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I think we should have a dedicated thread for discussing IT (2017) aka IT:CHAPTER ONE, directed by Andy Muschietti and starring a Skarsgård and some children, based on the book by Stephen King, as well as anticipating its sequel, set to be released in 2019

I found this film quite disappointing!

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:24 (one year ago) link

my son thought it was v enjoyable but unfortunately I've been unable to give one fuck

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:25 (one year ago) link

obv it was insanely hyped and successful - it came along at the perfect time what with the renewed interest in horror & King & the whole stranger things thing - and it does a lot of things right (the kids are great and I really like the cinematography by Chung-hoon Chung) but for a 2.5 hour film it feels quite rushed somehow, just felt to me like it completely fizzled out after a strong start. And the "scares" are fuckin pathetic, that leper should be ashamed of himself, sub-freddy nightmare house is embarrassing, and the clown suuuuucks - he can pull a creepy face but that dumb voice was such a mistake. "mmm yummy fear" lol gtfo

Anyway they hit the clown with sticks the end

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:33 (one year ago) link

I posted about it on another thread--haven't given it a thought since.

Poll Macabre: Stephen King On Film and TV

clemenza, Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:35 (one year ago) link

The miniseries had some pretty inventive (ever so slightly daft) scenes that weren't in the book, like the shower heads coming out and menacing Eddie who has a phobia of showering with the other boys. And then pennywise comes up out of the floor, and then - nothing happens. The killer clown has this tiny, naked kid literally cornered and the scene just ends. This sort of thing happens a lot in the miniseries, pennywise is basically just a prankster who jumps out & says boo but doesn't do anything.

I thought that the new one would at least improve on that side of things but nope, not only is it not scary there's never any sense of threat. He actually gets Stanley, has Stanley's face in his mouth for like a full minute, and Stanley has like a few tiny shallow cuts. Reminded me of watching tom & jerry as a kid & tom would swallow Jerry alive and jerry would get out & I was always like, why doesn't this cat just use his teeth to eat? Kidnapping bev & taking her to his lair to do nothing with was such tired supervillainry too. So much anticlimax. Henry Bowers falls down a thing. K.

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:09 (one year ago) link

doesn't he bite that kids arm off or something idk?

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:20 (one year ago) link

Technically yes

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:21 (one year ago) link

I think our Joel may have oversold this

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:21 (one year ago) link

It's cool how much the kids are digging this tbh, ilx consensus seems to be underwhelmed but we are miserable gits maybe

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:25 (one year ago) link

I think one fatal problem with adapting this in 2017 is how much "scary clowns" became the worst epic bacon shit

Skarsgård is basically doing the exact same kind of "haha I'm so twisted" mugging that everyone ahem clowned Jared lego for and it's disgraceful that he isn't being equally derided imo

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:32 (one year ago) link

some clickbait for those who often don't know which frigging Skarsgård ppl are actually talking about! For example I din't know the guy who plays Floki in Vikings is one as well, obv a terrible family and probably descended from nazi collaborators, but nevertheless...

http://junkee.com/guide-skarsgard-family/122139

the 'phet offensive (calzino), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:42 (one year ago) link

justice for mike hanlon

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

he was the book's main character, and he gets about, what, six speaking lines in the whole movie?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:04 (one year ago) link

My daughter has been obsessed with seeing this. At first I was reluctant, both because of the book but also because I wasn't sure she was ready for some hard-R freakout movie. But then I started reading about it and it just seems like a slightly above average but otherwise run of the mill jump-scare horror movie, and now I'm reluctant because I know she can do better! It's wild, though, being in the car with her and her early teen friends and hearing them talk about "It" like some right of passage "Faces of Death" like movie. Especially when something like "Gerald's Game" is just sitting there on Netflix and it is so much more intense.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:07 (one year ago) link

that first scene with georgie is terrifying, but the rest of the scares pretty much follow the same formula: 1) kid hears a strange noise, 2) kid investigates the noise, 3) kid realizes something is out of the ordinary, but continues onward out of curiosity, 4) JUMP, 5) chase

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:11 (one year ago) link

sub-freddy nightmare house is embarrassing

Yeah, this stuff was all seemingly tailor-made to be imitated by small-town low-budget haunted houses for many Octobers to come.

