The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power series

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Well here we go:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2316587

Key paragraphs:

Amazon today announced it has acquired the global television rights to The Lord of the Rings, based on the celebrated fantasy novels by J.R.R. Tolkien, with a multi-season commitment. The upcoming Amazon Prime Original will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust, HarperCollins and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment....

Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring. The deal includes a potential additional spin-off series.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:13 (four years ago) link

I nominate dmac as director.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:14 (four years ago) link

I hope it's an expanded adaptation of The Hobbit. Feel like there was a lot of underexplored threads in Jackson's sadly abbreviated version.

Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:20 (four years ago) link

Raggett so help me

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:53 (four years ago) link

I care for your employment prospects.

Anyway:

Amazon should make a sexy murder-mystery series about the elves and call it RIVENDELL

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) November 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:59 (four years ago) link

Will they finally find neeson a role is what I want to know

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:00 (four years ago) link

it's all sean bean this time, sorry

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:03 (four years ago) link

Liam Neeson as Bombadil, you know it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:03 (four years ago) link

Be great if this was all a scam and a cover to be nothing but Tom Bombadil. Seven seasons of it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (four years ago) link

Neeson would make a pretty solid Theoden, maybe.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (four years ago) link

"What did we actually get the rights TO?!"

"...a couple of poems?"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (four years ago) link

Goldberry taken by orcs

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:04 (four years ago) link

Neeson now too old for aragorn or boromir it surely too young yet for theoden

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:05 (four years ago) link

A neeson wizard now what would that look like I wonder

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:05 (four years ago) link

bombadil will at last get his futterwacken

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:06 (four years ago) link

By christ I try not to fp posters I like but

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:07 (four years ago) link

Neeson is i think the right age for Theoden, he's a solid 10 years older than Bernard Hill was when he filmed his role. though Neeson doesn't look it. i think if you beard him up he'd look the part.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:07 (four years ago) link

Literally over the hill

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:08 (four years ago) link

And at least twice as big as an underhill

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:09 (four years ago) link

either way this time around my request is they should lean a bit more on the spectral and ghostly and terrifying side of the Nazgul and less the screaming power metal side.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:09 (four years ago) link

And galadriel not to be a Halloween witch pls

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:14 (four years ago) link

"new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring" is incredibly fucking vague.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:14 (four years ago) link

Oh I think it lets you know exactly what we are in for.

Especially considering how they......"improved"....the hobbit

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:15 (four years ago) link

and featuring James Corden as Radagast the Brown

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:18 (four years ago) link

i've actually never read any of the posthumous ephemera other than The Silmarillion (which rules so hard)...

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:21 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure this will have more boobs in than PJ's version.

chap, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:09 (four years ago) link

I want to see the Snoke = Bombadil chronicles imo

https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:13 (four years ago) link

LotR isn't nearly horny enough source material for prestige tv, they'll have to work on that a bit

ciderpress, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:55 (four years ago) link

it is perhaps the least horny literature

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (four years ago) link

they paid $250m for this o_O

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (four years ago) link

If New Line Cinema's involved, does that mean that this is an extension of the Jackson movies?

jmm, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:39 (four years ago) link

it is perhaps the least horny literature

Don't worry, the fans have filled the gaps.

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 21:40 (four years ago) link

If New Line Cinema's involved, does that mean that this is an extension of the Jackson movies?

The exact nature of what's happening remains kinda maddeningly unclear. The two key factors:

1) As noted, to what extent is this an extension of the Jackson movie interpretations, with associated backstory (not always Tolkien's).

2) What is the estate's involvement, and what rights in question have been sold to what texts?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:43 (four years ago) link

The fact that Saul Zaentz's Tolkien Enterprises setup isn't mentioned at all is telling, but I'm not sure of the exact implications.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:43 (four years ago) link

Boromir often had the horn iirc

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 21:45 (four years ago) link

this is a very silly idea. the answer to making an LOTR series is certainly not to make it more "adult" in language or sexual content. If they want to make it more like GOT, why not zoom back 1000 years and focus on the wars between the men and Nazgul, focusing on the rise of the Witch King and the Fall of Arnor or something. That could be cool.

What isn't cool: hobbit sex.

