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i am learning welsh obviously (plus brushing up french)

the welsh is going badly -- french is telling me i am 24% fluent, which is a fib imo

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:23 (four years ago) link

should I install this and see how bad my German has become, y/n

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:28 (four years ago) link

(I'm already downloading it)

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (four years ago) link

Duolingo is a great way to absorb language basics and grammar rules, but once you have that stuff down and are in the mode of adding vocabulary I found it kind of inefficient.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (four years ago) link

xp You will learn many duck-related German sentences ime

JoeStork, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:32 (four years ago) link

i have been surprised how much french i still know in terms of vocab: my grammar was and is terrible

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:33 (four years ago) link

polyphonic otm, I finished the French tree and have never gone back, currently use Memrise (and used Lingvist until I ran out of words) to build vocab

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:35 (four years ago) link

in welsh i have discovered nothing about ducks but i have encountered a DRAGON (draig)

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:38 (four years ago) link

I completed the Japanese Duolingo and it is good for absorbing things by wrote but I grew frustrated with never having any of the grammar explained to me. It’s provided a good base.

There’s some more discussion of Duolingo

Do You Speak A Second Language?
日本語は話せます 🇯🇵

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (four years ago) link

pimsleur >> duolingo

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (four years ago) link

well but Duolingo is free

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:44 (four years ago) link

honestly DL is more like a fun app that helps you read stuff in a foreign language

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (four years ago) link

huh 46% fluent

not bad I guess

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (four years ago) link

Was going to say, however tell me more about why pimsleur is good? Everything else I have been trying has been lower cost but really falls down on getting me to speak. I’d pay for some live interaction.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:51 (four years ago) link

I used to be fluent in Portuguese but haven't used in 20 years - wonder if this could get me back on my bullshit.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:27 (four years ago) link

Duolingo fluency shield suffers from grade inflation especially when you are progressing through, say, the first third of the course or have just taken the placement test. At some points if starts to drop off and decay and you may regret giving into your ex-clever schoolboy’s craving for this particular form of external gratification.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:49 (four years ago) link

Think last word should have been "validation."

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:00 (four years ago) link

whenever i type "nos lau" (thursday night) it tells me i have a typo and that the correct spelling is "nos lau"

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:20 (four years ago) link

Did you type a lower case “el” (wrong) or a capital “eye” (correct)?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:42 (four years ago) link

oh right that makes sense yes

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:43 (four years ago) link

That was really it?

Some of the answers in some of the courses are messed up so that it will tell you about an alternate answer or typo which seems to be dependent on some punctuation, or even some other “invisible punctuation.” There seem to even be cases where it is supposed to accept some letters from say, a standard English alphabet, without certain diacritical and just tell you to “mind the accents” but it gets into some looking glass world where it doesn’t accept the correct foreign alphabet letter. Feel like I️ saw this happen in Turkish, with the non-dotted i, the ı.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:56 (four years ago) link

i haven't gone back in and checked but yes, it's quite likely tha:, since i realised when i read yr post that i was listening to DL's pronunciation of Iau and thinking "wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?" -- based on assuming my grasp of welsh pronunciation is actually worse than it is

(the pronunciation i learnt as a kid IS different to the version they're using: spoken welsh has surprisingly strong regional variation: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/13474058/Dialects-much-more-than-a-simple-north-south-divide)

(but it's not really the consonants that vary)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (four years ago) link

Ah, some weird keyboard autocorrect is now putting something strange when I type the letter capital “eye” I.

Speaking of which, at some point iOS seems to have added a Welsh keyboard, which may um, assist you in your answers.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (four years ago) link

"wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?"

or maybe the other way round, anyway i was struck by how different their pronunciation was than mine would be -- which is because i was misreading the letter

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:06 (four years ago) link

Sometimes wonder if the Welsh as taught is just some sort of approximation standard that is in fact spoken by no one at all, like Bokmål/Nynorsk, I️ think.

