Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

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Because something will happen. But here's the story of the day:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/apple-amazon-join-race-james-bond-film-rights-1035539

The James Bond sweepstakes has taken an unexpected turn. While Warner Bros. remains in the lead to land film distribution rights to the megafranchise — whose deal with Sony expired after 2015’s Spectre — a couple of unlikely suitors have emerged that also are in hot pursuit: Apple and Amazon.

The tech giants are willing to spend in the same ballpark as Warners, if not much more, for the rights, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. MGM has been looking for a deal for more than two years, and Sony, Universal and Fox also had been pursuing the property, with Warners and Sony the most aggressive.

But the emergence of Apple — which is considered such a viable competitor that Warners is now pressing MGM hard to close a deal — and Amazon shows that the digital giants consider Bond one of the last untapped brands (like a Marvel, Pixar or Lucasfilm) that could act as a game-changer in the content space. Apple’s and Amazon’s inclusion in the chase would indicate that more is on the table than film rights, including the future of the franchise if MGM will sell or license out for the right price.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:25 (four years ago) link

a game-changer in the content space

hhnnnnnnggggghhhhhhhh

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:27 (four years ago) link

"Revaluated and IP-exploited, not stirred."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:28 (four years ago) link

psyched for the bond/transparent crossover possibilities if amazon gets the rights tho

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:30 (four years ago) link

Everything is friggin' content and franchising now lol

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:41 (four years ago) link

A period take on Moonraker (the book) would be great, I think. I'd watch it anyway.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:47 (four years ago) link

All I want to know is what does this mean for my James Bond theme park

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:54 (four years ago) link

A period take on Moonraker (the book) would be great, I think. I'd watch it anyway.

Yeah I've long thought this. A 50s Bond TV series directly adapting the books, and basically portraying Bond as the monster he is. Anyway the book Moonraker has my favorite Fleming sequence, the extended club/dining/gambling bit near the front.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:04 (four years ago) link

gonna be a movie where Bond is mind-controlled using some kind of serum and does things like shoot Wimpy's employees and blow up politician's vehicles and then he manages to break free of the spell and realizes all the people he's killed and vows revenge against the mastermind, Spanish Flye

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:12 (four years ago) link

Xpost - Yes, amazing scene, and it's great spending all that time with M. I much prefer their relationship in the books - much less antagonistic and exposition-y.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:29 (four years ago) link

MGM's sole reason to exist is to sell the rights to Bond movies.. they should sell so they can put themselves out of their misery

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:31 (four years ago) link

xpost -- It's a great portrayal of a quietly nervous mindset about the future, on top of it being an entertainment.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:32 (four years ago) link

True! I only started reading the Bond books a couple years ago, and was very pleasantly surprised by how beautifully written and thoughtful they are (while still being totally weird, fun and lurid). .

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:42 (four years ago) link

i have been thinking about giving the books a go myself

maybe this year is my year...

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:45 (four years ago) link

MGM's sole reason to exist is to sell the rights to Bond movies.. they should sell so they can put themselves out of their misery

Steven Bach reckoned in Final Cut that owning Bond (and getting a distribution arm they ultimately couldn't use for a few years) was why MGM pounced on United Artists after Heaven's Gate crashed the company.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:49 (four years ago) link

Xpost - They're really good! I'd try Casino Royale or Moonraker to start. Avoid Goldfinger - it's the only one where the movie is better. And has too much golf.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:52 (four years ago) link

noted :)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:54 (four years ago) link

Might as well start with Casino, yeah -- kick it off with the whole shebang. Live and Let Die is *really* fucked up, I'd almost say skip it -- when the racism is just one of the problems with it, well, there you go. (Similarly, Dr No is extremely hard going.) But Moonraker continues things from there well enough.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:03 (four years ago) link

imo the man with the golden gun is more racist than live and let die, which is buoyed considerably by its blaxploitation vibe and in which the racist white sheriff is a long punchline. said racist white sheriff becomes a goofy but lovable racist sidekick in golden gun

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:09 (four years ago) link

oh fuck you're talking about the books, sorry lol

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (four years ago) link

the books are super fucked up

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (four years ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, let's not confuse our mediums here.

