the TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN non-plot-specific summing-up thread

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ie, people who have seen it distill their impressions for people who haven't yet.

I already know 'too much' (Dougie, Coop's reawakening, glass box) so keep it to vague and glittering generalities, if you can.

(I would've revived an older thread but Search seems to be fucked again.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:25 (two years ago) link

lol morbs you know incredibly little

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:27 (two years ago) link

yeah perhaps but there's more i know and i'd prefer not to know anything, ideally

but it's 2017, a bad world

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:34 (two years ago) link

it's a hugely inventive and affecting series of concepts and vignettes that don't always conclude, with specific ruminations on time (the passage of it, the indistinctness of it) and moments of fan service where you might least expect them. it's also rewarding in ways that absolutely will not be clear until you've seen the entire thing.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 11:31 (two years ago) link

It's about owls basically

streeps of range (wins), Monday, 4 September 2017 12:14 (two years ago) link

twin peaks the return is an anagram of ornithology twank

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 12:23 (two years ago) link

It's basically about never being able to go back home, in the end.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 13:54 (two years ago) link

(That statement is simultaneously glib, literal, and probably more symbolically apropos than I even realized when I typed it out.)

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 13:56 (two years ago) link

^ in agreement with Old Lunch.

Pataphysician, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:09 (two years ago) link

and moments of fan service

aloooooowly i turn....

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:38 (two years ago) link

There are a few moments where Lynch gives the fans exactly what they think they want, and a few others where it seems like he's going to give the fans what they want but yanks it away at the last minute, but the bulk of it is about completely smashing the hopes and dreams of the coffee n' cherry pie set. You will be pleasantly surprised by at least that much, Morbs.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:06 (two years ago) link

Disagree based on 16 episodes. The coffee n pie set are strawmen to a whineyesque degree because the show was never just that to anybody, and inasmuch as might have been expected there were indeed significant elements of fan service involved without that ever having become the entire point or another inhibitor to it being something distinct and new

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link

The tone of the show varies wildly from episode to episode.

Moodles, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:17 (two years ago) link

Scene to scene, def

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:17 (two years ago) link

i understand this is a different animal, but the original was similarly varied scene to scene. A young film critic seeing it earlier this year said it seemed more 'soap opera' and less 'Twin Peaks weirdness' than he'd expected.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:23 (two years ago) link

in the orig series rewatch i am appreciating how Albert sort of functions as a series skeptic: "Is (the giant) related to the dwarf?"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:30 (two years ago) link

Yeah I think cooper is our guy who tells us it's all ok just feel yr way around and Albert is that other guy

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:36 (two years ago) link

since there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:56 (two years ago) link

don't forget judy garland

i wish i had all of these on DVD so i could just mail them to you!!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:47 (two years ago) link

Saying there's fan service in this is so literal yet misleading it's like a prank.

Chris L, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:52 (two years ago) link

(Sheriff Cable voice) got a fan in the Palmer house, has a service...

Chris L, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:53 (two years ago) link

morbs you could just steal this series off the internet

akm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

Morbs, I honestly think you'll love the new series once you get to it

Moodles, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:58 (two years ago) link

Xp as many people have said this feels a lot like "if mulholland dr pilot had been picked up", I think a mistake ppl make tho is assuming every single one of the threads in md would have "gone somewhere" if it had continued on

― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:41 (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^not a bad summing-up of the return from 1 week in

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:20 (two years ago) link

ince there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

it's the same Judy from the last edition

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:26 (two years ago) link

we're not gonna talk about judy

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:09 (two years ago) link

i don't remember a Judy

but I'm only up to ep12 in the reatch

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:11 (two years ago) link

*rewatch

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:11 (two years ago) link

there is no Judy in the original series. The name "Judy" is briefly uttered in FWWM.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:12 (two years ago) link

shame on you, sic

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:13 (two years ago) link

Technically there is a Judy in the original series, she's played by molly shannon

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:37 (two years ago) link

ok fine

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:44 (two years ago) link

we're not going to talk about molly shannon

I would have died laughing if her character turned out to be important in the Return

akm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:45 (two years ago) link

i loved that one scene where she plunged her hands deeeeep into her armpits, then held the odorous fingers up to her nostrils and inhaled so deeply. the intake of her breath seems especially crisp (sound design by david lynch showing here) and it lasts a couple beats longer than you'd expect. then: "Starring Kyle McLachlan"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:57 (two years ago) link

since this thread has served its major function i'd like to say thanks also - it's been a lovely and stimulating thread and it's been a good time! an excellent reminder of what ilx is at its best!

i'd like to say thanks to ilx lurker, Priory, who sent me a helpful email off the back of this thread. I was unable to reply to your message since I couldn't find your details (ilx mail doesn't allow one to simply respond to a message!) - anyway, thanks and please de-lurk. x

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:32 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-_aJ1BiFE

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:37 (two years ago) link

FWWM is the last edition!

