"Are gay people people? y/n": The Australian Marriage Equality Voluntary Postal Survey Thread

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# What's happening?
The Australian government will ask all Australian adults to declare whether or not they want same-sex couples to be allowed to marry.

# How much will it cost?
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=122&From=AUD&To=USD 122 million.

# How long will it take?
Months. The process will begin soon and the result will be announced on the 15th of November.

# Why is this happening?
Parliament could introduce and pass legislation to enable marriage equality within a couple of days, but the government refuses to allow anyone to introduce such a bill.

# Why?
Because they are bigots. Sorry, there's no other way to describe it. That is seriously the only reason.

# Will the Australian Electoral Commission conduct it, just as with all formal Australia-wide votes?
No. The Australian Bureau of Statistics will conduct it.

# What?
The Australian Bureau of Statistics.

# That sounds like an organisation that manages statistics, not political votes.
Yes.

# Will it be compulsory, like every federal and state Australian election?
No.

# How's it being conducted?
By post.

# That sounds self-selecting.
It is.

# It doesn't sound like a vote either.
It's not. We're calling it a survey, because that's all it is.

# Haven't there already been surveys?
Dozens. Australians have supported marriage equality for more than a decade. Statistically accurate polling from many formal polling organisations has repeatedly and regularly proved this.

# Will this one be more accurate?
It'll be so inaccurate as to be useless. Australians who are on the electoral roll will get a form in the post, and they'll reply if they can be bothered.

# So why is it happening at all?
The government wants to give bigots the chance to swing voting in their favour, believing that will defeat calls for marriage equality.

# Why is it being conducted by post?
It's widely acknowledged that younger people, who are more likely to support marriage equality, are also less likely to properly look at their mail.

# So it's stacked against equality?
Yes. Young people will miss it if they're not yet on the electoral roll, have moved house or just don't look very hard at their junk mail. Bigoted parents will hide their kids' forms and vote no on their behalf.

# And being voluntary means interest groups will produce a disproportionate result and skew the outcome, right?
They will definitely do that.

# This sounds like it'll be disastrous for LGBTIQ mental health.
It already is. Advocacy groups are unanimously against a postal survey being used to determine equality under the law.

# Did the government consult with LGBTIQ groups on this process?
No.

# Mental health organisations?
No.

# Anyone at all?
No.

# How many people must respond if the postal survey is to have any weight?
The government won't tell us.

# Will 50,000 responses be enough?
We don't know.

# Will 12 responses be enough?
We don't know.

# Is this shit even legal?
We don't know. Various equality groups are banding together to launch two separate legal challenges in the federal High Court.

# I thought Australia was better than this.
It is. The government isn't.

# So what will people actually be voting on?
We'll be asked to vote on whether the government submits a marriage equality bill to Parliament for debate.

# Actually AA, I think you've made a mistake in your FAQ. Earlier you said the government normally submits bills to Parliament for debate, but now you're saying if yes wins this $122 million postal survey, the government will submit a bill to Parliament for debate. They're the same thing.
Yes.

# . . .
. . .

# This isn't a vote on marriage equality at all, is it?
No. It's a vote on whether the government will stop blocking marriage equality bills and allow one to be tabled in Parliament, i.e. doing the job we pay them to do.

# So what will happen if yes wins?
The government will allow one marriage equality bill, that they will write themselves, to be submitted to Parliament for debate.

# Is the bill in its final form?
No. It's still a draft and is open to consultation.

# So how do you know what's in it? Will it be real equality, or will it be full of exemptions to protect bigots? Will it accommodate trans and intersex people?
We don't know.

# Will it be finalised before the survey commences?
It doesn't look likely.

# And then you'll automatically have marriage equality, right?
No. The government will not require its members to vote for the legislation, and many MPs and senators have already said they'll vote against it.

# So... a no vote means the government will compulsorily block any attempt to legislate marriage equality, but a yes vote means they're free to vote it down if they wish?
Yes.

# How's that different from the government just introducing and debating a bill in Parliament?
It's not.

# So you're saying a yes result in the postal survey doesn't make any difference?
Yes.

# Are you at least excited that something is happening?
We are tired. We are all tired. We've been fighting this battle for more than a decade, and it's culminated in this unfairly stacked, non-binding, voluntary survey.

# Is there a better way for you to get marriage equality?
Labor, the main opposition party, has said for years that it'll simply pass legislation and give us equality within 100 days of winning an election. That election must be held by late 2019.