Can we talk about all the kids sitting around in their tighty whiteys to the tune of Bust a Move during the quarry scene? A chick walks by you wish you could sex her/but you're standing on the wall like you was Poindexter. I didn't need anything about any of that.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:12 (one year ago) link

The mike thing really ticked off the part of me that is still 15 and obsessed with the novel - they took away his whole deal and gave it to the kid who already has like two whole deals 😡

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link

Yeah, completely unforgivable.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:17 (one year ago) link

Stan otoh even in the book doesn't have much of a deal beyond "is going to kill himself", when you don't get that upfront it's just a bit of a nothing character

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:19 (one year ago) link

xp he also likes birds

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:20 (one year ago) link

Likes birds, is doomed: not gonna lie, it isn't much but it's more than this film could be bothered to come up with

Here we get: is Jewish, does uhhh Jewish stuff

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:53 (one year ago) link

the change made me wonder if they're planning to kill him off instead for some reason

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:01 (one year ago) link

wins otm. enjoyably Stranger Things, but not very scary and the payback was kind of a cop out 'I am not afraid of you' believe in yourself garbage. Shame really. I liked it more than I didn't like it

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:03 (one year ago) link

I should watch this, I guess. My sister loved it and she's the harshest horror fan I know. Nothing passes muster with her (the last film I can remember us giving a collective two thumbs up was Home Movie).

Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:09 (one year ago) link

It isn't completely awful it just doesn't live up to its rep imo. Hopefully some people will come and say nice things about it at some point (jclc really liked it iirc)

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:11 (one year ago) link

If you like stranger things at its best you'll like the interactions between the kids for sure. Wee nebbish germophobe + Finn wolfhard are a legit hilarious double act

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:15 (one year ago) link

I appreciate it as a coming of age film, Finn Wolfhard (still can't believe this is his real name) was a great Richie, the actress who played Beverly was great. Like someone upthread said, it felt a little thin for 2.5 hours, but there were plenty of genuinely creepy moments

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:20 (one year ago) link

Finn wolfhard and chosen Jacobs

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:21 (one year ago) link

xp yeah, eddie was great too, his chapters were always the hardest for me to get through in the book, but the kid who played him had a lot of charm and one of the best "i'm horrified" looks in the biz

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:21 (one year ago) link

not enough sewergangbanging imo

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:25 (one year ago) link

It was interesting to read in that vulture piece that the original script had a version of that scene! (The fukunaga version of this would for sure have been better, nobody doubts this right)

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:28 (one year ago) link

it’s so weird to me that this beloved book, which has spawned a tv series and two movies and is to this day a cornerstone of its writer’s career, has a pivotal scene where a bunch of underage kids fuck in a sewer

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:30 (one year ago) link

no doubt. cary's a mean old daddy, but i like him fine.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:31 (one year ago) link

xp it's surprisingly easy to forget about considering there are approximately 2000 pages where kids aren't fucking in a sewer

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:31 (one year ago) link

Another thing I thought was well done was what king in the book calls the apocalyptic rock fight. I like how they abruptly cut to a wide shot and it suddenly looks exactly as pathetic as a rock fight would irl. Reminds me of a similar moment in twin peaks s3 where shit's getting crazy and there's a sudden cut to a master shot that just hilariously deflates the scene

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:32 (one year ago) link

Cocaine is a helluva drug xp

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:33 (one year ago) link

I already discussed this in the thread on King adaptations as well, but I liked it. Nothing really scary beyond the prologue (though I did jump during the projector scene), and (echoing clemenza in the other thread), I'm just sick to death of busy CGI effects. It would be nice if the whole 80s nostalgia thing that a lot of movies/TV are going for these days would extend one of them using 80s-style practical FX.

