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What the fork this isn't on until 10 pm?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 21 September 2017 00:21 (three years ago) link

Watched the first season on Netflix, thought it was p good.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 21 September 2017 00:27 (three years ago) link

netflix internationally, thank god

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 September 2017 09:54 (three years ago) link

wkiw janet

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 12:49 (three years ago) link

That was great, I could handle all episodes being 2 x

Nice pivot with Ted Danson - in that he's definitely the bad guy, but you still kind of want him to do a good job

Also I like the whole cast in this. And it's a great example of something that's comforting without being "cosy" (although all Schur shows inevitably end up that way)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:18 (three years ago) link

I'm very curious to see how they'll manage to keep this up for an entire season.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:38 (three years ago) link

it was weird seeing danson and 'shawn' appear in back-to-back ads

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:52 (three years ago) link

one of the things i really (disproportionately) love about this show is the way janet appears and disappears. they have a cgi budget, they could magic her in and out of frame with some crazy wonky effect, but they chose to use jump cuts instead. it fits so much better with the show's pacing and comedy timing.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:01 (three years ago) link

didn't catch season 2 opener yet but this is like, the best normal network comedy on tv in years. i watched all of season 1 in one go, which never happens.

akm, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:29 (three years ago) link

janet is so good

akm, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:29 (three years ago) link

I read some info about the s1 finale and thought "this sounds super interesting, let me watch it" and put it on in the living room while my wife (who does not follow tv crit at all) was wrangling our kids.

Five minutes into the pilot, when Eleanor is looking at the clown paintings in her house, my wife looks up and says, "Oh I get it, she's in Hell."

(I lolled.)

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:51 (three years ago) link

I also binged the entire season over the course of this week.

Fantastic show, and I'm very, very glad that the non-Bell/Danson cast is getting and producing work this good.

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:07 (three years ago) link

Love this show, every part of it is great.

Janet happily explaining how she's not a person gets me every time.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:11 (three years ago) link

I can say without hyperbole that it is my favorite comedy discovery in a long, long while.

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:14 (three years ago) link

I just read that no one in the cast outside of Danson and Bell knew what the reveal was until after it was shot; apparently the two of them knew the entire season, but they kept it from the rest of the cast

akm, Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

Ted Danson laugh after being found out is all time.

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:34 (three years ago) link

it's simple, it's not even a joke, but every single time i love janet's (puzzled) you want me to do what? (beaming) okay!

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

Ugh, week to week sucks.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 21 September 2017 23:44 (three years ago) link

i love real eleanor / denise

na (NA), Friday, 22 September 2017 02:43 (three years ago) link

i love janet

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:02 (three years ago) link

janet is spectacular

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:05 (three years ago) link

Penis flattener

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:12 (three years ago) link

i want to talk about specific janet moments in series 1 but i don't think enough people here have seen it all the way through

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:23 (three years ago) link

Butthole spiders

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:06 (three years ago) link

janet with the potted cactus plants last season made me lol SO MUCH

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:23 (three years ago) link

i love chidi

also every detail about anthony's irl life is so beautifully, majestically dumb & perfect.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:25 (three years ago) link

double ep was v enjoyable

god this show is such a delight

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:27 (three years ago) link

yessssss the whole cactus thing

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 08:29 (three years ago) link

wow i have to watch all this again

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 08:29 (three years ago) link

i want to talk about specific janet moments in series 1 but i don't think enough people here have seen it all the way through

I always thought that the etiquette for specific show threads was that it was fine to talk about anything that has been broadcast already.

trishyb, Friday, 22 September 2017 09:51 (three years ago) link

oh cool, because i want to talk about the whole arc where she and jason got married and she proclaimed love and interest for him in the most detached and mechanical and brutally honest way possible, but he bought it because he's jason

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 09:53 (three years ago) link

and the cactus thing

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 09:53 (three years ago) link

I feel like even after just one season a character poll would be impossible

Shout out to "real Eleanor" though

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 September 2017 11:56 (three years ago) link

if michael was all-knowing AND had watched every episode like he said then he would know that the apartment belonged to monica's grandmother and that it was rent-controlled.

scott seward, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:36 (three years ago) link

look everyone loves janet, but i love the turn they're doing with "real eleanor" from being perfect in s1 to being an annoying diva in s2.
they're taking a big risk with s2 though, how it's basically incomprehensible without having watched all of s1. sitcoms usually encourage people to drop in on any episode.

na (NA), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:43 (three years ago) link

would totally watch Good Janet/Bad Janet spin-off.

scott seward, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:16 (three years ago) link

