is New York City dead?

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NYC seems genuinely out of fashion for the first time in my life, and maybe its history? Williamsburg is a punchline, Manhattan both above and below 14th St is just rich fuxors, seems like everything that used to happen in only NYC or LA now happens in LA or some other ascendant metropolis. I am not particularly worldly or sophisticated or mobile these days so I can't offer much more evidence, this is just my lay observation. What u think?

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:10 (three years ago) link

New York isn't dead.
There are still lots of great things about this city.
The things I value might not be the same things others value, of course.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:12 (three years ago) link

no you're dead

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:13 (three years ago) link

okay

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:16 (three years ago) link

I mean, IDK, I was out in bushwick recently on a saturday night and it still seemed happening and teeming with young artsy cutting edge types brimming with energy. However it's been rough for a good amount of time now as far as being a city that young people without a bankroll or a professional job can live in, and that definitely cuts into the creative energy of the city some. I mean I don't even think the bronx offers the kinds of rents today that could be had 20 years ago in brooklyn.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:18 (three years ago) link

like if you mean "dead" as in "no longer can birth a 'scene' the way it could in the 60s/70s/80s/90s, that might be true just because rents are so high.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:21 (three years ago) link

I think that is what I mean. Although "scene" sounds a little tinny/reductive, scenes kind of matter. A city births a scene which creates stuff that matters.

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:23 (three years ago) link

Is Paris dead? How about London? Those cities are pretty expensive too, and have been for some time. New York is still a place that attracts ambitious young people, including artists, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:25 (three years ago) link

well yeah, I mean a scene as in the beats or the greenwich village folk scene or disco or no wave or whatever. Like the combination of cheap living and high density and educational and arts institutions and economic activity that allows for a scene that actually produces something of worth. Like I just don't think there are many corners of the city left where a bunch of musicians could live close to one another and work more or less full time on their music and pay rent waiting tables part time or whatever. And to the extent such pockets exist, they're scattered at the edges of the city instead of centralized.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (three years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (three years ago) link

Rising rents making it hard for young people to live there unless they're being bankrolled is basically true for all major international cities now. Even Berlin's getting expensive these days.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (three years ago) link

But hey, there are always aspiring artists with trust funds, so the city will never die

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (three years ago) link

i don't know the deal w/rents in NYC but i find it funny when people come out to L.A. from there and rhapsodize about how comparatively inexpensive the rent is here.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (three years ago) link

I don't go out much anymore, so maybe there's some lively cheap shit I'm missing out on.

It's also really hard for some people in late middle age (w/out a LUCRATIVE CAREER) to live here.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (three years ago) link

I'm also old and have a family and work a lot, and I just don't really know what's happening anymore. When we went out in Bushwick, we saw some local DJs/electronic artists in a little club and it was absurdly packed and seemed pretty alive.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:31 (three years ago) link

I guess another thing I've noticed is that galleries tend to show artists from all over the US and world, and I'm guessing that's more true than it used to be. But that's also an internet-erasing-borders thing.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:33 (three years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:28 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (three years ago) link

it's all about the rust belt, my friend

we eat the cheeses here too

they are artisanal

our cities are the envy of all, their livability is primo

j., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:48 (three years ago) link

Here's how I think about New York, after my last visit there last summer:

New York is good and the only actual large city in America on the metric of everything existing there. Big cities are the ones where there is everything; you can tell Seattle is a small city because there are things that are not here.

New York is bad in that it smells of garbage. In the summer, hot garbage.

