The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power series

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Well here we go:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2316587

Key paragraphs:

Amazon today announced it has acquired the global television rights to The Lord of the Rings, based on the celebrated fantasy novels by J.R.R. Tolkien, with a multi-season commitment. The upcoming Amazon Prime Original will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust, HarperCollins and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment....

Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring. The deal includes a potential additional spin-off series.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link

I nominate dmac as director.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link

I hope it's an expanded adaptation of The Hobbit. Feel like there was a lot of underexplored threads in Jackson's sadly abbreviated version.

Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link

Raggett so help me

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link

I care for your employment prospects.

Anyway:

Amazon should make a sexy murder-mystery series about the elves and call it RIVENDELL

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) November 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link

Will they finally find neeson a role is what I want to know

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link

it's all sean bean this time, sorry

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

Liam Neeson as Bombadil, you know it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

Be great if this was all a scam and a cover to be nothing but Tom Bombadil. Seven seasons of it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link

Neeson would make a pretty solid Theoden, maybe.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link

"What did we actually get the rights TO?!"

"...a couple of poems?"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link

Goldberry taken by orcs

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link

Neeson now too old for aragorn or boromir it surely too young yet for theoden

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

A neeson wizard now what would that look like I wonder

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

bombadil will at last get his futterwacken

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link

By christ I try not to fp posters I like but

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link

Neeson is i think the right age for Theoden, he's a solid 10 years older than Bernard Hill was when he filmed his role. though Neeson doesn't look it. i think if you beard him up he'd look the part.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link

Literally over the hill

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

And at least twice as big as an underhill

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link

either way this time around my request is they should lean a bit more on the spectral and ghostly and terrifying side of the Nazgul and less the screaming power metal side.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link

And galadriel not to be a Halloween witch pls

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

"new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring" is incredibly fucking vague.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

Oh I think it lets you know exactly what we are in for.

Especially considering how they......"improved"....the hobbit

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link

and featuring James Corden as Radagast the Brown

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link

i've actually never read any of the posthumous ephemera other than The Silmarillion (which rules so hard)...

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link

Pretty sure this will have more boobs in than PJ's version.

chap, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link

I want to see the Snoke = Bombadil chronicles imo

https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link

LotR isn't nearly horny enough source material for prestige tv, they'll have to work on that a bit

ciderpress, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link

it is perhaps the least horny literature

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link

they paid $250m for this o_O

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link

If New Line Cinema's involved, does that mean that this is an extension of the Jackson movies?

jmm, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link

it is perhaps the least horny literature

Don't worry, the fans have filled the gaps.

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link

If New Line Cinema's involved, does that mean that this is an extension of the Jackson movies?

The exact nature of what's happening remains kinda maddeningly unclear. The two key factors:

1) As noted, to what extent is this an extension of the Jackson movie interpretations, with associated backstory (not always Tolkien's).

2) What is the estate's involvement, and what rights in question have been sold to what texts?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link

The fact that Saul Zaentz's Tolkien Enterprises setup isn't mentioned at all is telling, but I'm not sure of the exact implications.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link

Boromir often had the horn iirc

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link

this is a very silly idea. the answer to making an LOTR series is certainly not to make it more "adult" in language or sexual content. If they want to make it more like GOT, why not zoom back 1000 years and focus on the wars between the men and Nazgul, focusing on the rise of the Witch King and the Fall of Arnor or something. That could be cool.

What isn't cool: hobbit sex.

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 November 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link

they haven't specifically said they're making it more adult tbf

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link

and I'm not sure the Tolkien estate would sign off on something like that

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link

S3, EP2:

Sam has an honest talk with Gollum. Eowyn has a realization about Aragorn. Theoden makes a fateful decision. Merry and Pippin travel south with a new friend.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link

"The One With the Mathoms"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link

What isn't cool: hobbit sex.

