is New York City dead?

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NYC seems genuinely out of fashion for the first time in my life, and maybe its history? Williamsburg is a punchline, Manhattan both above and below 14th St is just rich fuxors, seems like everything that used to happen in only NYC or LA now happens in LA or some other ascendant metropolis. I am not particularly worldly or sophisticated or mobile these days so I can't offer much more evidence, this is just my lay observation. What u think?

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:10 (two years ago) link

New York isn't dead.
There are still lots of great things about this city.
The things I value might not be the same things others value, of course.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:12 (two years ago) link

no you're dead

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:13 (two years ago) link

okay

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link

I mean, IDK, I was out in bushwick recently on a saturday night and it still seemed happening and teeming with young artsy cutting edge types brimming with energy. However it's been rough for a good amount of time now as far as being a city that young people without a bankroll or a professional job can live in, and that definitely cuts into the creative energy of the city some. I mean I don't even think the bronx offers the kinds of rents today that could be had 20 years ago in brooklyn.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:18 (two years ago) link

like if you mean "dead" as in "no longer can birth a 'scene' the way it could in the 60s/70s/80s/90s, that might be true just because rents are so high.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:21 (two years ago) link

I think that is what I mean. Although "scene" sounds a little tinny/reductive, scenes kind of matter. A city births a scene which creates stuff that matters.

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:23 (two years ago) link

Is Paris dead? How about London? Those cities are pretty expensive too, and have been for some time. New York is still a place that attracts ambitious young people, including artists, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:25 (two years ago) link

well yeah, I mean a scene as in the beats or the greenwich village folk scene or disco or no wave or whatever. Like the combination of cheap living and high density and educational and arts institutions and economic activity that allows for a scene that actually produces something of worth. Like I just don't think there are many corners of the city left where a bunch of musicians could live close to one another and work more or less full time on their music and pay rent waiting tables part time or whatever. And to the extent such pockets exist, they're scattered at the edges of the city instead of centralized.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

Rising rents making it hard for young people to live there unless they're being bankrolled is basically true for all major international cities now. Even Berlin's getting expensive these days.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

But hey, there are always aspiring artists with trust funds, so the city will never die

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

i don't know the deal w/rents in NYC but i find it funny when people come out to L.A. from there and rhapsodize about how comparatively inexpensive the rent is here.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I don't go out much anymore, so maybe there's some lively cheap shit I'm missing out on.

It's also really hard for some people in late middle age (w/out a LUCRATIVE CAREER) to live here.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I'm also old and have a family and work a lot, and I just don't really know what's happening anymore. When we went out in Bushwick, we saw some local DJs/electronic artists in a little club and it was absurdly packed and seemed pretty alive.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:31 (two years ago) link

I guess another thing I've noticed is that galleries tend to show artists from all over the US and world, and I'm guessing that's more true than it used to be. But that's also an internet-erasing-borders thing.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:33 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:28 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (two years ago) link

it's all about the rust belt, my friend

we eat the cheeses here too

they are artisanal

our cities are the envy of all, their livability is primo

j., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:48 (two years ago) link

Here's how I think about New York, after my last visit there last summer:

New York is good and the only actual large city in America on the metric of everything existing there. Big cities are the ones where there is everything; you can tell Seattle is a small city because there are things that are not here.

New York is bad in that it smells of garbage. In the summer, hot garbage.

If more American cities grow to populations in the millions, New York will be more dead by comparison due declining uniqueness. Is this going to happen? Who knows.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:52 (two years ago) link

i kinda want to leave, but i have a job i like okay and an unusually fortuitous living situation. there's no real reason for me to be here; i don't partake of the cultural opportunities available

it'll probably be the subway that finally drives me away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:57 (two years ago) link

NYC: where if you can make it there as a successful artist, you can also have a successful time crowdfunding your medical bills.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:21 (two years ago) link

Telecommuting will finish it off.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:23 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:27 (two years ago) link

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (two years ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (two years ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (two years ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018