"they're taking a big risk with s2 though, how it's basically incomprehensible without having watched all of s1"

is anything really a risk anymore when you've got the binge dollars coming in? it's on netflix and hulu. and probably amazon and wherever else.

i wonder how much a network makes letting netflix show their show.

scott seward, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:19 (three years ago) link

michael is clearly not all-knowing

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:20 (three years ago) link

GF noted how nice it is to be gently lowered back into reality after Twin Peaks via The Good Place

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:21 (three years ago) link

michael is clearly not all-knowing

honestly this is the only aspect of the show's world that bugs me, like people can have private conversations that the architects can't see or hear? this is a tiny quibble, though.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:31 (three years ago) link

I interpret this as Michael not having been given the resources to properly monitor everyone, because he's working on a project his supervisors don't approve of, even though if it's successful it will really help the organization -- when everyone is torturing him or herself, you don't need such a huge staff.

trishyb, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:44 (three years ago) link

"when everyone is torturing him or herself, you don't need such a huge staff."

uh, except for the town of people who are in on it? that's a lot of overtime.

scott seward, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:41 (three years ago) link

That's just for now, though. Initial outlay to get the project up and running.

trishyb, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:32 (three years ago) link

honestly this is the only aspect of the show's world that bugs me

Well, they keep suggesting that Michael is actually terrible at his job, so that's seems like a good enough explanation.

My guess is that the season will work towards the gang and Michael teaming up against the larger aggressor (being Holt's husband from Brooklyn 99).

There is a typically TV critic indulgent thread on Twitter at the moment - they've decided it's a TV show about storytelling and other TV shows. I get the inclination but that is a godawful boring take on it.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:43 (three years ago) link

i'm rewatching on netflix and it definitely works better as a binge. a chapter a week is fine but less satisfying.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 September 2017 22:49 (three years ago) link

Michael isn't supposed to be omniscient - he's the guy setting up the Sims world and letting it run.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:17 (three years ago) link

they've decided it's a TV show about storytelling and other TV shows. I get the inclination but that is a godawful boring take on it.

"Area stoner thinks everyone on TV also stoned."

trishyb, Saturday, 23 September 2017 08:10 (three years ago) link

That speech Michael gave to his minions was all-time! “Sure, we could fire up the penis-flattener...”

DJI, Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:28 (three years ago) link

Just blew through the entire series this weekend. I paid no attention to the episode count so I was shocked when I realized the first season was over.

Not much to say that hasn't already been said. It's great, and I wish I hadn't sat on it for so long. Recognizing glimmers of oneself in the main characters is kind of a 'fun' game (the familiarity of Eleanor's relationship with her coworkers stung a bit).

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 September 2017 12:25 (three years ago) link


eleanor/chidi imo

i was still often devastated and felt like it was a solid ending but michael schur's romantic couplings really alienate me from his shows

I also felt like Eleanor and Chidi's romantic relationship was the weak point of this whole programme, and I feel like it would have been a much richer series if they hadn't bothered with it and had just been super-close friends. But Leslie Knope and Ben Wyatt are the greatest.

trishyb, Sunday, 2 February 2020 11:23 (seven months ago) link

man this hit me, but still pretty funny. fav moments: cosmic derek, nick offerman, and everything involving jason.

i was glad that they shouted out the leftovers in the beginning, cause the ep had a type of intense emotionalism that reminded me a lot of the leftovers' afterlife episodes.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:22 (seven months ago) link

uh, kinda spoilers i guess

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:23 (seven months ago) link

I thought this was as perfect an ending as you could hope for.

akm, Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:05 (seven months ago) link

it was definitely an a propos ending for the show it became over the last couple seasons

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:06 (seven months ago) link

we liked the finale, there were for sure some tears. the last season might've been hit + miss but i do think they nailed an effective finale. i agree that the final door bit was disquieting but in a good + interesting way. it reminded me (sry for bothering ya'all w/ my own personal beliefs itt one last time) of this idea in some jewish traditions that the afterlife is a process first of shedding all of the impediments and flaws that we worked on in the living world (normally conceptualized in the place of gehennim where ones sins are burnt away) and then heaven being this place of infinite levels of closeness to god. the interesting bit where it coincides imo is that each level that you scale growing closer to god is a level where your own differentiation + distinctiveness is blurred next to the infinite godhead. i don't think there's supposed to be a point where you totally slip away into the nothingness (since afterlife is supposed to be a holding pattern for the resurrection of the dead which is explicitly about differentiation/specificity) but there's definitely this concept of being nullified before the infinite creator such that yr essence and the essence of that which animates all creation becomes porous. that's how i imagined their final door. the show did get me thinking about my conceptions of afterlife and the world to come (as distinct from the afterlife). acc to many kabbalists there will be two messianic periods - one will be within the natural world and the other will be supernatural. the one within the natural world will still include crazy things like all nations of the world being at peace, but the supernatural one will have stuff like resurrection of the dead. i was thinking about some of the more interesting things i've learned about the second period - what makes them interesting is that they're impossible to understand as literally stated. like that we'll slay the leviathan fish and cover a tent with its skin and feast on it for like thousands + thousands of years.

