FP: Should 31 be the new 51 y/n

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Having seen numerous calls for bans the last year (u know whot 'n who I mean) and quite a lot of ilxors backing it, but seemingly not enough to materialize because 'lol demise of ilx' in the numbers, should the FP threshold be lowered from 51 to, say, 31? Would it solve anything in the first place, or is it good as it is? Does our FP-law rid the ILX eco-system of toxic unwanted drivel, or is it falling short because the user numbers are (seemingly) falling behind? Or, third option (not in the poll, but do elaborate), all is fair game and maybe we don't need FP anymore in the first place?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
No 31
Yes 27


Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

display the number of FPs next to the posts that draw them imo

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

^^this system works on the football forum i post to. also offers a chance for lolz

imago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hey, i'm only thinking of the lolz

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

colour coding of display names for every 10 FPs, goes to flashing red and black when you reach 50

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also anybody who reaches 31 has to go to an "Are You Sure You Want To Post This?" confirmation page before every subsequent post is accepted.

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

^this page is adorned with floating gifs of previous much-flagged posts

imago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ban no longer lasts for 30 days but is over as soon as the culprit handwrites 51 letters of apology to the relevant ilxors

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

how do you know who is relevant?

sarahell, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What is FP?

calstars, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

flag post. i've only ever done it for one person & one post

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ban no longer lasts for 30 days but is over as soon as the culprit handwrites 51 letters of apology to the relevant ilxors

― Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:45 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is an idea I can embrace

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't want any email from gabbneb or larry appleton, thanks

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

abolish the cowardly system altogether plz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

another important question would be how many times a poster has FP'd

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fuck me, Twitter and FB are click for like type meritocracies, and look at the fucking state of them for goodness sake. And 99% of football forum "content" is enough to drive you to ending it for good. I'd say do not change anything ILX.

calzino, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm not into public display of which posts have been FP'd and how many times, way too much like FB

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

has the board really had an issue with abusive or seriously disruptive posters recently?

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

remarkable how prevalent the cop mindset is tbh

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we're all cops

ogmor, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think it's just one example that caused this post

and that individual has now been banned, for hitting 51

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Good Gulags are needed in these difficult times, the type that Solzhenitsyn + Shalamov would approve of imo.

calzino, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

write 51 times i will not be a bad poster

assawoman bay (harbl), Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i like the new party atmosphere on the Admin Log

Karl Malone, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fuck me, Twitter and FB are click for like type meritocracies, and look at the fucking state of them for goodness sake. And 99% of football forum "content" is enough to drive you to ending it for good. I'd say do not change anything ILX.

― calzino, Sunday, October 29, 2017 7:04 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wisdom

Treeship, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Aw whaddi miss whaddi miss

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 00:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we're all cops

― ogmor, Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes.

I think it's just one example that caused this post

― El Tomboto, Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. A bit though yeah, def.

Lots of people otm here, some a bit too eager even to my own liking but that comes with the territory.

Feels like the ilx massive wants to exclude a person or two for quite some time. And it's not happening. Fine by me, but the system seems flawed for 2017 realness. Which is why I asked 31 for 51.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Shoulder to the wheel etc

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i think we need more posters

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

is advertising in the budget?

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

21 imo

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 00:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

1

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

11

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFSB2plwzM

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Don't Cry vs November Rain has new answers

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

so that was not a useful lead for finding out who you want iced

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3DllvVSsLc

how's life, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Guys. I was going to wait but

I found the perfect venue for this year's ILX reunion

http://www.311cruise.com/

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

So wait... we're complaining because there are less dickheads needing/getting flagged/banhammered because theres less of us now, and this is a problem why exactly?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 30 October 2017 02:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think that brings up a good point - we might dislike certain posters more than we ever would have in, say, peak noize dude era, because there are less of us, and so the, uh, noize floor is more noticeable

El Tomboto, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

39, because I just rewatched the 39 Steps

bernard snowy, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i support bernard snowy's proposal, seems sound.

if it's true that there are fewer of us, that makes us more vulnerable to assholes hanging around forever, never to reach 51 but able to really derail every thread at their whim. i always thought 51 was kind of shockingly high but i guess people used to do a lot more lol-SBing and you had to compensate for that.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

btw at first glance I assumed this was a thread about flagging anyone who posted some lifestyle article about how age 31 is "the new 51"

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

would support that flag policy btw

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

why are we proposing a solution to a problem we do not have, is the question

k3vin k., Monday, 30 October 2017 02:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

^^^^^

brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2017 03:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6U-TGahwvs

brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2017 03:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

why are we proposing a solution to a problem we do not have, is the question

― k3vin k., Monday, 30 October 2017 02:57 (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There aren't any fp's. Try to keep up.

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 03:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I just flag the really bad posts with each of my 27 sock accounts

mh, Monday, 30 October 2017 04:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I suspect this poll was prompted by a particular poster who may have been 51'ed under a different username, but came back and is still a frequent irritant. My sense is that if any poster rises to the level of unacceptability requiring ejection, ILX will muster the necessary 51 FPs.

I personally doubt that there have been many posters who accumulated more than 31 active FPs who did not also pass the 51 threshold soon afterwards, but that is merely a guess on my part. Picking the 'right' number is not a science, but a fairly inexact heuristic. I'm fine with any number, as long as it is high enough that it cannot be driven by relatively small cabal. 51 has been adequately functional so far, imo.