The cast was fantastic, and I would go so far as to say that this is one of the best set of child actors I've ever seen on film. The film worked for me as both a coming-of-age movie and even as a sentimental Spielberg-esque suburban fantasy (call me a sap, but the stuff with the brothers worked for me in a straightforward tearjerker-y way). Just not so much as a horror movie.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:54 (one year ago) link

the kids' swearing was the best part of the movie

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

loved the book and was disappointed by the movie, structurally it was a failure because the power and immensity of the evil of 'it' in the book is best demonstrated by the frequent flipping back and forth between the childhood/adult timelines. despite everything they went thru as kids, they forgot everything and ended up repeating and recreating the abusive and traumatic and toxic circumstances of their youth (i.e. beverly's husband). that was totally lost in the movie and defanged 'it'

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:07 (one year ago) link

this is one of the best set of child actors I've ever seen on film

otm. issues I had were with the script, not with the performances. the adults didn't really act like recognizable humans to me, but I kind of understand that as an artistic choice. the novel makes clear that It affects all the adults in Derry to make them either monsters or bystanders. but it could've been a little less bodysnatchers-y

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:11 (one year ago) link

Yeah I could see what they were going for and I liked that they made Henry's & Bev's dads and the pharmacist even nastier but it's a bit much to have every adult be a dead-eyed psychopath the whole time

Similarly the creepy tv show in the background the whole time is neat in some ways but having the adults be literally hypnotised by a subliminal message is a bit too, well, literal

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:22 (one year ago) link

Reminds me of a similar moment in twin peaks s3 where shit's getting crazy and there's a sudden cut to a master shot that just hilariously deflates the scene

― scrüt (wins), Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:32 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, okay, the TP scene you're referring to is hilarious and I think you've sold me on this for all the wrong reasons.

Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:26 (one year ago) link

iirc from the book, the pharmacist was not a bad dude at all.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:28 (one year ago) link

In the book it's suggested that even tho he's "doing the right thing" he takes a sadistic pleasure in upending eddie's world

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:31 (one year ago) link

Ha, okay, the TP scene you're referring to is hilarious and I think you've sold me on this for all the wrong reasons.

If you go in for the comedy those are prob the right reasons! It's what this film does well

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:32 (one year ago) link

yeah the pharmacist was certainly mean, at the very least. he was also very involved in the 1930 murder of the gangsters in the book.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:36 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, I remember that now.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:46 (one year ago) link

i haven't watched this one yet but is it actually any good?

it got a lot of mixed reviews

infinity (∞), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:51 (one year ago) link

It's a new golden age of bloated three-hour Hollywood epics.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 September 2019 13:20 (two months ago) link

The way they handle the Ritual of Chud basically means thirty minutes of wasted subplot in this

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Friday, 6 September 2019 13:46 (two months ago) link

Also agree on the final stretch. Very disappointed

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Friday, 6 September 2019 13:48 (two months ago) link

also feel like they gave Mike back the 'history' aspect of his character, which makes you wonder why they took it away from him in the first one.

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:13 (two months ago) link

Honestly they fucked the setup “chapter” so badly that when he calls everyone & says “it’s mike hanlon from Derry” & they all go “...who?” you’re like, well yeah exactly

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:24 (two months ago) link

i didn't hate this though, i only started to lose interest midway through. esp when the whole totem-gathering sequence became completely pointless.

naked hot psycho grandma was fun tho

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:26 (two months ago) link

gotta say though, despite it being part of the original novel, the opening scene was pretty triggering, considering what happened in my hometown 3 years ago. tempted to warn my friends about it.

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:31 (two months ago) link

Xp It’s not wasted time if those scenes work tho, but imo none of them quite get there and they all end terribly cause this film whiffs the scares even more than part one

If 1 was “o no it’s that rascal penny wise, hope he doesn’t move really quickly at me and then disappear”, this is more “another dumb-looking cartoon with langolier teeth, how much more of this shit is there to go”

Mrs Kersh scene was really effective until they lost their nerve and turned her from spooky old lady to another one of those stupid things

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:37 (two months ago) link

God I just remembered that they did a comedy needle drop when the leper puked on Eddie in his (pointless, consequence free) encounter with it

I'm so fascinated by how profoundly bad these films are!

