I honestly don’t know where else to talk to about this.
So a longtime IRL friend (we’ve been friends since 7th grade) of mine who I still hang out with fairly frequentlyhas enmeshed himself in the online circle of aggrieved man-children surrounding “comicsgate” and the Right-ish shithead politics involved with it. He himself recently finished a graphic novel and is trying to raise money to get it independently published, which I suspect was how he got sucked into this.
Recently I noticed a rightward slant to a lot of his social media posts but it wasn’t until today when I took a closer look and saw that he’s been hobnobbing with a lot of alt-right adjacent type folks and actively arguing with “SJWs”. He’s always been an opinionated, stubborn bastard (as am I) but his opinions were usually relegated to things like comics and movies. Now he’s apparently following dudes like Stephen Crowder and tweeting recommendations for books by Ben Shapiro. BEN MOTHERFUCKING SHAPIRO. Ugh.
Maybe I’m a shitty friend but that’s kinda beyond the pale, no? I can’t expect everyone in my life to share my politics but some kind of baseline “don’t be a right-wing piece of shit” rule still applies, right?
It’s just heartbreaking because he’s not a jerk at all IRL. He’s always been a good friend and has helped me out and had my back numerous times. But in his online life he’s kinda turning into a real “why won’t you let me debate you, coward” sort of douche.
So far this hasn’t come up because these days we don’t really interact online much (and in fact it was only today I realized how far down the rabbit hole he’d gone). We get together to do pub trivia once a week and that’s usually our hang out time.
He’s aware of my political leanings but then again I’m not sure he understands why his newfound preoccupation with owning “SJWs” online would be alarming to me. I feel debating him would be fruitless. I’m too thin-skinned anyway. I dunno. This is such a bummer to me.
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 00:16 (two years ago) link
I think lightly sticking to the “that’s not really my experience, why do you say that?” soft peddling of dissent works if you’re trying to remain friends. Being involved in his non-political social life helps, because sometimes this shit is contrarian internet junk where dudes lack a really social outlet and decide the best way to do so is to get really angry and blow off steam, which is where these outrage merchants really dig in
If you do feel the need to call out, be cautious and stick to issues and not widespread anti-whatever stances. As much as those types like to complain about identity politics, they tend to stick all of their issues together and anyone challenging one piece is an affront to their adopted conservative identity.
― mh, Monday, 14 May 2018 00:25 (two years ago) link
Being involved in his non-political social life helps, because sometimes this shit is contrarian internet junk where dudes lack a really social outlet and decide the best way to do so is to get really angry and blow off steam, which is where these outrage merchants really dig in
Yeah he’s always been the type to adopt an opinion and be extremely, rigidly adamant about it and then later adopt a completely different opinion and act as if he’d always thought that way. Being his friend for almost 25 years I’m pretty used to that but this time his gripes and resentments are being reinforced by a whole community of fellow agry nerds with which he networks. It’s kind of terrifying, to be honest.
The only remotely “comforting” aspect of this whole business is that most of my friend’s bullshit is currently confined to the world of comics. Which is probably why I haven’t noticed it until now.
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 02:56 (two years ago) link
I suppose, to add a minor point to what mh has said, stick to the talking about the ideas/behaviours rather than making it personal ("that idea doesn't ring true to me" rather than "you're wrong and bad, and here's why")? Possibly implicit too, but I often find that approach works better than personalising things too much.
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Monday, 14 May 2018 06:35 (two years ago) link
I have this, though its a relative (in their 30s). Its been gradually increasing over the last few years, jordan peterson, ben shapiro, there are 37 genres now , snowflakes, virtue signalling, brexit, cultural marxism, jacob rees mogg, socialists. The own understanding or nuance isn't there, the straight repetition of right wing talking points.
