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i am learning welsh obviously (plus brushing up french)

the welsh is going badly -- french is telling me i am 24% fluent, which is a fib imo

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:23 (one year ago) link

should I install this and see how bad my German has become, y/n

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:28 (one year ago) link

(I'm already downloading it)

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (one year ago) link

Duolingo is a great way to absorb language basics and grammar rules, but once you have that stuff down and are in the mode of adding vocabulary I found it kind of inefficient.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (one year ago) link

xp You will learn many duck-related German sentences ime

JoeStork, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:32 (one year ago) link

i have been surprised how much french i still know in terms of vocab: my grammar was and is terrible

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:33 (one year ago) link

polyphonic otm, I finished the French tree and have never gone back, currently use Memrise (and used Lingvist until I ran out of words) to build vocab

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:35 (one year ago) link

in welsh i have discovered nothing about ducks but i have encountered a DRAGON (draig)

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:38 (one year ago) link

I completed the Japanese Duolingo and it is good for absorbing things by wrote but I grew frustrated with never having any of the grammar explained to me. It’s provided a good base.

There’s some more discussion of Duolingo

Do You Speak A Second Language?
日本語は話せます 🇯🇵

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (one year ago) link

pimsleur >> duolingo

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (one year ago) link

well but Duolingo is free

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:44 (one year ago) link

honestly DL is more like a fun app that helps you read stuff in a foreign language

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (one year ago) link

huh 46% fluent

not bad I guess

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (one year ago) link

Was going to say, however tell me more about why pimsleur is good? Everything else I have been trying has been lower cost but really falls down on getting me to speak. I’d pay for some live interaction.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:51 (one year ago) link

I used to be fluent in Portuguese but haven't used in 20 years - wonder if this could get me back on my bullshit.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:27 (one year ago) link

Duolingo fluency shield suffers from grade inflation especially when you are progressing through, say, the first third of the course or have just taken the placement test. At some points if starts to drop off and decay and you may regret giving into your ex-clever schoolboy’s craving for this particular form of external gratification.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:49 (one year ago) link

Think last word should have been "validation."

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:00 (one year ago) link

whenever i type "nos lau" (thursday night) it tells me i have a typo and that the correct spelling is "nos lau"

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:20 (one year ago) link

Did you type a lower case “el” (wrong) or a capital “eye” (correct)?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:42 (one year ago) link

oh right that makes sense yes

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:43 (one year ago) link

That was really it?

Some of the answers in some of the courses are messed up so that it will tell you about an alternate answer or typo which seems to be dependent on some punctuation, or even some other “invisible punctuation.” There seem to even be cases where it is supposed to accept some letters from say, a standard English alphabet, without certain diacritical and just tell you to “mind the accents” but it gets into some looking glass world where it doesn’t accept the correct foreign alphabet letter. Feel like I️ saw this happen in Turkish, with the non-dotted i, the ı.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:56 (one year ago) link

i haven't gone back in and checked but yes, it's quite likely tha:, since i realised when i read yr post that i was listening to DL's pronunciation of Iau and thinking "wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?" -- based on assuming my grasp of welsh pronunciation is actually worse than it is

(the pronunciation i learnt as a kid IS different to the version they're using: spoken welsh has surprisingly strong regional variation: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/13474058/Dialects-much-more-than-a-simple-north-south-divide)

(but it's not really the consonants that vary)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (one year ago) link

Ah, some weird keyboard autocorrect is now putting something strange when I type the letter capital “eye” I.

Speaking of which, at some point iOS seems to have added a Welsh keyboard, which may um, assist you in your answers.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (one year ago) link

"wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?"

or maybe the other way round, anyway i was struck by how different their pronunciation was than mine would be -- which is because i was misreading the letter

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:06 (one year ago) link

Sometimes wonder if the Welsh as taught is just some sort of approximation standard that is in fact spoken by no one at all, like Bokmål/Nynorsk, I️ think.