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:36 (two months ago) link

The audience I was with seemed to mainly enjoy it, lots of laughs (there are some good jokes in this tbf) but things like Patrick Hocksetter's appearance provoked the kind of incredulous laughter you do not want

The ending (which really is geralds game squared) did not get laughs of the "are they really doing this, are you fuckin kidding me" variety, weirdly

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:45 (two months ago) link

bullying a billion year old evil entity = the way to victory apparently.

given the trash talk of the kids in the first movie, they could have killed him permanently then.

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:46 (two months ago) link

The endings of both these films are so much worse than the end of the novel it's kind of hilarious - the running joke about Bill's books in this is particularly delicious cause sTepHeN kInG iS bAd aT eNdIngS is up there with qUeNtoN tArAnTiNo hAs a fEEt fEtiSh as far as basic bitch cultural commentary goes, & is therefore exactly at this film's level

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:54 (two months ago) link

It has an awesome ending tho

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:01 (two months ago) link

damn I wasn't trying to be spoiled but also not trying too hard to not be spoiled, w/e, prolly not gonna see it for another week at least, but lmfao they BULLY pennywise to death??? 😂

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:01 (two months ago) link

The book? I agree

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:02 (two months ago) link

xp

The end of this is purest kitsch and how they defeat It is not the half of it, what happens after is exquisitely bad

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:05 (two months ago) link

yeah the book

Can't wait to see this now

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:14 (two months ago) link

the old pharmacist randomly ripping farts as he walked away seemed like a weird inclusion

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:17 (two months ago) link

Oh flappy I hope you love it <3

I’ve tried not to be too spoilery as I want people to discover how terrible this is for themselves if they’re so inclined

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 22:27 (two months ago) link

I didn’t truly start getting angry at the movie until the climax. Before that I was at least intermittently entertained and had plenty of moments to step out to use the restroom.

Wish I could talk more about it without spoiling anything!

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 September 2019 22:47 (two months ago) link

it's IT, innit? spoil away imho, just mark it as such

Simon H., Saturday, 7 September 2019 23:04 (two months ago) link

Okay SPOILERS for some of the worst bits of the ending:

There’s a badly directed and boring cgi action sequence that lasts like half an hour, with a giant pennywise who turns into a spider (but still with pennywise head) and the whole thing looks like something from the hobbit movies

The ritual of Chüd in this is some dumb nonsense that doesn’t work and then It throws them all into separate nightmare rooms to retread bits from the first one: Eddie and Richie do their (very wearisome by this point) routine in front of those fucking “not scary/scary” doors again; Bill has the exact same scene of being accused by Georgie in the cellar; Bev is trapped in the bathroom stall with nothing to do; Ben uhh something to do with quicksand I think? Mike doesn’t even get one lol this film hates him

(How Ben and Bev escape their rooms is some amazing cringe but I’ll leave it for someone else to spoil)

Anyway eddie gets given this spike thing by Bev who tells him “this kills monsters if you only believe in it” - turns out she stitched him right up cause it doesn’t work and it kills Eddie. In his dying breath Eddie explains that the way to kill it is to make it transform into something small and vulnerable as it is bound by the physical form it takes (this idea does come from the book, it’s how they are able to hurt werewolf-it with silver) but again Eddie is as full of shit as Bev was and this doesn’t work either. Eventually they come up with the idea of just yelling at It “you dumb bad clown” and the hurtful remarks literally belittle it and they squash its heart

Saving the worst for last: in the epilogue, everyone is living their best life and it’s revealed that they are not losing their memory again as happens in the book because It is definitively dead. They all receive a letter from Stan, who tells them that his suicide was a cunning plan to help them defeat pennywise, as he knew he wouldn’t have the courage to face up to it when it came to the crunch and if he came back he would bring the other losers down. By “taking himself off the board” he ensured their victory. Mike goes to Florida/dies on the way to his home planet

YouGov to see it (wins), Sunday, 8 September 2019 16:45 (two months ago) link

What is that happy crappy?

