THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

no regrets coyote

rolling thunder era dylan face, makeup and hat

"must be santa" era dylan voice and facial hair

joooooooo-ey

and as a result, in a tarantino-esque twisted-history ending, hoffa does himself in

Shoots himself in the back of the head so it will look like foul play, forever trolling his survivors

Joe Pesci in rolling thunder era dylan face, makeup and hat would look like Robert Blake in Lost Highway.

He kinda looked like an aging Hamburglar as it was

Doc C, it's NA.

Anyway, can't say I've seen deNiro better in 30 years.

Soderbergh used de-aging on Matt Damon in the Liberace film, right?

deniro better in : heat, casino, jackie brown

and

analyze that

I know when I think about my own younger years, I look to myself like a video game NPC whose face never moves.

oh i and was wrong he's supposed to be 24, not 26, in the earliest flashback

Don't people from Philly come out the womb looking 40

jiv, he's good in JB and Casino (Heat went in my memory dump). This is by far a tougher role, very little volatility or big emotions.

sheeran is supposed to be 26 years old in the first flashback with the truck LOL

Alfred Hitchcock ("I call those people The Plausibles") to thread

stay away from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance i guess

Don't people from Philly come out the womb looking 40

― master of nuggets (Neanderthal),

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Lol touche

feel responsible for this change argument cuz i glossed dc's "tragedy" remark as meaning "unchanging characters", which was bad. "what kind of man makes a call like that?" is as much as to ask "what kind of man am i?" but then since the answer is right there (the kind who makes a call like that) maybe he does understand (see) himself at the end-- that is, learn something. this is a kind of change. however i do think the movie believes character is destiny, which is also why it works that its image of aging is of fully human faces emerging over decades from beneath layers of mask.

oh he said "nobody changes" too actually, whatever

understanding certainly feels like a change but you are still the same suspended quantum string ykno?

since its idea of damning yourself is about surrendering the will-- to orders and jargon (the orwellian pairing)-- it is a particularly cruel universe the movie makes for us in which we never see him be any other person than this one, unless you count the one who wonders if he has been this one. but the priest does offer him redemption of the will (redemption rendered impressively precise and mechanical-- "seeing yourself" as the last action available to take for yourself) and at the end the door is literally open to it, so i suppose it is a catholic movie and not a tragedy.

what if you believe people never change -- instead, people discover or suppress virtues/flaws?

then there is the nietzschean nurse, who's gonna have to put him through all of this again. is self-knowledge the first step out of recurrence? idk xp2self

Saw this a second time for something I'm working on--would not have otherwise. Nothing much to add to what I posted above: it's good, and it's also careful and kind of forgettable. I did confirm something that I noticed the first time and forgot to check: Hoffa's wife is played by Welker White, Lois the babysitter in Goodfellas.

oh word? very cool

Yea i recognized her immediately. Made me happy

forgettable? no, that's HEAT.

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Tbh I’m sympathetic to Scorsese’s take that we accept makeup even when we know it’s fake and might not look 100% real, we should be able to get over digital makeup the same way. It looked weird in some parts but w/e, I get it.

On the other hand I heard Pacino say in an interview that he saw a full cut of the movie without any of the cgi, I can only imagine how weird and funny that must have been

not as weird as you think. they show some of the making-of footage in the Netflix extra - they just really just pancaked on the physical makeup before doing the digital work

There's an absolute army of digital artists in the end credits, probably the most for any movie that doesn't involve spaceships and/or superheroes.

but there's *some* of this in all studio films by now, surely

np Neand, just havin fun

I think I read that they did it in the new Pee Wee movie a couple years ago. I wonder if its much more common that we realize, and & only noticed when it's particularly clunky and/or publicized.

I had a few things to say about it.

I mean you've got people making fairly convincing deepfakes in order to get likes on Twitter, not surprising that this would happen in an actual for-profit movie

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/media/irishman-scorsese-netflix-ratings.html

... 18 percent of audiences watched the movie in its entirety on the first day of streaming.

or fell asleep and left it running, or the numbers are completely made up, no way to know. but heartening if true!

Yeah Netflix “ratings” are in the category of data we Brits call “chinny reckon”

Pretty prime release date for it. Lot of people bored with their relatives.

And thinking about murdering them/putting them in a home?

the one time of year when you go to church

My inlaws came arrived the night before thanksgiving and were p much immediately like “should we out on that Irishman movie?”

Here are 2 things I *never* thought I’d say (and that will soon land me on many “check out this dumb tweet” threads): I think it’s fantastic that everybody is now arguing about MARRIAGE STORY & THE IRISHMAN. And I think their widespread availability on Netflix made that possible.

— Bilge Ebiri (@BilgeEbiri) December 7, 2019

Speaking of Adam Driver, "The Report" is up on Amazon as well. For sure I'm more able/likely to see all three of these movies at home.

Bilge isn’t wrong there

i finally saw this, had to do it over two nights. next time i'll do it in one since it's a pretty swift 209 minutes. at the moment not much to add, i'll have more to say another time. but i thought it was fascinating in how it was less a "at the end of your life you're going to be alone and abandoned if you make certain choices" as much as "you'll be alone your whole life if you do this." there are so many scenes where Frank is on the outside looking in, not privy to information regarding jobs he'll be tasked with carrying out, watching people talk to one another or make phone calls, just completely powerless and only knowing about something when it's time to get an order, such a passive pawn being pushed around the board that some low-level nobody gangster approaches him on some minor thing and he just shrugs and says ok, and it almost gets him killed for reasons he barely understands. Only an intervention from Russell and some mercy from Angelo Bruno let him live another day. and his allegiance to Hoffa is also something that almost gets him killed, or it's heavily implied that it would, if he himself doesn't handle this thing in Michigan. also near the end when Russell tells him he chose "us over him", that is basically Frank's life: he chose his way of life over anyone else who really cared about him, or who ever could have at one point. After he gets into this life he only survives because other people find him useful vs any of them actually really giving much of a shit about him. Maybe Russell does, but in fairly empty and quietly destructive way.

also Anna Paquin's almost mute role didn't bother me, her presence was palpable in all of her scenes, and someone of her particular charisma and recognizability for that type of role is required.

the same goes for Keitel as well; he's the most fearsome guy in the room, even just as a background figure who periodically makes decisions about jobs Frank carries out, or periodically decides if Frank lives or dies.

there are so many scenes where Frank is on the outside looking in, not privy to information regarding jobs he'll be tasked with carrying out

this movie repeatedly does this weirdly disorienting thing where *something* happens first and then it's only explained later. see the whole "little guy" conversation that happens before we know who the little guy is and the broad daylight assassination scored to Sleep Walk.

I'd have to check, but isn't who the little guy is clarified in voice-over within a minute of his first mention--two at the most? There's a gap, but I don't remember it as being very significant.

The little guy is Joey Pro, and we are introduced to him relatively early in the film, but not as "the little guy." The back-and-forth Frank and Hoffa have in the hotel room about "the little guy" goes on long enough to make you think they might in fact be talking about Russell.