I will say that whenever people complained about how they changed things from the books, not only was it in many cases for the better, but in one case -- The Spy Who Loved Me -- Fleming explicitly laid down a condition that if an adaptation was made the only thing that could be used was the title, nothing else. So they just remade You Only Live Twice and made Moore's best 70s Bond film as a result.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:29 (four years ago) link

why the condition for just the one book?

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:33 (four years ago) link

Due to its poor critical reception at the time -- also it's a very atypical book in all compared to the rest: first person narration, the 'me' being a woman who Bond eventually rescues. He doesn't show up until more than half way through it, IIRC!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:52 (four years ago) link

It's a fun book if you're interested in a peak at Fleming's weird ideas, and well-written as usual. But yeah, very skippable. The movie's fun - maybe the only 100% successful Moore movie - but I don't consider it an "improvement" as it's effectively a different story with the same title. Goldfinger, otoh, seems to have been written by someone who understood exactly what was wrong with the book and how to fix it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (four years ago) link

(peek, sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (four years ago) link

Goldfinger screenplay co-written by an interesting writer and critic called Paul Dehn, who also wrote the screenplay for the The Spy Who Came in From the Cold and a number of the Planet of the Apes movies(as well as the lyrics to the faux folk song 'O Willow Waly' that features in the film The Innocents). Dehn's long-term partner was James Bernard, who wrote the music for most of the classic Hammer horrors.

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:33 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Ugh.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:14 (three years ago) link

Cilliam Murphy is....

Bond

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:31 (three years ago) link

I'm gonna call it and say Danny Boyle will make a Bond movie that'll be better than the last three.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 02:32 (three years ago) link

yeah i am willing to roll the dice with Boyle.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:50 (three years ago) link

Boyle I think is good with dynamic action, the problem with Mendes was while he made everything look like a painting, his compositions I thought were a bit too "big" if that makes sense and for all the movement within the frames everything seemed very inert in a lot of ways bc he went oversized. I can't put my finger on it precisely idk. He wanted to do elegant vv pretty action and it was just DOA. He was trying to achieve the same end result as Bird and McQuarrie did with MI 4 and 5 and it just didn't work. Boyle I trust to actually achieve something a bit more in keeping with what Martin Campbell did in Casino Royale.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:04 (three years ago) link

I agree with what you said about Mendes, but obviously John Logan was a major problem as well. The villains in the last two Bonds were shite, the plots messy, tonally they were all over the place, a mix of the blunt killer Bond of CR and QOS with silly Q-teasing Bond, featuring the old Bond cars and the old Bond cliches and the old Moneypenny (sort of).

Logan's gone, thankfully. Not sure if Purvis & Wade are working with Boyle and Hodge or if we get the first Bond since Tomorrow Never Dies not co-written by the pair.

abcfsk, Friday, 16 March 2018 08:57 (three years ago) link

Yeah definitely can't take away from John Logan's influence, I think there's a balance the best Bonds achieve between serious business and casual humor that the last couple especially failed at. They were trying to be very impressive and they were also the most glaring examples of a perfectly decent franchise trying to Dark Knight things up a bit. Okay the Cumberbatch Star Trek was probably worse actually.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:40 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

Well, well

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (three years ago) link

Time to stop making auteur wishlists for the Bond director gig.. The Broccolis will always want to ghost direct!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:38 (three years ago) link

there goes their shot at making this at least quasi interesting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:39 (three years ago) link

Thought the revive would be about the rumours that Idris Elba is lined up to play Bond.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:57 (three years ago) link

More interesting than the director is whether the script goes ahead without Purvis & Wade as planned

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:58 (three years ago) link

God, please

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 20:12 (three years ago) link

Danny Boyle would've made a fun Bond sure but I do still look forward to Ken Loach's take on the iconic spy

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) August 22, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 18:58 (three years ago) link

Loach, Gareth Evans or Joanna Hogg, all fine by me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:03 (three years ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:05 (three years ago) link

Don't know if Craig has any sway but as they worked on Logan Lucky together I wouldn't rule it out.

