the TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN non-plot-specific summing-up thread

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ie, people who have seen it distill their impressions for people who haven't yet.

I already know 'too much' (Dougie, Coop's reawakening, glass box) so keep it to vague and glittering generalities, if you can.

(I would've revived an older thread but Search seems to be fucked again.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:25 (one year ago) Permalink

lol morbs you know incredibly little

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:27 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah perhaps but there's more i know and i'd prefer not to know anything, ideally

but it's 2017, a bad world

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:34 (one year ago) Permalink

it's a hugely inventive and affecting series of concepts and vignettes that don't always conclude, with specific ruminations on time (the passage of it, the indistinctness of it) and moments of fan service where you might least expect them. it's also rewarding in ways that absolutely will not be clear until you've seen the entire thing.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 11:31 (one year ago) Permalink

It's about owls basically

streeps of range (wins), Monday, 4 September 2017 12:14 (one year ago) Permalink

twin peaks the return is an anagram of ornithology twank

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 12:23 (one year ago) Permalink

It's basically about never being able to go back home, in the end.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

(That statement is simultaneously glib, literal, and probably more symbolically apropos than I even realized when I typed it out.)

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 13:56 (one year ago) Permalink

^ in agreement with Old Lunch.

Pataphysician, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

and moments of fan service

aloooooowly i turn....

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:38 (one year ago) Permalink

There are a few moments where Lynch gives the fans exactly what they think they want, and a few others where it seems like he's going to give the fans what they want but yanks it away at the last minute, but the bulk of it is about completely smashing the hopes and dreams of the coffee n' cherry pie set. You will be pleasantly surprised by at least that much, Morbs.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Disagree based on 16 episodes. The coffee n pie set are strawmen to a whineyesque degree because the show was never just that to anybody, and inasmuch as might have been expected there were indeed significant elements of fan service involved without that ever having become the entire point or another inhibitor to it being something distinct and new

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:10 (one year ago) Permalink

The tone of the show varies wildly from episode to episode.

Moodles, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Scene to scene, def

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:17 (one year ago) Permalink

i understand this is a different animal, but the original was similarly varied scene to scene. A young film critic seeing it earlier this year said it seemed more 'soap opera' and less 'Twin Peaks weirdness' than he'd expected.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:23 (one year ago) Permalink

in the orig series rewatch i am appreciating how Albert sort of functions as a series skeptic: "Is (the giant) related to the dwarf?"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah I think cooper is our guy who tells us it's all ok just feel yr way around and Albert is that other guy

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:36 (one year ago) Permalink

since there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

don't forget judy garland

i wish i had all of these on DVD so i could just mail them to you!!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Saying there's fan service in this is so literal yet misleading it's like a prank.

Chris L, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:52 (one year ago) Permalink

(Sheriff Cable voice) got a fan in the Palmer house, has a service...

Chris L, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:53 (one year ago) Permalink

morbs you could just steal this series off the internet

akm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Morbs, I honestly think you'll love the new series once you get to it

Moodles, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Xp as many people have said this feels a lot like "if mulholland dr pilot had been picked up", I think a mistake ppl make tho is assuming every single one of the threads in md would have "gone somewhere" if it had continued on

― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:41 (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^not a bad summing-up of the return from 1 week in

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:20 (one year ago) Permalink

ince there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

it's the same Judy from the last edition

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:26 (one year ago) Permalink

we're not gonna talk about judy

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:09 (one year ago) Permalink

i don't remember a Judy

but I'm only up to ep12 in the reatch

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

*rewatch

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

there is no Judy in the original series. The name "Judy" is briefly uttered in FWWM.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:12 (one year ago) Permalink

shame on you, sic

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Technically there is a Judy in the original series, she's played by molly shannon

