is New York City dead?

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NYC seems genuinely out of fashion for the first time in my life, and maybe its history? Williamsburg is a punchline, Manhattan both above and below 14th St is just rich fuxors, seems like everything that used to happen in only NYC or LA now happens in LA or some other ascendant metropolis. I am not particularly worldly or sophisticated or mobile these days so I can't offer much more evidence, this is just my lay observation. What u think?

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:10 (two years ago) link

New York isn't dead.
There are still lots of great things about this city.
The things I value might not be the same things others value, of course.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:12 (two years ago) link

no you're dead

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:13 (two years ago) link

okay

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link

I mean, IDK, I was out in bushwick recently on a saturday night and it still seemed happening and teeming with young artsy cutting edge types brimming with energy. However it's been rough for a good amount of time now as far as being a city that young people without a bankroll or a professional job can live in, and that definitely cuts into the creative energy of the city some. I mean I don't even think the bronx offers the kinds of rents today that could be had 20 years ago in brooklyn.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:18 (two years ago) link

like if you mean "dead" as in "no longer can birth a 'scene' the way it could in the 60s/70s/80s/90s, that might be true just because rents are so high.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:21 (two years ago) link

I think that is what I mean. Although "scene" sounds a little tinny/reductive, scenes kind of matter. A city births a scene which creates stuff that matters.

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:23 (two years ago) link

Is Paris dead? How about London? Those cities are pretty expensive too, and have been for some time. New York is still a place that attracts ambitious young people, including artists, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:25 (two years ago) link

well yeah, I mean a scene as in the beats or the greenwich village folk scene or disco or no wave or whatever. Like the combination of cheap living and high density and educational and arts institutions and economic activity that allows for a scene that actually produces something of worth. Like I just don't think there are many corners of the city left where a bunch of musicians could live close to one another and work more or less full time on their music and pay rent waiting tables part time or whatever. And to the extent such pockets exist, they're scattered at the edges of the city instead of centralized.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:28 (two years ago) link

Rising rents making it hard for young people to live there unless they're being bankrolled is basically true for all major international cities now. Even Berlin's getting expensive these days.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

But hey, there are always aspiring artists with trust funds, so the city will never die

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

i don't know the deal w/rents in NYC but i find it funny when people come out to L.A. from there and rhapsodize about how comparatively inexpensive the rent is here.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I don't go out much anymore, so maybe there's some lively cheap shit I'm missing out on.

It's also really hard for some people in late middle age (w/out a LUCRATIVE CAREER) to live here.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (two years ago) link

I'm also old and have a family and work a lot, and I just don't really know what's happening anymore. When we went out in Bushwick, we saw some local DJs/electronic artists in a little club and it was absurdly packed and seemed pretty alive.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:31 (two years ago) link

I guess another thing I've noticed is that galleries tend to show artists from all over the US and world, and I'm guessing that's more true than it used to be. But that's also an internet-erasing-borders thing.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:33 (two years ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:28 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (two years ago) link

it's all about the rust belt, my friend

we eat the cheeses here too

they are artisanal

our cities are the envy of all, their livability is primo

j., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:48 (two years ago) link

Here's how I think about New York, after my last visit there last summer:

New York is good and the only actual large city in America on the metric of everything existing there. Big cities are the ones where there is everything; you can tell Seattle is a small city because there are things that are not here.

New York is bad in that it smells of garbage. In the summer, hot garbage.

If more American cities grow to populations in the millions, New York will be more dead by comparison due declining uniqueness. Is this going to happen? Who knows.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:52 (two years ago) link

i kinda want to leave, but i have a job i like okay and an unusually fortuitous living situation. there's no real reason for me to be here; i don't partake of the cultural opportunities available

it'll probably be the subway that finally drives me away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:57 (two years ago) link

NYC: where if you can make it there as a successful artist, you can also have a successful time crowdfunding your medical bills.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:21 (two years ago) link

Telecommuting will finish it off.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:23 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:27 (two years ago) link

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (two years ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (two years ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (two years ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018



I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (two years ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (two years ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (two years ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (two years ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (two years ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (two years ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (two years ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (two years ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (two years ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (two years ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (two years ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (two years ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (two years ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

