Golden State Killer (East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker)

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truly crazy story

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:18 (two years ago) link

I saw this case in an old episode of "Unsolved Mysteries" and the rendition frightened the hell out of me. DISHES.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:21 (two years ago) link

Holy shit. I don't listen to the My Favorite Murder podcast anymore, but this was one of the stories from the first episode.

how's life, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:22 (two years ago) link

pretty great this psycho has been apprehended. he just had to be a cop.

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

Anyone who is interested in full details of the backstory check out Michelle McNamaras book, but also DEF listen to the 5-part series Casefile podcast did. It’s terrifying & excellently, thoroughly researched - no lols, just facts & interviews

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

wow! sad michelle mcnamara didn't get to see this day.

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

it really is

it seems there really was a link between Visalia Ransacker & Golden State Killer after all - he was a cop in Visalia at the time of those attacks

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:33 (two years ago) link

the Casefile series freaked me out so bad

i thought i knew a lot but then the survivor interviews & the creeeeeeeepy phonecalls he made over the years & just the relentless endless barrage of rape after rape after rape
- and then the escalation & murders in SoCal

it’s a truly horrifying spree

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:37 (two years ago) link

kind of relieved it's not my FIL (only half joking)

brimstead, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:56 (two years ago) link

when i found out about this case, it was terrifying. the idea that this guy was still out there. and how he was seemingly forgotten and overshadowed by--for lack of a better term--more glamorized killers like Ramirez and the Hillside Stranglers.

omar little, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:58 (two years ago) link

well they were caught, is the thing

Number None, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:17 (two years ago) link

Zodiac is a better comparison there

Number None, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:18 (two years ago) link

yeah was gonna mention Zodiac, this guy didn't have a "hook" unlike Z but i'm still kinda surprised he was forgotten for so long.

omar little, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:21 (two years ago) link

True Crime Garage did a really good three-part series on EAR/ONES

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:47 (two years ago) link

I remember reading Michelle's blog years before I knew of the Patton connection, the New Yorker article, etc. I just started the book a couple days ago and I've completely fallen out of my tree.

I lived in south OC when the murders happened in Irvine and everyone was freaked out.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 April 2018 01:30 (two years ago) link

The duration of the attacks is the one of the many details that shook me when I first learned of them - he’d be in those houses for two or three hours! I cant imagine the kind of trauma that causes

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 02:07 (two years ago) link

much like BTK it shows that these guys are increasingly less likely to get away with it, even if they've been inactive for decades (though with BTK of course he was done in by his own stupidity and hubris.)

i don't think Zodiac will ever be caught though.

omar little, Thursday, 26 April 2018 02:25 (two years ago) link

I agree. But Zodiac is, much as I hate the overused word, an “outlier”. It’s bizarre & fragmented & weirdly complicated AND it was publicized terribly & despite great detectives in a couple of counties, the officials handling it really made it worse by bungling details ... I personally think what we think of as “The Zodiac” is a dead-end and prob more than one perpetrator.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 02:39 (two years ago) link

VegGrrl, is there a good book you'd recommend on the Zodiac? I know the basic outline of the case but I'd be interested in reading more.

ian, Thursday, 26 April 2018 02:54 (two years ago) link

The RobertGraysmith book is a good place to start. Bear in mind he is a loon, theory-wise, so take that aspect with all the grains of salt. but his closeness to the events & the players, and being in the mix WHEN it happened makes a compelling story. And imo his obsession, though extreme, is something that is not uncommon to many of the ppl involved. It gets into your blood!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 03:16 (two years ago) link

back to Golden State Killer

did anyone watch the press conference today? lot of backpatting as expected but some interesting moments

particularly taken in by Alameda Co’s DA Nancy O’Malley, who talked abt working at a rape crisis center in 77 and counselling some of the survivors, and coming full circle to his capture today. Amazing stuff.

