Terrorist attacks throughout Europe

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Following Barcelona, hate that we're at this point but as others have suggested it might be best to contain thoughts and info on these in one place.

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 12:44 (four years ago) link

Back in June Europol published an EU terrorism report: https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-foiled-and-completed-attacks-1002-arrests-and-142-victims-died

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:00 (four years ago) link

i just wanna go on record as saying these attacks are bad and i do not enjoy them

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:02 (four years ago) link

now i'm justing going to be filled with dread whenever i see this in SNA

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:09 (four years ago) link

better this than not knowing if a city thread has been bumped for art gallery advice or mangled corpses

imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21 (four years ago) link

Open to suggestions - maybe the thread title should have 'Rolling discussion of' added to make it clearer it's not necessarily been bumped in response to a new attack.

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:05 (four years ago) link

Finland stabbings breaking news?

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:18 (four years ago) link

#pray4tuomas

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:25 (four years ago) link

Eight people stabbed in Surgut, Russia with the attacker shot dead.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:16 (four years ago) link

Turku attack confirmed as a terrorist incident.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:17 (four years ago) link

One of the worst aspects of all these attacks is that they seem to have no definable political content other than a desire to kill westerners because they are westerners. The attackers apparently have no political demands at all.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:28 (four years ago) link

Not Westerners, the perpetrators are usually 'Westerners' themselves, infidels.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:34 (four years ago) link

The desire is more to strike fear in the West. The victims themselves can come from all over the world.

Not quite sure what happened at Nimes station last night - man arrested with "fake gun"?

nashwan, Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:24 (four years ago) link

gun forgery is a serious offence

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:26 (four years ago) link

news says it was a « pistolet d'alarme », a gun replica that can't shoot. They're evidently legal to use in private but not in public.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:55 (four years ago) link

Too early to say if it's terrorist related. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/21/marseille-car-old-port-france-police

Dan Worsley, Monday, 21 August 2017 09:49 (four years ago) link

evidently the murderer had been brought by an "association" (usually this means a private group) from Grenoble to Marseille for specialized psychiatric care.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 21 August 2017 11:40 (four years ago) link

Reports that the van driver in the Barcelona attack has been shot and killed. They don't hang about, the Spanish police.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:16 (four years ago) link

Wait, had he been arrested?

imago, Monday, 21 August 2017 15:17 (four years ago) link

Nothing confirmed yet.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:18 (four years ago) link

OK, now I'm hearing he has been arrested and the police have shot dead someone else 'wearing an explosives belt'.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:30 (four years ago) link

Do you have to arrest someone before shooting them I wonder

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:52 (four years ago) link

Ultimate right to remain silent iirc

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 21 August 2017 16:21 (four years ago) link

Woman I work with is over visiting her parents.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 August 2017 16:30 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

She was safe and well but her parents live 10 minutes away from where this guy just got offed by the Catalan cops.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:09 (four years ago) link

The Guardian is reporting that the man identified as the driver has been shot dead and that he was wearing a fake vest.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:11 (four years ago) link

http://www.bluemaize.net/im/automotive/vest-t-shirt-8.jpg

?

how's life, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:14 (four years ago) link

you can see why they'd shoot him

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:46 (four years ago) link

Brussels attack: Man shot after stabbing troops

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:10 (four years ago) link

Result

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:43 (four years ago) link

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41055985

Dunno when we decide that attacks pass whatever smell test is required but Buckingham palace

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:51 (four years ago) link

Headcases are always waving knives about or setting themselves on fire or whatever outside Buckingham Palace, it's like a, er, Mecca for the criminally insane.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:06 (four years ago) link

Eyyyyy

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:06 (four years ago) link

OK, so the guy at Buck House drove at a police car, brandished a 4ft sword and repeatedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", as ever though the line between terrorism and mental disorder is thin.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 11:35 (four years ago) link