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:37 (one year ago) Permalink

ok fine

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:44 (one year ago) Permalink

we're not going to talk about molly shannon

I would have died laughing if her character turned out to be important in the Return

akm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:45 (one year ago) Permalink

i loved that one scene where she plunged her hands deeeeep into her armpits, then held the odorous fingers up to her nostrils and inhaled so deeply. the intake of her breath seems especially crisp (sound design by david lynch showing here) and it lasts a couple beats longer than you'd expect. then: "Starring Kyle McLachlan"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:57 (one year ago) Permalink

since this thread has served its major function i'd like to say thanks also - it's been a lovely and stimulating thread and it's been a good time! an excellent reminder of what ilx is at its best!

i'd like to say thanks to ilx lurker, Priory, who sent me a helpful email off the back of this thread. I was unable to reply to your message since I couldn't find your details (ilx mail doesn't allow one to simply respond to a message!) - anyway, thanks and please de-lurk. x

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:32 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-_aJ1BiFE

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:37 (one year ago) Permalink

FWWM is the last edition!

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:52 (one year ago) Permalink

wrong thread obv!

Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Now that it's over, I've signed up for a free month of Hulu & Showtime and am binge watching. With all the weekly episode synopses that have been published (AV Club, Vulture, etc.), what's a good one for spotting small details, making connections and theorizing? Bonus points for a good comments section.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

one way street, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:33 (one year ago) Permalink

i can't say i read a ton of recaps, but whenever i ran across the Vulture recaps i thought they did a pretty good job and i usually learned a thing or two as well

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Just watched 17 then dinner then let's do this

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Your optimism is cute

Moodles, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink

unless you know something I don't, dinner is guaranteed and the download of ep 18 is fine

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:47 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com🕸 and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

Cosign all of this. I've heard the av club & culture reviews are good but haven't really read anything about the show beyond bocko's blog & the ilx thread

streeps of range (wins), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i've pretty much only read jess zimmerman's recaps on vice, those are all excellent

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Emily Stephens is probably the best writer at the AV Club and her recaps were quite good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 September 2017 18:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Dinner was good

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

ayyyyyyy love dinner

streeps of range (wins), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Jesus do I really have to go through all the bad takes before giving out about this on the other thread

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 September 2017 21:30 (one year ago) Permalink

"narrative deserves only our derision" reads like a characterization of postmodernism by... someone who thinks you can be rescued from it by television

difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 February 2018 23:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Narrative is funny though.

Alba, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Jeeze I'd say one would only have to watch 10 minutes of THE ELEPHANT MAN to realise where Lynch's heart is.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

no matter how hard I try i will never understand what is or isn't postmodern

josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 08:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

congratulations, you're postmodern

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

feel like anything before WWI is modern but past that it gets fuzzy. once you've passed Andy Warhol and the birth of the internet there's no looking back

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i chose WWI cos Dada/surrealism being the first cracks in the facade of pop postmodernism

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Netflix finally sends the DVDs on Tuesday. See you in the Other Place!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'll probably start it this weekend, as i'm watching the original's finale tonight i think.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

we'll see you both at the curtain call

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

O Lucky Men!

Re: the revive, why do so many hot takes of Lynch's work seem to so fundamentally misunderstand Lynch and his aims? I mean, I geddit, he can be a slippery customer, but still.

I Wanna Be A Door (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think there's a fundamental mismatch between how fans watched the Twin Peaks revival—obsessively, in online forums, sleuthing and pouring over every crevice for deeper significance—and how Lynch has suggested we enjoy it: as an experience, a dream that works best on the immediate level. He's all but said "just watch it, enjoy it and be moved by it."

Obviously artists don't get to control how viewers engage with their work, but it does make the 15,000 Reddit threads devoted to Judy seem very silly.

Evan R, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm not going to not talk about Judy.

Alba, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

frankly the obsessive poring-over is why I like to watch such series long after they debut.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

(ie to abstain from it)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

i don't think he minds a huge group of fans obsessing over every tiny detail in his work. he even nods to that kind of community/culture a few times in the return (i won't be specific even though it wouldn't really be a spoiler at all)

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

in terms of how an audience consumes his work, he seems much more concerned about the quality - he hates people watching on phones, and he recommended several times that people use headphones (which i do too; if you're into the eraserhead soundtrack you'll love this)

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah that's a noble priority. I remember this debuted in the summer, and every Sunday night even on the most sweltering days I'd have to turn off the air condition when watching the new episode so I didn't miss any of the sound details

Evan R, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Never watched anything else in our place at such a volume (although my gf did insist on a significant reduction wrt the Penderecki).

