Bill Hader in HBO's Barry

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really liked this first episode !

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link

yea same

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this show is strangely very unfunny, almost comedically tone deaf. even Winkler seems to be unable to do anything with it.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:03 (five years ago) link

I laughed pretty hard at a few of the text message gags.

ryan, Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link

Needs more Janet (D'arcy Carden)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link

i want to like this show *much* more than i like it

Clay, Thursday, 12 April 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link

I'm in the same boat. When I got to the scene where [SPOILERS FOR HBO BILL HADER VEHICLE "BARRY" TO FOLLOW] he shoots those Chechen gangsters, I realized that Bill Hader wrote himself as an ultra-efficient killing machine, and it was not going to be played for laughs. I felt kind of embarrassed.

JRN, Friday, 13 April 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link

the show wouldn't make any sense if he were bad at killing people

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 April 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link

It would be funnier though

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 13 April 2018 02:57 (five years ago) link

There's some middle ground between being a bumbling hitman (although that could be funny) and being able to effortlessly and spontaneously execute two people by shooting through a windshield with a handgun from fifty feet away, as Barry does in the second episode.

JRN, Friday, 13 April 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link

I think they wanted to leave as much middle ground as possible between his hitman and acting skills.

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 April 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

I understand that, but "as much middle ground as possible" turns out to be too much: as a hitman he's pulling John Wick moves, and as an actor he's like an alien who came to earth having never seen movies, or TV, or very much human behavior before.

JRN, Friday, 13 April 2018 07:59 (five years ago) link

the show wouldn't make any sense if he were bad at killing people
as opposed to all the sense it makes as is

calstars, Friday, 13 April 2018 13:00 (five years ago) link

kinda sick of badass nerd fantasies. though it couldn't be much more ludicrous than tom cruise as jack reacher. saw there is some movie on netflix with ethan hawke as a badass hit man and i groaned out loud.

scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link

as a hitman he's pulling John Wick moves, and as an actor he's like an alien who came to earth having never seen movies, or TV, or very much human behavior before.

I mean...ok if that's not your thing. But you're just describing the essential conceit/premise of the show.

ryan, Friday, 13 April 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link

I agree that the show hasn't been hilarious so far. but a good amount of the comedy comes from hader being a one-dimensional hitman exploited by stephen root. you get to watch root's whole deal fall apart because hader, who is very capable otherwise, is worried about his afternoon acting class. so I only mean that this relationship wouldn't make sense without a skill to exploit. Hader is also becoming more of a bumbling hitman, anyway, because of the distraction. I don't love the show yet, but the decision to make him a competent hitman instead of macgruber seems like a funny one.

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link

xp lol exactly

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link

I've only seen this first episode but for this to be bad with this cast, it would have to be really, really bad.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 April 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link

most recent episode was a marked improvement. Winkler's dinner scene was great.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 06:10 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

the chechen guy w/o eyebrows shd get his own spinoff

johnny crunch, Thursday, 10 May 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link

yeah the idiotic chechens are the only thing keeping this show a "comedy" at this point. though i did laugh hardest at barry and winkler's backstage interaction this week ("ok, i see you're still in that place...")

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Thursday, 10 May 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link

yea idk abt that last macbeth ep

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link

the "this is your new process" line sure felt like comedy to me

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 11 May 2018 00:17 (five years ago) link

is one of the jokes how wretched all of the actors are? unsure. weird show.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 11 May 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link

(spoilers obviously!!)

I'd have preferred for the detective to take him down and leave this as a limited series tbh

Simon H., Monday, 14 May 2018 12:55 (five years ago) link

is it going to continue? this show confounded me.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link

Yeah s2 is happening

Simon H., Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link

Apparently yeah. Henry Winkler is gonna be so sad. ;_;


change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link

the idea that he could talk, or shoot, his way out of the ending seems pretty implausible.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link

I was already annoyed that he hadn't scrubbed his FB page.