How is your pronunciation of the letter double el?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:12 (four years ago) link

Ach, still the weird “ego problem” or “ego trip” with the capital eye. Think I️ need to delete my autocorrect dictionary.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:13 (four years ago) link

Tom, delete ILX all my bookmarks my autocorrect dictionary now!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:15 (four years ago) link

Ah, that didn’t seem to work. I’m stymied.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:16 (four years ago) link

my double ll pronunciation is p good i think! the nearest large town to where we went on family holidays when i was a kid is machynlleth and i know how ppl who live in it say it

this was before welsh was actually taught in schools -- indeed, it was actively discouraged in schools back then, and i know someone who was made to leave school at 16 because he preferred to speak welsh (as did his entire family, of hill farmers)

(he became a mechanic and a builder, and is now very comfortably off and owns half the town)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:18 (four years ago) link

Ah. I have never been in the presence of a Welsh speaker as far as I know, apart from John Cale at an instore.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:25 (four years ago) link

I against I against I

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:27 (four years ago) link

(Had to chose the *RONG* spelling for each of those eyes to get the correct one)

Seems to me the pronunciation of Welsh, especially the “ll,” involves a lot more spittle than, say, English.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:30 (four years ago) link

At one point I was having some problems with the days of the week with when to put the word for day in there, such as “dydd Iau.” Seem to have sorted it, can’t remember what the problem really was.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:39 (four years ago) link

The other thing to remember of course about the “i” is that the word for Thursday starts with j for Jupiter-or Jove! do u see?! in most Romance languages.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:47 (four years ago) link

yes i haven't worked out when not to use Dydd yet!

(tho i also haven't yet been marked wrong on either, and have been assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that they are effectively interchangeable, at least in this limited context)

ooh handy steer on the root of the day names, i'd spotted they were "a bit like French" but hadn't taken it any further

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:50 (four years ago) link

To throw a spanner in your welsh works - Memrise has a course in Belter Cant.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 11:01 (four years ago) link

Sut mae, Marc? Sut dych chi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:13 (four years ago) link

Dych chi eisiau coffi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (four years ago) link

Learning Dutch thru this atm and I like it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (four years ago) link

Hartelijk gefeliciteerd!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:25 (four years ago) link

Both the Dutch and Welsh courses have been spruced up in the past few months, so you guys are on the cutting edge.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:27 (four years ago) link

/too much time on Duolingo

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 02:50 (four years ago) link

"The grapheme k was also used more commonly than in the modern alphabet, particularly before front vowels.[3] The disuse of this letter is at least partly due to the publication of William Morgan's Welsh Bible, whose English printers, with type letter frequencies set for English and Latin, did not have enough k letters in their type cases to spell every /k/ sound as k, so the order went "C for K, because the printers have not so many as the Welsh requireth";[5] this was not liked at the time, but has become standard usage."

"why doesn't welsh have the letter k?"
"we ran out that one time and never restocked"

mark s, Thursday, 9 November 2017 09:46 (four years ago) link

grrrr i am just as bad now at grammatical gender in french as i was aged 13: le cheval but la souris whyyyyyyyyyyyy pourquooooooiii

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:06 (four years ago) link

some rules and patterns here (but of course no clue why le cheval but la souris):
http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/grammar/le_or_la_in_french.shtml

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:07 (four years ago) link

my devoted year+ on duolingo french got me enough of the basics that I was able to get a civil servant job in France where I speak French full time. it helped that I was living in France most of that time and that I'd already spent a lot of time reading french (or trying to, with much dictionary use) and that I already spoke Spanish pretty well (son of a native speaker but didn't grow up speaking it, only learned it in school). so I am yay duolingo!

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

although I think the japanese accent is easier than the french accent, so duolingo may be ok in that regard (japanese mostly sounds like it looks, unlike french)

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 10 November 2017 15:55 (four years ago) link

I'm doing German which I'm already sorta conversational in as my Dad is from there. I wasn't raised speaking it though and what I do know is only what I've picked up listening to him speak with friends and relatives and the times that I've spent there. I'm really enjoying it so far though and am excited to improve :).