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 November 2017 22:10 (four years ago) link

they haven't specifically said they're making it more adult tbf

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:18 (four years ago) link

and I'm not sure the Tolkien estate would sign off on something like that

Number None, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:23 (four years ago) link

S3, EP2:

Sam has an honest talk with Gollum. Eowyn has a realization about Aragorn. Theoden makes a fateful decision. Merry and Pippin travel south with a new friend.

omar little, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:25 (four years ago) link

"The One With the Mathoms"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 22:34 (four years ago) link

What isn't cool: hobbit sex.

You say that, but did you know that hobbit women all have thick hair on the top of their breasts? Changes everything.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:35 (four years ago) link

they haven't specifically said they're making it more adult tbf

― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 5:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and I'm not sure the Tolkien estate would sign off on something like that

― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 5:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was a report a few weeks back that they were going to take a darker, more thrones-like take on the subject matter, but it seems like they are going to go in a different direction.

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 November 2017 23:48 (four years ago) link

The goofy happy clown direction.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:49 (four years ago) link

the elves are immortal so they've all gotten tired of fucking already. they're over it

ciderpress, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:51 (four years ago) link

"When there's a whip there's a way."

"But you're not an orc."

"Context my dear Bilbo."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:56 (four years ago) link

LotR isn't nearly horny enough source material for prestige tv, they'll have to work on that a bit

― ciderpress, Monday, November 13, 2017 1:55 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is perhaps the least horny literature

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, November 13, 2017 1:58 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't worry, the fans have filled the gaps.

― Simon H., Monday, November 13, 2017 2:40 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The exact nature of what's happening remains kinda maddeningly unclear. The two key factors:

1) As noted, to what extent is this an extension of the Jackson movie interpretations, with associated backstory (not always Tolkien's).

2) What is the estate's involvement, and what rights in question have been sold to what texts?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, November 13, 2017 2:43 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Found it:

Amazon today announced it has acquired the global television rights to all The Lord of the Rings fan fiction based on the celebrated fantasy novels by J.R.R. Tolkien, with a multi-season commitment. The upcoming Amazon Prime Original will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust, HarperCollins, FantasyFuckz.biz, and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment....
Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new, sizzling-hot elf-sex storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring. The deal includes potential additional spin-off series.

The Lays of Beleriand indeed!

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 02:12 (four years ago) link

Beren & Luthien & Carol & Bob

eeshTrip (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 02:15 (four years ago) link

they paid $250m for this o_O
― Number None, Monday, November 13, 2017 8:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Legend of the Seeker" would have gone for a song.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:45 (four years ago) link

BATTLEFIELD HAM dekalogy or gtfo

mark s, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:48 (four years ago) link

or else one of her dullard swordplay pupils runs her through bcz of clumsiness

mark s, Saturday, 24 September 2022 20:19 (five days ago) link

still low-key enjoying the competition for most insufferable: elendil vs gil galad

mark s, Saturday, 24 September 2022 20:26 (five days ago) link

'we have reason to suspect a passing brigand"

how is this middle-earth's major sea power

mark s, Saturday, 24 September 2022 20:43 (five days ago) link

well THAT was a fucking trudge

mark s, Saturday, 24 September 2022 21:11 (five days ago) link

This thing looks good (still) but I'm beginning to lose interest.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 24 September 2022 21:12 (five days ago) link

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power *(Rings Not Included in this Series)

mark s, Saturday, 24 September 2022 21:15 (five days ago) link

'we have reason to suspect a passing brigand"

= hark a vagrant

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 September 2022 21:54 (five days ago) link

instant classic

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 24 September 2022 21:59 (five days ago) link

i’ve seen the first three minutes or so of the first episode and that was enuf for me

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 24 September 2022 22:00 (five days ago) link

A cut towards the end between Gil-Galad and Halbrand, both full of dark, boring, secrets.