Simon H., Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link

as mentioned upthread, what you were meant to accept- what's plausible from a character POV vs a storytelling POV- was so confused and all over the place that it just came out as a mess imo. I generally find Hader to be a welcome presence but i thought on balance this was more bad than good. the idea that it's going to continue makes even less sense.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link

that ending at the cabin could not have been real

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

hbo really loves their "antiheroes" who are not actually heroic in any way and you only end up rooting for because they're played by a famous, charismatic actor, huh

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:02 (four years ago) link

entertaining show, good jokes, great character actor work across the board, all somewhat spoiled by the murky morality and weak/inexplicable plotting

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:04 (four years ago) link

going back and reading the comments above, barry doesn't really seem like a badass hitman to me - he's a good shot, but doesn't really do anything fancy or smart. maybe this is just because i'm watching killing eve at the same time.

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:06 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

this show has really leveled up this season

maura, Monday, 22 April 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link

holy fuck

the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 29 April 2019 03:31 (four years ago) link

That just blew the monumentally hyped TV show that airs before it out of the water.

Chris L, Monday, 29 April 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link

I woulda sworn this was hiro murai directing; hader pulled off something spectacular here. Coen-esque!

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 April 2019 05:12 (four years ago) link

looking forward to catching up since I’m only just finishing with season 1 but that Glengarry scene killed me.

omar little, Monday, 29 April 2019 06:00 (four years ago) link

yeah this season has been wild !

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 29 April 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link

This was nice mini-movie, definitely felt like a Coen Bros/Rube Goldberg device to let Barry get away with murder. That little girl!

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

I hadn't realised there was a second series, mainly because the end of the first was a perfectly satisfactory conclusion, so this is a nice surprise to have to catch up on. (See also Hank Azaria's 'Brockmire'.)

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link

There will be some people who will dig this, and there will be some people who are like: “What’s going on with the acting class? I don’t care about any of this.” You can’t please everybody.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link

(brockmire is also having a very good third season; the linda lavin episode was aces)

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 April 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link

watched it again just now. so great.

(so excited to catch up on brockmire!)

maura, Monday, 29 April 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link

That just blew the monumentally hyped TV show that airs before it out of the water.

totally. that was wild.

ryan, Monday, 29 April 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link

Have to wonder if they staggered the season starts just to do that!

ryan, Monday, 29 April 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link

i loved this so much...i don't even think it was that much of a tonal shift in the series that people like alan sepinwall keep saying it was. it was just a brilliant and hilarious little short film

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 April 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link

it really was almost unbearably bleak

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 8 May 2023 13:33 (one month ago) link

Barry's disappearance was eight years earlier but John seems older than that — I guess the fed-provided new life included a kid.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 8 May 2023 14:07 (one month ago) link

God damn that was indeed bleak. Wow.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 14:27 (four weeks ago) link

Am I projecting, or did the cast start to change the way they said the show 'Laws of Humanity' to 'Loss of Humanity' instead?

MaresNest, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:04 (four weeks ago) link

along those lines: is it just me or does every character pronounce “cousineau” differently?

donna rouge, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:16 (four weeks ago) link

I think everyone says KOO-suh-no, except for Winkler himself, who says KOO-suh-now.

jaymc, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 16:42 (four weeks ago) link

I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt for these last few episodes, but based on this week, I’m not convinced that a time jump was necessary.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 11 May 2023 00:45 (four weeks ago) link

i wasn't into it for the last 5-10 minutes anymore, until the last line that Barry says and I'm all in now

a (waterface), Thursday, 11 May 2023 11:42 (four weeks ago) link

Just hoping for more NoHo Hank, though my hopes for the Cristobal/NoHo Hank spin-off sitcom were cruelly dashed.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:08 (four weeks ago) link

I feel like I must be missing something very obvious here but why on earth would Sally go with Barry to start this new life? I'm not even asking with the hindsight of how depressing and dead that life is, but in the moment where he shows up in her apartment. I read his earlier confidence that she would come with him because "she said I make her feel safe" as completely delusional. Is she just so beaten down by the craziness of the plot machinations to this point, and thinks Barry will always find her somehow? Does she feel held hostage by the dude she killed? It feels inconsistent with her character that she would give up on her independent life to that degree just based on the professional setbacks she's had with being the crazy c**t girl or whatever...