You say that, but did you know that hobbit women all have thick hair on the top of their breasts? Changes everything.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link

they haven't specifically said they're making it more adult tbf

― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 5:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and I'm not sure the Tolkien estate would sign off on something like that

― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 5:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was a report a few weeks back that they were going to take a darker, more thrones-like take on the subject matter, but it seems like they are going to go in a different direction.

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link

The goofy happy clown direction.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link

the elves are immortal so they've all gotten tired of fucking already. they're over it

ciderpress, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link

"When there's a whip there's a way."

"But you're not an orc."

"Context my dear Bilbo."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link

LotR isn't nearly horny enough source material for prestige tv, they'll have to work on that a bit

― ciderpress, Monday, November 13, 2017 1:55 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is perhaps the least horny literature

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, November 13, 2017 1:58 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't worry, the fans have filled the gaps.

― Simon H., Monday, November 13, 2017 2:40 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The exact nature of what's happening remains kinda maddeningly unclear. The two key factors:

1) As noted, to what extent is this an extension of the Jackson movie interpretations, with associated backstory (not always Tolkien's).

2) What is the estate's involvement, and what rights in question have been sold to what texts?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, November 13, 2017 2:43 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Found it:

Amazon today announced it has acquired the global television rights to all The Lord of the Rings fan fiction based on the celebrated fantasy novels by J.R.R. Tolkien, with a multi-season commitment. The upcoming Amazon Prime Original will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust, HarperCollins, FantasyFuckz.biz, and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment....
Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new, sizzling-hot elf-sex storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring. The deal includes potential additional spin-off series.

The Lays of Beleriand indeed!

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 02:12 (six years ago) link

Beren & Luthien & Carol & Bob

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 02:15 (six years ago) link

they paid $250m for this o_O
― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 8:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Legend of the Seeker" would have gone for a song.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link

BATTLEFIELD HAM dekalogy or gtfo

mark s, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link

should’ve just made a series based on “Concerning Pipe-weed”
dude, where’s my ring?

scanner darkly, Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:22 (one year ago) link

I find it odd that after the major story arc of LOTR there is this caper involving hobbits vs diminished Saruman. Why not make that some separate tale?
In th esame spirit I think the Rings of Power could have a littel story at the end about Sauron starting a crypto coin and doing a rug pull

| (Latham Green), Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:48 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

given tolk's newest novel for xmas: THE FALL OF NÚMENOR

not convinced i'll learn that much i didn't already know but nice to have it in one swaggy production (inc.pix etc): already eyerolled at the phrase "magisterial 12-volume series" mind you

mark s, Monday, 26 December 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link

"under the masterful editorship of his son, christopher"

this intro needs fewer adjectives in this masterful sub-editor's opinion

mark s, Monday, 26 December 2022 13:13 (one year ago) link

Roffle. Just finished reading my copy yesterday; it’s a very handy compilation of the Second Age material for the curious and there were some things I’d forgotten about from their appearances in said series. Did underscore that with no ability to use nearly any of this due to the rights the TV series was always going to be something of a mess.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 December 2022 13:26 (one year ago) link

i know that that even when the ancient greeks knew otherwise the earth was considered flat in some of the viking sagas still (according to adam of bremen harald hardrada no less sailed to the actual edge and looked off into the abyss) but still JRRT arguing that the tragic broken-ness of the post-numenor world boo hoo = "it is now a GLOBE and that's bad" is some goofy shit tbqh

mark s, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link

anyway i finished this: it is what it is

(it belongs here bcz published to time with the broadcast of the thread topic)

the section i enjoyed most was the fragment of the time-travelling* story the lost road: elendil and his grumpy teenage son herendil discuss how things are bad (giant big wave on the way) but you can't say anything (they argue abt this) and shouldn't they maybe sneak out the back with an entire mini-navy?

anyway it's a nicely written scene and you don't have to commit to memory tar-this and ar-that**, the rulers of the doomed island with their quirks (likes boats hates trees etc). apparently the other section of the lost road is apparently a modern-day passage abt one oswin and his son alboin but that isn't included. later on herendil evolved into isildur tho he was still given to adolescent snits, hence the whole "not destroying the ring when you could have" thing…