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:52 (two years ago) link

wrong thread obv!

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:55 (two years ago) link

Now that it's over, I've signed up for a free month of Hulu & Showtime and am binge watching. With all the weekly episode synopses that have been published (AV Club, Vulture, etc.), what's a good one for spotting small details, making connections and theorizing? Bonus points for a good comments section.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:24 (two years ago) link

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

one way street, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:33 (two years ago) link

i can't say i read a ton of recaps, but whenever i ran across the Vulture recaps i thought they did a pretty good job and i usually learned a thing or two as well

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:39 (two years ago) link

Just watched 17 then dinner then let's do this

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:43 (two years ago) link

Your optimism is cute

Moodles, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:44 (two years ago) link

unless you know something I don't, dinner is guaranteed and the download of ep 18 is fine

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:47 (two years ago) link

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com🕸 and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

Cosign all of this. I've heard the av club & culture reviews are good but haven't really read anything about the show beyond bocko's blog & the ilx thread

streeps of range (wins), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:51 (two years ago) link

i've pretty much only read jess zimmerman's recaps on vice, those are all excellent

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:51 (two years ago) link

Emily Stephens is probably the best writer at the AV Club and her recaps were quite good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 September 2017 18:19 (two years ago) link

Dinner was good

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link

ayyyyyyy love dinner

streeps of range (wins), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link

Jesus do I really have to go through all the bad takes before giving out about this on the other thread

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 21:30 (two years ago) link

I just finished the fourth episode. So far I'm glad it exists but I'm not blown away either. Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:31 (two years ago) link

comedy/horror of duration, as we discussed in the Lynch thread

was genuinely surprised when J J Leigh showed up

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:36 (two years ago) link

Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

it gets worse.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

Slow TV, doodz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (two years ago) link

Morbs, lecturing on teevee politics.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (two years ago) link

I've said elsewhere that this feels like the OG 9-episode Showtime order spread margarine thin to self-indulgent effect. I watched eps 1-9, one at a time, and had to stop for a while.

rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:42 (two years ago) link

on another TP thread I wrote that it reminded me of Bela Tarr, but worse, and that it careens wildly from tone to tone, idea to idea (in a way that doesn’t seem entirely in control). I said that the true believers argue this is part of the appeal, but it just kinda seems gratuitous.

The intrinsic dullness of soap-operas shines through in the Dougy bits, but it isn't as biting or clever as "Invitation to Love" once was.

rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:46 (two years ago) link

hmmm

Lynchiacs remind me of Deadheads sometime

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:54 (two years ago) link

lol

"it's about the notes they don't play, the lines they don't say, the plot lines they don't resolve"

flappy bird, Saturday, 24 February 2018 00:23 (two years ago) link

My advice is do NOT binge watch TPTR. It thrives on pauses between utterances. No more than 2 episodes a day imo

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:33 (two years ago) link

agreed

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:05 (two years ago) link

Sherilyn Fenn should be cast in the Dianne Feinstein bio pic.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:06 (two years ago) link

I finished it! It irritated the hell out of me for the tortuous middle stretch (Episode Nine + three or so). The last two episodes moved me more than expected, and I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show, nor did I re-watch to remember (I've never seen the second season, for example. I love Fire Walk With Me fwiw.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:08 (two years ago) link

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

flappy bird, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:10 (two years ago) link

(Episode Nine + three or so)

might agree that 9-10's the dip but 11 is great ("keep your blood", turkey jerky, "...you're not gonna tell me what she said?!") and tho the cherry pie is the most defiantly dreamlogiced thing in the show i love 11 for "mr. jackpots, thank you again!" "thank you... again"

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:37 (two years ago) link

sorry, first one there should be 12

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:38 (two years ago) link

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

otm, if you were to watch just one thing lynch has ever done, the back half of the final s2 twin peaks episode would have to be it. unparalleled and properly haunting.

reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:44 (two years ago) link

yes, that and the amazing episode 8 of the return, and I'd maybe even throw in the final episode of the return...among the best bits of Lynche's oeuvre

akm, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:59 (two years ago) link

I admire Episode 8 and never want to watch it again.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:24 (two years ago) link

I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show

fp bait

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 March 2018 08:55 (two years ago) link

cross out "not"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:15 (two years ago) link

You're a lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show?

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:22 (two years ago) link

I should poll my replies

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:28 (two years ago) link

This thread reminded me that I saw three or four episodes of nu-Peaks and then forgot to continue with it (which is to say, was not compelled). A lot of you folks like it, though, and I had a neighbor loudly sing its praises at length last summer, so maybe I'll dive in again. It brought to mind the cast of Twin Peaks dropped into the middle of a Phantasm miniseries.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:06 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

i never know which twin peaks S3 thread to revive. anyway this is silly but fun

Where do you fall in this #TwinPeaks alignment chart? pic.twitter.com/YyupEvEBmm

— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) June 15, 2018

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 22:16 (one year ago) link

Mr. C is not lawful wtf

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 June 2018 22:20 (one year ago) link

yeah, they kind of stretched it with that one. i guess, that compared to doppelcooper and booper (their terms not mine) he's more lawful, more inclined to sort of blend into society, enough to get a table at a diner and shit like that.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 22:23 (one year ago) link

laughed today remembering that scene where Cole calls Truman and when Cole shouts into the phone, Truman pulls the wrong end of the phone away.