What to do? the conclusion Ive come to, is...nothing. You have to look at yourself here, what is this debating you're imagining is going to happen. A debate is when two people accept the premise or framework of such. If you think you're going to go in their house and change their mind, it doesnt work like that. Any 'debate' should be initiated by them, not you, and only partake if they are asking you something, not if they are telling you something and putting a question mark on the end. Otherwise, you're being used by someone honing their opinion, you're fulfilling a role. The radicalized person never asks open questions.
But also you have to be honest with yourself - any kind of "yes, but dont you think that"....this is no good, for anyone!
I think when this happens you're dealing with something more existential than a debate really covers. 'Are you one of us, or not, anything else is just hot air'. I was once asked in email, by my relative, about my thoughts on the situation with Russia. I have a fairly detailed answer trying to cover as many bases as possible. Did it make any difference to anything? Ive no idea because there it was never mentioned again, it wasnt what they were looking for, they were looking for Britain good Russia bad - any detail on it, they saw as obsfucation, a dilution of the greater point. I will answer if they ask questions like this, and answer in good faith, but I wont push anything. Any such debate is framed around 'winning' (damn, all those videos on youtube where somebody is EVISCERATING or DESTROYING somebody else!)
I have a simple(ish) rule, if someone asks me openly or in good faith, I will respond the same. If someone talks at me, the best they'll get is "nah, not for me, dont see that at all", but they are more likely to get "ah, no idea, dunno owt about it mate". You don't have to be involved in statements masquerading as conversations!
― anvil, Monday, 14 May 2018 07:11 (two years ago) link
Sorry its a bit unfocussed, Ive had this on the go for a while! quite hard to condense thoughts on the fly
― anvil, Monday, 14 May 2018 07:24 (two years ago) link
One thing that struck me about this form of self-radicalization is how much its about repetition - simplification and repetition. For people making the mistake of engaging on some of these topics, its not about being on the right or wrong side of that topic, its about having that topic be the one with airtime, conversation time. A conversation about 'the BBC and the universities are brainwashing youth with cultural marxism, the police will come after you for using the wrong pronoun, Birmingham is now a no go city run by muslims". Really? This isn't a conversation that even deserves 'I don't see it like that", or any of my time! Its better to steer conversation elsewhere. Its better for this to be taking up less of their thought and talk time, and its certainly better for it to be taking up less of mine.
De-radicalizing people, i think is better achieved by getting them to think about some other damn things, engaging just hardens still further
(not saying your friend is or isnt radicalized, but when people talk and it sounds like their repeating the words of someone else, well)
― anvil, Monday, 14 May 2018 07:44 (two years ago) link
I'm not a good enough person to try to save anyone, I write off people who go beyond dipping their toes in the waters of Peterson/Shapiro/et al.. I struggle to be comfortably social with even 'mainstream' Republicans these days, the American conservative worldview is so aggressively reactionary and hateful - your average suburban GOP voter just hasn't progressed to saying the quiet part loud.
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 14 May 2018 08:06 (two years ago) link
sage stuff from anvil there
― imago, Monday, 14 May 2018 08:32 (two years ago) link
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Monday, 14 May 2018 09:00 (two years ago) link
also youre not his da, short answer
Repeating "I've never seen that" helps, as often it gets a "well, neither have I but" acknowledgement.
― Mark G, Monday, 14 May 2018 12:26 (two years ago) link
why not murder them
― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Monday, 14 May 2018 12:33 (two years ago) link
― The Beatles' Solo Deaths Poll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 May 2018 12:36 (two years ago) link
get over it. people have opinions. furthermore people are more than their media consumption habits and painting somebody as "infected" because of their media choices is some weird dehumanization Othering that shouldnt impact a real life friendship. OP says they are irl friends that hang out w this person once a week. you don't feel comfortable discussing political topics with them in real life, yet you will make a big post on the internet and talk about them with strangers? this passive aggressive signalling through media choices has poisoned YOUR mind as well.
if it's a person you care about irl then talk to them. if you can't stand their social media posts you can hide them. it is like a two click action. if you need everyone of your friends to subscribe to the same media you do then it would seem the friendship is secondary to your social media feed. get over yourself.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2018 13:30 (two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2018 13:31 (two years ago) link
being into comicsgate is not about "media preferences"
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 May 2018 13:33 (two years ago) link
To be honest, the main issue for me isn’t “can I change his mind?” That won’t happen. It’s more, “can I continue being friends with him?” If he stays confined to complaining about “SJWs” ruining the comics industry online, maybe, but if it devolves beyond that? I’m not sure it will, but I can’t tell anymore. It seems like a lot of seemingly sane people’s brains have been broken over the last few years.
