Terrorist attacks throughout Europe

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Following Barcelona, hate that we're at this point but as others have suggested it might be best to contain thoughts and info on these in one place.

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 12:44 (three years ago) link

Back in June Europol published an EU terrorism report: https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-foiled-and-completed-attacks-1002-arrests-and-142-victims-died

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:00 (three years ago) link

i just wanna go on record as saying these attacks are bad and i do not enjoy them

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:02 (three years ago) link

now i'm justing going to be filled with dread whenever i see this in SNA

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:09 (three years ago) link

better this than not knowing if a city thread has been bumped for art gallery advice or mangled corpses

imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:21 (three years ago) link

Open to suggestions - maybe the thread title should have 'Rolling discussion of' added to make it clearer it's not necessarily been bumped in response to a new attack.

nashwan, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:05 (three years ago) link

Finland stabbings breaking news?

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:18 (three years ago) link

#pray4tuomas

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:25 (three years ago) link

Eight people stabbed in Surgut, Russia with the attacker shot dead.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:16 (three years ago) link

Turku attack confirmed as a terrorist incident.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:17 (three years ago) link

One of the worst aspects of all these attacks is that they seem to have no definable political content other than a desire to kill westerners because they are westerners. The attackers apparently have no political demands at all.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:28 (three years ago) link

Not Westerners, the perpetrators are usually 'Westerners' themselves, infidels.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:34 (three years ago) link

The desire is more to strike fear in the West. The victims themselves can come from all over the world.

Not quite sure what happened at Nimes station last night - man arrested with "fake gun"?

nashwan, Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:24 (three years ago) link

gun forgery is a serious offence

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:26 (three years ago) link

news says it was a « pistolet d'alarme », a gun replica that can't shoot. They're evidently legal to use in private but not in public.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:55 (three years ago) link

Too early to say if it's terrorist related. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/21/marseille-car-old-port-france-police

Dan Worsley, Monday, 21 August 2017 09:49 (three years ago) link

evidently the murderer had been brought by an "association" (usually this means a private group) from Grenoble to Marseille for specialized psychiatric care.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 21 August 2017 11:40 (three years ago) link

Reports that the van driver in the Barcelona attack has been shot and killed. They don't hang about, the Spanish police.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:16 (three years ago) link

Wait, had he been arrested?

imago, Monday, 21 August 2017 15:17 (three years ago) link

Nothing confirmed yet.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:18 (three years ago) link

OK, now I'm hearing he has been arrested and the police have shot dead someone else 'wearing an explosives belt'.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:30 (three years ago) link

Do you have to arrest someone before shooting them I wonder

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 21 August 2017 15:52 (three years ago) link

Ultimate right to remain silent iirc

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 21 August 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

Woman I work with is over visiting her parents.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 August 2017 16:30 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

She was safe and well but her parents live 10 minutes away from where this guy just got offed by the Catalan cops.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:09 (three years ago) link

The Guardian is reporting that the man identified as the driver has been shot dead and that he was wearing a fake vest.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:11 (three years ago) link

http://www.bluemaize.net/im/automotive/vest-t-shirt-8.jpg

?

how's life, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:14 (three years ago) link

you can see why they'd shoot him

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:46 (three years ago) link

Brussels attack: Man shot after stabbing troops

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:10 (three years ago) link

Result

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:43 (three years ago) link

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41055985

Dunno when we decide that attacks pass whatever smell test is required but Buckingham palace

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 25 August 2017 23:51 (three years ago) link

Headcases are always waving knives about or setting themselves on fire or whatever outside Buckingham Palace, it's like a, er, Mecca for the criminally insane.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:06 (three years ago) link

Eyyyyy

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:06 (three years ago) link

OK, so the guy at Buck House drove at a police car, brandished a 4ft sword and repeatedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", as ever though the line between terrorism and mental disorder is thin.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 11:35 (three years ago) link

Arah haven't we all done it

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:20 (three years ago) link

Well, you know how things can get on top of you.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:23 (three years ago) link

Policemen?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:25 (three years ago) link

A few years back there were two very disturbed local people who were arrested for planning to kidnap the singer Joss Stone and decapitate her with a samurai sword. If it wasn't so genuinely disturbing, some of the details of how they got caught were quite darkly comical. This was only a few years into the Tory cuts on mental health services, as well.

calzino, Saturday, 26 August 2017 12:42 (three years ago) link

is this a good thread for this? http://www.jpost.com/International/EU-envoy-Israel-can-learn-from-Europe-how-to-fight-terrorism-503168