How is your pronunciation of the letter double el?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:12 (one year ago) link

Ach, still the weird “ego problem” or “ego trip” with the capital eye. Think I️ need to delete my autocorrect dictionary.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:13 (one year ago) link

Tom, delete ILX all my bookmarks my autocorrect dictionary now!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:15 (one year ago) link

Ah, that didn’t seem to work. I’m stymied.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:16 (one year ago) link

my double ll pronunciation is p good i think! the nearest large town to where we went on family holidays when i was a kid is machynlleth and i know how ppl who live in it say it

this was before welsh was actually taught in schools -- indeed, it was actively discouraged in schools back then, and i know someone who was made to leave school at 16 because he preferred to speak welsh (as did his entire family, of hill farmers)

(he became a mechanic and a builder, and is now very comfortably off and owns half the town)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:18 (one year ago) link

Ah. I have never been in the presence of a Welsh speaker as far as I know, apart from John Cale at an instore.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:25 (one year ago) link

I against I against I

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:27 (one year ago) link

(Had to chose the *RONG* spelling for each of those eyes to get the correct one)

Seems to me the pronunciation of Welsh, especially the “ll,” involves a lot more spittle than, say, English.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:30 (one year ago) link

At one point I was having some problems with the days of the week with when to put the word for day in there, such as “dydd Iau.” Seem to have sorted it, can’t remember what the problem really was.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:39 (one year ago) link

The other thing to remember of course about the “i” is that the word for Thursday starts with j for Jupiter-or Jove! do u see?! in most Romance languages.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:47 (one year ago) link

yes i haven't worked out when not to use Dydd yet!

(tho i also haven't yet been marked wrong on either, and have been assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that they are effectively interchangeable, at least in this limited context)

ooh handy steer on the root of the day names, i'd spotted they were "a bit like French" but hadn't taken it any further

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:50 (one year ago) link

To throw a spanner in your welsh works - Memrise has a course in Belter Cant.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 11:01 (one year ago) link

Sut mae, Marc? Sut dych chi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:13 (one year ago) link

Dych chi eisiau coffi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (one year ago) link

Learning Dutch thru this atm and I like it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (one year ago) link

Hartelijk gefeliciteerd!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:25 (one year ago) link

Both the Dutch and Welsh courses have been spruced up in the past few months, so you guys are on the cutting edge.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:27 (one year ago) link

/too much time on Duolingo

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 02:50 (one year ago) link

"The grapheme k was also used more commonly than in the modern alphabet, particularly before front vowels.[3] The disuse of this letter is at least partly due to the publication of William Morgan's Welsh Bible, whose English printers, with type letter frequencies set for English and Latin, did not have enough k letters in their type cases to spell every /k/ sound as k, so the order went "C for K, because the printers have not so many as the Welsh requireth";[5] this was not liked at the time, but has become standard usage."

"why doesn't welsh have the letter k?"
"we ran out that one time and never restocked"

mark s, Thursday, 9 November 2017 09:46 (one year ago) link

grrrr i am just as bad now at grammatical gender in french as i was aged 13: le cheval but la souris whyyyyyyyyyyyy pourquooooooiii

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:06 (one year ago) link

some rules and patterns here (but of course no clue why le cheval but la souris):
http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/grammar/le_or_la_in_french.shtml

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:07 (one year ago) link

my devoted year+ on duolingo french got me enough of the basics that I was able to get a civil servant job in France where I speak French full time. it helped that I was living in France most of that time and that I'd already spent a lot of time reading french (or trying to, with much dictionary use) and that I already spoke Spanish pretty well (son of a native speaker but didn't grow up speaking it, only learned it in school). so I am yay duolingo!

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

although I think the japanese accent is easier than the french accent, so duolingo may be ok in that regard (japanese mostly sounds like it looks, unlike french)

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 10 November 2017 15:55 (one year ago) link

I'm doing German which I'm already sorta conversational in as my Dad is from there. I wasn't raised speaking it though and what I do know is only what I've picked up listening to him speak with friends and relatives and the times that I've spent there. I'm really enjoying it so far though and am excited to improve :).

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:03 (one year ago) link

i just discovered the chats-with-bots feature (after several days of just ignoring the you-have-mail signal): i like that it goes "excellent response!" after what is (in another, more accurate sense) a pretty basic not-actually-rude response

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 16:14 (one year ago) link

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

I can recommend the ‘Human Japanese’ App for this.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:29 (one year ago) link

Is it waar naartoe or waarnaartoe? I'd say the former.

nathom, Sunday, 5 May 2019 18:33 (four months ago) link

DUO said the latter. Was interested in that long word, which is why I posted that.