# What are the main arguments against marriage equality?
Who fucking cares

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 01:49 (three months ago) Permalink

yeesh

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 02:14 (three months ago) Permalink

This. This?! This is the government Australia got, even with compulsory voting???? Geez. My condolences. That would dishearten me something fierce if I lived there. Of course, we have our own shithead proliferation problems here in the States and they aren't under control, yet, either. Getting worse, if anything.

Can we agree to blame all this on Rupert Murdoch? So much simpler than thinking humanity is doomed due to massive design flaws.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 02:29 (three months ago) Permalink

Can we agree to blame all this on Rupert Murdoch?

Essentially yeah. He has enormous influence over the media here, and uses his outlets to actively campaign for parties like he does in the UK.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 02:33 (three months ago) Permalink

# Is this shit even legal?
We don't know. Various equality groups are banding together to launch two separate legal challenges in the federal High Court.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/aug/09/malcolm-roberts-facing-move-to-refer-his-citizenship-to-high-court-politics-live?page=with:block-598a715ce4b0e6bf8f59007d#block-598a715ce4b0e6bf8f59007d

Longtime marriage campaigner Rodney Croome announces court challenge to postal survey

Croome says the government is exceeding its executive authority with the postal vote.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 02:35 (three months ago) Permalink

# I thought Australia was better than this.
It is. The government isn't.

Sadly I no longer think this is true. The number of COMPLETE AND UTTER ARSEHOLE CUNTS IN THE COMMUNITY who think a plebiscite is actually a good idea is proof of this.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:16 (three months ago) Permalink

Having watched the news this evening can we dwell on how awesome penny wong is and how much of a knuckledragging fuckstick tony abbot is.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:36 (three months ago) Permalink

Ed otm

Sadly I no longer think this is true. The number of COMPLETE AND UTTER ARSEHOLE CUNTS IN THE COMMUNITY who think a plebiscite is actually a good idea is proof of this.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 21:16 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have seen some thoroughly vile shit today, and it's not even day 1

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:45 (three months ago) Permalink

Penny Wong's fucking incredible senate speech (she's representing the opposition):

https://youtu.be/9noLe7f-VpI?t=321

The whole eight minutes is phenomenal, but I've cued it up to the jaw-dropping final two minutes.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:51 (three months ago) Permalink

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joshtaylor/this-is-all-the-respectful-debate-on-day-one-of-the-postal

Former speaker Bronwyn Bishop ran the "slippery slope" argument — conflating same-sex marriage with bestiality.

Liberal assistant minister for immigration and border protection Alex Hawke expressed concern that people may be "sued for expressing their religious freedom".

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott suggested people vote no in the plebiscite because it's about...freedom of speech.

Openly-gay monarchist and former head of the Australian Broadcasting Authority David Flint told 2GB that people could change their genders and, using an "extreme example", go and rape women in bathrooms.

The Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) is already arguing that the plebiscite isn't about same-sex marriage but "freedom of speech" and "Safe Schools".


AND IT'S NOT EVEN DAY ONE.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:58 (three months ago) Permalink

I have nobody to get married to but I would like to have same sex marriage with an excemption in the Law: that Christine Forster isn't allowed to get married.

Because seriously fuck her, she's quite happy to support her dickhead brother in everything about taking away other people's rights and money and transferring them to the wealthy, but when it comes to HER rights, suddenly it's all about the people. I was very rude to her when I saw her handing out HTVs for herself for Mayor of Sydney and I don't regret it.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 11:59 (three months ago) Permalink

The Penny Wong embed didn't work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9noLe7f-VpI&t=321

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 12:00 (three months ago) Permalink

fuck the embed then

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 12:01 (three months ago) Permalink

xp to edwardo: She's a good argument for why her brother's worse than dog shit, but seriously fuck her other shitty tory nonsense

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 12:02 (three months ago) Permalink

Lonely guy just thinking baout civil disobedience

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 17:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Rules against malicious campaign material will not apply to same-sex marriage postal vote

The public won't see the proposed changes to the marriage act before they vote

I can't see any way out of this other than refusing to play the game, Australia-wide and in huge numbers

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 17:48 (three months ago) Permalink

don't do that. the ACL won't.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 21:50 (three months ago) Permalink

The going theory is that if everyone except the bigots boycotts the vote, there's no way it can be seen as a representative or even fair process, and Labor will have no trouble explaining that to the electorate when it goes about changing the law in Parliament. I mean the whole process is so clearly illegitimate in so many ways (and I've woken up to discover that fmr High Court judge Michael Kirby and his partner have declared they'll boycott! Maybe that's the start of it)

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 22:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Advice is not to boycott because Labor will campaign for yes while simultaneously hanging shit on Turnbull for all the abuse, all the suicides etc etc.

