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i am learning welsh obviously (plus brushing up french)

the welsh is going badly -- french is telling me i am 24% fluent, which is a fib imo

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:23 (two years ago) link

should I install this and see how bad my German has become, y/n

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:28 (two years ago) link

(I'm already downloading it)

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (two years ago) link

Duolingo is a great way to absorb language basics and grammar rules, but once you have that stuff down and are in the mode of adding vocabulary I found it kind of inefficient.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:29 (two years ago) link

xp You will learn many duck-related German sentences ime

JoeStork, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:32 (two years ago) link

i have been surprised how much french i still know in terms of vocab: my grammar was and is terrible

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:33 (two years ago) link

polyphonic otm, I finished the French tree and have never gone back, currently use Memrise (and used Lingvist until I ran out of words) to build vocab

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:35 (two years ago) link

in welsh i have discovered nothing about ducks but i have encountered a DRAGON (draig)

mark s, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:38 (two years ago) link

I completed the Japanese Duolingo and it is good for absorbing things by wrote but I grew frustrated with never having any of the grammar explained to me. It’s provided a good base.

There’s some more discussion of Duolingo

Do You Speak A Second Language?
日本語は話せます 🇯🇵

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (two years ago) link

pimsleur >> duolingo

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:39 (two years ago) link

well but Duolingo is free

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:44 (two years ago) link

honestly DL is more like a fun app that helps you read stuff in a foreign language

rob, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (two years ago) link

huh 46% fluent

not bad I guess

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:45 (two years ago) link

Was going to say, however tell me more about why pimsleur is good? Everything else I have been trying has been lower cost but really falls down on getting me to speak. I’d pay for some live interaction.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:51 (two years ago) link

I used to be fluent in Portuguese but haven't used in 20 years - wonder if this could get me back on my bullshit.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:27 (two years ago) link

Duolingo fluency shield suffers from grade inflation especially when you are progressing through, say, the first third of the course or have just taken the placement test. At some points if starts to drop off and decay and you may regret giving into your ex-clever schoolboy’s craving for this particular form of external gratification.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:49 (two years ago) link

Think last word should have been "validation."

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:00 (two years ago) link

whenever i type "nos lau" (thursday night) it tells me i have a typo and that the correct spelling is "nos lau"

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:20 (two years ago) link

Did you type a lower case “el” (wrong) or a capital “eye” (correct)?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:42 (two years ago) link

oh right that makes sense yes

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:43 (two years ago) link

That was really it?

Some of the answers in some of the courses are messed up so that it will tell you about an alternate answer or typo which seems to be dependent on some punctuation, or even some other “invisible punctuation.” There seem to even be cases where it is supposed to accept some letters from say, a standard English alphabet, without certain diacritical and just tell you to “mind the accents” but it gets into some looking glass world where it doesn’t accept the correct foreign alphabet letter. Feel like I️ saw this happen in Turkish, with the non-dotted i, the ı.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 09:56 (two years ago) link

i haven't gone back in and checked but yes, it's quite likely tha:, since i realised when i read yr post that i was listening to DL's pronunciation of Iau and thinking "wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?" -- based on assuming my grasp of welsh pronunciation is actually worse than it is

(the pronunciation i learnt as a kid IS different to the version they're using: spoken welsh has surprisingly strong regional variation: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/13474058/Dialects-much-more-than-a-simple-north-south-divide)

(but it's not really the consonants that vary)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (two years ago) link

Ah, some weird keyboard autocorrect is now putting something strange when I type the letter capital “eye” I.

Speaking of which, at some point iOS seems to have added a Welsh keyboard, which may um, assist you in your answers.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:04 (two years ago) link

"wow the initial i sound in front of those vowels is really like an L isn't it?"

or maybe the other way round, anyway i was struck by how different their pronunciation was than mine would be -- which is because i was misreading the letter

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:06 (two years ago) link

Sometimes wonder if the Welsh as taught is just some sort of approximation standard that is in fact spoken by no one at all, like Bokmål/Nynorsk, I️ think.

How is your pronunciation of the letter double el?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:12 (two years ago) link

Ach, still the weird “ego problem” or “ego trip” with the capital eye. Think I️ need to delete my autocorrect dictionary.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:13 (two years ago) link

Tom, delete ILX all my bookmarks my autocorrect dictionary now!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:15 (two years ago) link

Ah, that didn’t seem to work. I’m stymied.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:16 (two years ago) link

my double ll pronunciation is p good i think! the nearest large town to where we went on family holidays when i was a kid is machynlleth and i know how ppl who live in it say it

this was before welsh was actually taught in schools -- indeed, it was actively discouraged in schools back then, and i know someone who was made to leave school at 16 because he preferred to speak welsh (as did his entire family, of hill farmers)

(he became a mechanic and a builder, and is now very comfortably off and owns half the town)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:18 (two years ago) link