How I Redd One of the Blecchs (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 May 2019 18:55 (four months ago) link

Also this seems like it may be useful to me https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/3733010/Grammar-Dutch-Word-Order

How I Redd One of the Blecchs (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 May 2019 19:00 (four months ago) link

Took a break from Dutch and am working on Greek a little bit, which is fun and interesting for various reasons I can elaborate on if you like.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 20:24 (four months ago) link

Omg isn't it hella hard? My kid is still undecided to continue Old Greek

nathom, Monday, 13 May 2019 11:15 (four months ago) link

Doesn’t seem so to me, but I am learning at my own pace

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 12:19 (four months ago) link

I can dance a tango, I can read Greek — easy.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 12:57 (four months ago) link

Modern Greek is easier than (the) Ancient Greek(s)... but it's still quite hard for English speakers to learn! On par with Russian, definitely harder than Dutch. But easier than Arabic or Mandarin.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2019 14:14 (four months ago) link

Ah, you are right, f. hazel, it is in the second hardest category. Very hard to shake that feeling of “In just a short period of time I have learned a few simple greetings, phrases and grammar points — it’s all downhill from here!”

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 17:17 (four months ago) link

But easier than Arabic or Mandarin.

Or Korean or Japanese

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 17:19 (four months ago) link

Japanese is pretty easy. Apparently Korean is easier?

Ancient Greek is still taught in schools here but less and less kids want to study it. I would love if Ophelia continues but it's up to her.

nathom, Monday, 13 May 2019 17:25 (four months ago) link

How do you all do it: do you randomly pick a theme or finish one before heading to the next one?

nathom, Monday, 13 May 2019 17:38 (four months ago) link

Japanese is not easy

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 17:55 (four months ago) link

I studied Japanese for three years, it feels easy at the very beginning (no subject/verb agreement, no plurals, very few sounds not already present in English) and then rapidly destroys your self-confidence (honorifics, counters, ten-year investment in memorizing Kanji if you ever want to read a newspaper headline)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2019 18:37 (four months ago) link

^otm

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 18:53 (four months ago) link

Well, true, the honorifics are quite hard. But compared to dutch (and other languages) it felt easier. Much less exceptions. It feels more structured compared to my language. Granted, languages come easily to me.

nathom, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:05 (four months ago) link

Also I read a book on how the Japanese think. (Sociology, psychology,... and how that relates to the language.) It was eye opening and hence made studying the language easier for me.

nathom, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:07 (four months ago) link

Did you visit Japan or take any sort of certification test?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 19:11 (four months ago) link

I remember my Japanese-as-in-from-Japan professor being asked if she was going to move back to Japan and her momentary abandonment of her usual formal-Japanese-professor aspect to exclaim "absolutely not, I hate living there!" and then she spent the rest of the class saying how great Japan was to make up for it. Not mentioned in textbooks: it really sucks to be a woman there.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:06 (four months ago) link

Also I read a book on how the Japanese think. (Sociology, psychology,... and how that relates to the language.) It was eye opening and hence made studying the language easier for me.

― nathom, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 5:07 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would like to read this book.

As for kanji, I find that relatively easy. I’m thirty weeks into a kanji learning programme and I can read most of what a 6th grader can a lot of what a high schooler can. Actually I’m slowing down that to bring my grammar and comprehension up to a similar level. It’s been a real boon to be able to read so much more, though.

Position of women in japan is pretty shocking, if slowly getting better.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:56 (four months ago) link

Yeah, but aren’t you actually in Japan now? Don’t you think that makes it a wee bit easier as well?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 21:15 (four months ago) link

I’m only occasionally in japan. In Australia till August. I’ve just started using an iTalki tutor which is helping.