If more American cities grow to populations in the millions, New York will be more dead by comparison due declining uniqueness. Is this going to happen? Who knows.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:52 (three years ago) link

i kinda want to leave, but i have a job i like okay and an unusually fortuitous living situation. there's no real reason for me to be here; i don't partake of the cultural opportunities available

it'll probably be the subway that finally drives me away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:57 (three years ago) link

NYC: where if you can make it there as a successful artist, you can also have a successful time crowdfunding your medical bills.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:21 (three years ago) link

Telecommuting will finish it off.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:23 (three years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:27 (three years ago) link

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (three years ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (three years ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (three years ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018



I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (three years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (three years ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (three years ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (three years ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (three years ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (three years ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (three years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (three years ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (three years ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (three years ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (three years ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (three years ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (three years ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (three years ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (three years ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (three years ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (three years ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (three years ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (three years ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (three years ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (three years ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (three years ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (three years ago) link

RIP Phil Schaap, NY will never be the same.

ian, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 22:51 (two months ago) link

true dat

What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 23:04 (two months ago) link

My friends and I would listen to his shows keep track of his tangents and colloquialisms. My favorite was "I'm saying more and more about less and less"

jbn, Thursday, 9 September 2021 02:04 (two months ago) link

RIP

three weeks pass...

y'all I'm spending 24 hours in Flushing just for the hell of it, what should I do/eat/see in Flushing?

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 September 2021 19:02 (two months ago) link

best chinese food in the country iirc, but i am completely unqualified to recommend any of it

maybe also ask here: 54-46, that's my number: the Queens thread

mookieproof, Thursday, 30 September 2021 19:12 (two months ago) link

oh shit thank you!

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 September 2021 19:19 (two months ago) link

housebound today but would love to see you!

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2021 19:29 (two months ago) link

I should have told you to come to Terraza 7, but I only just got here myself a little while ago.

He POLLS So Much About These Zings (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 October 2021 01:59 (two months ago) link

A man at this congestion pricing @MTA town hall said it would negatively impact businesses, using an example of a time he went into Manhattan for free Krispy Kreme and said he wouldn’t have if there had been a toll. @2AvSagas

— scott rising (@rising) September 30, 2021

mookieproof, Friday, 1 October 2021 14:31 (two months ago) link

Oh boy

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:33 (two months ago) link

Stevie I didn't see this yesterday, I would have told you all the places!!!!

New World Mall basement food court. Go to the grocery store on the main floor to look at amazing unfamiliar fruits and the terrifying giant crabs trying to escape from their plexi holding cells. Steamed rice rolls at Joe's Steam Rice Roll which is right outside the mall. Nan Xiang Xiao for soup DUMPLINGS!!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:39 (two months ago) link

Sorry all I care about is food. I used to know where to play DDR and get cute stationery but I haven't been shopping there in years.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:43 (two months ago) link

Y’all don’t worry it’s not til tomorrow/Monday! I’m arriving in Flushing at like 7pm and then leaving the next day prob around 4?

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 2 October 2021 11:38 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Sliwa says de Blasio has “taken a Miley Cyrus wrecking ball to this city”

— Michael M. Grynbaum (@grynbaum) October 26, 2021

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 23:48 (one month ago) link

…the latest skirmish began on Nov. 29 at a community meeting. James Stuckey, an executive vice president at Mr. Ratner’s firm, Forest City Ratner, was explaining the process of eminent domain…… asking the state to obtain
property for them as a last resort … Mr. Stuckey said, would involve declaring properties in the proposed arena footprint "blighted." The word drew jeers from
members of the audience, the newspaper reported, including one woman who yelled back, ‘You’re blighted!’"

calstars, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 23:54 (one month ago) link

love it

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 09:12 (one month ago) link

In New York we always go big, so I’m going to take my first THREE paychecks in Bitcoin when I become mayor. NYC is going to be the center of the cryptocurrency industry and other fast-growing, innovative industries! Just wait!

— Eric Adams (@ericadamsfornyc) November 4, 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 November 2021 17:44 (one month ago) link

Adams seems likely to me to be in jail by the end of the decade

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2021 17:53 (one month ago) link

lol

Josefa, Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:30 (one month ago) link

Adams comment is surprisingly tone deaf. You can’t buy food or pay rent with crypto

ncxkd, Thursday, 4 November 2021 19:21 (one month ago) link

Between politicians shilling for crypto and TV now wall-to-wall sports gambling commercials, starting to feel like we're heading into an era of grand grift that will make all previous grift eras look like pikers.