Ah. I have never been in the presence of a Welsh speaker as far as I know, apart from John Cale at an instore.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:25 (two years ago) link

I against I against I

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:27 (two years ago) link

(Had to chose the *RONG* spelling for each of those eyes to get the correct one)

Seems to me the pronunciation of Welsh, especially the “ll,” involves a lot more spittle than, say, English.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:30 (two years ago) link

At one point I was having some problems with the days of the week with when to put the word for day in there, such as “dydd Iau.” Seem to have sorted it, can’t remember what the problem really was.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:39 (two years ago) link

The other thing to remember of course about the “i” is that the word for Thursday starts with j for Jupiter-or Jove! do u see?! in most Romance languages.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:47 (two years ago) link

yes i haven't worked out when not to use Dydd yet!

(tho i also haven't yet been marked wrong on either, and have been assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that they are effectively interchangeable, at least in this limited context)

ooh handy steer on the root of the day names, i'd spotted they were "a bit like French" but hadn't taken it any further

mark s, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 10:50 (two years ago) link

To throw a spanner in your welsh works - Memrise has a course in Belter Cant.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 11:01 (two years ago) link

Sut mae, Marc? Sut dych chi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:13 (two years ago) link

Dych chi eisiau coffi?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (two years ago) link

Learning Dutch thru this atm and I like it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:17 (two years ago) link

Hartelijk gefeliciteerd!

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

Both the Dutch and Welsh courses have been spruced up in the past few months, so you guys are on the cutting edge.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 01:27 (two years ago) link

/too much time on Duolingo

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 02:50 (two years ago) link

"The grapheme k was also used more commonly than in the modern alphabet, particularly before front vowels.[3] The disuse of this letter is at least partly due to the publication of William Morgan's Welsh Bible, whose English printers, with type letter frequencies set for English and Latin, did not have enough k letters in their type cases to spell every /k/ sound as k, so the order went "C for K, because the printers have not so many as the Welsh requireth";[5] this was not liked at the time, but has become standard usage."

"why doesn't welsh have the letter k?"
"we ran out that one time and never restocked"

mark s, Thursday, 9 November 2017 09:46 (two years ago) link

grrrr i am just as bad now at grammatical gender in french as i was aged 13: le cheval but la souris whyyyyyyyyyyyy pourquooooooiii

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:06 (two years ago) link

some rules and patterns here (but of course no clue why le cheval but la souris):
http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/grammar/le_or_la_in_french.shtml

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:07 (two years ago) link

my devoted year+ on duolingo french got me enough of the basics that I was able to get a civil servant job in France where I speak French full time. it helped that I was living in France most of that time and that I'd already spent a lot of time reading french (or trying to, with much dictionary use) and that I already spoke Spanish pretty well (son of a native speaker but didn't grow up speaking it, only learned it in school). so I am yay duolingo!

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

although I think the japanese accent is easier than the french accent, so duolingo may be ok in that regard (japanese mostly sounds like it looks, unlike french)

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 10 November 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link

I'm doing German which I'm already sorta conversational in as my Dad is from there. I wasn't raised speaking it though and what I do know is only what I've picked up listening to him speak with friends and relatives and the times that I've spent there. I'm really enjoying it so far though and am excited to improve :).

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:03 (two years ago) link

i just discovered the chats-with-bots feature (after several days of just ignoring the you-have-mail signal): i like that it goes "excellent response!" after what is (in another, more accurate sense) a pretty basic not-actually-rude response

mark s, Friday, 10 November 2017 16:14 (two years ago) link

I spent some time on the japanese tree earlier this year as I learn that language next but I'm going to need more than just duolingo to do it because I don't have a great sense of the grammar whereas learning a second romance language, I already grokked the main structures, what I really needed was enough confidence in applying those structures to go ahead and speak it irl.

I can recommend the ‘Human Japanese’ App for this.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:29 (two years ago) link

Duolingo Japanese improved since you last looked, more lessons, tips in app, much more kanji but yeah, LingoDeer probably still better. For Korean but of them seem kind of too hard to get started with seems like Drops might be a way to ease in.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:51 (two months ago) link

I recommended it to my daughter.

Also weird how I perform well in some sections but am horrible in others. Do love doing french. I missed it so much.

nathom, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:17 (two months ago) link

Gaelic is out. Folks in Scotland are amused and happy that Irn Bru makes an appearance in the first lessons... "Tha IRN BRU math"

brain (krakow), Thursday, 28 November 2019 13:39 (one month ago) link

Ha, that’s probably the only word of it I know

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 November 2019 14:08 (one month ago) link

But I don’t think it will help me place out of any lessons.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 November 2019 14:13 (one month ago) link

Seems an ex-ILX0r makes an appearance in the first lessons as well.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 November 2019 14:15 (one month ago) link

yay. glad that gàidhlig is up, even though it's still in beta.