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 June 2018 07:20 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Sad about Robert Forster. I know the cast was old but I never would have imagined there would have been so many deaths already.

Alba, Saturday, 12 October 2019 14:25 (five months ago) link

Don't discount the possibility that the script may be cursed.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 12 October 2019 14:30 (five months ago) link

They discovered something inside the story

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 12 October 2019 14:34 (five months ago) link

Twin Peaks Season 4 cast changes

Frank Silva ... Stock footage
Michael J. Anderson ... A cartoon talking dead tree
Michael Ontkean ... Robert Forster
Robert Forster ... John Saxon's voice through a walkie talkie
David Bowie ... An enormous coffee pot
Don S. Davis ... A cardboard cutout
Miguel Ferrer ... A sarcastic elk who only appears as a reflection in a coffee cup
Warren Frost ... An old light bulb that's somehow been burning for over 100 years
Harry Dean Stanton ... Some dried acadia leaves in a velvet bag
Jack Nance ... A fish in a percolator
Frances Bay ... A wistful sigh of regret
Jimmy Scott ... The desiccated corpse of Jimmy Scott
Peggy Lipton ... Clarence Williams III
Catherine Coulson ... Moira Kelly

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 12 October 2019 18:12 (five months ago) link

would watch

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 12 October 2019 18:14 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

Left off with episode 8 a year-plus ago. Probably do 8 & 9 this weekend. It's now or neverrrrr….

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:51 (two weeks ago) link

Do it!!!

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:02 (two weeks ago) link

of course I barely know who some characters are now

takeaway from 2nd look at "Gotta Light?" is NIN is still boring

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 March 2020 11:43 (two weeks ago) link

eps 9 & 10 were p weird and grim, save for Dougie-Janey sex scene

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:53 (two weeks ago) link

weird and grim is the prevailing twin peaks season 3 mood

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:59 (two weeks ago) link

psyched for you to finish morbs

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

if only to know your thoughts on the last episode

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, 'weird + grim' pretty otm as descriptor of The Return. Not sure I'd be up to watching it at this particular moment, tbrr.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

that dougie-janey sex scene is one of the strangely uplifting sex scenes i can think of

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:58 (two weeks ago) link

well I meant weird as in even more narrative stasis than usual, not Lynchweird

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

also, only Lynch-related but not specifically for The Return (sorry), but i watched Todd Hayne's Safe the other night and was struck by how it seems to be both influenced BY Lynch (esp with certain close-ups of flowers and neighborhoods looking like Blue Velvet) and also an influence ON Lynch (the front of the car highway shots at the beginning of 1995's Safe (Lost Highway in 1997, and Mulholland Drive a couple years later); the shots of mansions up on a hill (also in Mulholland Drive). not just the subject matter of those things, but also the cinematography. The highway scenes, especially, made me think "Lynch MUST have seen this"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

When I watched the dead don’t die I had the strong impression that it was the first major post-tptr work, & was vindicated to see an interview with jj where he praised it & said something like “why isn’t lynch given as much money as he wants to do whatever he wants”

It isn’t just you, doc, the four episodes after part 8 are def seen as weird and static by a lot of people. I adore this stretch obv (esp part 12)

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

I think Wild at Heart also has the road shots, which was before Safe. He uses that a lot.

While stuck at home I’ve rewatched all things Lynch, even the commercials and *shudder* the Duran Duran movie. The Return holds up well, even if it sometimes works better as a collection of Lynchisms than a coherent narrative. It helps to know that a lot of minor subplots won’t resolve and that it doesn’t really matter who Billy is. I love the last episode maybe more than Got A Light? Still not sure about the green glove bit.

I started reading the screenplay to Ronnie Rocket, and interestingly enough it features a character who is transformed through vague electrical “magic” into a passive character who repeats back what others say, like Dougie.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

psyched for you to finish morbs

will try to finish b4 i'm finished, could be tough with 2019 film poll also comin' up

u guys are killin' me, no really

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

I see by a search i'm not the first to point this out (Reddit), but Cooper in eps 17-18 could've learned from Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever" Star Trek episode that you can't fix history.

There's a sort of just (if grim) comeuppance in Cooper learning this, bcz I never accepted the character's face-value heroism as many seem to, with his annoyingly sunny "give yourself a present" Boy Scout shit.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:42 (six days ago) link

Have to admit I was hoping "Richard and Linda" would result in a Thompsons music cue.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:00 (six days ago) link

"My dreams have withered and died" would have been a little too on the money.

Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:04 (six days ago) link


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