Mordy, Saturday, 26 August 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

London ?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 07:58 (three years ago) link

Or possible industrial/gas accident

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 07:59 (three years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/trains-london-euston-milton-keynes-cancelled-huge-fire-in-harrow

Sorry for bump, seems fairly clearly industrial

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 15 September 2017 08:02 (three years ago) link

alternatively:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Friday, 15 September 2017 08:08 (three years ago) link

that is mental. I just keep thinking, what would I do if I saw someone with a lit bucket on the tube?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:16 (three years ago) link

i tell you what i definitely wouldn't do is stop to take fucking pictures of it, as multiple train passengers apparently did

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:20 (three years ago) link

kind of appreciate that they did, though

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:23 (three years ago) link

p sad that some people got trampled on the way out. though it is london public transport i suppose.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:29 (three years ago) link

If it's a bomb, it's the world's worst - based on the reports at the moment (noise, flame, heatwave), it sounds like a chemical reaction, some bloody painter reckoning he can carry these two things in the same tub with some cardboard between them or such.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 09:31 (three years ago) link

Someone on TV at some point today will say "chemicals don't just explode!", which is as damning an indictment of the educational system as you can imagine.‬

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 09:36 (three years ago) link

somebody's done their Run, Trample, Crush, Hide, Tell training

Cheds Baker (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:38 (three years ago) link

Must admit I hadn't thought Parsons Green would be high up on the list of potential targets for an ISIS operation.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:42 (three years ago) link

I don't think it's possible to commit blasphemy to a religion you don't follow.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:40 (two days ago) link

That’s some sovereign citizen shit right there

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:41 (two days ago) link

bs

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:42 (two days ago) link

I don't think it's possible to commit blasphemy to a religion you don't follow.


Any chance of a response to my question? Thanks!

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:42 (two days ago) link

“I don’t belong to any society other than the one I imagine in my own head”

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:42 (two days ago) link

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blasphemy

1a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
accused of blasphemy
b: the act of claiming the attributes of a deity

for a mere man to suggest that he was … divine could only be viewed … as blasphemy
— John Bright †1889

2: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:45 (two days ago) link

I don't see anything about the beliefs of the person committing the act in those definitions.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:46 (two days ago) link

Blasphemy in the sense that you are committing a sin that gets you punished within the laws of that religion--sent to hell/burned at stake etc. A non-believer has no spiritual reason to refrain from breaking a particular religion's law, only a social one.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:47 (two days ago) link

But let's be all Webster's

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:47 (two days ago) link

What, you mean let's understand the meaning of the words we're using?

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:48 (two days ago) link

yes, the social reason not to openly engage in blasphemy is in fact what everyone has been talking about on this thread for days. Thank you for catching up.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:50 (two days ago) link

I thought we were talking about beheadings

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:52 (two days ago) link

Can’t believe the guy with nothing useful to contribute to any thread is continuing that streak here

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:53 (two days ago) link

it's a living

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:54 (two days ago) link

Oh, now you can see my posts.

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:55 (two days ago) link

Your question was: do you have any thoughts on this?

I think you know the answer

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:57 (two days ago) link

You’re not getting enough attention at home, got it.

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:58 (two days ago) link

too much actually

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:59 (two days ago) link

just catching up on the revive and this is a really interesting discussion. feel very enlightened by some posts itt.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:08 (two days ago) link

once you pick thru all the people in the thread arguing that the murder was justified under sharia law

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:10 (two days ago) link

lol

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:11 (two days ago) link

Basic critical theory around identity (which you'd think French people would have an edge in) since at least the 1970s

le rire à haute voix

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:22 (two days ago) link

Depends. French critical theory is no monolith and can be quite critical of identity as well.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:26 (two days ago) link

sorry, the LOL francaise was because Tracer and I were actually in the same critical theory/semiotics classes in the early 90s, where the majority of the texts were English translations of French writers.

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:35 (two days ago) link

I still have my copy of Mythologies by Barthes from MCM 11

sarahell, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:36 (two days ago) link

Yeah, sorry, I don’t think we should engage in blasphemy. I’m not going to wear a feather crown, nor am I going to keep my shoes in a Mosque. I think respecting the notion that muslims don’t like demeaning caricatures of their prophet is pretty easy to understand, and pretty easy to act on. And that the only social reasons you would partake in such activities is to prove that you don’t care about respecting other people’s right to spiritual and cultural integrity.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:06 (two days ago) link

I don’t have any regard for blasphemy as an offence, and it strikes me that several people itt are deliberately calling it this to deflect from the fact that it’s just disrespectful - like, if you’re discussing the subject, why use the CH ones?