seems correct

Adams is like Trump where he has an incredible ability to have his finger on the pulse of what every dumb guy is thinking and repeat it back to them in a way that makes them think he's a dumb guy like they are. Rare skill for a politician

— Michael Tae Sweeney (@mtsw) November 4, 2021


Handicapping the next 10 years: +200 Adams gets indicted and does non-trivial jail time +300 Adams becomes President +800 Adams does jail time THEN becomes President

— Michael Tae Sweeney (@mtsw) November 4, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 November 2021 20:07 (one month ago) link

i'm saying though

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2021 22:42 (one month ago) link

Impressive that NYC managed to elect two legit imbeciles mayor in a row.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 November 2021 01:10 (one month ago) link

NYC has had a bad run of mayors for... how long now?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 5 November 2021 03:44 (one month ago) link

la guardia was good

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 November 2021 04:28 (one month ago) link

laguardia killed the streetcar

conrad, Friday, 5 November 2021 10:18 (one month ago) link

Offices are still too empty and too many workers are at home – that has an impact on our economy and ripples across the entire city.

I’m putting a stake in the ground: It’s time to get back to the office. 2/

— Kathy Hochul (@GovKathyHochul) November 18, 2021



Just think of the landlords!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:40 (two weeks ago) link

I would imagine her point is more about what the lack of commuters does to the economy. I support WFH for sure but there are larger effects beyond upset landlords fwiw.

Evan, Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

hmm a lot of tweeting when she should be opening up covid boosters to all adults

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

i understand that not having midtown offices full has an effect but i don't know that her putting a stake in the ground and telling people to just come back is the solution lol xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

totally agree!

Evan, Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:52 (two weeks ago) link

Covid boosters are open to all adults in NY as long as it is 6 months after your second dose. I'm getting mine Saturday.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

that's for NYC, I don't think all adults in NY State are eligible yet.

mizzell, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

actually I see that they are available for anyone who "feels at risk" in NY State so basically everyone. not sure why they feel the need to qualify it like that.

mizzell, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

I think some employers are going to start mandating boosters for those who are eligible. Maybe that little qualification might delay that.

o. nate, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

I am 49 w/o any morbidities and just scheduled a booster.

"Governor Hochul encourages New Yorkers who are 18 and older and feel at risk to get their COVID-19 booster dose. This includes individuals who received their Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna initial vaccine series at least six months ago or the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine at least two months ago."

I parse this as you are eligible if you feel at risk. Who doesn't feel at risk at this point? Anyone going into work in person, eating at a restaurant, shopping in a store could legitimately feel at risk.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

xp

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

The boosters are widely available now. Getting a booster is not preventing someone else from getting it. Get it.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

I have to assume being Cuomo's Lt Gov was designed to be a permanent position and never a stepping stone to governor. NY doesn't have term limits. She doesn't seem like she was meant for this. Her messaging style is not great.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

yeah the booster messaging has been unclear, the nys gov website says you need to have an underlying condition (tho i know most pharmacies don’t really ask) and there’s no indication that rules in the city are any different

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

It's too late for everything to return to "normal". First of all, where are the cheap and plentiful and fast testing sites and test kits? Get that first.

But secondly, people don't want to come back. I'm back in the office 2 days a week and it's a ghost town. Meanwhile I have co-workers who are pushing to get everybody back in the office 5 days a week because they think that's best. While any number of people, especially people with longer commutes, are not feeling that.

dan selzer, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

Hochul getting dragggggged for that tweet

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

they should just extend central park though most of midtown anyways

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

Make sure you get your $100 incentive by getting yr booster in a gov facility like Shea stadium.

calstars, Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

i will take my incentive in one (1) ticket to watch the new york knicks play basketball

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:47 (two weeks ago) link

got my booster at duane reade. was a nightmare. wife got hers at Elmhurst aka covid ground zero and got a crazy goodie bag of swag.

dan selzer, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe I should head over there.

Sterl of the Quarter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

She didn't get 100 bucks. Just a t-shirt and bracelet and booklets and stickers and stuff.

dan selzer, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:50 (two weeks ago) link


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