DeBlasio said on TV tonight that April's gonna be worse than March, and May might be worse than April.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:01 (one week ago) link

well, i mean it's good they are finally being realistic.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:03 (one week ago) link

Rhode Island Police to Hunt Down New Yorkers Seeking Refuge

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge

Alba, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:23 (one week ago) link

I wonder when the doctor will tell me coming for chemo is too risky

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:27 (one week ago) link

I've seen the map of cases by neighborhood, and religious funamentalism is a helluva drug

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 13:11 (one week ago) link

Have other Brooklyn ppl had the Mandatory Wiring/Equipment service call I just had from V3riz0n? It was on, then it was off, then I found out it was definitely on when they arrived. I need my phone and web badly, so I feel like I had no choice but to let em in. I wonder at what point they'll suspend these visits?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 16:45 (one week ago) link

This is from this morning. I know certain jobs like first responders/ medical staff/ grocery store employees/ etc. have to get to work but NYC, what are we doing with packed platforms??? #whatisnewyork pic.twitter.com/V5ufNHoeQC

— WhatIsNewYork (@whatisny) March 27, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 16:52 (one week ago) link

They’ve cut service due to sick conductors and lack or ridership. Really cool. Maybe nows not the best time for that?

dan selzer, Saturday, 28 March 2020 17:11 (one week ago) link

NYT (shut down the fucking park gatherings and the goddamn houses of worship, for fuck's sake):

New York City officials are expected to decide this weekend whether to impose $500 fines on residents flouting social-distancing rules during the coronavirus outbreak by gathering in large groups at parks and ignoring police orders to disperse.

Mr. de Blasio also said that a few houses of worship were continuing to hold religious services and that they risked fines or having their buildings permanently closed if the police found congregations in them this weekend.

The mayor also said he was working with state officials to freeze rents this year for 2.3 million tenants in rent-stabilized apartments.

Officials said late Friday that the number of coronavirus cases in New York City had climbed above 26,000. The city’s death toll was 450.

At least 500 New York Police Department employees have tested positive, and more than 4,000 officers — about 11 percent of the uniformed work force — were out sick on Friday, officials said.

In a force of 36,000 officers, that translates to an infection rate of about one in every 80 officers, or about 1.2 percent.

Officials also reported the first death of an officer in the department: Detective Cedric Dixon, who worked in the 32nd Precinct, in Harlem, and had worked for the department for 23 years.”

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:30 (one week ago) link

I hear hundreds of NYPD have tested positive for the Coronavirus.

When the funerals begin they should bury them in these shirts. pic.twitter.com/dJuPveVbNH

— William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon) March 27, 2020

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:37 (one week ago) link

This RI thing is so weird.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:37 (one week ago) link

the city should've been endorsing universal masking (even handmade) like weeks ago.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:39 (one week ago) link

RI and Kansas now have stay-at-home orders

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 20:20 (one week ago) link

If you have health insurance in New York, are you covered in RI if you’re hospitalized for coronavirus? Or in NJ? More generally, is health insurance in one American locale usable in others? Despite living in the USA for almost 40 years I don’t know, because I never lived near a state border and didn’t travel much domestically. I remember that things cost more “out of zone”, but I don’t know what zones are.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:01 (one week ago) link

i believe so, yes. but regular/scheduled things would likely be 'out of network', which would be more expensive (but probably still covered to a certain extent)

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:25 (one week ago) link

Oh God, we are going to be reading a lot of smug articles like this from now on: "Why I Am Not Leaving New York"

https://www.vogue.com/article/why-i-am-not-leaving-new-york

I can think of better reasons not to leave New York than an insufferable feeling of being a Real New Yorker TM. Think of all the people still working in supermarkets, transit, etc that can't leave because their jobs are here and they are working with the public everyday. Or people who don't have the option of a second house to escape to. Or people who don't have the money to go somewhere else. Reasons based on practicality and not snobbery.

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:39 (one week ago) link

also leaving is nonsensical on its face. you risk spreading the virus elsewhere, for what?

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 21:55 (one week ago) link

People think they haven't got it yet, so leave to where they think they're less likely to get it. A gamble, possibly stupid, definitely selfish.