Mordy, Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:11 (seven months ago) link

I have said this on multiple other threads, but I get tired of the dramatic payoff of these kind of upper-middlebrow comedy stories being “let’s make the audience care about if these characters get together in s3” instead of “let’s focus on entertaining and surprising our viewers with great plotting and writing.” Feels increasingly like “catching the feels” high concept is the new laugh track.

Obviously this show feels like it does more than just that; I should maybe start another thread.

In any case, once Good Place brought in the judge, I think that was one too many TWISTS for me and I never got completely back on board. Ending was mostly satisfying but various bad choices (take it sleazy?) and a general sense that some corners had been cut (and many added) left me outside looking in for dramatic closure. Tbrr I will still watch the JANET! spinoff though.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:17 (seven months ago) link

srsly - really should not be feasting on any kind of fish after the first day

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:17 (seven months ago) link

dammit xpost

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:18 (seven months ago) link

Part of what bugs me is how the show wants to have its cake and eat it too. Between the nudge-the-other-person-on-the-couch meta-comedy (Steenbergen! Offerman! Hey look it’s the show runner!) and then the “Don’t wake me when you leave to die forever” bathos, the theme vacillates too much for me to get into a groove. Any emotions I get feel heavy handed and overly directed.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:28 (seven months ago) link

Anyways, pass the Leviathan.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:28 (seven months ago) link

yeah a little bit it felt like crying at a particularly deft manipulative commercial but also you know you watch a show for a certain number of seasons you often catch feels at the end. even ones that overstayed their welcome a little bit. considering how challenging the premise ended up being i think they did a very good but imperfect job.

Mordy, Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:45 (seven months ago) link

Yeah I mean that's the thing, mostly when this show failed it failed at trying to do something interesting, which is more than I can say for almost any other show, and a lot of the time it didn't fail.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:12 (seven months ago) link

It's definitely a thing where after a couple seasons, a formerly wry & funny show will just start toying with your feelings for your imaginary friends. That said, this show getting sentimental shouldn't be a surprise.

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:28 (seven months ago) link

Ending was mostly satisfying but various bad choices (take it sleazy?)

pobody's nerfect

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 2 February 2020 19:02 (seven months ago) link

I mean, "take it sleazy" was a callback to a season or two ago when Michael mentioned that making that joke was among the human things he dreamed of doing. I do tend to agree if the point is that it wasn't really strong enough as either a joke or a dramatic moment. Giving an immortal demon-cum-angel the ability to take human form seems like a pretty big deal, though, and I'm not sure I get its significance in this show's mythology.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 01:53 (seven months ago) link

Hey look it’s the show runner!

I missed Schur's cameo?

The Offerman appearance wasn't on the nose imo - if you don't know that he's a famous actor who's also a woodworker, then he just appears to be a patient woodworker. If you know he's a famous actor who's also a woodworker, well of course that's who Tahani would want to learn woodworking from.

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Monday, 3 February 2020 08:37 (seven months ago) link

According to irl Offerman, that chair was total garbage btw. The producers had already selected a chair they thought looked nice and Offerman had to pretend it was quality craftmanship to his great dismay.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 February 2020 12:37 (seven months ago) link

haha!
next season, Nick Offerman's "The Wood Place" where he's tormented by sub-par furniture

kinder, Monday, 3 February 2020 12:55 (seven months ago) link

irl lol

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Monday, 3 February 2020 12:57 (seven months ago) link

lmao

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 3 February 2020 13:42 (seven months ago) link

lmbo kinder

maura, Monday, 3 February 2020 15:25 (seven months ago) link

wood watch

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 February 2020 15:53 (seven months ago) link

I admit my attention wandered a lot during the finale, it wasn't bad but felt like a lot of foregone conclusions.

also thought it was weird that at no point did the show explicitly acknowledge it's thematic undperinnings: transition from standard Western theology of the afterlife (heaven/hell) to an Eastern one (reincarnation/wheel of karma). I mean the final door, for ex, was obviously the achievement of nirvana/stepping off the wheel of karma and reincarnation and yet... no one mentioned it.