Love Theme from Biodome (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

Do you have neighbors, pal?

Figure I'll go about 2 episodes a week, an 18-hr marathon doesn't seem optimal for my mental state.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

i tried but can't do more than 2 episodes at a time. 3 is a stretch.

akm, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

I just finished the fourth episode. So far I'm glad it exists but I'm not blown away either. Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

comedy/horror of duration, as we discussed in the Lynch thread

was genuinely surprised when J J Leigh showed up

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

it gets worse.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

Slow TV, doodz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

Morbs, lecturing on teevee politics.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

I've said elsewhere that this feels like the OG 9-episode Showtime order spread margarine thin to self-indulgent effect. I watched eps 1-9, one at a time, and had to stop for a while.

rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

on another TP thread I wrote that it reminded me of Bela Tarr, but worse, and that it careens wildly from tone to tone, idea to idea (in a way that doesn’t seem entirely in control). I said that the true believers argue this is part of the appeal, but it just kinda seems gratuitous.

The intrinsic dullness of soap-operas shines through in the Dougy bits, but it isn't as biting or clever as "Invitation to Love" once was.

rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

hmmm

Lynchiacs remind me of Deadheads sometime

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol

"it's about the notes they don't play, the lines they don't say, the plot lines they don't resolve"

flappy bird, Saturday, 24 February 2018 00:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

My advice is do NOT binge watch TPTR. It thrives on pauses between utterances. No more than 2 episodes a day imo

Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

agreed

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

Sherilyn Fenn should be cast in the Dianne Feinstein bio pic.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

I finished it! It irritated the hell out of me for the tortuous middle stretch (Episode Nine + three or so). The last two episodes moved me more than expected, and I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show, nor did I re-watch to remember (I've never seen the second season, for example. I love Fire Walk With Me fwiw.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

flappy bird, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

(Episode Nine + three or so)

might agree that 9-10's the dip but 11 is great ("keep your blood", turkey jerky, "...you're not gonna tell me what she said?!") and tho the cherry pie is the most defiantly dreamlogiced thing in the show i love 11 for "mr. jackpots, thank you again!" "thank you... again"

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:37 (seven months ago) Permalink

sorry, first one there should be 12

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

otm, if you were to watch just one thing lynch has ever done, the back half of the final s2 twin peaks episode would have to be it. unparalleled and properly haunting.

reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

yes, that and the amazing episode 8 of the return, and I'd maybe even throw in the final episode of the return...among the best bits of Lynche's oeuvre

akm, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

I admire Episode 8 and never want to watch it again.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show

fp bait

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 March 2018 08:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

cross out "not"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

You're a lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show?

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

I should poll my replies

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

This thread reminded me that I saw three or four episodes of nu-Peaks and then forgot to continue with it (which is to say, was not compelled). A lot of you folks like it, though, and I had a neighbor loudly sing its praises at length last summer, so maybe I'll dive in again. It brought to mind the cast of Twin Peaks dropped into the middle of a Phantasm miniseries.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

i never know which twin peaks S3 thread to revive. anyway this is silly but fun

Where do you fall in this #TwinPeaks alignment chart? pic.twitter.com/YyupEvEBmm

— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) June 15, 2018

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 22:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Mr. C is not lawful wtf

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 June 2018 22:20 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah, they kind of stretched it with that one. i guess, that compared to doppelcooper and booper (their terms not mine) he's more lawful, more inclined to sort of blend into society, enough to get a table at a diner and shit like that.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 22:23 (four months ago) Permalink

laughed today remembering that scene where Cole calls Truman and when Cole shouts into the phone, Truman pulls the wrong end of the phone away.

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 June 2018 07:20 (four months ago) Permalink


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