日本語の文法を覚えるくらい難しいことはない。

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 13 May 2019 21:26 (four months ago) link

I'll look in the attic, Ed. It's been two decades since I read it. Lol

nathom, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 07:43 (four months ago) link

Wat voor noten hebben jullie?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 11:53 (four months ago) link

Meneer beer eet een peer.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 11:56 (four months ago) link

I'm doing the Irish course and it's bizarrely obsessed with menus and apples.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 17:00 (three months ago) link

Yeah. I looked at that one for a bit and it seemed to be missing something, not a lot of audio for one thing, and also the kind of stuff you are describing.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 17:03 (three months ago) link

1000 day streak today!

¡Hoy he logrado una racha de mil días!

brain (krakow), Friday, 24 May 2019 21:13 (three months ago) link

Waaaaht. Omg. I'm on day 120. Slipped off the top 20. Thanks to returning to FB. LOL

nathom, Saturday, 25 May 2019 06:41 (three months ago) link

I'm a creature of habit and many days just do a quick couple of lessons, but more when I have time (I'm at 55000XP over those 1000+ days). I've always maintained my streak freeze, which has saved me a few times along the way when life got particularly busy.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 25 May 2019 10:09 (three months ago) link

I'm at the stage I want to purchase a grammah book bec it feels duolingo is fun but not informative enough (in that regard).

nathom, Saturday, 25 May 2019 17:48 (three months ago) link

Sounds like a good idea.

This page might be useful for those willing to follow into the Modern Greek rabbit hole: https://www.foundalis.com/lan/greek.htm

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 June 2019 19:00 (three months ago) link

Ophelia started Japanese! So proud of her.

nathom, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 09:42 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

In the meantime just noticed Arabic on the app.

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:58 (two months ago) link

Only the app barely works anymore. Overtaxed servers, I assume.

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:00 (two months ago) link

Okay, it’s a go.

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:15 (two months ago) link

It’s a super tiny course :(

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:32 (two months ago) link

Tap the pairs

If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 June 2019 00:51 (two months ago) link

Hardly any discussions either. I saw a few but they were only a day or two old.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:19 (two months ago) link

Seems like at least a good way to work the writing system.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 June 2019 20:20 (two months ago) link

Only the app barely works anymore. Overtaxed servers, I assume.


Oh god yes. Stressing me out big time.

nathom, Sunday, 30 June 2019 07:03 (two months ago) link

Doubt if it will enable me to catch up to Ed, but the Japanese course is much improved with the recent update. Although I think it may still be in A/B testing so not all will see.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:53 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

The French course got a nice refresh. Having a lot of fun with the "Bad Day" and "Junk" modules.

maura, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:41 (five days ago) link

What about “Bistro”?

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 13:57 (five days ago) link

Can I just say, I hate the Leagues? I mean, it was cute when there were a limited amount of them, and it was a race you could win. But it got old really fast - and now the leagues are just never-ending, like every time you complete one, another one appears?

Also, the "scoring" for the leagues is really unfair. I'm on Level 5 (the top level) for over half the available courses. The ones that are left are actually really difficult, because German grammar is complex.

Stupidly, because I was trying to "win" a league, I raced really fast through levels 3 and 4, so I did not absorb the actual grammar. Now I'm down to no lessons left, but I still need to review them, so I do a lot of reviewing.

It used to be that reviews and new lessons counted for the same amount of points - 10. Then you got up to 5 "bonus" points for new lessons. Then the "new" lessons got bumped up to 18 points, with "bonus" points on top of them. And now reviewing older lessons had been demoted to only 5 points. Like, it's actively penalising you if you are reviewing grammar rather than trying to absorb new lessons at an unfeasible speed.

At first the Leagues were useful, because doing 20 or 30 reviews a day was really GOOD for my German. But now it's really stopped being fun, and I wish I could opt out of them without feeling like I'm "losing".

Branwell with an N, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:03 (five days ago) link

yeah i try to not pay attention to them and just go at my own pace. too much gamification!

maura, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:11 (five days ago) link

Same here, mostly

Our Borad Could Be Your Trife (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:25 (five days ago) link

I complained, and discovered that it is possible to disable the Leagues:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33039989

Though they made another new change today - vastly decreasing the number of "lessons" in the levels, especially the upper levels, and wow, has that been unpopular.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 18:10 (four days ago) link


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