FWIW would love to see what Paul Verhoeven would do with it.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:13 (three years ago) link

james gunn’s available iirc

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:18 (three years ago) link

Albert Brooks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:21 (three years ago) link

Brad Bird

omar little, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:26 (three years ago) link

i was gonna say it's a little redundant but basically any m:i director not named jj abrams would've prob made a good bond film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:35 (three years ago) link

Verhoeven doing a PG-13 action film would be a waste.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:42 (three years ago) link

otoh I agree that think Safin's plans weren't all that clear - what is obvious is that his list has millions of people on it, to target with the killer nanobots, so he does plan to kill/subjugate millions of people, but for what purpose is unclear. the Wikipedia summary surmised it as "create a New World Order", but I suspect he's just sociopathic based on his whole family being killed rather than having plans to create a one government planet in which he is the ruler.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:58 (one week ago) link

xpost because in his mind, Blofeld (who is new in this universe, and not a long-established nemesis) was less likely to be angry/bored enough to pay people to live near a cemetery in Italy in case Bond ever showed up as opposed to Occam's Razor saying his wife sold him out. esp since his previous girlfriend practically did the same thing (although not so much getting him killed, she just absconded with the money and pretended to be in love with him).

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:00 (one week ago) link

this movie probably did have the best 'bond. james bond' moment ever tbf

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:19 (one week ago) link

i guess i can talk in detail about this movie now, one of the things i really loved is the opening shot bringing to mind the severnaya levels of goldeneye 007

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:24 (one week ago) link

also whenever the action got roger moore ott, that was my shit

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:24 (one week ago) link

Did the movie explain how Safin could afford to build the secret base and have an army of henchmen (who didn't bleed when shot because PG-13)? I must have glazed over when that bit of exposition happened, in whichever movie it occurred.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:26 (one week ago) link

he was an early investor in Bitcoin

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:26 (one week ago) link

One thing I've been turning over in my mind would be comparing the reactions in the alternate universe between the 'engineered plague is unleashed out of East Asia' plot between if this had been the last big movie out before worldwide lockdown -- which it almost was by just a couple of weeks -- versus now.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:27 (one week ago) link

yeah the “accidentally killing someone by touching them” thing vibrated weirdly

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:31 (one week ago) link

i was like damn they filmed this two years before covid and it’s got intense covid themes

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:33 (one week ago) link

SPECTRE is now out, so they will be replaced in next film by the Socialist Humanist Autonomist Radical Troops

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:41 (one week ago) link

4th film: ... a division of SPECTRE Enterprises

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:42 (one week ago) link

Nah it'll be some sort terror plot via radioactive NFTs.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:52 (one week ago) link

Anyway my favorite 'where the fuck IS this' moment was the first shot of the coastal island highway and then when the film revealed it was Norway I was all "Oh...that makes sense."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:53 (one week ago) link

yeah that highway was wild

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:15 (one week ago) link

i wanna ride it
oh my fjord

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:18 (one week ago) link

the one downside to Billy Magnusson being in any movie is you always know if he's playing a good guy he's going to wind up being an actual bad guy.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

007 is a black woman? bond is fighting AGAINST her?

Actually, Commander Bond gave her the lead, sir

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:51 (one week ago) link

that was a CIA vs MI6 thing and Bond only took the CIA's side because he was appalled at M allowing the development of the nanobot techonlogy

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

i know. but in the film it’s just a plot mechanic. seems like it would merit more “wtf”ness, deal-making, atonement… something

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 16:59 (one week ago) link

something else about these (that i'm sure i'm not the first to mention) is that they nearly always seem to want to put about 5 movies worth of location and circumstance into the same movie. the boat, the red lights, the short, ugly fight, felix... all that was beautiful and incredible. santiago, the vibe there, the federales, the rooftop escape, ana de armas.. man i would have liked a whole movie of that.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 19:53 (one week ago) link

the running bit of every female spy going “no, I am NOT trying to seduce you, Bond!” was subtle enough that it played, imo