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 13:41 (two years ago) link
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 13:43 (two years ago) link
Adam, your post is more than a little fucked. 'Dehumanization' and 'othering' is exactly what this shit is all about. It's informed by very thinly-veiled white supremacy, and that kind of reappropriation of the language of oppression is exactly what they use to paint themselves as victims. 'Victims' of people who just want to see their own perspectives represented in media which is overwhelmingly white and male and hetero. You don't get to champion a viewpoint like that and then brush it off with a 'but I'm a cool guy otherwise'.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 13:44 (two years ago) link
I wasn't even aware of comicsgate before this thread but of course there's a comicsgate, and of course it's in opposition to the exact comics and creators I would've expected. Expected but depressing as hell.
I dunno, man, no one can really tell you whether to remain friends with someone or not. Personally, I couldn't, but then I've never had trouble disconnecting myself from toxic people. The employment of 'SJW' as a pejorative is so pernicious because that particular utterance is several steps removed from what it's actually saying. You pooh-pooh the SJWs, which means you're against the social justice warriors, which tells me that you're against social justice, which in turn suggests you're for social injustice. And if you're a straight white dude, that tells me pretty much everything I need to know.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 13:49 (two years ago) link
Shunning and ostracization are underrated methods of letting people know that their antisocial (in the most literal sense) views/behavior are unacceptable, imo.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 13:51 (two years ago) link
I dunno, they seem pretty popular right now and I don't see them having much of an effect. Not that you need the effect to be clear, I don't think I could remain friends with a comicsgater either.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 May 2018 13:55 (two years ago) link
won't somebody save the alt-right from dehumanization and othering lmao
― Spiderman pointing at himself.img (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:00 (two years ago) link
Is comicsgate different than gamergate? I've cut off ties with most of my family because of their abhorrent views. I am not making small talk and sharing my life with them out of duty when they believe and say shitty things about women and other races. I put in my time trying to rationalize or have them try to restrain themselves. Out.
― Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:03 (two years ago) link
It’s basically Gamergate 2
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:05 (two years ago) link
From what I can tell, anyway
― Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:05 (two years ago) link
it is absolutely a personal decision to make. personally i have enough problems in my life and i don't need "friends" who are continually spewing toxic bullshit, whether it's openly or on a passive aggressive level. i'm not equivocating here, but i haven't found this to be a specifically right-wing problem. leftists who spend most of their time, in 2018, complaining about how terrible hillary clinton is will get the chopping block just as surely as anybody who uses the term "sjw" pejoratively will.
i've said it before and i'll keep saying it - when i cut people off it's not because i'm judging them as inferior. if anybody is "inferior" it's me, because i haven't got the energy to put up with that sort of thing anymore. i'm totally occupied with my own crazy, and don't have time for anybody else's.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:06 (two years ago) link
^^^ This too. I've had to put space between friends that I like but they spend all day texting me mundane complaints about shit everyone hates.
― Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:08 (two years ago) link
The Clintons are terrible tbf
― The Beatles' Solo Deaths Poll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:09 (two years ago) link
This thread has really great clusterfuck potential
― imago, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:13 (two years ago) link
completely baffled by adam's post. latebloomer, you have my sympathies, i don't know what exactly i'd do. i'm on a weekly bar trivia team as a device to regularly see a certain cluster of friends and shoot the shit about movies, and i really can't imagine it being an enjoyable or meaningful experience if below the surface was the awareness that one of them is carrying water for alt-right talking points as a way of blowing off steam online or whatever it is. that's not a person i want in my life. but the exact etiquette and approach of making that cut, i don't know. for me personally, if they were really committed to this stuff i couldn't stay friends (and probably, we would have drifted apart long ago for not having much in common). we've spent a lot of time talking about this w/ regard to right-wing family, but friends are a slightly different matter in a lot of ways...if it's not QUITE to that point... hrrrrrm. i imagine staging an intervention would only feed the "libs are out to shut us down" mentality, but is there some viable version of "hey, man, i noticed you've been expressing some intense feelings online, has everything been okay?" or maybe even a way around to discussing his emotional state/life situation without mentioning the political stuff --- you're not his therapist, but if you are his friend it is mayyyyybe conceivable that he's still early in being seduced by this stuff (or susceptible to it being a brief phase that he later looks back on with embarrassment). and that it might be genuinely useful to open up a channel to talk about whatever it is that's leading him to frustration and grievance and blaming-the-sjws. it depends what kind of friendship it is, how close you are, how much cred you have with him versus how much he feels the youtube mini-limbaughs really get him, how much work it's worth to you, all of that stuff.
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:15 (two years ago) link
I liked South Park's depiction of Kyle's dad staying up nights to troll online like it's his job while drinking red wine.
― Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:22 (two years ago) link
If you have a racist friend Now is the time, now is the timePeople have opinions. Get over it.
― type your stinkin prose off me, ur damned qwerty uiop (wins), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:25 (two years ago) link
I mean, wrt this particular sitch, I can hang with people who don't agree with me politically/philosophically/religiously/etc but there are certain uncrossable ideological lines and stanning for white supremacy is one of those. Maybe laying it out in terms of 'disagreement is fine, championing oppression is not' would be helpful?
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:28 (two years ago) link
Argh, this thread made me google comicsgate and now I hate knowing what it is. Tell your friend I blame him for that.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:31 (two years ago) link
pretty sure most of the people i drink with are some kind of right wing but it's not like we spend much time talking about politics except when they accuse me of being a Maoist
― The Beatles' Solo Deaths Poll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:32 (two years ago) link
and i agree with them and tell them they'll be up against the wall first
― The Beatles' Solo Deaths Poll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:33 (two years ago) link
Also, one possible tack to take wrt comics creators in particular is to discuss the reappropriation of Pepe the Frog. Ask him how he would feel about people hijacking his own work to express political opinions completely counter to his own. And how he feels about a professional like Van Sciver in particular doing just that. Even divorced of the political implications, it's hugely disrespectful and unprofessional.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 14:33 (two years ago) link
Oh man, I just read up on comicsgate too. This shit is so unbelievably stupid.
― Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:52 (two years ago) link
― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:58 (two years ago) link
I think the thing these trolling dipshits don't get is that you don't get to claim "oh, I'm actually a nice guy in person, I'm just trolling" when 100% of your public persona is racist, sexist, garbage
if you genuinely believe the problem is that it's the "wrong people" getting work or acclaim based only on their ethnicity, gender, or views... then spend your time advocating for people you think are talented and help them find an audience
latebloomer, has your friend published anything before? there genuinely are some barriers to entry if you're not established, but I don't think any of them have to do with being a white man. I knew some people who genuinely tried to break into mainstream comics a number of years ago, and none of the reasons they failed to get a strong foothold had anything to do with this comicsgate horseshit.
― mh, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:18 (two years ago) link
Not to get too off track but was a picture of a bunch of young women enjoying milkshakes really a catalyst?
