PHANTOM THREAD: Paul Tomas Anderson, Daniel Day-Lewis, Fifties London

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Eazy, Friday, 13 October 2017 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Thomas typo.

Eazy, Friday, 13 October 2017 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Thomas Typo Types Tentatively

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 13 October 2017 20:16 (four months ago) Permalink

The thread of threads.

Anyway, trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNsiQMeSvMk

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 October 2017 14:43 (three months ago) Permalink

this looks insanely boring

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 14:57 (three months ago) Permalink

So apparently DDL is not a gay dude in this

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 14:59 (three months ago) Permalink

PTA does M/I.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

this looks insanely boring

― Simon H., Monday, October 23, 2017 7:57 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

interest piqued

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:23 (three months ago) Permalink

this does not appeal

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:26 (three months ago) Permalink

well I live in hope that it's not actually about fashion, the most boring topic on earth.

Like one of those Saint Laurent films.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:27 (three months ago) Permalink

My gf has been super into sewing and making clothes lately, so I'm excited for beautifully-shot sewing action scenes on her behalf.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:30 (three months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

tylerw, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:32 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm sure this will be good, because PTA usually delivers the goods, but for all you folks who complained how boring the new Blade Runner is, man, it was a relative struggle for me to make it through this 2-minute trailer.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:35 (three months ago) Permalink

I'll watch DDL be boring anytime, though.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Y'all are nuts this looks great

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:36 (three months ago) Permalink

I liked The Dressmaker (2015)! Although that combined costume porn with Western tropes.

Previous word on this film suggests that Phantom Thread's story is based on the life of Charles James (1906-1978).

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:38 (three months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

Hard Eight?

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:42 (three months ago) Permalink

oh right!

tylerw, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:00 (three months ago) Permalink

I'll probably watch this, but yeah, it looks pretty dull

Moodles, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:43 (three months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

There Will Be Blood is all Texas, isn't it?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (three months ago) Permalink

Southern California

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Looks insanely boring & I fear he shot without a complete script again

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (three months ago) Permalink

why do you all say "boring" like it's a bad thing?

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (three months ago) Permalink

i only hold films in high esteem if i nod off during them

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (three months ago) Permalink

There Will Be Blood has aged pretty poorly (mostly because the last 10 minutes have been parodied and referenced so much - a shame because the ending was so powerful when I first saw it), but The Master has aged really well... I saw that one by myself opening night & then the next day with a bunch of friends and we were all left scratching our heads... haven't seen it since, but it's bloomed in my mind in a way that TWBB hasn't, quite the opposite... maybe the difference between DDL & PSH...

why do you all say "boring" like it's a bad thing?

the cardinal sin in movies is being boring, i don't understand the question

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:04 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah i watched Louis XIV die in bed for 2 hours last night

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:05 (three months ago) Permalink

flappy, have you dodged the entire Slow Cinema trend?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:06 (three months ago) Permalink

what are some examples

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (three months ago) Permalink

First person that came to mind when I read "slow cinema" was Kelly Reichardt, who's one of my favorite working directors. Certain Women is slow but it's anything but boring.

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah slow =/= boring. "PTA fashion movie" is my idea of hell if that's really what this is

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (three months ago) Permalink

you can def nap to the work of apichatpong weerasethakul, one of my favorite directors

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Guessing it was made with self-awareness of The Age of Innocence and Gosford Park as context, wild energetic American filmmakers telling a story in a restrained and refined world.

Eazy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:14 (three months ago) Permalink

wild energetic

this is not a fitting descriptor for PTA imo.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (three months ago) Permalink

I mean, anxiety is also a form of energy I guess

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 17:16 (three months ago) Permalink

I keep hearing that the Paul Thomas Anderson/Daniel Day-Lewis movie is sort of an art-house FIFTY SHADES OF GREY...

— Kyle Buchanan (@kylebuchanan) August 7, 2017

This tweet (coupled with some hints in the trailer) suggest that this movie is not primarily about fashion

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:07 (three months ago) Permalink

Oh hell yeah

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:10 (three months ago) Permalink

Unfortunately, 'art house 50 Shades of Grey' sounds like a movie full of the scenes where he's asking her why isn't she eating and then making her eat.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:33 (three months ago) Permalink

That does look decidedly boring

He should play WB Yeats soon

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 19:03 (three months ago) Permalink

don't you remember he retired? (lol)

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 19:04 (three months ago) Permalink

unless he has some sort of second coming...

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 19:04 (three months ago) Permalink

There's totally going to be a scene where he sews a dildo into one of those secret pockets

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 19:46 (three months ago) Permalink

The strange thing is that in real life Daniel Day-Lewis is actually a cobbler and his specialty is embedding dildoes in the soles of his shoes. It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it, this presumption that knowing one thing could actually translate into a meaningful ability to represent the other thing. Hardly method acting, if you ask me.