*yes
**tolk in HOMEWORK MODE 🙄

mark s, Saturday, 31 December 2022 13:01 (one year ago) link

thinking a little more abt elendil and grumpy herendil it strikes me that there's something to be written abt the tricky relationship of fathers and sons in the body of tolkien's work, viz for example (in this book) numenorian ruler aldarion's with his dad meneldur (the son was the "shipwright" who preferred sailors to his wife, which ended up wrecking family relations and somewhat fvcking up his daughter ancalimë)

also of course there's JRRT's relaltionship with christopher T which was perhaps not tricky but did somewhat doom the son to a lifelong project trapped entirely within his dad's imagination (and lol i could also add my relationship as a reader in the 70s with my dad as an early passionate adopter in the 50s: i get lots out of tolkien but i am definitely as oedipally sceptical of many elements as i am filially attracted to others)

mark s, Sunday, 1 January 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link

No lie there are interesting dynamics at play -- Tolkien's own loss of his father when he was small, his frustrations with his guardian after his mother passed. The Aldarion story was written (more accurately sketched out) in the 60s around when Christopher himself was going through a divorce and I've always wondered if that was the lens JRRT wrote it through; Christopher himself said nothing about that in print, perhaps unsurprisingly.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link

i feel like the only possible response here is "oh no!"

mark s, Sunday, 1 January 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Truly a smash success:

It’s long been an open secret that Jeff Bezos has yearned for his own Game of Thrones, and that Amazon’s big swing as it reached for its own massive hit was The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, believed to be the most expensive series ever made.

Last September, the show began with a bang, delivering the biggest debut ever on the streamer in what Amazon Studios chief Jennifer Salke called “a very culturally defining moment” for the company. But when season one wrapped, the show was less defining than hoped, falling short of being the breakout hit that Amazon had envisioned.

While Amazon, like other streamers, provides only limited data — and internally, it held information even more closely than usual on the series — sources confirm that The Rings of Power had a 37 percent domestic completion rate (customers who watched the entire series). Overseas, it reached 45 percent. (A 50 percent completion rate would be a solid but not spectacular result, according to insiders). The show has not been a major awards contender, either, overlooked by the major guilds with the exception of one SAG-AFTRA nomination for stunt ensemble.

But according to Salke, the series has worked. “This desire to paint the show as anything less than a success — it’s not reflective of any conversation I’m having internally,” she says. The second season, currently in production, will have more dramatic story turns, she adds. “That’s a huge opportunity for us. The first season required a lot of setting up.”

You keep telling yourself that.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link

I thought the show was pretty entertaining, but possibly not for any of the reasons they were aiming for

mh, Monday, 3 April 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link

I will accept this judgment.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link

it's just tragic they spent so much time and money on a Neverwinter Nights expansion pack

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 3 April 2023 22:03 (one year ago) link

cranking that Mount Doom ignition switch until that bad boy turns over

mh, Monday, 3 April 2023 23:31 (one year ago) link

Squid Game had an 87% completion rate. Resident Evil was canceled for having a 45% completion rate. https://t.co/lMn7nyTLh2

— Ed Zitron (@edzitron) April 3, 2023

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 3 April 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link

The whole thread with Zitron and David Ruddock's response there says it all.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link

“more dramatic story turns”

vacillating between “oh no” and “hell yeah”, the latter being more of morbid interest

scanner darkly, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link

Yeah I'm with you there. As I said elsewhere: "more dramatic story turns" = Galadriel and Halbrand are still in love, and are secretly long-lost twins. Meantime, Not Gandalf is arrested for wandering around with a tiny Harfoot. Elsewhere, whatshername and Kevin on Numenor take their relationship to new levels of drama by actually HOLDING EACH OTHER'S HANDS.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 03:59 (one year ago) link

Oh dear elven gods do we have to buckle in for another 50 hours of hearing the exaggerated rolled R in Numenorrrrrr and Galadrrrrrriel and Elrrrrrrond?