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:24 (four weeks ago) link

she doesn't want her independent life as it exists--she has a dream to become an actress and that's not achievable when Barry shows up. it's more than setbacks---there's no way she's getting a real job again. she's at the scott biao level as he exists now

a (waterface), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:30 (four weeks ago) link

doesn't track for me. Her acting student's agent wants to represent her, and while he tells her she'll never get a real good gig anymore with her rep, she's proven herself a) way too strong to be cowed by that, and b) too smart to think it's true, that being cancelled lasts forever. Going with Barry feels like a level of giving up that isn't consistent with her character or at least that we skipped over some steps of her downfall

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:38 (four weeks ago) link

I guess the one piece that makes it more believable though is her history as a domestic violence victim. As depressing as that is.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:39 (four weeks ago) link

Nice that they have that fiber internet connection in the middle of nowhere

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:43 (four weeks ago) link

FWIW, this was Vulture's take on Sally:

Sally will likely never again be able to do what she truly wants. She had that opportunity with Joplin, but the vagaries of the streaming economy ended that, and her own increasing megalomania, combined with the unfortunate news about her ex-boyfriend, closed off any potential path back.

Still, she could claw her way to finding something in the industry if she were open to lowering her ambitions. But the news from Kristen about Barry’s escape helps crystallize a suspicion that has likely been on her mind all day on the Mega Girls set: There’s no longer anything for her in Hollywood. What Sally wants now is safety and love, and in her mind, the easiest place to find those is with Barry.

jaymc, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:54 (four weeks ago) link

yeah i dunno about all that about hollywood. i think the way it makes sense, which is really her DV victim mindset, is that she's seen the ugliness and violence of the world and while Barry is as emblematic of it as anyone, she is convinced that he and he alone can be trusted to never direct it towards her (witness her family being so useless and unsupportive). I don't love it and it is heartbreaking but that's my read

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 11 May 2023 18:00 (four weeks ago) link

I agree Lavator, I didn’t believe Sally would truly desire this level of exile. She already tried exile with her family and couldn’t stand it. And she went back and even despite everything, she was still shooting her shot any chance she got. The scene where she seamlessly went from coaching to auditioning was peak Sally, and I don’t believe that even being rejected in that moment would be enough for her to 1) go with Barry 2) to the middle of nowhere 3) and become a mother 4) who works a dead-end job 5) where she has to put up with still yet more toxic men, only this time 6) men without any power to do anything for her

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 11 May 2023 23:59 (four weeks ago) link

All it needs to be is enough for her to run with Barry in the heat of that first moment. After that she’s trapped because she’s helped harbour a dangerous fugitive, and then trapped again because she has a child.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 12 May 2023 00:32 (three weeks ago) link

that's a fair point about digging herself in too deep early by not turning him in and then one thing leading to another. however, the implausibility combined with the lynchian surreal landscape does still make me wonder if this is ultimately going to be some kind of delusional fever dream, or at least not be quite what it seems

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 12 May 2023 03:58 (three weeks ago) link

really good interview with Sarah Goldberg who plays Sally, where she talks about Sally's trauma driving her towards Barry:

We thought with Episodes 1-4, how are we going to get Sally to a place where this tracks, and she’s wanting to go with Barry?

That’s why there’s the moment in Episode 2 when Sally says, “I feel safe with you.” The idea is that she’s been through so much in her life and she’s been through abusive relationships. Barry was the one person who witnessed her crime and her most animal self in this terrible thing that she did, and he chooses to love her anyway. Sally’s the only character in the show who murders someone when murder isn’t a part of her regular life and isn’t her career. She’s in his terrible trauma state from what’s happened, and Barry, for some reason, is the only person that makes her feel safe because he was there. It’s like him being around her annuls the experience. It makes it all quiet. It’s tragic, really.

Roz, Friday, 12 May 2023 07:39 (three weeks ago) link

bleaker and more messed up every week, so good

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 15 May 2023 14:01 (three weeks ago) link

omg this show! we watched ep 4 yesterday.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 15 May 2023 14:10 (three weeks ago) link

I dunno if I can keep watching thi

ian, Monday, 15 May 2023 15:53 (three weeks ago) link

oh no they got to him too

Qeq-hauau-ent-pehui (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 May 2023 15:56 (three weeks ago) link

bill hader needs to direct a horror movie or something

Roz, Monday, 15 May 2023 16:03 (three weeks ago) link

Stephen Root was so entertaining in this ep.