I also note that 51 has deeply entered ILX lore. Changing it would render that lore illegible.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 October 2017 05:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I could put it better but perhaps let's keep the peace

imago, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

:)

marcos, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

For me, I don't think of obsessive, list-making behaviour as stereotypically "autistic"

it has historically been stereotyped this way on ilx. that's what I was referring to.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and my point was merely, to complain about "obsessive, list-making behaviour" in the context of a thread where people make lists and then compile them and discuss the results, is a bit absurd. And I have been guilty of that complaining in the past, and I am aware of the absurdity of my past behavior.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

/For me, I don't think of obsessive, list-making behaviour as stereotypically "autistic"/

it has historically been stereotyped this way on ilx. that's what I was referring to.


Sure...

brimstead, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

How many fucking layers

brimstead, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i guess "obsessive", "trainspottery", "filing", "stamp-collecting", "nerdy" i use in different contexts to try and do the job of describing compulsive nit-picky cataloguing but none of them are perfect. something to do with Pokemons might work. or killing butterflies.

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"nobjectivism" might have some mileage

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I like 'anal gazing' myself.

Evening Shade and Designing Women will not be seen tonight (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I like Strindberg's phrase to describe his own nobjectivism, 'knappologi' (trans. 'buttonology').

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's like walking up to a buffet table and saying "this looks like some food for diabetics!"

mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I like 'anal gazing' myself.


i read that as ‘anal glazing’ at first and was momentarily distressed

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As blank and pitiless as the sun

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

mmm slow thighs

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sorry to break topic here, and excuse my ignorance, but— does the flagged poster receive any sort of notice when they have been flagged?

I've never received any such thing myself, so maybe I've never been flagged. But, I think a notification system for when one has been flagged would be of some sort of use. Kind of as a semi-polite way of saying, "Hey, cut it out."

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Did you receive like eight or nine notifications just now? Hang on, let me try again.

Evening Shade and Designing Women will not be seen tonight (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

iirc mods sometimes email people when they are approaching 51, but it's been done case-by-case

my suggestion is to keep the 51 number, but allow each of us to have two active FPs on any given poster, instead of one.

sleeve, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

No, you don't receive a notification - you can post on the "request my SB/FP number" thread and if a mod's around they can tell you how many you've got (this isn't really an officially mod-sanctioned thread but it's also not frowned upon as far as I'm aware). The mods will also message you if you're approaching 51, but at that point it should probably be relatively clear from other posters what you've done that's been riling people.

xp with sleeve

emil.y, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I may not have agreed in every instance, but approximately zero of the instances where someone was 51-ed and banned have been surprising. Unless you're super un-self-aware, I would guess you'd probably know when it's at least a likelihood.

Evening Shade and Designing Women will not be seen tonight (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

my third was kind of 'et tu brute'

imago, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

forgot it was 3, i assume that's the record and likely to remain so

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

should probably change the number from 51 to 23

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

153 is a very holy number

imago, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i thought whiney had 4, or are you tied

sarahell, Thursday, 2 November 2017 21:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

No, I was using it to describe content and posting styles that resemble behavior of someone on the Autism Spectrum. No like/dislike involved. Just descriptive.

the spectrum is broad (that's why the term "spectrum" was brought into use) & calling things "autistic" is reductive, dismissive, and offensive, and I hope you'll reconsider your position on using it in this way.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 2 November 2017 22:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's like walking up to a buffet table and saying "this looks like some food for diabetics!"

― mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:20 (three hours ago) Permalink

is it bad that this makes me lol

flopson, Thursday, 2 November 2017 22:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I read a couple of other sites where people have weighed in revealing some of our ‘funny’ ex-members as real-life abusers

Is this just going to pass by uncommented on, then?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

^^^^^ otm

sarahell, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

one of them has been brought up here in the past, not much point in relitigating

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

they're permabanned, and the accusation was exactly zero surprise

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

relevant search terms?

sarahell, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What kind of abuse are we talkin about here

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'd like to know that. Stop the shady stuff.

Also we can give Sarahell a break now; she apologized and explained, that's that imho.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I looked for the link again recently but couldn’t find it, basically someone on m3tafilter mentioned in reference to DP that she dated him and he was an abusive pos

mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Rhymes with Pom Dassatino?

Οὖτις, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

IchLugeMullets

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yes, in case it wasn’t obvious

mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Well theres another D(J)P around here, didnt want him inadvertently sullied

Οὖτις, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

DJP is most certainly not an ex-poster

mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This is fine

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Friday, 3 November 2017 00:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I sometimes get my flappy birds, flopsons and frogbs confused, one of them is a YMO stan.

present

frogbs, Friday, 3 November 2017 15:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I am not gonna lie, the first thought that crossed my mind when I read mh's post was "shit, if I ever leave then Domcrimes are gonna follow me around like an albatross"

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Friday, 3 November 2017 15:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

your crimes are fun and music/liquor/pun related, completely different ballgame

mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 15:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 4 November 2017 00:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that's the joke

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 5 November 2017 00:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that's kismet, or something

El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 00:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

31 got 31'd

El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 00:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Righteous

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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