And SoCal victim’s brother/advocate Bruce Harrington took an interesting left turn when he launched into his personal vendetta against the Public Safety Board. Officials in the background looked kiiiiiiinda uncomfortable lol

Sherriff flat out said McNamara’s book had little to no impact on their investigation. Which I kind of understand but at the same time it felt a little wounding/dismissive

Also: shout out to one of the original investigators in Sacramento, Carol Daly: good reaction interview today from her here:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209806744.html

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 04:34 (two years ago) link

And a bit more background on the suspect here:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209823959.html

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 04:40 (two years ago) link

He lived with a daughter and granddaughter until his arrest Tuesday.

whoa

sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 05:10 (two years ago) link

yep

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 05:21 (two years ago) link

Also, the cops will NEVER and HAVE NEVER credited a writer or journalist for helping them solve a case. But every time they said #GoldenStateKiller they credited the work of #MichelleMcNamara and #IllBeGoneInTheDark.

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) April 25, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 05:40 (two years ago) link

sorry for shitposting

one last O_O piece of info

While an Exeter cop, he was part of the burglary prevention team - while moonlighting as the Visalia Ransacker. |

Unfuckingbelievable. pic.twitter.com/sLLilUtY7m

— Jesse P. Pollack (@jpollackauthor) April 25, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 05:57 (two years ago) link

"Sherriff flat out said McNamara’s book had little to no impact on their investigation. Which I kind of understand but at the same time it felt a little wounding/dismissive "

This was a total cunt move. I mean she was working with all these people while investigating it.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:26 (two years ago) link

The more I think about his MO the more I'm just so baffled at how he didnt get caught at the time. I mean committing the acts in the persons home, other witnesses in the home, all the rape victims were witnesses, the phone calls, spending so much time in the houses, making himself food in the house etc And how did noone see him breaking into houses?

I know they didnt have DNA etc back then but WOW.Luck was definitely on his side to some degree. I'm sure being a cop for the EAR probably helped too. Can't wait to see if any recollections of his time as a cop from other cops he worked with come out.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:32 (two years ago) link

Also, is there any more info on what went down with him and Bonnie? I know they were engaged but I dont think they ever got married.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:33 (two years ago) link

Thank you VG for the Casefile tip, it’s very well made and the story is completely terrifying.

sciatica, Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:33 (two years ago) link

It’s crazy that while investigating the rapes the cops find other guys stalking women, following them, getting their personal info from license plates etc, and there’s nothing they can do about it without having anti stalking laws in place at the time.

sciatica, Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:47 (two years ago) link

My Favorite Murder has a podcast up on the arrest. Yaaaaay!!!!

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 April 2018 17:34 (two years ago) link

I think a lot of things he did were deliberate misdirects so it was easy for him to put investigators on other tracks

plus he had extensive military training & active policing experience

ie he knows exactly how to a) burglar-proof a home AND b) burglarize a home

Coming & going would be no concern with his military & police background, since he knows what people look for when reporting suspicious behavior

he wasnt using main thoroughfares & if he used an automobile he changed it every time

Even the belongings & notes he left behind may have easily been stolen from elsewhere or just random shit he used to throw them off

police didnt do a bad job; they just didnt have the tools at the time to look for one of their own imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:03 (two years ago) link

It's a remarkable apprehension. He's sort of the opposite of Ted Bundy: he went about his ways in complete discretion for all these years. Quite a feat, both from him and from the police to catch him.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 26 April 2018 19:12 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah it was definitely the time but even so you’d think if they’d done some DNA testing when it viable they could have caught him some 20 years ago.

Veg I’m super interested in your opinion as to whether he was mr cruel.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:32 (two years ago) link

i highly doubt it. seems like wishful thinking to me, imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 20:59 (two years ago) link

there’s def similarities but the international aspect just seems like such a long shot idk

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2018 21:01 (two years ago) link

I saw something about how he’s lived in the same neighborhood for 30+ yrs so wouldn’t that disqualify him from the mr cruel murders? I can’t remember the exact timeline

just1n3, Thursday, 26 April 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209913514.html

The effort was part of a painstaking process that began by using DNA from one of the crime scenes from years ago and comparing it to genetic profiles available online through various websites that cater to individuals wanting to know more about their family backgrounds by accepting DNA samples from them, said Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Grippi.