Chris L, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 01:16 (three weeks ago) link

My only puzzlement is what happened to the guy’s eye with the door?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 01:43 (three weeks ago) link

It was a hallucination. The eye thing was from the episode where she kills that guy.

Chris L, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 01:51 (three weeks ago) link

Doh, of course!

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 05:54 (three weeks ago) link

It’s purposely disorienting because according to Hader they used the actual audio from that scene but also brought back the actor to record new dialogue where he talks about the kid, etc.

Chris L, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 10:59 (three weeks ago) link

Gotta admit I found that whole scene confusing. I understood there was some level of hallucination but I also thought something real was happening in the house? Wasn’t the house still trashed after she was sitting on the floor calling Barry?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 14:47 (three weeks ago) link

i "read" it as flashback to the trauma she has of murdering someone

a (waterface), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 14:54 (three weeks ago) link

She probably trashed the house. There might be some level of intentional uncertainty about it though.

Chris L, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 15:48 (three weeks ago) link

There's a lot of the last/latest season of Twin Peaks in this season. I think the last few episodes have been an extended fever dream. He'd fall briefly into these kinds of fantasies about a perfect life outside of Fuches, etc, so it wouldn't be totally out of nowhere. And now, at the end of this last episode, it picks up from whatever happened after Barry showed up at Sally's.

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:48 (three weeks ago) link

It was a hallucination. The eye thing was from the episode where she kills that guy.

Ohhh, thank you. I knew that sounded familiar but I wrongly assumed that the intruder in black was the dude from the diner. Or maybe it was, but she hallucinated some of the elements? There have been some obvious fantasy scenes this scene, and I initially wondered if the whole flash forward thing would be a hallucination, but this one was more ambiguous and eerie (haven't seen the new ep yet).

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 22 May 2023 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

Appreciate that this week's episode maintained a reasonable amount of humor. The last two eps, as already said above, were f'ing bleak.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 22 May 2023 19:54 (two weeks ago) link

The 501 joke was fucking great, I'm perplexed that Sally would have Gene's mobile number though.

MaresNest, Monday, 22 May 2023 21:52 (two weeks ago) link

amazing episode--so much more satisfying than the end episodes of Succession

a (waterface), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 11:47 (two weeks ago) link

Wait what was the 501 joke

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

Hank's comment after '500 confirmed kills' when the assassins were being introduced.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 12:40 (two weeks ago) link

the only joke I liked in this episode was hank saying "why do I keep opening these boxes?"

dan selzer, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 13:48 (two weeks ago) link

yeah didn't love this ep, felt a little too all over the place. i appreciate them getting away from the nonstop bleak by bringing back some of the humor that used to be a more significant ingredient, but tonally this one just felt all over the map

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 13:50 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, right. Yeah the jokes were mostly Hank-based as usual and felt a little rote, but I'm looking forward to the finale. Lol @ Daniel Day Lewis + Mark Wahlberg though.

I do love seeing Stephen Root in his gang boss incarnation, and the phone call bit between him & Hank.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 14:27 (two weeks ago) link

barry finale beat succession at its own game.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 29 May 2023 06:41 (one week ago) link

Fucking hell, bleak

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 29 May 2023 11:56 (one week ago) link

Oh man.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 29 May 2023 18:30 (one week ago) link

I found this very unsatisfying but I can’t really say why.

ian, Monday, 29 May 2023 21:50 (one week ago) link

I found it unsatisfying yet also much of it was inevitable and was very “Barry.”

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 29 May 2023 21:53 (one week ago) link

Appreciated this take, which made me appreciate how the redemption of Barry could only be fake redemption.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 03:49 (one week ago) link

I wasn't feeling this season much apart from a few Hank scenes. The writers were certainly trying some new ideas but most of it left me cold

Vinnie, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:57 (one week ago) link

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