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:03 (four years ago) link

i just discovered the chats-with-bots feature (after several days of just ignoring the you-have-mail signal): i like that it goes "excellent response!" after what is (in another, more accurate sense) a pretty basic not-actually-rude response

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 16:14 (four years ago) link

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

I can recommend the ‘Human Japanese’ App for this.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:29 (four years ago) link

Just thought of the most obvious dumb and bare minimum way to preserve streak everyday

Ride into the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 June 2022 12:50 (three months ago) link

Also somebody told me the other day about preply, which seems to be very similar to italki.

Ride into the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:07 (three months ago) link

Major revamp rollout

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 July 2022 22:21 (two months ago) link

How do I shot 2X boosts?

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:05 (two months ago) link

some new minigames (see how many you can match) and "daily quests" and animations and stuff...and now I am not merely Duo Plus. I am Super Duo

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:19 (two months ago) link

they added a "perfect lesson boost" for 100 gems, which gives you +10xp for perfect lesson for the next 15 minutes.

honestly, sounds like the kind of thing i would only use if i was falling off of diamond league on sunday night and i was feeling desperate

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:21 (two months ago) link

in other words - hell yeah! when you're feeling the heat in duolingo, you will take any advantage available

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:22 (two months ago) link

But have you seen the Nu-Nu Duo yet? I kind of hate the Match Mini-Game. It goes too fast for my brane.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:34 (two months ago) link

yeah, i was kind of stressed out by the end of it! but if this is how i can finally tell people that i would like another orange juice please and that the green dresses are very pretty, this is what i have to do.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 July 2022 23:37 (two months ago) link

Think maybe I am kind of liking this new upgrade. We will see.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 July 2022 12:20 (two months ago) link

Some courses got longer, some way longer.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 July 2022 14:14 (two months ago) link

Some voices got treble, some voices got bass.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 July 2022 14:27 (two months ago) link

https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/6448984613773-Guide-to-understanding-Duolingo-s-new-learning-path

Guidebook

At the start of each unit is a guidebook packed with grammar tips and useful phrases. The guidebook can be accessed any time, even when you complete the unit. NOTE: Guidebooks are not available for all languages.

Note the note.

Mr. Art-I-Ficial (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:12 (two months ago) link

Basically think I may prefer this new path version. Not really missing the tips and notes that much since I found them hard to use and ulitimately gave up on them. Wonder if anyone is going to go ahead a write the guidebook for any of the smaller languages, that would be really nice, but I am doubtful.

Mr. Art-I-Ficial (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:14 (two months ago) link

What we have here is failure to communicate BILINGUALLY!

L.M.N.O.P.Q. Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2022 00:16 (two months ago) link

(Strother Martin, I know, I know)

L.M.N.O.P.Q. Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2022 00:17 (two months ago) link

The new pathfinder version, which only I seem to have in my circle of friends, basically flattens out the tree which is why any uncompleted tree gets much longer. Still mostly enjoying it, eliminates some of the illusion of choice.

L.H.O.O.Q. Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 14:25 (two months ago) link

Really enjoying the Finnish course right now

Meme for an Imaginary Western (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 July 2022 20:49 (two months ago) link

Currently have 7777 XP for the week- four sevens clash!

Meme for an Imaginary Western (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 July 2022 21:11 (two months ago) link

I addition to the new single path layout, there is also a feature for some languages to be able to save words and study them through Word Play, although the app sometimes gets confused about which language it is looking at

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 August 2022 22:10 (one month ago) link

Seems to be on for Italian, Portuguese and Turkish, although this last one gets mixed up and will take words from other languages.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 August 2022 22:11 (one month ago) link

Don’t know if I should tell you how many XPs I have this week.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 August 2022 23:20 (one month ago) link

It was north of 16K but I can’t sustain that.