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:00 (seven months ago) link

Chidi did make a comment to the effect that "for spiritual questions, you need to look to the East" and cited a Buddhist conception of death as a wave rejoining the ocean.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:02 (seven months ago) link

There was something unsatisfying about it for me too, though.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:06 (seven months ago) link

Christian theology and Western ethical theories worked for a simpler world but life on Earth has become so complex that reincarnation and karma is all that works now?

Lol @ The Wood Place btw.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:08 (seven months ago) link

given where they went with it, i was a little disappointed that the door didn't let worthy spirits who felt complete back to the world to help the rest of us get it right i.e. good place buddhism didn't find a mahāyāna expression

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 3 February 2020 19:09 (seven months ago) link

Also jason spent 1000s of Jeremy Berimies ‘like a monk’ before going through the door with Chidi.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 3 February 2020 20:44 (seven months ago) link

I wish they hadn't felt the need to underline that with the dialogue tbh

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 20:48 (seven months ago) link

I noticed that too - but the thing is those are, at best tangential asides. At no point does Chidi (or anybody) say anything along the lines of "huh, maybe Saint Augustine was wrong and D.T. Suzuki was right!", not even when they were "designing" the new afterlife.

xps

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 February 2020 20:50 (seven months ago) link

Has it ever been that heavy handed? As Chidi got more sure of his own moral philosophy he referenced people less and less. Surely his ‘enlightenment’ would transcend all earthly philosophies and wouldn’t need the references and we wouldn’t comprehend it anyway.

It was kind of there in the first episode, everyone got the afterlife a bit right and it was Doug Fourcet who got it e most right (17% IIRC).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 3 February 2020 22:55 (seven months ago) link

St. Augustine is referenced in the final episode!

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 February 2020 23:00 (seven months ago) link

Just finished. I really liked it and the only thing that bothered me was being confused about Tahani's parents inexplicably being loving. We guffawed at the "keep it sleazy" because it was so unexpected and Danson sold it.

The couplings never bothered me; I actually may have liked them because they seemed pretty simple and straightforward.

I kind of thought they subtly underlined the wave/water/rejoining the earth thing with the little light dropping to Michael's storyline after eleanor walks through the door? I think it's nice to have more entertainment that isn't about fear of death and the unknown (like Coco).

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:52 (seven months ago) link

being confused about Tahani's parents inexplicably being loving

well they had gone through the process already of becoming better people in purgatory

Mordy, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:54 (seven months ago) link

the only thing that bothered me was being confused about Tahani's parents inexplicably being loving

The idea is that by the time they finally "make it" to the actual Good Place to reunite with Tahani, they've been reset countless times until they've finally truly corrected their personal defects. (xp!)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:54 (seven months ago) link

but Tahani and her sister were also surprised!

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:55 (seven months ago) link

I kind of can't keep the episodes in the last season straight and have a feeling I may have missed one.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:57 (seven months ago) link

I think it's nice to have more entertainment that isn't about fear of death and the unknown (like Coco).

?! Man I thought Coco was incredible.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:58 (seven months ago) link

I read that as a compliment to Coco actually.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:47 (seven months ago) link

oh yeah, I was wondering what the ? was for. Coco and The Good Place don't treat death as a horrifying, fearful event.

Yerac, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:53 (seven months ago) link

sorry, my bad, I misunderstood

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 20:00 (seven months ago) link

This was great when it remembered it could be sad *and* funny at the same time (Chidi’s calendar!) but I still kind of preferred the earlier, funnier, smarter ones

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:12 (seven months ago) link

A treat to get 4 seasons of Ted Danson doing this, though (even if evil Ted was better). WJH seemed v poorly served by this season, mind

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:15 (seven months ago) link

What’s Ted danson doing next?

Still bummed by the oh so short run of Bored to death. George is probably my favourite character he’s played.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:21 (seven months ago) link

Love that show

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:23 (seven months ago) link

What’s Ted danson doing next?

Tina Fey & Robert Carlock sold a direct-to-series project to NBC about Jack Donaghy running for mayor of NYC. Alec Baldwin spent a year on his usual hardball negotiating in the style that got 30 Rock cancelled mid-season, and now the series will star Danson as a businessman running for mayor of LA.

Agree that Bored To Death is apex Danson.

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Sunday, 9 February 2020 00:17 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

The republican convention moving to Jacksonville made me want to bump this thread

joygoat, Sunday, 14 June 2020 03:43 (three months ago) link

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— no context the good place (@nocontexttgp) March 1, 2019

fatuous salad (symsymsym), Sunday, 14 June 2020 03:49 (three months ago) link


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