Don't even know what to think about this.

ryan, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:00 (two years ago) link

if you're going to be a serial killer dissuade your relatives from doing 23 and me?

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:11 (two years ago) link

Or if you were a serial killer already, kill all your relatives before they do a 23 and me.

how's life, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link

xxxp that is fucking spooky

sleeve, Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:44 (two years ago) link

Yeah, came here to post this:

this is ABSOLUTELY bonkers. it *seems* like investigators made a profile for DeAngelo on genealogy websites using old DNA evidence, then matched relatives to him, etc. i'm extremely glad he's been caught but this is a dystopian nightmarehttps://t.co/9bge8cOh1c pic.twitter.com/68PJDWIJjy

— Sarah Emerson (@SarahNEmerson) April 26, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:51 (two years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, April 26, 2018 3:20 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

12andMe https://t.co/gmrLomRowa

— Zachary Fox (@zackfox) April 26, 2018

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:53 (two years ago) link

i would generally recommend people not to give companies - e.g. Facebook - their data. this goes double for your genetic data

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 26 April 2018 22:54 (two years ago) link

many x-posts: while never a resident, i can totally see someone like this getting away with breaking into houses and doing all this heinous shit in Sacramento. it is a very "suburban"-feeling city.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 27 April 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

yeah there is a lot of sprawl

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 April 2018 01:21 (two years ago) link

I wish the actual investigators got their moment in the sun at the press conference yesterday; there are so many that deserve acknowledgement

Nice piece about Contra Costa investigator Paul Holes here
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/26/retired-cold-case-investigator-tracked-the-golden-state-killer-to-his-door/amp/

And one on Richard Shelby, the Sacramento detective who partnered with Carol Daly (mentioned upthread) in the beginning:
http://www.abc10.com/mobile/article/news/local/from-east-area-rapist-to-golden-state-killer-early-years-of-the-investigation/103-545872204

The thing with these types of cold cases that I respect is the investigating officers that carry these cases with them decades later. Every detail burned in their brain, their commitment, it’s really moving. I think for all the heartache & frustrations the families have been through, there’s has to be a small amount pf comfort knowing that there’s ppl like that who still care, who are going into bat for you & your loved ones well into retirement.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 April 2018 02:03 (two years ago) link

Whenever they catch one of these psychos I’m ecstatic. I was over the moon when they caught the Brown’s Chicken massacre perps a decade later.

omar little, Friday, 27 April 2018 02:11 (two years ago) link

I am kinda hoping this raises the profile of cold case investigation even more & perhaps throw more funding/ppl behind it

And/or push the effort to test more rape kits

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 April 2018 02:14 (two years ago) link

many x-posts: while never a resident, i can totally see someone like this getting away with breaking into houses and doing all this heinous shit in Sacramento. it is a very "suburban"-feeling city.

"Fun fact: Sacramento has seen over a dozen serial killers and hosts 15% of the nation’s serial murderers. (Great Job River City!)"
https://jamesletoile.com/2017/04/06/is-sacramento-a-serial-killer-friendly-place/

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 27 April 2018 08:26 (two years ago) link

My new boss told me yesterday that she lives a block away from his house in Citrus Heights ! she’s lived the neighborhood since she was a girl. She was travelling on the East Ciast during the week & freaked OUT when she heard where he lived.

Also I read a detail today I hadnt heard.
He used to call random victims years after the attacks. The most recent call he made was *2001*. To me it’s the gross, malignant cherry on top of an already heinous sundae.

I have been thinking about this a lot: the balance sheet of the long-range emotional, psychological effects on all of his victims. Marriage breakups, job loss, insomnia, addictions, trauma. So much pain!
All of those people suddenly dont get to live normal lives. Why? Because this unbalanced, hateful, vindictive, sadistic dude decided they dont. It’s the most infuriating thing to me, in all of true crime but especially this case. He didnt leave just a trail of wreckage, he scorched the earth. He took something from these women & these families, AND he took lives and he kept doing it over and over.
And he tormented them after the fact.