Moodles, Monday, 23 October 2017 20:07 (three months ago) Permalink

daniel dild-shoeis morelike amirite

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 October 2017 20:13 (three months ago) Permalink

I regret this.

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 20:14 (three months ago) Permalink

daniel dild-shoeis morelike amirite

hahahaha

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:06 (three months ago) Permalink

This looks great, not boring at all. The photography looks absolutely beautiful. Very excited to see it.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:08 (three months ago) Permalink

This looks great.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 00:15 (three months ago) Permalink

Is that Julia Davis playing the "rival" at the dinner table 1:15 in? She's not on the cast list.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 00:49 (three months ago) Permalink

I won't watch the trailer (I don't really watch them) but PTA, whom I don't like much, made Inherent Vice and The Master back to back, both of which tickled me.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 02:55 (three months ago) Permalink

i'd like to know what you think of the aesthetic fwiw, and it doesn't give much away. in fact it does the opposite. such a shock to see PTA shoot grey skies, rainy cobbled streets and wild green coastlines.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 03:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Ah. Yeah. Touché!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:47 (one week ago) Permalink

There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.

WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:53 (one week ago) Permalink

My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.

MaresNest, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:43 (one week ago) Permalink

There’s a genuine narrative purpose in this case

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I would never accuse him of hiding a fuck

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Lol @ URL

Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (one week ago) Permalink

At Cinerama in Seattle for my third viewing.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:28 (one week ago) Permalink

silby I was there too!

also G&G were in Mangal 2 when I went there

Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 12 February 2018 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

they're doing this w/ live orchestra in Brooklyn. $35, feh.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:43 (five days ago) Permalink

ha they are great

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:49 (five days ago) Permalink

The only review that makes me want to watch this:

https://blindfieldjournal.com/2018/02/09/fuck-off-to-back-where-you-came-from-notes-on-the-phantom-thread/

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:21 (five days ago) Permalink

that's a really good review

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:59 (five days ago) Permalink

See: designers, chefs, etc.

The masculine gentleman ‘artist’ appropriates the craft of proletarian women like his mother (sewing) and turns it into a private source of immense surplus-value in the production of aristocratic white femininity. This is a regime of value centrally predicated on the normative devaluation of most women: be they lower-class, ‘unladylike,’ fat, not fat enough, old, queer, unpretty, migrant, non-white or otherwise monstrous. This is my time, says Reynolds.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:12 (five days ago) Permalink

It's perceptive when it's not leaning on jargon.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:15 (five days ago) Permalink

I missed the whole Alma/Holocaust connection, hadn't heard or read anything about that.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:21 (five days ago) Permalink

You can always use google for jargon.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:23 (five days ago) Permalink

I agree with most of the arguments; it's that sentences like these are ungainly:

The Phantom Thread is a morbid depiction of social reproduction, where the gender division of labor appears as a toxic metabolism or circuit of necrotic value. The brutal poison of reification flows forth from Reynolds, attacking Alma’s body, and returns back again in the form of a deadly mushroom, penetrating Reynolds.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:26 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah no

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:35 (five days ago) Permalink

I like the shapes you get into when the unfamiliar concepts are used. Leading to that last sentence.

Read it yesterday and iirc (and for someone who hasn't seen it) that bit is possibly the toughest xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:37 (five days ago) Permalink

wtf

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:42 (five days ago) Permalink

lol it definitely does seem like it's coming directly from the polar opposite of how you approach and enjoy movies, Veg!

I can appreciate a lot of approaches but there were a few passages in that review where I was thinking the interpretation of the film's narrative was being stretched a little far in service of the points being rationalized

mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:13 (five days ago) Permalink

does he get paid by the syllable or

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:32 (five days ago) Permalink

*she

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:33 (five days ago) Permalink

That's a good review although yeah that para reads like parody - haven't read any other reviews but are they really not touching on that stuff at all? I somehow don't believe that

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:53 (five days ago) Permalink

I was instantly drawn in by until today I didn’t know who PT Anderson is

mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 19:23 (five days ago) Permalink

That review is glorious. I think the writer is aware of its academic excess, but keeps throwing those concepts out just b/c the review so readily lends itself to them. Her review has the same jaded sense of humor about itself as the film does.

Evan R, Thursday, 15 February 2018 22:58 (five days ago) Permalink

there's an author bio on the 'about' page for the site if you're curious

mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 22:59 (five days ago) Permalink

Loved this - though I can see why some might gripe. I generally agree with David Cairns take on it https://dcairns.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/needling/

Stevie T, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:59 (four days ago) Permalink

Ach, I can't believe I didn't consider the Hitchcock-Alma angle before...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:04 (four days ago) Permalink

thread

Few notes on third viewing of PHANTOM THEAD:

35mm is clearly the best viewing format for this. Less grain creates a bit more softness that gives it that late 1950s Eastmancolor that's more appropriate given the time period. (The intensity of the 70mm makes it a bit too 60s).