I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (two years ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (two years ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (two years ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (two years ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (two years ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (two years ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (two years ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (two years ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (two years ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (two years ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (two years ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (two years ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

for real. I mean, yeah, it'd piss off the needledicks who can't stand the idea of not being able to go out and get a pint, but restaurant owners could relax and pay their furloughed employees without fear.

but nooooooooo, that's not what made America great! so the federal government will probably just annex each restaurant as its own sovereign territory and deport all restaurant owners to Canada.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 June 2020 19:50 (two weeks ago) link

i'm really fucking glad my friend's cat cafe got an EIDL loan, but he's got such a low cost operation going, he was able to adjust and work with the landlord to stay afloat. restaurants that have to buy large volumes of food product/beverage product and have high overhead , I don't even wanna imagine.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 June 2020 19:51 (two weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/4B9qfOB.jpg

calstars, Monday, 29 June 2020 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone have any tips on where these undisclosed locations are? They have to be on the waterfront somewhere around Manhattan right ? How could they keep this a secret?

calstars, Monday, 29 June 2020 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

Macy's Fireworks Are Playing at My House

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

unimaginable

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

last i heard nabes were gettin 'heads up' due to complaints by vets with PTSD

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/29/21306893/indoor-dining-delay-nyc-coronavirus
this is probably the right call

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/06/a-black-market-fireworks-dealer-explains-this-years-boom

Last week, in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, a thin man in a white T-shirt and a wide-brimmed Chicago Bulls cap proudly popped the trunk of his Chevy Malibu. Inside, there were Golden Willows, Chain Reactions, Parachute Battal­ions, and Mini Artillery Shells—dozens of colorful boxes, one of them labelled “For Daytime Use!” This was what remained of the twelve hundred dollars’ worth of fireworks that the man, who asked not to be named, had purchased during a visit to Keystone Fireworks, in Pennsylvania, and then sold, for more than double the price, around Brooklyn. (Fireworks are illegal in New York State.) He takes calls for deliveries from ­regular customers, or parks on a busy street and does business, out of his car, with ­whoever stops by. “People have always done fireworks,” he said, “but they’re going harder than ever this year. They can’t wait to come ­outside.”

“The money’s good,” the man in the Bulls cap said. This year, he sold in two days what would have normally taken him two weeks.

His fireworks aren’t cheap; the ­fanciest ones in his trunk go for two hundred bucks. So most of his customers are adults—“people with money,” he said—rather than teen-agers. Nearly all of them are men. They tend to be in their late twen­ties or thirties, and sometimes, if they’re buying fireworks before the sun has set, they bring their kids with them. That night, the man gestured around at the neighborhood, which was coming off a four-month lockdown. “They’re celebrating,” he said of the people setting off the fireworks. “It’s definitely about freedom.”

“I hope not” was all he had to say when asked if he thought police were shooting off fireworks. “We don’t need any more drama around here.”

A few blocks over, a group of young men, probably in their twenties, launched a several-minutes-long blitz. They took turns darting from the sidewalk into the street to light streams of Roman candles, which they topped off with five-hundred-­gram “cakes”: the largest firework that can be legally used without a ­federal explosives permit. People watched from their apartment buildings. One neighbor leaned out his window and begged the group to stop; the fireworks were scaring his dog. “Fuck your dog!” one of the men yelled back at him. “We will shoot these shits at your house!” Moments later, a cop car rolled up, and the group retreated.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 June 2020 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

new york city . . . lives

mookieproof, Monday, 29 June 2020 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

New study of Covid seroprevalence in New York by @florian_krammer and team; finds that 1:5 New Yorkers likely already had SARS-CoV-2 by late April and the infection fatality rate in New York City was about 0.7%. https://t.co/ekqxUuhGwv

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) June 29, 2020



Seems legit. Not from that crank Stanford team whose work had tons of basic algebraic errors.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 June 2020 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

finding it hard to believe regardless

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 29 June 2020 22:33 (two weeks ago) link

Most of the estimates of ifr I saw that were being tossed about months ago based on Asian data were in the range of 0.5% to 1%. This fits.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 29 June 2020 23:51 (two weeks ago) link

1 in 5 though?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 01:04 (two weeks ago) link