I dont fucking care about Bonnie or what happened. I kind of dont even care why he did any of it. What I care about is the survivors. Their quality of life is important. Their stories are the stories I want to hear. They can’t be made whole but in my ideal fantasy world they should collectively stand up and rob him of the spotlight. Take him off the headlines finally and tell everyone your names. And let him be forever ignored & made small & rot in ignominy.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:22 (two years ago) link

* To claify: I knew he had called victims after the fact but I didnt know he had done it so recently.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:23 (two years ago) link

I’m reading I’ll Be Gone In The Dark now and it’s striking that some of the victims and some of the investigators thought he was a cop and ex-military at the time. Given that DeAngelo was both, was clearly very odd and lived minutes away from the largest cluster of crime scenes it’ll be interesting to find out how far back he was on their radar.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:30 (two years ago) link

He wasn’t at all! That’s one of the surprising elements

It was the familial DNA match on the genealogy website that led them to him afaik

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 April 2018 19:37 (two years ago) link

plus he lived a good 45 minutes away from the Sacramento attacks, WAY up in the foothills in a different county

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 April 2018 19:39 (two years ago) link

that's interesting and also differentiates him from someone like BTK who iirc stuck to Wichita and also killed someone who lived within a block or two of his own home.

omar little, Saturday, 28 April 2018 20:25 (two years ago) link

i mean obviously this guy was an extremely calculated and cold and cautious guy, even moreso than Rader, who was also very controlled but made a couple errors and had lapses in judgement w/r/t his own escaping the law.

omar little, Saturday, 28 April 2018 20:26 (two years ago) link

interesting science-angle article on the methods used to snag the GSK

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/golden-state-killer-suspect-dna-genetics-genealogy

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 03:58 (two years ago) link

“Scary.” That’s the boat’s name in suspected #EastAreaRapist Joe DeAngelo’s driveway. Great eye by @mikel394 who caught this little detail. pic.twitter.com/1Cl8laNlqR

— stevelarge (@largesteven) April 27, 2018

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 30 April 2018 05:46 (two years ago) link

VG the Casefile True Crime podcast is spooky as fuck. I listened to the first in the EAR series last night and finished it. The anonymous Australian guy does an exceptionally good job with the methodical coverage of his entire crime spree. And in hindsight of course it makes perfect sense now that he was a cop, and it's amazing how early on many people suspected that he might be.

then after I finished listening to it, a bignmoth in the bedroom started banging against the window trying to get outside and after being like...

https://i.imgur.com/HV31cHD.gif

...for a minute I captured it and took it outside at 1 AM, on my very quiet L.A. side street, which has seen a rash of break-ins and street robberies lately. I expected to see a guy on the front porch wearing a mask.

omar little, Monday, 30 April 2018 16:38 (two years ago) link

yeah one night i was in bed asleep & the floor creaked outside our bedroom door & the door handle turned & i sat bolt upright in bed about to scream but it was just Mr Veg coming to bed

i was like that for weeks after listening to Casefile

we drive around Carmichael a fair bit for shopping & whenever I see the canals now I wig just little thinking about how he was coming & going so readily. they’re quite inconspicuous, too if you’re just driving around, you kinda have to know they’re there to notice them.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 18:02 (two years ago) link

plus he lived a good 45 minutes away from the Sacramento attacks, WAY up in the foothills in a different county

Aha! McNamara mentions that investigators thought he might be tied to somewhere close to Rancho Cordova as he kept attacking there but my geography is terrible. As you say, he apparently only registered as a suspect three weeks ago!