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:44 (two months ago) link

The making Pennywise small scene reminded me of the scene at the end of 2004s Peter Pan where the Lost Boys kill Hook by making him depressed

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:47 (two months ago) link

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difficult listening hour, Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:51 (two months ago) link

I saw this last night and it was a Good Bad Movie, I will not be taking questions at this time.

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:01 (two months ago) link

direct me now to the many good epilogues in movies

mark s, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:05 (two months ago) link

oh also this movie had a brazen steal from Carpenter's "The Thing" that made me laugh and clap.

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:06 (two months ago) link

I saw this last night and it was a Good Bad Movie, I will not be taking questions at this time.

― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:01 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the take i was waiting for

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:10 (two months ago) link

I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to make a better version of the network miniseries featuring a slew of TV actors but I guess it actually is difficult.

I rewatched the miniseries a little while back and at least the first half held up surprisingly well. I don't think I need to see the new ones as it sounds like many of the decisions they made would aggravate me to no end.

Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:25 (two months ago) link

The endings of both these films are so much worse than the end of the novel it's kind of hilarious

wait so they manage to be WORSE than a prepubescent orgy

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:26 (two months ago) link

i saw the first chapter (lol) the other day and like part one of the miniseries i thought it was pretty good! without the adult timeline it's a little like the goonies vs. evil clown but i could get down with the vibe. gonna start cleaning my bathroom to "six different ways." hated the camera-shaking scares though

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:09 (two months ago) link

I did enjoy the first volume a lot.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:11 (two months ago) link

though the pacing did annoy me, it kept feeling like they were shuttling these characters into different scare zones. i hear it's even worse wrt part two

xp

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:11 (two months ago) link

That was my problem. I never was a fan of the haunted house jump scare parts, but there were fewer of them in the first volume. I connected more with the coming of age story.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:26 (two months ago) link

It: Chapter Two (2019)
(dir. Andy Muschietti) pic.twitter.com/nMmxlmzE5w

— Simpsons Films (@simpsonsfilms) September 10, 2019

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:39 (two months ago) link

wins is otm that this was really bad, yet somehow i enjoyed it. i think it was just the overall vibe of "adults who were childhood friends get back together and rekindle the flame of first love," i'll take a shot of that no matter how poor the quality.

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:24 (two months ago) link

basically like The Big Chill crossed w/The Thing, there's even a suicide at the beginning.

omar little, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:27 (two months ago) link

that sounds like it would resonate with a lot of people but it definitely does not resonate with me

i guess i am the opposite of map when it comes to this i think it was just the overall vibe of "adults who were childhood friends get back together and rekindle the flame of first love," in that i am basically not interested under any circumstances.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:40 (two months ago) link

not that it matters what i think or what i like -- It has a life of its own!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:41 (two months ago) link

lol they were running the preview for this before MIDSOMMAR and at first I didn't recognize it and was all "huh this quiet scene with the creepy old lady in her house actually seems p cool" but then they showed the clown and I was like "oh hell no"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:47 (two months ago) link

You were all about the naked crazy old lady?

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 22:01 (two months ago) link

wins is otm that this was really bad, yet somehow i enjoyed it. i think it was just the overall vibe of "adults who were childhood friends get back together and rekindle the flame of first love," i'll take a shot of that no matter how poor the quality.


I’d say I wanted this exact vibe, but curdled and made horrific- maybe an unrealistic thing to want from a blockbuster but it’s what the original blockbuster novel does. Here we open with nasty scenes of queerbashing and wifebeating, then it’s determinedly feelgood for the rest of its 3 hours - basically the opposite of the tonal shift that people don’t like in the new Tarantino. This film is so pathologically anxious for its viewers not to feel any adult emotions that it rewrites the ending to remove every last trace of melancholy or ambiguity: no more amnesia, reassurance that stan’s suicide was in fact a heroic sacrifice (did the “hill house is nice actually” guy do punch-up work on this?)