Arah haven't we all done it

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:20 (four years ago) link

Well, you know how things can get on top of you.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:23 (four years ago) link

Policemen?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:25 (four years ago) link

A few years back there were two very disturbed local people who were arrested for planning to kidnap the singer Joss Stone and decapitate her with a samurai sword. If it wasn't so genuinely disturbing, some of the details of how they got caught were quite darkly comical. This was only a few years into the Tory cuts on mental health services, as well.

calzino, Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:42 (four years ago) link

is this a good thread for this? http://www.jpost.com/International/EU-envoy-Israel-can-learn-from-Europe-how-to-fight-terrorism-503168

Mordy, Saturday, 26 August 2017 16:51 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

London ?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 07:58 (four years ago) link

Or possible industrial/gas accident

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 07:59 (four years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/trains-london-euston-milton-keynes-cancelled-huge-fire-in-harrow

Sorry for bump, seems fairly clearly industrial

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 08:02 (four years ago) link

alternatively:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Friday, 15 September 2017 08:08 (four years ago) link

that is mental. I just keep thinking, what would I do if I saw someone with a lit bucket on the tube?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:16 (four years ago) link

i tell you what i definitely wouldn't do is stop to take fucking pictures of it, as multiple train passengers apparently did

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:20 (four years ago) link

kind of appreciate that they did, though

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:23 (four years ago) link

p sad that some people got trampled on the way out. though it is london public transport i suppose.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:29 (four years ago) link

If it's a bomb, it's the world's worst - based on the reports at the moment (noise, flame, heatwave), it sounds like a chemical reaction, some bloody painter reckoning he can carry these two things in the same tub with some cardboard between them or such.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 09:31 (four years ago) link

Someone on TV at some point today will say "chemicals don't just explode!", which is as damning an indictment of the educational system as you can imagine.‬

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 09:36 (four years ago) link

somebody's done their Run, Trample, Crush, Hide, Tell training

Cheds Baker (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:38 (four years ago) link

Must admit I hadn't thought Parsons Green would be high up on the list of potential targets for an ISIS operation.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:42 (four years ago) link

Well a lot of muslims in Quebec have lived or have families that currently lives in France, and while nothing is perfect here, far from it, I’ve been told the difference is like night and day.

I think it can be genuinely worried that France is creating fertile grounds for extremists to recruits potential murderers, and how it plays very well for both FN and those horrendous people.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:25 (ten months ago) link

Just what the thread needs a bunch of clueless American liberals showing up to tell the rest of us the world how they should be acting.

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:25 (ten months ago) link

I don't see anyone disagreeing with that. My point was, how about we talk about that when there's an incident in which muslims are mistreated, instead of when a woman is beheaded in a church.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, October 29, 2020 1:23 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I’ll go back to the reflex I have developped, and seemingly some french people did to, I mentionned earlier.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:26 (ten months ago) link

Probably because you posted this in the context of a thread where numerous people had already accused several of us of condoning our excusing the atrocities, rather than looking at the symptoms.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)
Posted: 29 October 2020 at 16:03:21
As a general rule, I don't take a beheading as an opportunity to contemplate whether the beheader may have a point about certain things. I used to engage in that exercise, but I don't anymore. I'm not giving the views someone who beheads a woman in church any space in my mind.

And then you went on to throw about several absurd accusations. Is it wrong to discuss the symptoms behind this kind of rot in a society?

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:27 (ten months ago) link

Just what the thread needs a bunch of clueless American liberals showing up to tell the rest of us the world how they should be acting.


For once I think “liberal” is overly generous.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:27 (ten months ago) link

I'm using the UK definition.

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:28 (ten months ago) link

Also I think ilxor is less grounds for mourning and more for discussions, so maybe it’s natural one topic is prefered.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:29 (ten months ago) link

So am I!

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:29 (ten months ago) link

And I welcome the opinions and contributions of any american liberal.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:31 (ten months ago) link

I mean, is that demonstrably true? France also has a much larger muslim population than other countries that propaganda targets.