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 30 April 2018 20:12 (two years ago) link

xp after listening to that last night i'm even more aware of how safe the place we live in is, it's a duplex with the three sides visible to the street (since we live at a corner) and the bedrooms are the second floor, accessible just by the one creaky stairwell. it sounds perhaps creepy but it's not very welcoming to intruders. i'm more creeped out by where i grew up, in a town of 1200 people, with homes backed up to random clusters of gnarled trees and half a block from a lake.

omar little, Monday, 30 April 2018 20:38 (two years ago) link

we all need moats & archers w flaming arrows imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 21:11 (two years ago) link

i would be freaked out to live in a whole house or ground floor apartment. I'm too paranoid. I lived in a ground floor apartment for a couple of years a while back and twice caught dudes scoping out the joint late at night - me being a night owl and at the time working irregularly or being unemployed id usually be up till 4 or 5 am -thankfully. Woman that lived next door with her partner once was home alone and woke up to a guy trying to force open her bedroom window, he was scared off by her screams, which I, sleeping in the room directly through the wall from her slept through.

Daniel Johns Hopkins (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 April 2018 21:18 (two years ago) link

and i live in a reasonably bougie part of a safe city

Daniel Johns Hopkins (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 April 2018 21:19 (two years ago) link

we had a run of homeless ppl sleeping on our porch when we first moved in but they were just looking for shelter & we didnt chase them off or anything

our neighborhood is thought of as kinda sketchy but we havent really seen or heard of any breakins or anything and we’ve been there 13 years now

only thing that wigged me out was when we got our deadbolt replaced a few years ago & the locksmith pointed out the marks on it from where someone had tried to force it O_O

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

^^^ That's like finding a bloody hook on your car door handle.

nickn, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:34 (two years ago) link

no kidding

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:35 (two years ago) link

many more of these to come i’d wager

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/us/cold-case-possible-link-to-golden-state-killer/index.html

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:35 (two years ago) link

our neighborhood is sketchy-adjacent, but it's pretty benign. it's stuff like...

...the neighbors up the street (with two kids) found a transient climbing in their window at 2 AM. one of them saw him the next morning walking down the street and he apologized, "I thought the house was empty, was just looking for a place to take a shower." O_O

and once i almost went outside to catch someone stealing our neighbor's car but there were five dudes involved in the theft, probably a good thing i didn't (actually didn't know it was a car theft til the next morning.)

there was in fact a random unsolved shooting of someone in their car a few years ago on New Year's Eve, one block down the street. a total cold case, and no one ever talks about it.

omar little, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:38 (two years ago) link

also unrelated but the current cold case that I find most sinister is the decapitation murder of a young dude in Ashland Oregon a few years ago, walking back from work in the early evening down a well-trafficked park path, someone ambushed him and cut his head off. zero leads. the park is very close to I-5, so who the hell knows.

omar little, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:41 (two years ago) link

This is why I love living in a cul de sac of solely two storey, side by side, duplexes. We actually see cops on our street a lot bc it’s - like Omar - sketchy-adjacent. But I’ve never felt safer.

just1n3, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:51 (two years ago) link

Is this the casefile everyone recommends (I've never listened to one of these before)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awgZSR7ao6c

I had a house in Brooklyn and I think the main thing that kept people away (we had random dents appear in the doors, awnings and window ac units) was that we had a fairly large dog (boxer). And I had a sublet once and 4 apartments were broken into within 2 weeks (we think it was someone who lived in the building, only 8 units) and again I am sure my dog kept people away. But I still keep a heavy magnum flashlight by my bed

Yerac, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 20:41 (two years ago) link

Ok, nevermind that totally was not the right podcast. I have the right one now.

Yerac, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 20:46 (two years ago) link

Set yr DVR’s if you are so inclined

This is it guys. Tonight. #GoldenStateKiller #earons #EastAreaRapist #originalnightstalker https://t.co/C12EVIAXe4

— Jennifer Carole ❄️ (@jcarole) May 4, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 May 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

20/20 special was a decent overview. Love seeing Carol Daly & Paul Holes on camera.