Alba, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:15 (one week ago) link

self-preservation is an understandable instinct

I didn't leave bcz I couldn't, really

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:16 (one week ago) link

yeah, people will need to check about their insurance if they go out of state. I learned that the hard way that if you have blue cross blue shield for ex. there are like a thousand versions of it.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:21 (one week ago) link

or they might not take the obamacare version of it.

Yerac, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:23 (one week ago) link

My insurance card says right on the back "This member has limited benefits [read: go fuck yourself] outside of New Jersey."

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:13 (one week ago) link

the parks really need to stay open, people just need to be fucking smarter.
putting cops out by the entrances appears to be breaking up groups if my last visit is any indication.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 29 March 2020 00:53 (one week ago) link

New: NYPD has nearly 700 positive coronavirus cases; about 12% of the workforce out sick

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) March 29, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 29 March 2020 01:42 (one week ago) link

cops are kind of the sweet spot for traveling around and interacting with lots of people while being totally cavalier about taking any precautions.

circles, Sunday, 29 March 2020 02:28 (one week ago) link

Also believing they are gods/invincible

In a meeting with the shelter’s director and staff, Ward even asked if residents could get gloves and masks.

“They just said it wasn’t in the budget,” he said. “After they said that, I had to shut my mouth because now I know they don't care.”

https://gothamist.com/news/living-20-room-nyc-homeless-face-high-risk-coronavirus-spread-congregate-shelters

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:28 (one week ago) link

hopefully the people making masks in nyc will distribute them to the centers and on the street.

Yerac, Sunday, 29 March 2020 19:40 (one week ago) link

I have been getting mail and parcels w/out interruption. Youse?

https://gothamist.com/news/mail-coronavirus-staffing-postal-service-covid-19

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:38 (six days ago) link

people who play april fools prank, even before this, are the worst.

Yerac, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:38 (six days ago) link

mail seems to be fine but no one sends me shit and i dont order much online

i get a lot of packages, no problems as of yet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:53 (six days ago) link

Navy ship is useless thus far... NYT:

Such were the expectations for the Navy hospital ship U.S.N.S. Comfort that when it chugged into New York Harbor this week, throngs of people, momentarily forgetting the strictures of social distancing, crammed together along Manhattan’s west side to catch a glimpse.

On Thursday, though, the huge white vessel, which officials had promised would bring succor to a city on the brink, sat mostly empty, infuriating executives at local hospitals. The ship’s 1,000 beds are largely unused, its 1,200-member crew mostly idle.

Only 20 patients had been transferred to the ship, officials said, even as New York hospitals struggled to find space for the thousands infected with the coronavirus. Another Navy hospital ship, the U.S.N.S. Mercy, docked in Los Angeles, has had a total of 15 patients, officials said.

“If I’m blunt about it, it’s a joke,” said Michael Dowling, the head of Northwell Health, New York’s largest hospital system. “Everyone can say, ‘Thank you for putting up these wonderful places and opening up these cavernous halls.’ But we’re in a crisis here, we’re in a battlefield.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 April 2020 11:18 (five days ago) link

i can tell who doesn't read their eating ass newsletter in a timely manner.

Yerac, Friday, 3 April 2020 18:22 (five days ago) link

look it's a difficult time for all of us

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:31 (five days ago) link

and it really shows.

Yerac, Friday, 3 April 2020 18:37 (five days ago) link

no need to brown nose the establishment

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:47 (five days ago) link

My dad was a Queens paramedic long ago and still listens to the dispatch radio as background noise. He was wondering last night why he heard dispatchers start spelling out the names of streets. Mystery solved https://t.co/iHkSaOHyPP

— sethmpk (@sethmpk) April 4, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 19:55 (four days ago) link

iatee, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:24 (three days ago) link

gah not good at zing

iatee, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:27 (three days ago) link

are there actually more sirens or am i imagining that

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:10 (fifty-seven minutes ago) link

there is less noise in general on the streets so the sirens stand out

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:13 (fifty-four minutes ago) link

like right now i am hearing a baby crying from--seemingly--an apartment on the other side of 9th avenue

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:14 (fifty-four minutes ago) link

usually that wouldn't happen

treeship., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:14 (fifty-four minutes ago) link


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