In other news, now the single path version allows an easier, low-scoring practice on the individual stepping stones which I find useful, although I usually only do it right behind wherever I am in the path.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 August 2022 12:09 (one month ago) link

top guy in my league right now has 15K points this week, with another day to go. El hombre se encanta estudiar espańol mucho.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:11 (one month ago) link

i'm still a little confused by the "single path layout" you're talking about james! i did update my app (to super duper lingo) a few weeks ago and some things changed, but for Spanish the overall layout looks the same. Here's a screenshot of where I am now. It's probably what everyone does but I like to build up my skills to _LEGENDARY_ before going on. my usual practice is to level up 3-4 different skills in waves, like this:

https://i.imgur.com/GrSEG4T.jpg

When I level one up to 4, I'll bring the next one to 3, the next to 2, and then a new one up to 1, then back to the 4 to bring it to 5/legendary, etc. it's slow but I find that it helps me to retain what I'm learning when I do a few different skills at once rather than focusing in on one.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:15 (one month ago) link

i can't believe i'm only just now nearing Checkpoint 2 after months of daily usage, but i'm pysched as hell to see what's beyond the the checkpoint. i'm assuming there will be peggle and free prizes, things of that nature

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:16 (one month ago) link

if anyone wants to be my duolingo pal, i'm @weinventyou

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:24 (one month ago) link

Yay Karl, added you. I'm jaq.m there. I've been working on Spanish forever pero muy despacio and with a very big gap, still a long way from checkpoint 2.

Jaq, Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:03 (one month ago) link

it takes forever! plus i've barely even listened to any of the "Stories". those are actually pretty fun, I just always forget they're there!

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:24 (one month ago) link

Looks like you still have the old layout.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:16 (one month ago) link

To get all teh XPs I kind of had to use a lot of 2X multipliers and build up (in the new format) things to Legendary from the lower levels in multiple languages. I really don't know how people do it week after week in a single language or what the point is.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:18 (one month ago) link

I'm tempted to use this to start learning Finnish. My hesitation is that such a different language probably requires an actual native (or native fluent) speaker to teach it properly.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:19 (one month ago) link

I think the Finnish course is pretty good. Much better than the Hungarian course, to name one.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 August 2022 21:37 (one month ago) link

Duking it out for third place in the Diamond League *Finals*

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 August 2022 20:33 (one month ago) link

Okay, think I burned through almost all of my easy Xpoints.

I’d Rather Gorblimey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2022 15:04 (one month ago) link

Really came to say that Finnish seems like one of those languages like Norwegian where the offiicial language one is taught differs a lot from the main spoken variants.

I’d Rather Gorblimey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2022 15:05 (one month ago) link

Still liking this Finnish course though

I’d Rather Gorblimey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 August 2022 03:01 (one month ago) link

French has started kicking my ass on complicated reflexives. I’ve mi ex in to German for now.

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 3 September 2022 15:48 (three weeks ago) link

*moved on to* German

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 3 September 2022 15:49 (three weeks ago) link

I like "mi ex in." Maybe you should do your own conlang.

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:35 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve gone back to Norwegian for a bit

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

Or should I say: Mi in ex to Norwegian?

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 15:34 (three weeks ago) link

I assume you will all get the new home screen soon. I like it for some languages. For others I rebooted them to reset to a lower level, although in one case it came out again to the same level.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:53 (one week ago) link

Looking at some of the Duolingo FB groups as well as discord servers. Not sure how I feel about either.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 18:24 (one week ago) link

Haven't seen the new home screen yet. It seems like with every change to the UI they change the owl too, and it annoys me. Muscle owl in the ads for Duolingo Xtreme (or whatever it's called now) is very disturbing.

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 19:34 (one week ago) link

You mean Super Duolingo?

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 19:38 (one week ago) link

First blush it seems that the FB groups are more useful than the Discord servers. Who knew?

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 20:24 (one week ago) link

Yeah, Super Duolingo

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 20:32 (one week ago) link


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