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:16 (two days ago) link

The CH ones?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:27 (two days ago) link

The Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:30 (two days ago) link

Oh yes, otm.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:32 (two days ago) link

I think respecting the notion that muslims don’t like demeaning caricatures of their prophet is pretty easy to understand, and pretty easy to act on.

Yes. Of the billion plus individuals or organizations in the western nations, I'd say this easy and respectful action has been taken by almost every one of them. Of the hundreds of billions of original images published each year around the entire world, I'd say fewer than a thousand of them would be caricatures of their prophet. (I'm not so sure about India, so I said "thousand" rather than "a few dozen".)

why use the CH ones?

Perhaps, because this was a civics class in France and the response to these images by some French residents was of particular historic import? It's not like this was a completely random choice. Undoubtedly it was a poor choice, but the reasoning behind their use is quite accessible, even if flawed. I doubt the reasoning was, "I hate my muslim students and want to disrespect them as deeply as I can."

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 18:13 (two days ago) link

I doubt it too. It was a honest mistake, perhaps. My problem lies in the press, politicians and l'éducation nationale celebrating his actions with heroism.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:46 (two days ago) link

In a country that celebrates Marine Le Pen this is not unexpected.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:49 (two days ago) link

Agreed, also expecting that another violent attack relating to these cartoons will happen within a few years. Since no lessons has been learned. The RN's legitimacy will keep growing as a consequence.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:52 (two days ago) link

Pretty much, yeah. None of the root causes are being addressed, and that's not bound to change any time soon.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:54 (two days ago) link

I’m just glad you all aren’t talking about Darmanin’s remarks today. Obviously I’m more sympathetic to the mainstream French approach to this than others here, but Darmanin’s comments today were batshit.

All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:12 (two days ago) link

Batshit and stupendously stupid.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:15 (two days ago) link

If the French mainstream involves over ten million people voting for a fascist for the presidency, I’m not sure that’s much to be proud of.

scampus milne (gyac), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:19 (two days ago) link

Lol I saw that Euler. Darmanin may want to think about banning the insular, radical, uh, organic vegetable isolation in supermarkets as well. Different aisles for that shit. Drove me crazy in Auchan - the organic bananas being like three aisles over from the regular ones.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:24 (two days ago) link

It just blows my mind how fucking stupid these people are

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:26 (two days ago) link

and they rule us! I just... I can't

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:26 (two days ago) link

Behold, the true face of terrorism:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcRElhqXUAAChmk.jpg

pomenitul, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:27 (two days ago) link

I eat so much halal food, Darmanin’s should try it, it can be great. Not so much the old El Paso but I get really good tortillas delivered from a place in Prague, really

All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:33 (two days ago) link

Undoubtedly it was a poor choice, but the reasoning behind their use is quite accessible, even if flawed. I doubt the reasoning was, "I hate my muslim students and want to disrespect them as deeply as I can."

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless),


I doubt it too. It was a honest mistake, perhaps. My problem lies in the press, politicians and l'éducation nationale celebrating his actions with heroism.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, October 21, 2020

No, this is not an honest mistake. It's ignorant and malign. It is like a classroom of white and Asian kids clips of I. Y. Yunioshi and Long Duk Dong and going 'hey, what's wrong with what I just did?'

rb (soda), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:35 (two days ago) link

glad "la vie de mahomet" de Charb is still available on amazon.

Sébastien, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:44 (two days ago) link

xpost Sure, if there had been a Long Duk Dong massacre and you were teaching a course on free expression. Otherwise, exactly the same.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:36 (two days ago) link

No, this is not an honest mistake. It's ignorant and malign.

One can make mistakes.One's thinking can be ignorant. One's actions can be malign. All these characterizations fit the teacher's thinking and his actions well enough. But this does not mean that his reasoning was "I hate my muslim students and want to disrespect them as deeply as I can."

Do we have any evidence that this was his intent? If it was not his intent then there is no reason to impugn his honesty.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:02 (two days ago) link

I think that part of the conversation here is that there is clearly a segment of French culture that allows for an atmosphere where such malign actions, intentional or unintentional, can flourish.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:48 (yesterday) link

And another part of the conversation is that as long as that atmosphere persists, there will be horrific incidents such as the one in question. That isn't blaming the victim-- it's understanding the way that structures of culture and reactions against it work in the world

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:50 (yesterday) link

It’s not not blaming the victim

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 October 2020 23:53 (yesterday) link


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