No, my evidence of this is anecdotal, from having ties to muslim communities in Germany (yes, I know there's been attacks there too) and from discussing the matter with the French side of my family. Happy to hear debunkings of this position, would be a better use of this thread than the shouting match going on right now.

My point was, how about we talk about that when there's an incident in which muslims are mistreated, instead of when a woman is beheaded in a church.

Is it so weird to you that when a horrid event like this happens people talk about how we could make it less likely to happen in the future? That's where this is coming from, not some perverse desire to think the terrorists are "right" or a hatred of France.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:32 (ten months ago) link

I'm a bit sensitive about listening to liberals on the subject of Islamist terrorism because we had years of Tony Blair et al saying any and every terrorist incident in the UK had nothing to UK foreign policy in Muslim countries and accusing anyone who disgreed as apologists and shutting down any discussion by monotonously intoning, "There's no excuse for terrorism".

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:37 (ten months ago) link

I mean, I grew up watching everything over the border, and then when I moved here having the same experience whenever I brought up the grotesque human rights violations in NI to British people, so.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:41 (ten months ago) link

The armed man who was shot in #Avignon earlier today was *not* an Islamist. In fact, it seems like he was associated with the (far right) Identitarian Movement. https://t.co/V6mAxLSesJ

— Peter R. Neumann (@PeterRNeumann) October 29, 2020

nashwan, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:42 (ten months ago) link

My point was, how about we talk about that when there's an incident in which muslims are mistreated, instead of when a woman is beheaded in a church.

Just...one little interjection...isn't the "incident when muslims are mistreated" the, like, everyday thing that is happening and normalized and is not being talked about and is actually being invisible-ized by pretending that only one kind of identity is neutral? I mean we just had this whole conversation like a week ago.

xp okay well anyway

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:45 (ten months ago) link

(xxp) I can think of a few places you'd have had a more appreciative audience.

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:45 (ten months ago) link

I think people are able to compartmentalize an obvious tragedy and wider critiques of society that may have lead to the tragedy, all being respectful. I’m mean this is like right wing american politicians saying we shouldn’t politicize school massacre the moment people talk about gun control.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, October 29, 2020 10:05 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago)

otm -- but I'm a clueless American, who is somehow able, even in my "liberalism" to see this. And also, even if it doesn't "prevent" terrorism, not being shitty to minorities and acknowledging the affects of colonialism, imperialism, and making reparatory gestures ... these are worthwhile things in and of themselves.

sarahell, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:46 (ten months ago) link

Holloway?

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:47 (ten months ago) link

Turkish supporters of Erdogan in a suburb of Lyon, home to a large community of Armenians, are now warning these Armenians that they're going to kill them. Stay tuned for tomorrow's terrorist attacks throughout Europe.

https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/on-va-tuer-les-armeniens-l-inquietante-montee-de-la-violence-des-groupuscules-radicaux-turcs-29-10-2020-8405607.php

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:48 (ten months ago) link

I Love Humanity .... ugh

sarahell, Thursday, 29 October 2020 17:53 (ten months ago) link

Perhaps we should ask the Armenians what they did wrong to the Turks and how they could prevent this next time

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:06 (ten months ago) link

the desire to outlaw a deadly massacre tool after it's used in a deadly massacre is just like this. the terrorists used the absence of a social compact with religious minorities to...wait are we sure about this?

