is New York City dead?

Telecommuting will finish it off.

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

just not enough trains

I want to get myself to love it again.

Not the subway—the city

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

I had the same commute. Bushwick to East Harlem. L to union square than the green line. Sometimes I found myself wishing I would just spontaneously die.

Interesting, ian. I don’t have too much experience driving in manhattan but when I’ve done it I didn’t have a good time.

Last time I tried to take the L train during rush hour I almost had a panic attack trying to change from the G at Metropolitan; just a slow moving mass of people slowly slithering thru the tunnel. Really grim.

I used to drive in the city all the time. It's fine. It was parking that was the issue.

I miss DUMPLINGS! and pizza. And things not being closed on Sunday, Monday, half of Wed. or for whatever random holiday/break pops up.

driving from Queens to Manhattan is not terrible, although sometimes you wind up having to park in a garage that costs more than whatever you're actually going to the city for.

Agreed that the real issue with driving into the city is the parking. Ive gotten used to cruising the grid to find street parking; even if it's metered it's way better than paying a garage imo.

I commuted into the city every weekday for work from roughly March 2000-May 2016. Since May 2016, I've been into NYC maybe 20 times - roughly once a month, on average - and I don't miss it at all.

Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you.

they are provincial compared to a place like new york

you can get people to piss on you anywhere in america

xp That’s what i’m talking about ulysses. I need to rediscover some of that love — that Whitmanian view of new york. That’s what makes stuff like the stress of commuting bearable. It’s hard to feel that sometimes with all the grotesque and out of control wealth. And also I am just bitter now

"Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you."

Don't talk to me about sophistication, Ive lived in Woolwich.

The East River Ferry is sort of a life-changing alternative to subway commuting. You can spend an entire week without going underground ever. But yeah, to get back to the thread topic, RIP New York.

new york city is dead but where in america isn't? america is a failing nation. we should all be trying to immigrate to asia!

I love NYC more when I am not in it. I don't like to shop, my favorite restaurants/bars are closed, the weather was getting to me. Cell phones/internet kind of ruined most aspects of going out (but that is true for a lot of places, just other places can have better manners about it). Tourism is killing a lot of cities. I say that as someone who is frequently a tourist to other places. But at least tourists from NY walk fast and try not to gawk.

I've been spending a month in France and London. It's cold and grey. I would always choose them over NY because of all the ways they are different.

Big restless energy in the city tonight imo

it really is isn't it

We call New York City the Port-Au-Prince of America. We feel the pain our Haitian neighbors feel as the situation grows dire. 

To the people of Haiti and our own Haitian community here in New York City, know that we stand with you today and always.

— Mayor Eric Adams (@NYCMayor) March 13, 2024

sigh how long til the next election again?

as the situation GROWS dire????

I agree Adams is an asshole and a fabulist... but, to be honest, there is a huge Haitian community around Nostrand/Flatbush and this whole 'controversy' sounds more xenophobic than something useful, tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAiFYrOQM8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_5c2XpYI5k

"We call New York City the X of America"
"No we don't?"
"That's racist"

come on.

The mayor hates his own city and thinks the people in NYC who look like the folks who love in haiti are the ones causing all the problems

I'm not defending Adams at all, he is horrible. I'm just saying the way people have been trying to prove that no one calls NYC Port au Prince seems an overreaction, one that stems a bit from also not knowing about Haitians living here, that's all.

Adams being horrible and making a mistake does not negate the fact that people in NYC can be xenophobic in more subtle ways

I'm sorry, I'm having a bad day – I am not trying to be combative, specially with a topic related to Adams, who's horrible in all ways to refugees and stateless people right now. I just see a lot of casual xenophobia around my neighborhood (I live near a lot of Haitians) and it sucks, and I get defensive. Sorry again to you both

I get what ur getting at tho.

There are many many ways to parse what he’s saying and none of them are good for either ny-ers of any stripe or the ppl of haiti

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html wow $1400 a month for food.

My wife and I spend about $600 a month at the grocery store for the two of us, and we eat good food and buy things that would be considered luxuries by the kind of people who get pissed off at migrants or poor people on food assistance programs, so $1400 for four people seems pretty good.

Man, i don’t live in that food desert, but that seems helpful.

It’s starting with 10 whole families, because they funded it initially from what they dug out the couch. 10 families?!

USDA national numbers https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/Cost_Of_Food_Low_Moderate_Liberal_Food_Plans_February_2024.pdf

low cost plan is about $250 per person per month. round up for NYC and then don't ask people to eat shit, and you get $1400+ for a family of four.

I doubt migrants have a lot of access to facilities for food storage or cooking in that area. Some pleb with a chest freezer and an instant pot could probably live like a king or whatever

https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-hires-high-profile-lawyer-to-defend-mayor-adams-against-sexual-assault-lawsuit

Adams should be ashamed in more ways than one

same lawyer as elon musk lmao

Weird that Quinn does that at way below market rate. Only shows that they feel like they’re getting something else out of it. Whole thing is fucked up and I dont understand why a city law dept attorney can’t defend him.

never thought i would miss di blasio, but this fucking guy is the worst

and it's only been like 18 months since people were all like 'National Democrats Can Learn from Eric Adams'

It really seems like there’s nothing good about him. DeBlas at least had a few bright spots. Universal pre-k stands out.

Windy af today
Wish I was at the top of the Brooklyn dark tower

Swayin’

I went to Hamburger America today and damn if that isn't the most excellent burger (the Motz Onion Burger).

Will try

on first impression the Brooklyn Paramount is really a great music room, and gorgeous.

https://i.imgur.com/rrR5mKc.jpeg

These adams headlines are making me lol

(From hellgate, great site, thank you to whoever recommended it here)