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) February 15, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:48 (four days ago) Permalink

Could go for a third viewing of this. Maybe I already posted this. But it’s sitting really well with me. And word of mouth is really great for it, hearing quotes from it regularly around town

flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:02 (four days ago) Permalink

The blindfield review is very interesting. I have a slight problem with the framing of it - that she saw it by accident, didn't know who this and that even were etc. It maaaay be true, of course, I just find it unlikely. Regardless of that, the review is perceptive and funny. I think it's more likely that she saw it because she thought it might be of use to illustrate an essay she had an inkling to write which, indeed, it did but it did so in ways that she didn't expect at all.

a friend tonight made a very good point by comparing the film to various Henry James stories. By halfway through she was convinced that she was completely in a Jamesian world - The Beast in the Jungle or The figure in the Carpet - the problem being that those James tales never give up their secrets, so that every detail (or clue) may be relevant to the solution that the reader devises or projects onto the story. If you release The Beast, as this film does, you risk exposing the scaffolding as being too flimsy to bear the weight of the conclusion or, conversely, too elaborate. If you don't provide the solution then no detail is extraneous or irrelevant, It just enriches the mystery.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:22 (four days ago) Permalink

Perhaps that's the point. That the film's conclusion just leaves a lot of dangling/phantom threads.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:27 (four days ago) Permalink

Totally got Jamesian Osmond/Merle vibes from Reynolds and Cyril.

Stevie T, Friday, 16 February 2018 22:49 (four days ago) Permalink

deffo

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:51 (four days ago) Permalink

has the colossal NYE party been discussed? that struck me as one of the most OTT moments (the extras/costumes alone) and i am not quite sure what to make of it. is this a typical NYE party for 1950s England?!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera)

LL, came across this last year after a reference in some novel, several years up on yt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAQ4Nis3Eyc

by the light of the burning Citroën, Saturday, 17 February 2018 02:14 (three days ago) Permalink

a friend tonight made a very good point by comparing the film to various Henry James stories. By halfway through she was convinced that she was completely in a Jamesian world - The Beast in the Jungle or The figure in the Carpet - the problem being that those James tales never give up their secret

yes OTM...I mean, the point of "The Figure in the Carpet" is that the protagonist never knows what the "figure" is (it's not a favorite of mine; I'm not a fan of his stories about writers and what we call now The Creative Process).

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 February 2018 02:19 (three days ago) Permalink

LL, came across this last year after a reference in some novel, several years up on yt:

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, February 16, 2018 9:14 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa thanks for posting this, incredible.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 17 February 2018 02:28 (three days ago) Permalink

Hitch and "Rear Window" confirmed sources in this recent interview with PTA at the Cinématheque Française.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn0jUdBxKlo

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 17 February 2018 11:37 (three days ago) Permalink

does he get paid by the syllable or

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, February 15, 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just a different level of exploitation lets be cool.

I have a slight problem with the framing of it - that she saw it by accident, didn't know who this and that even were etc. It maaaay be true, of course, I just find it unlikely. Regardless of that, the review is perceptive and funny. I think it's more likely that she saw it because she thought it might be of use to illustrate an essay she had an inkling to write which, indeed, it did but it did so in ways that she didn't expect at all.

I bought it because its a review of someone who isn't really a film-reviewer, that very much comes across.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:17 (three days ago) Permalink

when will you watch it?!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:18 (three days ago) Permalink

Been way too busy - maybe next week.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:22 (three days ago) Permalink

oh wow!! that looks like the same party!!
thank you for posting!! i'd have had no idea. glad i asked :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:53 (three days ago) Permalink

"if you wish to have a staring competition with me, you will lose."

Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 18 February 2018 01:49 (two days ago) Permalink

Ach, I can't believe I didn't consider the Hitchcock-Alma angle before...

Should you want to hear PTA's and Vicky Krieps's (competing) origin stories for the choice of the name Alma (she was originally going to be Agnes) then I recommend the PTA interview on this episode of BBC's The Film Programme. Also interesting to hear him wholeheartedly agree with interviewer Francine Stock that Cyril and Alma are the two main protagonists of the film: on the Phantom Thread edition of the generally excellent Last Picture Show podcast, I was surprised to hear them all call Cyril a supporting character.

Alba, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:20 (yesterday) Permalink

don't know if I mentioned but I watched Suspicion last week and it definitely reminded me of this. more so than Rebecca actually, since Cyril doesn't have the expected blowout/vengeance moment that Ms. Danvers does. but in Suspicion we're (similarly) led to expect an obvious outcome that turns out not to be true, and only in the film's final minutes.

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:27 (yesterday) Permalink


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