Nothing is allowed to matter, even when kids and main characters start dying it’s rushed through to get to the next dumb fetch quest or ham-handed exposition scene or sub-dream warriors Friendship is Magic garbage. The constant wisecracks undercutting any sense of menace... this is what I imagine watching an avengers movie is like

YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 07:52 (two months ago) link

direct me now to the many good epilogues in movies

they are all in Wild Things (1998)

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 09:35 (two months ago) link

You were all about the naked crazy old lady?

tbh... yes

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:10 (two months ago) link

actually it's gerontophilia

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:55 (two months ago) link

lol

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:55 (two months ago) link

somehow i enjoyed it. i think it was just the overall vibe of "adults who were childhood friends get back together and rekindle the flame of first love," i'll take a shot of that no matter how poor the quality.

This is basically where I'm at wrt "Chapter 2" also. What makes IT one of the only King books that still kinda has its hooks in me is the both-sides-now child-adult mirroring, with both halves regretting something they don't have yet/anymore. In any case, this one ditches almost all the Stranger Things shit that ruined the first part, so advantage belongs with this one.

Also, yes, scary fast hot naked booby granny gross tango was a highlight.

Also, Mike spiking Bill's water with root -- "What did you do to me?!"

Also, everything everyone negative to say about bullying Pennywise until he turns into Rubber Johnny and sheds copious tears of a murderous clown clearly has never read a single page from the legendarily and lovably embarrassing bibliography of one Stephen King.

Also, production values are entirely too high tbh.

Also, much hotter "not fat anymore" Ben than the ABC mini, even if his chemistry with the rest of the cast is at the level of a hologram.

Also, Xavier Dolan using his last dying breaths to make a joke about his gay basher's mullet looking like a Meg Ryan wig is chef's kiss, and only one of two anti-mullet punchlines made by someone badly wounded.

Also, I don't care what anyone else has to say on this, the curious decision to turn Richie urp-prone Trashmouth into a closeted homo carrying a torch for the somehow straight mama's boy Eddie inhaler-sucking Kaspbrak, and unveiling that plot point vis-a-vis a needle-drop appearance by Pennywise goading Richie into a game of Truth or Dare, and watching this all play out in a movie theater while sitting next to a straight childhood friend with whom I also experienced my first erections in the presence of another dude from sleepover games of "reluctant" Truth or Dare (emphasis on Dare), was let's just say a moment.

But yes, the endings sucked.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 September 2019 05:17 (two months ago) link

wins relentlessly otm on this thread esp here:

Nothing is allowed to matter

even torture porn horror schlock allows characters to present themselves as traumatized by the shit they're going through: they get jumpy, they become hyper-vigilant, they become constantly reactive to the possibility of further insult. tobe hooper was great at this -- once a person sees some truly soul-altering shit, he/she doesn't just start cracking wise five minutes later with the threat still present. nothing against good horror wisecracks but once you're down the well in this movie, you are fucked up, and you're going to be fucked up for a long time. nothing here seems to touch anybody, unless it kills them.

but it's also a good bad movie as eliza d. says: a fun watch with a bunch of dumb shit, like all the cheap 80s horror movies I love. And Skarsgard is fucking glorious, every minute he spends onscreen is a gift.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 12 September 2019 07:09 (two months ago) link

I am otm but probably too relentlessly sometimes - as a person who will rewatch thinner I am glad some people are enjoying this bad movie 🙂 I can see myself maybe softening on it over time as long as I never have to watch it again

Re the “curious decision” to make Richie the gay one (was trying not to spoil this earlier as it’s a surprising choice that actually works), I strongly suspect either that this was made after casting Hader or that the filmmakers were just big Richie fans - that actor/character is given the only interesting stuff to do p much. One of the more egregious examples of “nothing can matter” is the losers being surprised to see Richie grieve their friend who died horribly minutes before. It’s a good moment for him but shouldn’t those guys give a shit as well?

The mook they got to play hunky Ben = total void

YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:57 (two months ago) link


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