― Nhex, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:44 (two years ago) link
women can't be employed in a coveted field, happy, and pictured together. it just drives dudes completely insane
― mh, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:47 (two years ago) link
I also didn't know about Comicsgate (or I knew, but about the one a few years ago around "hey guys maybe don't put traced porn shots on comic covers") - the article here makes the point that it doesn't even have the figleaf of ethics in games journalism, it's literally just "we fear the rise of women and brown people"
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:47 (two years ago) link
I am not sure if laughing is the right response to idiotic claims, but I snorted when I saw this gem from one of these comicsgate turds
good lord pic.twitter.com/S2aY5Fcnwg— BAKOON (@BAKKOOONN) May 14, 2018
― mh, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:56 (two years ago) link
I think the ongoing collapse of legitimacy of liberal institutions, increasingly anxiety producing omnipresence of (social)media, increasing forgetfulness of 20th century totalitarianisms (and hence the taboos around them) and finally ambient stress from environmental collapse all push ideological identification closer to the Cult mindset than it's ever been since the 40s. Or at the very least the melding of Cult tendencies familiar from the mid-century with political discourse seems like a natural evolution of the form. Hence, you should take your cues from this guy:
― ryan, Monday, 14 May 2018 16:06 (two years ago) link
All nerd media needs to morph into a wall-to-wall multicultural pansexual orgy until all the chuds are stricken with massive rage aneurysms, at which time we can return to business as usual.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 16:08 (two years ago) link
xpost Yes, I feel like deprogramming techniques are probably going to be an increasingly-useful tool to have in one's belt, sadly.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 May 2018 16:09 (two years ago) link
There's something here in the role of individualism vs communality, which is a by-product of our Western societies rather than any particular personal failings. We're prone to focusing on the character or morals of a particular person in and of themselves and our relationship to them more so than in terms of community, something that seems somewhat Protestant - a focus on the moral rather than the pragmatic.
This isn't to say walking away in any given scenario is the wrong thing to do! But in many cases this isn't always possible (although admittedly less so in atomized situations), we don't always have the ability to do this, and pragmatism comes first, even if not by choice.
― anvil, Monday, 6 July 2020 00:54 (three months ago) link
yeah, a friend used to be into a conspiracy podcast and I enjoyed listening to it for the way out ones which sounded like a dramatisation of a Philip K Dick story, these new ones are just boring and racist.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium
― Frobisher, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 16:09 (two months ago) link
disagree, racism is fundamental to the nature of conspiracy theories, even the "way out" ones. i've seen francis e. dec's rants.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link
I dunno, the folks over at the Portuguese UFO sightseeing group on FB I'm on seem to be pretty kumayaba in their hopes of alien intelligence helping us all ascend to higher states of being.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 18:20 (two months ago) link
that feels less conspiracy theory and more gonzo paranormal stanning
― imago, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 18:22 (two months ago) link
yeah simply saying "there are ufos" isn't a conspiracy per se. a conspiracy theory, to me, consists of a to-the-believer obvious truth that would be universally known and acknowledged if not for the malicious intervention of Them. (note that some conspiracy theories do turn out to be true!)
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:17 (two months ago) link
conspiracy theory today is almost always based on a protocols of zion model regardless of who the conspirators are claimed to be so it's always racist as well as a drain on actual resistance to the status quo
the new agey crystal side of this stuff is far from immune from this
― Your original display name will be displayed in brackets (Left), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:05 (two months ago) link
the conspiracy theories I enjoyed hearing about were either some sort of aliens, "we are in a collective dream" or ancient Egyptian mystical things, basically not fitting the definition as you're giving it at all, Kate. all the same it was clearly labelled as a conspiracy theory podcast. Even some of the stuff which would fit the description blamed everything on George W Bush, this was not long after 9/11 and they had ridiculous ideas about him being some sort of genius, that always seemed more ludicrous than the alien stuff. I did hear some antisemitic stuff on there from time to time, but they would be embarrassed and try to move on from it, very much unlike now.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:49 (two months ago) link
i saw someone on twitter say they thought conspiracy theories were basically a subconscious transference of a wound inflicted by the ancestors/culture/inheritance of the believers, or the believers themselves. they linked to an article comparing alien abduction narratives to disappearances of native americans. i think there's probably some truth to that idea. e.g. 5g conspiracy theorists transferring the negative social effects of the internet. i'm thinking of an acquaintance who is a 5g conspiracy theorist and also an airbnb host as his primary source of income.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 13 August 2020 00:16 (two months ago) link
heh I like that
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 August 2020 00:21 (two months ago) link
Left and Kate otm. The Venn between 'crystal New Age hippies' and 'racist conspiracy quacksalvers' is quite large. I lived in Mt. Shasta and worked at the organic grocery store in town, and let me tell you some stories about that experience....