I also regret to inform you I've remembered who Isildur reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh2xe4jnpk

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 24 September 2022 23:18 (five days ago) link

lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 September 2022 23:44 (five days ago) link

We at the podcast have taken all this under advisement. (We record our first episode since the series started tomorrow. I suspect we will be somewhat sweary.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 September 2022 00:01 (four days ago) link

so i dremt there was a big ilx conference dedicated to predicting what was going to be in each ep of every coming series of the benighted and dumm elf show

i will not share with you many of the details of this dream (it was a big ilx conference, it was superficially friendly but also panicked and dorky and paid the highest poster attention to the wrong detail; also i was not really paying attention to my own dream tbrr)

but i will say THIS: someone at this conference proved by science (printing out their own tweets) that there would be an entire episode that was just a tom bombadil song and this better happen or like, fvck everything

mark s, Sunday, 25 September 2022 09:18 (four days ago) link

Hahah a true vision.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 September 2022 13:17 (four days ago) link

I pledge myself to you, Sauron!

You’re Sauron, right?

*guy on screen doing the same grasping at straws as feckless viewers*

mh, Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:17 (four days ago) link

also that guy appeared to be called baldrick

mark s, Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:23 (four days ago) link

Waldreg according to the subtitles that I have on for an ever-increasing amount of the stuff I watch - it did raise the question of what percentage of the giant orc armies are just dudes in orc-like masks, like Joker henchmen.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:28 (four days ago) link

Also amused that between Celebrimbor and Kemen Kevin we're getting old and young Michael Palin.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:36 (four days ago) link

haradwaith with michael palin

mark s, Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:41 (four days ago) link

Isildur just seems woefully miscast, no matter how young he’s meant to be.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 26 September 2022 01:56 (three days ago) link

I think the proximate problem is not so much that’s he’s miscast (although he might be) as that he’s not a good actor?

The guy playing ser christon Cole in the dragon thing would be better.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 September 2022 02:35 (three days ago) link

what is the collective noun for SAURONS? a thrakatulûk of saurons

anyway so far we have at least five (not enough)

1: halbrand!
evidence: association with southlands, shitty behaviour on the raft, currently in numenor and abt to take a controlling role in a naval enterprise to the glory of ar-pharazon (as he isn't yet known)
2: adar aka oren!
evidence: terrible skin, orc boss, moody, gothy, baldrick thinks he's sauron
3: yung gandalf!
evidence: actually can't be gandalf if you go by some "official" timelines, ice magic, ambiguous conversation with nori, it's kind of boring if he's just gandalf hobbit-pal
4: the creepy elf-looking dude examining the crater!
evidence: when we saw him in the promo everyone turned to their date and said "that's yung sauron" (but i think it's yung saruman)
5: theo!
evidence: haircut with the swagger of the stone roses, carries that thing around

mark s, Monday, 26 September 2022 13:18 (three days ago) link

It turns out that Sauron was *us* all along

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 26 September 2022 17:17 (three days ago) link

Kind of a perverse achievement on the show's part that no matter who Sauron turns out to be, it'll be disappointing and weird

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 26 September 2022 17:20 (three days ago) link

An amazing achievement.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 September 2022 17:22 (three days ago) link

"How do we tank ourselves further?" "Got just the idea."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 September 2022 17:22 (three days ago) link

Adar definitely needs to release an album on Projekt

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 26 September 2022 17:46 (three days ago) link

Anyway my cohost Jared has another thread up. Not wrong.

no more lore
society has progressed beyond the need for worldbuilding

— Jared Pechaček (@vandroidhelsing) September 26, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 September 2022 18:38 (three days ago) link

hear, hear! not everything has to be LORE, stuff can just be. and in fact, the most magic bits of stories are often the inexplicable bits. See: Tom Bombadil/how much it would actually suck to have a "The Lord of the Rings: Tom Bombadil: Origins" show.

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 26 September 2022 19:06 (three days ago) link

lmao I’m not enough of a Tolkien guy to know that they made up that entire mithril thing for the show

amazing

mh, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:11 (three days ago) link

I know the confused meteor wizard guy will turn out to be Someone Important, but it would be a lot funnier if his character remains exactly as he has been and they just never develop that plot line

I also believe they should have two full episodes that have no characters other than Tom Bombadil and his wife. Scratch that, a couple of the faux hobbits, too

mh, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:18 (three days ago) link

the two "bombadil: fatherless wife guy" eps are both musicals

mark s, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:41 (three days ago) link

confused meteor wizard guy is déagol

mark s, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:42 (three days ago) link

anyway so far we have at least five (not enough)

Sauron on the Orient Express

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 26 September 2022 21:08 (three days ago) link

anyway so far we have at least five (not enough)

Sauron on the Orient Express

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 26 September 2022 21:08 (three days ago) link

highlevel intellectual sleuthing from comicbook dot com: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/rings-of-power-secret-sauron-suspects-ranked/

p sure it's actually not baldrick but

mark s, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 07:51 (two days ago) link

anyway so far we have at least five (not enough)

Have we actually seen enough of Lenny O'Henrys magic book to discount him?