Meanwhile, day 2 of the Respectful Debate Campaign

Lyle Shelton, head of the Australian Christian Lobby — the loudest voice on the "no" side — refused to withdraw his claim that marriage equality will create a "stolen generation" of the children of LGBTI Australians.

ABC News Breakfast host Michael Rowland received a postcard asking if he approved of the "filthy practice" of "sodomy" and compared gay people to "brownshirts" (i.e. Nazis)

Liberal MP Andrew Laming, in a tense debate with former Labor premier Kristina Keneally on Sky News, suggested if she didn't like the debate, she could go to North Korea.

The minister now in charge of the agency responsible for surveying the public on same-sex marriage once said gay sex was "sordid behaviour" and "unnatural acts".

R E S P E C T F U L D E B A T E

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 10 August 2017 07:11 (three months ago) Permalink

Several times I have started to write some kind of cogent response to the spineless bigoted cretins backslapping each other as they grind people's identities and joy beneath their smdnmejcdnkwqeoiucwd kjcakjnacsnjklcdknjcsa kmasd FUCK YOU FUCKING SHITS.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 10 August 2017 07:20 (three months ago) Permalink

We all need to vote so they go the fuck down. I don't even want those arseholes winning a popularity contest.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 10 August 2017 07:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Firs of many High Court challenge hearings today before 3.30 AEDT.

I just… the effect of all this. Not going into my personal situation itt, but I'm less impacted by this than a million Australians and I'm stressed and terrified. Hate to think what it's like for people who are openly gay, trans people, kids who are scared of being themselves etc. I've been listening to The Informer podcast on Joy Melbourne and even the reporters are audibly shaken by this. It's all just so fucking harrowing.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:45 (three months ago) Permalink

I have to say that

# I thought Australia was better than this.
It is. The government isn't.

is a very optimistic view given our treatment of refugees. Australia isn't better than this, as we prove time and again.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 11 August 2017 02:18 (three months ago) Permalink

On balance we're slightly better than the government in that a large number of us don't support the worst things that the whole of the government thinks is fine. I agree that Australia is largely a backwater shithole though.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 11 August 2017 03:21 (three months ago) Permalink

massive thanks to flipmod is the squizzod for fixing the top post, i had no idea it was so painful to edit posts

turnbull announced he's stepping back entirely from the "campaign". goes to war against his own people, four days later runs away. strong leader my fucking arse.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 13 August 2017 08:00 (three months ago) Permalink

ha, be fantastic if barnaby fuckface joyce loses his seat due to NZ citizenship. maybe he'll finally have that massive coronary.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 14 August 2017 00:59 (three months ago) Permalink

iirc joyce is the only leader of a federal or state government who opposes marriage equality. so fuck him.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 14 August 2017 02:45 (three months ago) Permalink

There are few Australian political figures I loathe more than Joyce so this would be some antidote to all the other fuckery happening atm

monotony, Monday, 14 August 2017 04:10 (three months ago) Permalink

NZ just confirmed that Barnaby is an NZ citizen.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 14 August 2017 04:12 (three months ago) Permalink

watching reps now, it's a mess

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 14 August 2017 04:17 (three months ago) Permalink

:D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2017 05:07 (three months ago) Permalink

I can see it now. Barnaby renounces, but is determined to have been ineligible to have stood previously, but now can run in the by-election. Which he then wins because he promises to protect his constituents from dykes and poofs.

This fucking country, seriously.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:30 (three months ago) Permalink

Can I distribute bits of paper for people to stick in their plebiscite envelopes that say this? The ABS could count them, I feel sure.

Barnaby Joyce is a CUNT:

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Will this invalidate results? Someone give me constitutional advice.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:32 (three months ago) Permalink

I am starting to notice a rich vein of "I'm not a bigot but... fuck equality before the law" hot takes, because there wasn't just enough "I'm a bigot and fuck equality before the law because hurrrr" hot takes.

Smootown Philly (King Boy Pato), Monday, 14 August 2017 23:43 (three months ago) Permalink

Which will come first the postal survey or yet another federal election?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 02:13 (three months ago) Permalink

julie bishop is attacking nz labour now? what the fuck is happening?