Like, wouldn't the world be better off if someone had broken into Tolkien's house or hobbit-hole or whatever and simply rrrrremoved the rrr key from his typewrrriterrr?

she loves me like a rock lobster (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link

The Lod of the Ings

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 05:18 (one year ago) link

let’s not go to MorrrrrRRH’dorrrrrrrrrrRRRHH’ afterrrh all

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link

'Tis a silly place

she loves me like a rock lobster (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 12:32 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Hahah no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCwmXY_f-e0

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

I know I'll watch this and hate myself for it

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

same

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:59 (two weeks ago) link

stupid sexy sauron

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 17:08 (two weeks ago) link

I can't remember if I finished this or not... It made the Hobbit trilogy look like Godfather II in comparison.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

if you didn't finish it, you missed the key part of the story re: Mordor

omar little, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

and therefore have no idea just how unfortunately literal that sentence is

omar little, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 18:29 (two weeks ago) link

sauron in his cunning:
https://toytales.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DCS_2201-MT.jpg

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 18:33 (two weeks ago) link

lmao omar

that is still one of the funniest scenes in recent memory

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 20:01 (two weeks ago) link

Oh god

your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 21:48 (two weeks ago) link

I will admittedly watch it, and will have a few laughs.

It's always good to remember that JJ Abrams is indirectly responsible for this.

omar little, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

The second age is weird, there's like two epic wars that could conclude this series. Is this show ending on the first one with the fall of Numenor? Or the 2nd one, where Gil-Galad and Elendil get YOU DIED Elden Ring style by Sauron on the slopes of Mt. Doom? Would like to hope it's limited to 3 seasons and you get the downfall of Numenor this year and the final season depicts the established peace afterwards, founding of Arnor and Gondor and then the final battle in Morder...

And then can we get a proper showrunner for the First Age and Fall of Gondolin? Or just make the latter into a sick 3 hour standalone film?

Also now I really want FromSoft to make a game that takes place in Middle Earth.

octobeard, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

All I want is a 12 episode Children of Hurin.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 00:02 (two weeks ago) link

Dare to dream

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 01:18 (two weeks ago) link

I’m not that invested in LotR so mostly wasn’t bothered by whatever bothered everyone about the first season. Except the last episode, which was really really bad.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

So...it's come to this:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/tom-bombadil-the-rings-of-power-first-look

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 14:52 (yesterday) link

least laughable fan theory to feature on-screen at last

mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 15:00 (yesterday) link

They seem to be operating with the assumption that Bombadil has to be one of the good guys.

jmm, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 16:05 (yesterday) link

no! NO!!

mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 16:15 (yesterday) link

hearing the showrunners have hired lin-manuel miranda to adapt tom bombadil’s songs for the screen

katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:18 (yesterday) link

counterpoint:

TOM BOMBADIL: Old Tom Bombadil is a merry...
[THE BEASTIE BOYS: FELLOW]
Bright blue his [JACKET] is
and his [BOOTS] are [YELLOW]

— 📻 King Boy T #OXO 🇵🇸 (@nailheadparty) August 13, 2021

mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:36 (yesterday) link

If they leaned in hard to this, it would automatically become the greatest adaptation yet, but.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:37 (yesterday) link

I appreciate the article's inclusion of Tolkien's statements over time being exasperated that fans refused to accept that Tom Bombadil was just this guy

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:51 (yesterday) link

just this guy (oldest, fatherless)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:57 (yesterday) link

Basically, this is him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC_dkbowus

Even Gandalf says if he was given the ring he'd probably just eat it or something although personally I think he'd just give it to Sauron either because he's the rightful owner, or maybe just to see what would happen.

Overtoun House windows (aldo), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:06 (yesterday) link

Even Elrond's like, "Oh yeah, that weird fuckin' guy."

jmm, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:22 (yesterday) link


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