1 in 6 I think, obv far more likely

time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

1 in 5 sounds like a lot but the important thing to note is that NYC wouldn't reach the coveted 'herd immunity' status until a bit less than 4 in 5 have had it. This finding only puts 'em a quarter of the way along. So, unless a vaccine comes along, you can take the current number of deaths in NYC and multiply by about 3 to get a rough estimate of how many more would likely die on the way to herd immunity, sans vaccine.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 01:52 (two weeks ago) link

can't believe it's been over 4 months since i've been in NYC! i can't imagine when I will be in there again for work or otherwise.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xPQ16Asyoo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

sorry if this is stating the obvious but there's a large difference between 1% and 20%

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

20% is an estimated infection rate; 1% is estimated fatality rate

Josefa, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

got it, the post didn't specify

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

From the documents, here's how the city council is characterizing the supposed $1B cut to the NYPD.

The tally I've seen counts $42M in increased traffic/parking enforcement revenue as a cut, toward the $1B total pic.twitter.com/aynFiT0bJi

— Yoav Gonen (@yoavgonen) June 30, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 22:55 (two weeks ago) link

hard to imagine how diblasio coulda fucked this up worse... everybody hates him now!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 22:58 (two weeks ago) link

oh no, our luxury Avenue is being denigrated

NYC is cutting Police $’s by ONE BILLION DOLLARS, and yet the @NYCMayor is going to paint a big, expensive, yellow Black Lives Matter sign on Fifth Avenue, denigrating this luxury Avenue. This will further antagonize New York’s Finest, who LOVE New York & vividly remember the....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 1, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 15:50 (one week ago) link

that might be the Trumpiest tweet ever

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:18 (one week ago) link

hard to imagine how diblasio coulda fucked this up worse... everybody hates him now!

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, June 30, 2020 3:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

yeah he's even worse than the hated milk machine

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:22 (one week ago) link

suspect something Freudian with Trump's word choice

below the mendoza (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:25 (one week ago) link

new york's finest love new york so much they live in different counties and states.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:26 (one week ago) link

cops LOVE this one luxury avenue

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:29 (one week ago) link

suspect something Freudian with Trump's word choice

― below the mendoza (rip van wanko), Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:25 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh fuck just saw it

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:34 (one week ago) link

"no YOURE the racist how could you think that"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

subconscious maybe or Stephen Miller's handiwork? hard to imagine him ptting that much thought into these inanities but who knows

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:37 (one week ago) link

Plenty to criticize NYC cops about, choosing not to live in NYC isn't one of them

badg, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:37 (one week ago) link

can't believe they're gonna paint a YELLOW sign on luxurious fifth avenue

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:57 (one week ago) link

Plenty to criticize NYC cops about, choosing not to live in NYC isn't one of them

all cops everywhere should be required to live in the communities they ostensibly serve, and not actively wanting to should be a disqualifier

this luxury Avenue (sic), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 19:57 (one week ago) link

it's hard though when complaints force your relocation to another department

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 19:58 (one week ago) link

given that we are now about an hour in to July 5, perhaps we can stop with the motherfucking fireworks already

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 5 July 2020 04:54 (one week ago) link

4:30 AM “wake up” call. Yup, I’m up now!

calstars, Sunday, 5 July 2020 11:14 (one week ago) link

https://bklyner.com/new-york-jobless-face-new-woes-with-end-of-600-pandemic-unemployment-assistance/
dunno man, they need to address this in the next two weeks or there's gonna be a citywide rent strike

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 July 2020 01:53 (three days ago) link

Where the f is everybody? Quiet today

calstars, Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:42 (three days ago) link

People think it’s going to rain? Lightweights

calstars, Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:42 (three days ago) link

weather is for old people

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:44 (three days ago) link

Right?

calstars, Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:00 (three days ago) link

we are old people tho

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:01 (three days ago) link

i was hoping no one would notice

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:36 (three days ago) link

weather doesn’t exist

calstars, Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:40 (three days ago) link

AJ Parkinson would be proud

calstars, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:16 (yesterday) link

EUROPEANS

seandalai, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:52 (yesterday) link


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