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 01:22 (two months ago) link
Table I have family in Mt. Shasta and this is (some of) them...! Not racist maybe but chem-trailers/Loose-changers How long ago did you live there? I wonder if you ran into my cousin at that store.
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 August 2020 02:17 (two months ago) link
Hadrian, I lived in the area from September 2015- August 2016, first in Weed and then in McCloud. Worked at ye olde Berryvale from December 2015 til a few days before I left.
I actually really love a lot of people whom I worked with and in that area generally, but the wingnut factor was really high.
There were Trump supporters in 2016 who also believed in magic fairies that lived in dew coming and blessing their blankets at night. They'd explain all this and then literally yell at people speaking Spanish in the store cafe. It was shocking and insane.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 14:53 (two months ago) link
Also the reactions when Prince died on one of my shifts was 'who?'
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 14:54 (two months ago) link
my 40 year-old cousin took us to a crystal shop that sold chai. He talked to me and my daughter for a while about the Lemurians or whatever that live inside the mountain, then on the walk back to my aunt's house he threatened a passing stranger that he would break his kneecap with a "socket wrench." Cool place.
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:05 (two months ago) link
It was while living in that area that we started living with a loaded shotgun next to the bed, so yeah, I get the vibe.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:08 (two months ago) link
when Prince died on one of my shifts
― kinder, Thursday, 13 August 2020 16:22 (two months ago) link
Lol yeah, I read that after posting it and realized it was a bit off.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 16:30 (two months ago) link
I enjoyed going up there occasionally to escape Redding's heat, but I couldn't have lived there without biting my lips off.
― Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Thursday, 13 August 2020 16:31 (two months ago) link
I also lived in Los Molinos and Chico for a spell..I'd take the Shasta area over that bullshit anytime.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link
Like at least the Shasta area is pretty.
― Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Thursday, 13 August 2020 17:08 (two months ago) link
_when Prince died on one of my shifts_Sorry but this made me lol... sounds like bagging groceries is what did for poor old Prince
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:35 (two months ago) link
― vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:15 (two months ago) link
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:35 (two months ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:49 (two months ago) link
I'm mad that that is funny
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:11 (two months ago) link
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:11 (two months ago) link
irl lol at Dan's infuriation
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2020 20:16 (two months ago) link
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 14 August 2020 09:16 (two months ago) link
The Onion never misses. pic.twitter.com/87P4rtdpqe— sadvil 😎 (@sadvil) August 14, 2020
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 August 2020 08:54 (two months ago) link
A friend of mine posted something innocuous like 'Great Michelle Obama speech' on FB last night and one of his friends, whom I don't know, replied 'Don't you mean Michael Obama?' Turns out there's some conspiracy theory that Michelle was born male, is a beard for gay Barack, and something to do with Joan Rivers' death. Is this some QAnon shit, because these people are too stupid to live.
― Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:20 (two months ago) link
yes and yes
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:25 (two months ago) link
Jealous that it took so long for this heinous shit to reach your ears, Dan. It's been around for ages (your description is missing a 'Muslim' or two, though).