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 02:53 (three months ago) Permalink

I am starting to notice a rich vein of "I'm not a bigot but... fuck equality before the law" hot takes, because there wasn't just enough "I'm a bigot and fuck equality before the law because hurrrr" hot takes.

i keep hearing "shut up you already have equality, it's just the word that's different", which is so clearly a batshit lie that you know they've got nothing

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 02:57 (three months ago) Permalink

wtf lol

that's like 1 person with a glass of milk asking 1 person with an icecream if they can have some icecream too. "well techically you already HAVE icecream"

*throws milk at them, stabls them with broken glass*

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:10 (three months ago) Permalink

"it's exactly like ice cream in every way, shut up and eat your ice cream"

"but it's liquid"

"i said shut up"

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:13 (three months ago) Permalink

If we can escalate this trans-ditch stoush so much that we can provoke a sneak invasion - NZ law will prevail and we can have gay marriage and no nasty postal survey.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:52 (three months ago) Permalink

well our deptuy pm's a kiwi so

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:54 (three months ago) Permalink

turnbull goes on a two day diplomatic trip and boom, west island confirmed

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:55 (three months ago) Permalink

Does that mean Barnaby can marry the man of his choice with he goes to the NZ high commission?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 03:56 (three months ago) Permalink

yes, in fact he married kevin andrews on a cycling holiday

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:06 (three months ago) Permalink

btw ed you've picked up the gist of our political culture damned quickly, great work

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:08 (three months ago) Permalink

i'm watching reps question time, it's exactly like a sitcom

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:13 (three months ago) Permalink

even the lnp's dixer was like a punchline! she asked turnbull about foreign interference, OF ALL THINGS.

plibers just asked turnbull who'll be acting pm when turnbull is away next week, turnbull said "usual arrangements", the roof came off.

every second this goes on, the postal survey implicitly dissolves further into satire.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:18 (three months ago) Permalink

they're tripping over their own dixers, it's like the plank x 75

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:20 (three months ago) Permalink

What's there to know?

1) Democracy Sausage
2) Knockabout fun at question time is preferable to getting any real work done
3) Elections are preferable to getting any real work done
4) If you've exhausted your options 2 and 3 change PM and try again.
5) Fuck Barnaby Joyce, Tony Abbott and George Christiansen
6) Preference deals lead to surprises!
7) Xenephon, Katter, McGowan, Hinch, Lambie etc. - not all loons all the time
8) Fuck One Nation Pauline Hanson and her nasty tribe
9) Sovereignty was never ceded so this all should be moot anyway - ignore that one ask hard as possible
10) Democracy sausage, except when voting ing a mean, spiteful and meaningless postal survey

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 04:43 (three months ago) Permalink

what’s the one like that one but with the chocolate filling

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

kensingtons?

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

oh you mentioned, kingstons

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

klassik

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:00 (one week ago) Permalink

yknow what i miss too

chocolate mfing royals

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:01 (one week ago) Permalink

indonesia had cheese flavoured tim tams a few years ago

cheese flavoured

cheese

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:08 (one week ago) Permalink

the proof that i am not making that up is that you could not make that up

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:09 (one week ago) Permalink

barf

Ween have a lot to answer for imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:09 (one week ago) Permalink

bahahahahahahaha yes

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:09 (one week ago) Permalink

my friend brought me a ton of flavored ones

pina colada tasted like a scented candle, it was horrifying

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:10 (one week ago) Permalink

i really liked the white choc ones tho, which surprised me

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:11 (one week ago) Permalink

i am dead against the salted caramel infiltration of tim tams, it’s the noxious weed of dessert ingredients

estela, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:19 (one week ago) Permalink

i love regular caramel though

estela, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:19 (one week ago) Permalink

salted caramel ice cream is very good. hope that it doesn't become the new pumpkin spice, however

Dan S, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:24 (one week ago) Permalink

it’s not by accident that “salted caramel” is an anagram of “serrated tussock” xp

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:32 (one week ago) Permalink

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 November 2017 00:47 (one week ago) Permalink

the problem i find with most salted caramel things (especially the supermarket-brand bandwagonners) is that they're not nearly salty enough

monotony, Friday, 17 November 2017 01:16 (one week ago) Permalink

also many xps: hi autumn almanac, we're neighbours! (although partner & i are considering moving back northside or even over to trendy yarrville sometime next year)

monotony, Friday, 17 November 2017 01:17 (one week ago) Permalink

we are the 82.0%ers

which suburb?