The Beige of Dadz (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:07 (ten months ago) link

is there a french muslim here? i would be interested in their perspective.

if it were me, i would not want people to be talking about the legitimate interests and grievances of my community ONLY when someone from my community committed an atrocity. that seems awful. and it's also misrepresentative because the violence is carried out by a tiny, tiny sliver of extremists whose grievances are actually of a very different character than the average french muslim who faces discrimination.

treeship., Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:18 (ten months ago) link

also there was a white supremacist attack in france today too

treeship., Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:30 (ten months ago) link

The average french muslim is not a fan of the caricatures, very understandably so.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:53 (ten months ago) link

Also, the legitimacy of Islam in France is a topic discussed every other day in France, it's been in the background for as long as I remember politics. Plus, the french are a people prone to discussion and debate so... no it is only not discussed after attacks; perhaps it is in the anglo-sphere, but in France it's as common a discussion as racial prejudice is in the US.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:57 (ten months ago) link

if it were me, i would not want people to be talking about the legitimate interests and grievances of my community ONLY when someone from my community committed an atrocity.

Do you mean in French society or on ILX? ILX does talk about islamophobia in other instances, it prob doesn't do so much in the French context because, well, vast majority of posters don't live in France. Or are you referring to the French politics thread specifically?

If you're talking French society, yeah, it's a hot button issue at all times. Thus the rise of the FN.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:59 (ten months ago) link

ILX does talk about islamophobia in other instances

ILX is predominantly American and this doesn't seem to be subject that generates much interest in the US, hence treeship's tin-eared response.

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:21 (ten months ago) link

i would not want people to be talking about the legitimate interests and grievances of my community ONLY when someone from my community committed an atrocity. that seems awful.

if you are a "real" fan of an artist's work, you should be talking about that artist all the time, and not just when they are about to release a new album or when said album gets reviewed on pitchfork.com

sarahell, Thursday, 29 October 2020 23:52 (ten months ago) link

treeshie, people on ILX have a lot of things to talk about, and it's a message board where people talk with one another ... just because the discussion only tends to come up when there is an atrocity doesn't diminish or delegitimize the concern people have??? Plus, some of these things are not really enjoyable to post about every day for the sake of "consistency"? Like, less than a year ago there was like a mass shooting a day it seemed like in the U.S. ... did we discuss all of them? Do we have a "Daily Dose of American White Supremacy"? or "Black person killed by cops because racism" every day ??? It's emotionally exhausting, especially considering just because people aren't constantly posting about it, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it.

sarahell, Thursday, 29 October 2020 23:59 (ten months ago) link

BREAKING: Reports of a terrorist attack on the Vienna synagogue. One dead, several injured. Source: Ministry of the Interior https://t.co/q1TxIHTw6u

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) November 2, 2020

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 2 November 2020 19:46 (ten months ago) link

Fuck

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 November 2020 19:57 (ten months ago) link

Now hearing seven dead. Fuck, I used to live in Vienna and still have friends there.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 2 November 2020 21:49 (ten months ago) link

"six different crime scenes" "several perpetrators"

it sounds horrific

calzino, Monday, 2 November 2020 21:52 (ten months ago) link

This is the confirmed info atm

CONFIRMED at the moment:
*08:00 pm: several shots fired, beginning at Seitenstettengasse
*several suspects armed with rifles
*six different shooting locations
* one deceaced person, several injured (1 officer included)
*1 suspect shot and killed by police officers #0211w

— POLIZEI WIEN (@LPDWien) November 2, 2020



Re the attack on the synagogue:

Lots of people (very prematurely) sharing that shooting in #Vienna is terror attack on a synagogue.
Jewish community leader below confirms synagogues were closed at time. It seems whatever has happened (and no official comment yet) may just have been in vicinity of synagogue. https://t.co/ps3c3oDg0B

— Michael Cowan (@mrmikecowan) November 2, 2020



...so, obviously not great still, but thankfully not an attack on people in a synagogue, which is another order of chilling.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:07 (ten months ago) link

Considering it's the jewish center of the city, I wouldn't be surprised if the attack was anti-semitic in nature.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 01:54 (ten months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/15/salman-rushdie-on-charlie-hebdo-freedom-of-speech-can-only-be-absolute
“The French satirical tradition has always been very pointed and very harsh, and still is, you know,” Rushdie said. “The thing that I really resent is the way in which these, our dead comrades ... who died using the same implement that I use, which is a pen or pencil, have been almost immediately vilified and called racists and I don’t know what else.”

pretty cool and still relevant.