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 08:44 (two days ago) link

Shame a show trying so hard not to be racist is so weighed down with the concept of blood guilt.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 00:54 (yesterday) link

lenny henry as sauron: i am totally into the idea that the One Ring is actually only ever large enough to fit on a halfling's finger

the evidence? smeagol! bilbo! frodo! lenny henry as sauron! NO ONE ELSE

all the images of a towering dark fiery armoured figure are elvish and/or numenorean propaganda! you couldn't see how big he was when he wore it and after isidur cut if off the massed armies of gil galad (aka pil galad) and etc weren't going to say "and it turned out he was tiny and scurried away into the bushes!")

mark s, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:31 (yesterday) link

“three rings for the elven-kings under the sky,
seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
nine for mortal men, doomed to die,
and a wee one for the Dark Lord on his tiny tiny throne"

mark s, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:39 (yesterday) link

Not sure if this was already posted but looks like we might be finding out this week

Evil reveals itself. #TheRingsOfPower only on @PrimeVideo. pic.twitter.com/UTM2w7ZhPF

— The Lord of the Rings on Prime (@LOTRonPrime) September 23, 2022

groovypanda, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:45 (yesterday) link

that's number seven

mark s, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 11:03 (yesterday) link

Finding this a very pretty, silly & chill thing to watch (entry stance: cool on Tolkien generally, actively dislike his high style, don't much care about the lore).

Absolutely love Morfydd Clark, just hypnotically watchable or maybe listenable - surprising vowels and stresses and then so good at the trilled 'r's. Her expressions are good too, so it can't all be down to that, but I go a bit ecoutez-repetez when she delivers a line in a way I enjoy. Obviously do not watch this me, I am annoying.

otoh can't really get over the issue that's briefly mentioned upthread: is this thing (I'd assume unintentionally) saying that hobbits evolved from Irish/Irish Traveller primitive foragers into stout yeoman Middle Englanders? I'm not exploring ~the discourse~ outside this thread but are people generally ok with that, or happy treating it as mildly insensitive accident? I could probably swallow the oirish nonsense if that evolution didn't seem implicit.

woof, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 11:43 (yesterday) link

if we turn to the EXTANT LORE *everyone screams*: the shire hobbits and the anduin-based harfoots are iirc already from distinct strains of some long-lost ur-halfling type?

ie the latter didn't migrate west and settle down to become the former, they simply dwindled (= eaten by orcs, ents, beorn, durin's folk, teleporno)

mark s, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 12:28 (yesterday) link

ok cool I'll take it

woof, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 13:25 (yesterday) link

*pushes up glasses* The Shirefolk are a blend of strains, these being the Harfoots, the Stoors, and the Fallohides.

So presumably the show-Harfoots are meant to be the ancestors of Frodo & co. but only one branch. I'm a bit curious if we'll ever see the other branches.

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 13:26 (yesterday) link

so in fact some shire hobbits may be eligible for a harfoot passport. Thank you, this is becoming clearer.

woof, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 13:35 (yesterday) link

Hey, applicability not allegory, buddy. (But I kid the etc.)

Shame a show trying so hard not to be racist is so weighed down with the concept of blood guilt.

We at the podcast couldn't agree more.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:15 (yesterday) link

Absolutely love Morfydd Clark, just hypnotically watchable or maybe listenable - surprising vowels and stresses and then so good at the trilled 'r's. Her expressions are good too, so it can't all be down to that, but I go a bit ecoutez-repetez when she delivers a line in a way I enjoy.

well, there is a tempest in her and the tempest is always right

scanner darkly, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 19:41 (yesterday) link


“three rings for the elven-kings under the sky,
seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
nine for mortal men, doomed to die,
and a wee one for the Dark Lord on his tiny tiny throne"

so sauron mistake was basically pissing off hobbits by not creating a ring for them which forced them to take his instead and then destroy it out of spite

scanner darkly, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 20:08 (yesterday) link


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