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 01:39 (one week ago) Permalink

(we’re deep in st k)

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 01:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I've started reading this, its very good:

https://www.quarterlyessay.com.au/essay/2017/09/moral-panic-101

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 02:00 (one week ago) Permalink

(startled that QE is such an expensive tome to buy, but I needed a good lunch read!)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 02:00 (one week ago) Permalink

people who think marriage is, as Mojo Nixon said, a way to screw yourself up REAL good are also "people"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2017 02:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Sure, but in your country at least you can make that choice one way or t'other.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 03:11 (one week ago) Permalink

xps ben law’s qe should be required reading. i’ve not finished it but even the first part explains exactly what safe schools is and isn’t.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 November 2017 03:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Truth. I wish I could make my dad read it. He probably wouldnt.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:24 (one week ago) Permalink

xps: South Melbourne, not far from the market. a lovely area if a little bougie.

monotony, Friday, 17 November 2017 04:42 (one week ago) Permalink

i miss south melb market and the plant nursery on the tramline. I mean Brunswick is nice but I still feel like a southside gal sometimes.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:44 (one week ago) Permalink

also Ben's QE is one of the best things I've read this year. The hysteria and misinformation out there in relation to Safe Schools absolutely infuriates me and I'm glad a relatively high profile writer took the time to meticulously correct the record.

monotony, Friday, 17 November 2017 04:45 (one week ago) Permalink

mono were you someone else previously on 'ere or are you a new mongrel ILXor?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 04:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Relatively new breed I think (can't remember when I joined - maybe 2012?)

monotony, Friday, 17 November 2017 06:09 (one week ago) Permalink

September 4, 2012

don't call it a comeback

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 17 November 2017 07:40 (one week ago) Permalink

sic.xls

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 November 2017 08:08 (one week ago) Permalink

still so impatient. I have literally had the number of people I could go into a sham marriage DOUBLED, WHY MUST I WAIT.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Friday, 17 November 2017 11:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Heartening conversation with my 100yo grandmother last night, who is all in favour of gay marriage and voted yes

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 18 November 2017 22:43 (six days ago) Permalink

We got a new green state mp, first indigenous woman in the state parliament too. Things are looking up.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:32 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah this is a clear and long-overdue turning point imo.

james: that is incredibly excellent and almost made me cry (again, for like the 70th time this week)

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 19 November 2017 08:39 (five days ago) Permalink

I had avoided even discussing the topic with anyone whose views i did not know as it was all so depressing, so this was a very nice surprise

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 19 November 2017 08:43 (five days ago) Permalink

me too, legitimately could not deal with learning who the bigots are

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 19 November 2017 09:08 (five days ago) Permalink

also you have the best grandfather

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 19 November 2017 09:10 (five days ago) Permalink

nice sizzle there pato

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 20 November 2017 10:54 (four days ago) Permalink

maybe we're meant to be surprised that bigots are falling over themselves to corrupt this

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 07:26 (three days ago) Permalink

And now we can have a golden gaytime this summer.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:08 (two days ago) Permalink

golden gaytimes should be banned because my religious freedoms

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:10 (two days ago) Permalink

Barrie Cassidy was pointing out the obvious on AM this morning with Jon Faine that if they push hard for "religious freedoms" around this, they shoot themselves in the foot cos hey, Islam is a religion too you idiots.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:06 (two days ago) Permalink

otm, can’t wait for them to accidentally defend burqas

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:32 (two days ago) Permalink

no they'll say it's about fuckin' 'strayan fuckin' values which are Judeo-Christian and not some raghead bullshit.

why? because they are cunts.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:23 (yesterday) Permalink

Wearing a burqa = un-Australian
fiddling kiddies = GROUSE!

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:24 (yesterday) Permalink

no they'll say it's about fuckin' 'strayan fuckin' values which are Judeo-Christian and not some raghead bullshit.

why? because they are cunts.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Thursday, 23 November 2017 17:23 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look edwardo, they're only trying to strike a balance between the freedom to destroy the lives of everyone they hate and the freedom to turn every australian into a fucking handmaid

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:17 (yesterday) Permalink

it's not their fault they're hostile fucking bigots who ignore everything about their religion the second they have a chance to kick a non-straight literally in the face

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:18 (yesterday) Permalink


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