The show talked to his former police chief in Auburn & some eyeopeners there: apparently D’Angelo had cased the chiefs house after he was fired., but couldnt find the bedroom & left.
AND. A short time after D’Angelo was fired the chief’s *daughter* told him one morning that a man had been looking in her bedroom window with a flashlight the night before. But at the time the chief never suspected DAngelo.

Creepy-shivers.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:02 (two years ago) link

Not surprising news but worth sharing anyway

Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, has been charged with four more counts of first-degree murder, Santa Barbara County District Attorney Joyce Dudley said https://t.co/VbMd5yPXAi

— CNN (@CNN) May 11, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 May 2018 02:30 (two years ago) link

Interesting piece at LGM from a pseudonymous contributor about the failures of various LE jurisdictions to consider whether EAR/ONS might have been a cop or former cop: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/05/east-area-rapist-identified-suspect-1980

Westworld more like Worstworld right? (Phil D.), Friday, 11 May 2018 13:58 (two years ago) link

Interesting read!!! Thx Phil. it def raises a good point that i’d like to see addressed by the players when the dust settles. I do really want to see some analysis on where they went wrong investigatively, because it seems they latched onto some ideas p early that carved them into a deeper path than it should have.

However, I do have some misgivings abt publishing this under a pen name, it just seems kinda cowardly. Also imo “Chip” isn’t bringing a whole lot of analysis to bear other than WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE FIGURED IT OUT. idk. The smug monday morning qb, “expert from The Internet” aspect doesn’t sit great with me.

It’s a good read all the same, tho.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 May 2018 03:13 (two years ago) link

I think the thing with cases like these is this type of killer almost becomes a wraith and minor IRL red flags don’t rise to the level of “this guy is a serial killer type” until after the fact.

With a couple of the long-unsolved horrific murders in my area growing up, the killers wound up being pretty banal regular type creeps rather than major red flag types (though one major red flag did one of them in: bragging about killing 7 people in one go to his GF and threatening her to keep quiet, til she spilled the beans ten years later to her new BF, who wisely told her to tell the police asap.) Kinda like BTK, in hindsight he was a creepy guy. At the time, he was just a regular total stern asshole.

I mean there’s really no way to tell, if leads have grown cold. We can pretend they should have seen something and I’m sure mistakes were made but to catch one of these guys, when they’re extremely careful and one step ahead of the cops...forget it.

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2018 04:55 (two years ago) link

Yeah. That’s my feeling, ultimately.

It’s trite, but the truth is it’s really fucking hard to catch someone who goes to such extreme lengths not to be caught

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 May 2018 05:21 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Arrest warrant docs were released today

Full (redacted) files linked here

Okay here's the 1 stop shop for search & arrest warrants in #GoldenStateKiller #EastAreaRapist court proceedings of suspect #JosephDeAngelo https://t.co/UXpbL8Fctp & https://t.co/e9n2ARQQUo

— Criminology Podcast (@CriminologyPod) June 1, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 03:20 (two years ago) link

wow a ton of stuff is redacted in those...that I assume is already available elsewhere. anyway, interesting reading.

I dn't know if I said this upthread but I lived in sacramento when this was happening, but I was awfully young. I just looked at the map and most of the Carmichael attacks were literally 10 minutes from our home (we were right off Mission near El Camino high school). We moved out of Sacramento in 1980 and I do remember that my parents noted increased violence in the area as being on eo fthe reasons (a boy was shot to death in his driveway right around the corner from us, and no one ever knew what happened there. he was the son of the people who ran a super market on Mission and he worked there; was well liked and had no known enemies). I also remember there being some terror one day when a burgler ran and hid on our driveway out front. Makes me wonder now. Though oddly I later remember my mother talking about the Night Stalker I assumed she meant Richard Ramierez but she must have been talking about this. Guess I should call her.

akm, Saturday, 2 June 2018 15:52 (two years ago) link

I was listening to an interview with Jane Carson-Sandler, the 5th victim. She was attacked at 6:30am, the woman whose 3yo had just crawled into bed with her.