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 November 2019 17:11 (one month ago) link

Tha IRN BRU math

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 November 2019 11:55 (one month ago) link

Does the Gaelic have an notes or tips? Don’t see any

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 November 2019 12:55 (one month ago) link

Although sometimes they show up later on.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 November 2019 15:57 (one month ago) link

Cha toil leam Callum idir.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 December 2019 00:41 (one month ago) link

Er is geen kip te zien.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:03 (one month ago) link

trying out Clozemaster now

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 December 2019 19:11 (one month ago) link

Dit heeft met jou niets te maken.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 December 2019 23:13 (one month ago) link

Ik geef nooit op.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 December 2019 23:14 (one month ago) link

Tegen wie denk je dat je het hebt?

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 December 2019 23:15 (one month ago) link

anyway, back to Duolingo. Seems that once one gets to Set 6 of the Stories, the questions are in the foreign language and the stories themselves are significantly more intricate.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 December 2019 00:38 (one month ago) link

Drops is my new jam.

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 December 2019 22:32 (one month ago) link

Dit heeft met jou niets te maken.


Haha. “Wat is eigenlijk jouw probleem.”
My kid uses that line. Had to point out it’s a bit rude.

Life’s hectic and stressy but I try to keep doing my lessons. Have to say I’m much more at ease w talking (in the shop). It’s actually fun. Don’t think I have ever been as comfortable talking in french.

It does go very slowly these days. Not even past section 2. Argh.

nathom, Sunday, 8 December 2019 22:37 (one month ago) link

Dit heeft niets met jou te maken sounds more natural btw.

nathom, Sunday, 8 December 2019 22:37 (one month ago) link

Also wtf is the difference betw tous les jours and chaque jour? Just seems weird we can’t use the latter.

nathom, Sunday, 8 December 2019 22:38 (one month ago) link

in what context? they seem pretty similar

□ chaque jour. La tâche de chaque jour. ➙ journalier, quotidien. Périodique paraissant chaque jour. ➙ journal. PROV. À chaque jour suffit sa peine. □ tous les jours : chaque jour, quotidiennement. Ce sont des choses qui arrivent tous les jours, couramment. (1579) De tous les jours : courant, habituel, ordinaire. La vie de tous les jours, quotidienne. PROV. On n’a pas tous les jours vingt ans
© Le Petit Robert 2016

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 01:51 (one month ago) link

because of the league tables decide to do a longish lay-off of Duo between Sunday and Monday night.

Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 01:54 (one month ago) link

Thanks!

nathom, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 07:22 (one month ago) link

Weet ik veel!

Don’t Slander Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 December 2019 20:26 (one month ago) link

I’m still in section one. :-( This is taking 4evah

nathom, Sunday, 22 December 2019 23:06 (one month ago) link

Kijk voor je, alsjeblieft.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 December 2019 01:14 (four weeks ago) link

Geen huisdieren!

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 16:29 (three weeks ago) link

Drop 90 Days Challenge starts tomorrow. Who’s with me?

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 01:18 (three weeks ago) link

Hold on, what’s this?

nathom, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 07:11 (three weeks ago) link

Kijk uit voor de hond!

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 13:12 (three weeks ago) link

i’m gonna learn finnish

maura, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 21:43 (three weeks ago) link

Yes, it’s on there.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 21:59 (three weeks ago) link

along with Icelandic.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 21:59 (three weeks ago) link

counter for Drops 90 Day Challenge is currently not working

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 January 2020 14:06 (three weeks ago) link

Kijk goed. Ik zal je laten zien hoe je dit doet.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 January 2020 02:45 (three weeks ago) link

Doe het rustig!

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 January 2020 15:08 (three weeks ago) link

Getting Drops and Clozemaster into the mix really seems to help.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sticking with this Gàidhlig course longer than i have with other languages i've tried on here.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:20 (two weeks ago) link

I've started german (primarily using pimsleur but supplemented with youtube and duolingo). live with a fluent german speaker so trying to blitz a base in 6 months and then maybe try to switch to speaking german at home... see how we go

||||||||, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:08 (two weeks ago) link

really found 'le journal en français facile' podcast useful for french listening practice - anyone know of a good equivalent in german? think you have to pay for 'news in slow german'

||||||||, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:10 (two weeks ago) link

Deutsche Welle has slowly spoken news podcast every day

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

it used to be free but maybe not anymore if that’s what you are saying

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sticking with this Gàidhlig course longer than i have with other languages i've tried on here.

I did a few lessons of that but I think the Cymraeg is the flagship Celtic course here as I have slowly come to realize, so probably going to stick with that.

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:31 (two weeks ago) link

perfect - thanks !
xp

||||||||, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:32 (two weeks ago) link

just finally learned what the combo bonus is

We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 January 2020 23:40 (one week ago) link


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