Sébastien, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:02 (ten months ago) link

I actually don't completely agree with him philosophically about freedom/freedom of speech, but I hate the impulse people have to "yes but" the murders of writers and cartoonists. To the extent that we are talking about "freedom" of speech in the sense that no one should die for their speech, then I 100% agree that freedom is indivisible.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:08 (ten months ago) link

Calling people like Bernard Maris or Cabu racists is dumb and I find it quite vile to not see in them a desire to first caricature the extremists. I think it's important to acknowledge that someone racist can do work that isn't racist and that the opposite is true, when I was talking about the case of teacher Party, it's less about him than the entire systemic racism and islamophobia l'éducation nationale presents to their students.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:59 (ten months ago) link

The attackers struck as Austrians congregated outdoors to enjoy a final night out before the country imposes strict new measures to control the pandemic.

“You could feel a lot of people wanted to get out one more time before lockdown starts,” said Ameli Pietsch, 23, who was in the area an hour before the attack. “It was a mild evening and lots of people were outside.”

This is so fucking awful.

A thing that seems to become clearer in this morning’s reporting is that it was maybe just this one gunman where as reports last night suggested it was several. That’s absolutely on people circulating, many of them deliberately, footage from other events and submitting it to the police, meaning ITV ended up running videos that weren’t from Vienna last night.

The opening pictures that we showed in our News At Ten report on the shooting in Vienna were not from tonight’s incident. We apologise for this error.

— ITV News (@itvnews) November 2, 2020



People doing this during a live event aren’t fucking helping! Of course, lots of them aren’t trying to, but reporting on live attacks has been dogshit for years and years and it’s surely crossed the line several times.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 10:16 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ah yes, liberté, égalité, fraternité:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55001167

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 20 November 2020 02:09 (nine months ago) link

i’m sure that will have the intended effect ffs

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 November 2020 07:27 (nine months ago) link

well at least now Tristam Hunt can't decry our lack of a Macron type figure in the UK, not while Farage is still politically active.

calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 08:05 (nine months ago) link

actually on reflection the “intended effect” is to demonise muslims for electoral gain so perhaps i am judging to hastily but as gyac said on the other thread why not just vote for the full-fat FN version and be done with it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 November 2020 09:26 (nine months ago) link

https://t.co/8ZDrtBPU3G pic.twitter.com/UyHvJqpgBy

— Fred Durst Apologist (@DurstApologist) November 20, 2020

calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 11:44 (nine months ago) link

three months pass...

An update re: the Paty case:

A French schoolgirl has admitted lying and fabricating a story about her teacher, who was beheaded last year after her accusations against him.

The 13-year-old pupil, whose father started a hate campaign against Samuel Paty by filing a legal complaint, says she lied to please her father, and she was not even at the class in which the teacher was alleged to have shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.

The girl, who has not been identified, had originally claimed that Mr Paty had asked Muslim pupils to leave the class before he showed “a photograph of the Prophet naked” to children during a class on free speech.
Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-samuel-paty-beheading-schoolgirl-b1814372.html

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 18:19 (six months ago) link

This story just gets more godawful over time.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 18:59 (six months ago) link

Yeah, grim stuff.

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:03 (six months ago) link

Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

Also, a beheading!

DJI, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:06 (six months ago) link

yeah, makes it sound like the teacher had to lock his twitter down

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:11 (six months ago) link

French daily newspaper Le Parisien reported that the girl wanted to prevent her father from knowing that she had been suspended for failing to attend the lessons.

“She would not have dared to confess to her father the real reasons for her exclusion shortly before the tragedy, which was in fact linked to her bad behaviour,” according to Le Parisien.

Particularly gritty Leave it to Beaver episode

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:15 (six months ago) link


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