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:27 (two months ago) link
Trump is popular with black voters because although they hate him they hate crime more. He is also going to legalize marijuana
― anvil, Friday, 25 September 2020 04:15 (four weeks ago) link
lauren southern dated the biggest loser on the planet pic.twitter.com/SeGs5lMWLM— raandy (@randygdub) October 16, 2020
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 16 October 2020 23:17 (one week ago) link
sounds like bullshit, potatoes are from North America
― mh, Saturday, 17 October 2020 00:47 (six days ago) link
Pedantic alert: potatoes from which contemporary potatoes derive are from southern chile iirc
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 17 October 2020 04:35 (six days ago) link
correct, I meant to type “the americas” and had a brain failure
― mh, Saturday, 17 October 2020 15:17 (six days ago) link
My French FIL has now reached the point where he still doesn't like Trump BUT you gotta admit that he made the right call regarding the pandemic, which is all a ploy by big Pharma to get us all inoculated with fake antibodies that are simultaneously useless and a health hazard. It's literally a cult and my wife has almost completely stopped communicating with him, which is depressing as fuck.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:28 (five days ago) link
but trump was all over the experimental drugs in hospital. was that not big pharma?
― koogs, Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:48 (five days ago) link
― pomenitul, Sunday, 18 October 2020 14:51 (five days ago) link
But there’s almost quarter of a million Americans dead???
― seumas milm (gyac), Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:03 (five days ago) link
someone hasn’t heard of crisis actors
― Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:05 (five days ago) link
He hasn't gone that far – yet. For now it's more like 'people die of stuff all the time, you see, there's nothing unusual about this'.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:08 (five days ago) link
flu kills a lot of people too, etc
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 18 October 2020 17:05 (five days ago) link
and yet the police are never happy when I make that argument about all the people I killed...
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 18 October 2020 18:08 (five days ago) link
What drives me up the wall too is that he spoke of Trump's 'attitude saine' ('healthy/sane attitude') towards covid, which sounds like pure trolling yet isn't – he buys into this shit hook, line and sinker. And the whole 'sheeple' thing ('vous [my wife and I] n'êtes que des moutons') makes it even dumber and more predictable. All of this coming from a man who is otherwise intelligent and educated and who has been unwavering in his commitment to the left since his youth. Bah (aka baaaa, amirite?).
― pomenitul, Sunday, 18 October 2020 18:18 (five days ago) link
And the whole 'sheeple' thing ('vous [my wife and I] n'êtes que des moutons') makes it even dumber and more predictable. All of this coming from a man who is otherwise intelligent and educated and who has been unwavering in his commitment to the left since his youth.
If I can take a crack at this, I think of it as something along the lines of 'Covid policy has lead to increased inequality and wealth concentration, its a real thing but is it as dangerous as we originally thought? Tons of people die anyway just looking at raw figures doesnt tell whole story. People's willingness to go along and accept the above including expanded police powers to enforce that they might not give up is fairly docile'
I think you can construct something like the above without going anywhere near right wing territory (one for the left wing worm thread?)
― anvil, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:11 (three days ago) link
That's a very charitable reading, but then again, I forgot to mention that he's a complete luddite and the pandemic is also an excuse for him to flex his hypochondriac muscles. It's a perfect storm of things he finds terrifying and which he (deliberately) makes no effort whatsoever to comprehend: the state, medicine and technology. When push comes to shove, he's really just an aged hippy who was too much of a wuss in his late teens/early 20s to hop on that train wholesale and who is now striving to make up for it before it's too late. And yeah, this isn't quite the right thread for him – Trump's supposedly 'sane approach' is what threw me over the edge when pondering where to post this.
One more thing: he's been living alone for decades now and has recently become closer to one of his brothers, who is the Real Deal: a certified chemtrails/UFO/séance/anti-vaxxer/survivalist/antisemite/covidiot/truther (and I'm probably forgetting lots), so I suspect that this radical turn towards increasingly more batshit ideas is partly due to crazy bro's influence. Tbh that whole part of the family is just messed up – there are a lot of underlying psychiatric issues that I won't get into but whose causes are mostly known to me, so that's always at the back of my mind when I'm interacting with him.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:30 (three days ago) link