WHOCHURCH: The Chris Chibnall era

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have at it, folx

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:42 (one week ago) Permalink

So are we looking forward to this? I'm liking the new-broom approach to the casting/costume, and much as I enjoyed the last series (a lot), the fact that it ended with two incarnations of the Master in a Cybermen origins story that culminated in a surprise appearance from the Hartnell Doctor indicates a freshen up might be in order.

But jesus, Chibnall's previous Doctor Who sits on a spectrum of bland to poor - some of the most unmemorable episodes in recent memory. Or am I being pessimistic?

(cheeky plug: we review Chibnall's Silurian two-parter on the most recent edition of my Doctor Who podcast - http://www.illexplainlater.com/post/166422653503/episode-27-land-of-make-believe - where we discussed some of this stuff...)

bamboohouses, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:02 (one week ago) Permalink

v much looking forward to seeing how jodie whittaker plays it, v much apprehensive about everything else

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:04 (one week ago) Permalink

The whole show has been feeling very tired and in need of a new injection of ideas for quite some time now. On the other hand I've never seen Broadchurch and most of the episodes Chibnall had written have felt like mid-series filler so I dunno if he's the guy to provide them.

Matt DC, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:10 (one week ago) Permalink

The incredibly shoddy photoshopped TARDIS behind Whitaker's Mork cosplay in the promo photo sets the tone for exactly the level of quality I expect from ol' Chinballs.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Boring writer doesn't neccessariy mean boring showrunner, I'm hoping.

chap, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I am excited the same way I am excited for any new actor who takes on the role of the Doctor. I'm also looking forward to the Doctor-companion interaction and which parts will change and which parts will stay the same. I also enjoyed most of Chibnall's Who stories and think his worst work appeared in the first season of Torchwood.

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I did read somewhere that he was planning to have more season-long storylines, which is the opposite direction things should be going in imo. A series of only very loosely connected, straighforward one and two parters each written by a different good writer would do the job fine.

chap, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:26 (one week ago) Permalink

I get that on the one hand, but on the other hand the current Golden Age of Television is really strong on bingeable serialized stories that last the whole season, plus his biggest critical praise came from doing that with Broadchurch.

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I think the problem with recent Doctor Who arcs is that they're neither fish nor fowl - an awkward mix of 'arc episodes' and deliberately less important standalones that fails to really build to any sort of dramatic crescendo or are rushed at the final stages. I'd be fine with either 10 completely discrete episodes or a single 10-part story (an updated spin on The Daleks' Masterplan would suit me very nicely).

bamboohouses, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:36 (one week ago) Permalink

I think RTD's first season was the only to really pull off its "arc" - unless you count the Riversong episodes as a single story (and why not - at least "Wedding..." finally gave it a satisfying ending).

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:49 (one week ago) Permalink

S1 barely had an arc, just some flash frames of graffiti shot later on and inserted into episodes months after they'd been written

S5 had a fantastic, coherent, satisfyingly complicated plot arc (only undermined by Rory's prop badge), and the first two Capaldi years together pulled off successful parallel character arcs

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:57 (one week ago) Permalink

TBH I'd be happy to settle for the show being fun again and it hasn't felt like that for ages.

Matt DC, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:01 (one week ago) Permalink

^ x1000000
i may try again now

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Maybe I read too many Virgin/BBC novels but I can't point at a single season of the reboot that I would say is anti-fun, including Tennant's first season (which is the only one I haven't seen every episode of despite owning multiple copies of it)

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:38 (one week ago) Permalink

lost me with matt smith, tried again with capaldi and still found it a slog

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Can we count the 2008-2010 specials?

xp ulysses you crazy, Matt Smith's first season was the best yet.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

i agree, first matt smith season is one of the most classic

I demand much less from Who then all of you. I'm happy if it's marginally entertaining which it consistently is. I don't care for her suspenders, but I like her coat, and I think she'll be an interesting doctor. I'm more concerned with three full time companions; that pushes this too far into an ensemble which makes me wonder if they will let her carry the show or not.

akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

the ONE thing I did grow tired of under Moffatt was the manic pace of every episode though. LIke, 1000 things would happen in some of those smith episodes and they just got impossible to follow. Broadchurch, like it or hate it, has a much more staid pace that I hope he brings to the show.

akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

I look at it as back to basics with the caveat that the show has often struggled to juggle story arcs for the Doctor and three full-time companions (the most notorious example I can remember being "Kinda", where Nyssa spends the entire story napping in the TARDIS and pops up at the end asking "hey, did I miss anything?")

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

If they do it with Bradley Walsh every week I'm all in.

nashwan, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Hot take: Bradley Walsh will be good in this.

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Whooch.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I 100% know Bradley from The Chase (not the Doctor Who story) - what is he like when not being really annoyingly anti-intellectual all the time?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:17 (one week ago) Permalink

in cases like this (like with james corden, when he appeared on Who) I'm glad I'm not english and don't have the full context of how annoying this person is supposed to be (I liked corden's turn on who a lot. now that he's inflicted on the US with his own show, I see why people are tired of him though)

akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:19 (one week ago) Permalink

CHURCHWOOD

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:24 (one week ago) Permalink

"an updated spin on The Daleks' Masterplan"

The Master's Dalek Plan

Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:19 (one week ago) Permalink

^irl giggle

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 10 November 2017 08:31 (one week ago) Permalink

CHURCHWOOD

it was early in the day and i have... no idea what i meant by this

re chibnall: i'm excited that it's essentially a minor ~reboot~ (god knows this show needs it) but chibnall's writing has never done anything for me. cyberwoman was one of the worst things that has ever happened, although to be fair it was a really long time ago.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 10 November 2017 08:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Bradley Walsh is a decent actor. He'll be fine.

ailsa, Friday, 10 November 2017 10:41 (one week ago) Permalink

I worry that being Bradley Walsh gameshow host who's never off the telly might overshadow his acting ability.

Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:01 (one week ago) Permalink

re chibnall: i'm excited that it's essentially a minor ~reboot~ (god knows this show needs it) but chibnall's writing has never done anything for me. cyberwoman was one of the worst things that has ever happened, although to be fair it was a really long time ago.

"Cyberwoman" was terrible but "Exit Wounds", "Countrycide" and, to a lesser degree, "Fragments" were great. I also think his weakest Who story is "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" which I still enjoyed a lot because of how silly it was.

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:28 (one week ago) Permalink

He was chirpy never-off-the-telly gameshow host while he was doing Law & Order UK and it didn't seem to have much of an impact on him then.

xpost

ailsa, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:55 (one week ago) Permalink

dan otm, chibnall's writing didn't stay at "cyberwoman" level thank god. also yeah, it feels wrong bagging "dinosaurs" because it was only ever meant to be the thing that it was. moffat/the bbc clearly wanted silly escapist quasi-blockbusters and that's what the writers delivered.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:32 (one week ago) Permalink

How much Gatiss are we expecting this time round?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 10 November 2017 23:14 (one week ago) Permalink

i have seen a lot of lols about the new Doctor’s outfit on FB & elsewhere & it is making me annoyed

her look is on point & awesome
the short trousers with tall boots is such a great look esp with her height & propotions etc, and stripes are great & suspenders are cool wtf is wrong with ppl arg

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 November 2017 00:47 (one week ago) Permalink

don’t you get it veg she’s feeeeeeemale

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:17 (one week ago) Permalink

grrr

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:30 (one week ago) Permalink

suspenders are a 'little' costumey and it felt a bit like we were past costumey with capaldi, but I like her coat alot and I'm not sure what people have against culottes, I think they are cute on women.

akm, Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:41 (one week ago) Permalink

suspenders are great on those who are shaped to accomodate them and horrific for everyone else, any suspender backlash is just indicative of the 90% of the population who can't wear them or who tried and failed
if you can pull them off (and Jodi Whittaker definitely can) I say put the pedal to the metal and go for it

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:47 (one week ago) Permalink

otfm

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 11 November 2017 05:16 (one week ago) Permalink

(to whittaker pulling off the look)

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 11 November 2017 05:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Otfm

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:39 (one week ago) Permalink

(to me wearing suspenders)

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:40 (one week ago) Permalink

The coast is very Took Baker but with some Davison styling, especially around the lapels. The striped shirt also goes with the retro give.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:41 (one week ago) Permalink

*coat

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:42 (one week ago) Permalink

*Tom Baker

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:42 (one week ago) Permalink

*retro vibe

Entree 3000 (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:43 (one week ago) Permalink

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:45 (one week ago) Permalink

“Took Baker Coast”, the new contribution from Mark Gatiss

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 11 November 2017 08:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Also a cape is in fairness a costume.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 11 November 2017 08:42 (one week ago) Permalink

How much Gatiss are we expecting this time round?

zero

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Saturday, 11 November 2017 09:22 (one week ago) Permalink

suspenders??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 November 2017 09:49 (one week ago) Permalink

lol yeah was going to say, made me double take, but i think that US use is fairly interchangeable with braces these days.

Fizzles, Saturday, 11 November 2017 09:59 (one week ago) Permalink

'these days' jesus.

Fizzles, Saturday, 11 November 2017 10:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Lol @ hypothetical british person when the first they read about female doctor who's outfit is a 'Murican saying she's in suspenders

O tempora, o mores

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 11 November 2017 11:17 (one week ago) Permalink

"The striped shirt also goes with the retro vibe" the colors are from Baker's scarf

"suspenders??" = braces

akm, Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:11 (one week ago) Permalink

My reservations about the new iteration of Who are pretty much all due to Broadchurch, which I did not like. I don't know how you create a show starring Olivia Colman and David Tennant that I do not enjoy watching, but bravo, Chibnall.

Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Braces are a bit Matt Smith era but w/e. Her outfit should evolve or switch a few times as it did with all recent Docs. I guess shades are out for a while but I am hoping for more hats.

nashwan, Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:59 (one week ago) Permalink

BTW I would be pleased as punch to have a season full of "Dinosaurs in Space."

Entree 3000 (Leee), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:50 (five days ago) Permalink

Are they also planning to switch up the score a bit? the sound design has been stale for years imo

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:31 (five days ago) Permalink

would love to hear the Ólafur Arnalds take on the theme & etc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:31 (five days ago) Permalink

oh that would be super

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:35 (five days ago) Permalink

i thought I saw that Murray Gold was leaving but dunno

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:02 (five days ago) Permalink

i thought I saw that Murray Gold was leaving but dunno

― akm,

Great new if true. I'd love the score to be fully performed on vintage synths but what are the chances.

chap, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:24 (five days ago) Permalink

The new score will be the soundtrack to Final Fantasy VII

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 20:24 (five days ago) Permalink

Gold leaving been a very strong rumour for 6 months now. I think he might announce after Christmas he won't be back, although you probably won't be able to hear his announcement over the background music.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:04 (five days ago) Permalink

if Gold leaves it's seven years too late

if only I4n L3vine wanted to bother commissioning Paul Hartnoll to rescore the entire Moffatt era

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:15 (five days ago) Permalink


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