I’ve read her story a few times but it suddenly struck me the cold calculatedness of attacking in the early morning. No cover of darkness but with ppl starting to go to work etc you’re less suspicious being a body moving around in a suburban neighborhood.

idk it just really stuck out to me.

Also: saw some criticism on twitter of McNamara’s book from Michelle Cruz, sister of Janelle Cruz, the last known victim. Michelle is displeased by how McNamara portrayed her sister in the book & said that McNamara did not talk to her. She hasn’t spoken at length so idk full details. But another victim, Jennifer Carole also seems to have raised the inaccuracies with the co-authors after a recent event. Families of victims def have a very unique & somewhat fragile ecosystem of their own so I’m not surprised by the criticism but still, interesting to see.

First page: she did not tell her friend she was lonely...this is a lie the friend came up w bcuz he was questioned being last person w Janelle. She was alone and scared. Not lonely! https://t.co/jOqfvrOjxD

— Michelle Cruz (@JanelleSister) June 1, 2018



I spoke to MM...maybe 2 times briefly. She never mentioned a book. https://t.co/JHmiLF82j8

— Michelle Cruz (@JanelleSister) May 31, 2018



I did. I asked in the session (delicately) and then deeper talks in the “green room” after. I promise I’ll write it up. https://t.co/aT3R4LCjIX

— Jennifer Carole 🔬⚖️ (@jcarole) May 31, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 17:21 (two years ago) link

With so many victims & families still living, writing about the case has to be a very difficult highwire act. I wonder if the rush to go to print after McNamara’s death may have been a contributing factor. Speculation on my part there, though.
Perhaps there was a deliberate choice not to speak to some of the families, or logistical reasons for not doing so. It’s not always cut & dried.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 17:26 (two years ago) link


I’ve read her story a few times but it suddenly struck me the cold calculatedness of attacking in the early morning. No cover of darkness but with ppl starting to go to work etc you’re less suspicious being a body moving around in a suburban neighborhood.

When I leave my house to go to work in the morning, about 1-2 hours before my wife and kids get up, is definitely when I feel the most anxiety about someone breaking in and attacking them or something. Sometimes I'll double back when I'm halfway to my bus stop to make sure I've set the alarm. I dunno, it's not like you hear about very many early morning home invasions but it's a very vulnerable time nevertheless.

how's life, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:06 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

pleading guilty this morning. his voice is creepy as fuck. and the HBO series just started last night.

akm, Monday, 29 June 2020 17:00 (one week ago) link

How was the HBO series? I really liked the book, but I'm curious as to the angle they take with the series. Was going to start it last night, but chose to go with something a little lighter after that pretty dark Perry Mason ep.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 June 2020 18:03 (one week ago) link

it just started. it's good, but it's a bit unfocused. I expect it will tighten up as it goes on.

akm, Monday, 29 June 2020 18:04 (one week ago) link

i had no idea perry mason was on until I saw the trailer last night and it looks fucking amazing though I'm not sure how much it has to do with the perry mason character we know?

akm, Monday, 29 June 2020 18:05 (one week ago) link

I like it so far, but it's early going. Honestly I only know of the character via reruns of the Raymond Burr series from when I was younger, and this is quite a bit different so far. Mason himself is def more of a rumpled private investigator working for a lawyer, not a lawyer himself (though I guess this might be closer to the written origins? idk). It's gripping so far and I love seeing Tatiana Maslany as a weird cult preacher, though it's def very gruesome in bits.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 June 2020 18:24 (one week ago) link

on DeAngelo, one thing I hadn't seen until today was a report from his nephew that DeA
ngelo's sister was raped by two servicemen at the age of 7 while she and DeAngelo were playing in a warehouse. Apparently she told her son this last year before she died of cancer. He said he wonders if this was an instigating event. He hadn't seen Deangelo in many years.

akm, Monday, 29 June 2020 21:52 (one week ago) link

also, that DeAngelo's parents beat the fuck out of their kids, which seems to be the case in almost every serial killer story.

akm, Monday, 29 June 2020 21:53 (one week ago) link


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