mh, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:25 (five days ago) link

the running bit of how we should care what his agent number is was dreadful

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:26 (five days ago) link

so dumb. especially the "I bet you thought they'd retire it." uhh yeah he thought he was so great that they would permanently reduce their entire workforce by 11% in order to... make up for not having him anymore?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:47 (five days ago) link

cute enough 1 time but they returned to it a bunch of times lol

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:49 (five days ago) link

idk i feel like there are plenty of numbers xp

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:50 (five days ago) link

it's not necessarily 11% there's an 0012 mentioned in one of the books

mark s, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:52 (five days ago) link

tho, ngl, i was annoyed not to know Bond's new, temporary number

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:53 (five days ago) link

0069

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (five days ago) link

oh hell yeah

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (five days ago) link

“No fade” is a great nickname for that guy xp

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:05 (five days ago) link

ty mark - turns out this was 0011, in Moonraker

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:07 (five days ago) link

I hated this but loved Ana De Armas

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 21 October 2021 05:00 (four days ago) link

do they ever determine if there was any time to die?

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 October 2021 04:28 (three days ago) link

Around 2:45pm EST

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 October 2021 05:13 (three days ago) link

big doings are just barely acknowledged. 007 is a black woman? bond is fighting AGAINST her? the bioweapon was actually developed by MI6? bond finally gets the baddie? (several times?) any of these things could have been the organising principle for great moments of high leverage and difficult choices but they just.... happen.

i couldn't disagree with this more. i hate it when movies dwell on big doings, i really appreciated how they just kept this one moving along like its nbd

flopson, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:04 (two days ago) link

yeah same. especially in Bond

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:12 (two days ago) link

lol guys i’m not talking about making everything weepy and “meaningful” like skyfall i’m talking about basic dramatic techniques for generating suspense and interest

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:29 (two days ago) link

nope sorry yr overruled

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:00 (two days ago) link

lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:00 (two days ago) link

I saw this last night and really enjoyed it. My first theater experience since Invisible Man. I rank it just below CR in the Craig Bond canon.

I do have some nitpicks to mention:

- The ineffective bomb followed by the ineffective assassins -- another of Blofeld's harebrained schemes I guess. Too similar to the random hotel assassins they added to the Connery/Moore movies for my taste.

- Lucifer Boat's plan changing from the thematic targeting of families, to being a standard Bond villain.

- Bond conveniently running into a dangerous place instead of spending a few extra seconds to walk around it.

- The movie saying it's really Bond's child around 3 times, and expecting it to be a big reveal the third time.

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 October 2021 13:08 (yesterday) link

i forgot to mention another thing my 12-yo said that i had to stifle a laugh at. at the beginning where we see lea seydoux and bond in the water, at the beach, we pull out for a wide shot and he goes “wow, great colour grading”

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 24 October 2021 13:47 (yesterday) link

Another nitpick: the Swann/Safin connection didn't amount to anything. Bond already had the Foxdie in him from the birthday party.

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:23 (yesterday) link

i thought that was a different strain cooked up by obruchev on safin’s orders that just killed spectre agents (not sure how the dna part of that is supposed to work unless spectre is all related to each other…)

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:48 (yesterday) link

Foxdie

Thank you I was thinking about this the whole time

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:04 (yesterday) link

looking forward to watching this on my phone and complaining about the dialogue

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:17 (yesterday) link

ffs they showed the little nano bot programming rig being loaded with all the spectra agents’ profiles (after a not too subtle switch from the one containing only Bond’s profile) when our socially inept Russian scientist was in cuba

the one red herring that went nowhere was the kid, at the beginning of the scenic auto chase, saying something about mosquitos. I was thinking for a minute “wait, is the kid actually Blofeld’s or a spectre agent’s? is she going to get sick because she’s Mr. White’s granddaughter?” but that went nowhere

mh, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:26 (yesterday) link

so russian guy put every spectre member on it, except for blofeld? why

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:32 (yesterday) link

Blofeld was in prison and wouldn't be at the party. They had a separate plan for Blofeld and it worked

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:51 (yesterday) link

xpost yeah mh i thought the mosquito bite meant she’d been poisoned - maybe they took out that storyline bc too dark or something

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 October 2021 16:29 (yesterday) link


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