THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

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A 40-year gangster epic going into production in the next month. Pacino plays Jimmy Hoffa, Bobby Cannavale is Joey gallo, Ray Romano a Teamster lawyer. Produced and distributed by Netflix.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1302006/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sheeran

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:28 (two years ago) link

finally, the scorsese/romano team-up we've been clamouring for all these years

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

Who is playing the irishman

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:40 (two years ago) link

noted irishman robert o'niro iirc

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:41 (two years ago) link

Cannavale a good choice

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:43 (two years ago) link

I'm not sure thats working for me

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

maybe look at dirty grandpa and educate yourself a bit before you continue embarrassing yourself online like this

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:46 (two years ago) link

lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:47 (two years ago) link

I hope Netflix finds away to block everyone who skipped SILENCE from watching this.

Chris L, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:51 (two years ago) link

*a way, ugh

Chris L, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:51 (two years ago) link

noted irishman robert o'niro iirc

lmao

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link

robert the neary

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link

de Niro is part Irish on his dad's side

who cares, but ilx's proud ignorance sure covers the waterfront

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link

aye but the real sheehan was part swedish, where's our fuckin' irish swede in the lead role

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:58 (two years ago) link

Also, De Niro's character in Goodfellas was Irish, too.

cultural appropriation imo, #boycotttheirishman

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:59 (two years ago) link

Is this the one where the main gag is deniro playing a 10yo or whatever

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:01 (two years ago) link

not goin that young, but some CG a la Benjamin Button to reverse the aging early, it seems.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:03 (two years ago) link

Look morbs far be it from me but the movie is called the fuckin irishman mon ta fuck like

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:07 (two years ago) link

script by Steve Zaillian, who i guess is newly hot from "The Night Of"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link

tbf i think the titular irishman here is irish in that uniquely american sense of 'had an ancestor who once grew a potato'

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:19 (two years ago) link

notallpaddies

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:22 (two years ago) link

Robert Anthony De Niro[4] was born on August 17, 1943, in the Greenwich Village area of Manhattan, New York, the son of painters Virginia Admiral and Robert De Niro Sr.[5] He is of Irish and Italian descent on his father's side,[6] while his mother had Dutch, English, French, and German ancestry.[7]

nomar, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:23 (two years ago) link

All due respect it's not called the Italian Irish Dutch English French German man now is it

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:25 (two years ago) link

^^^would watch

mark s, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:26 (two years ago) link

that'll be on the next Fall album

imago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:28 (two years ago) link

It's the role he was born several times to play

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:28 (two years ago) link

to be fair robert deniro is generally cast as italian american characters despite the fact that he's only a quarter italian so him playing an irishman is not a huge stretch

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:34 (two years ago) link

let's all just agree that ardal o'hanlon should be cast in the lead and move on with our lives

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:35 (two years ago) link

always suspected Scorcese had one more gangster film in him, one about the top-level guys that *really* run shit from the back of a grocery store in Casino - it would complete the tetralogy, going up the ladder from small-time hoods in Mean Streets to the "soldiers" in Goodfellas up through the higher-ranking mafioso in "Casino".

this could still totally suck of course, idk. skeptical about the CGI aging aspect.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:39 (two years ago) link

would also say that sylvester stallone's jimmy hoffa movie "f.i.s.t." is the last word in union/mob epics

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:39 (two years ago) link

Scorsese keeps a-goin' til everyone spells his name right

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:41 (two years ago) link

lol sory

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:43 (two years ago) link

script by Steve Zaillian, who i guess is newly hot from "The Night Of"

You mean hot again? Certainly Scorsese has been hot for him for years.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:44 (two years ago) link

the night of was good ...

for me to poop on

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:45 (two years ago) link

I think Zaillian only adapted Gangs of New York for MS?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:48 (two years ago) link

Yeah, you're right.

Would love to see a Marty comedy about disorganized crime. Bits of The Departed are the funniest shit ever, as are bits of GoodFellas, but he hasn't done a comedy since After Hours, right?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:49 (two years ago) link

i suppose some people describe that abominable last one w/ DiCaprio as a comedy, as a plea.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:51 (two years ago) link

it's definitely funny

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:51 (two years ago) link

(also godawful)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:52 (two years ago) link

Bits of The Departed are the funniest shit ever

"I'm the guy who does his fucking job, you must be the other guy" vs. the rat symbolizes obviousness

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:52 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1dFYHNCpy4

Wolf ... Oh yeah, I guess that was funny (though classically speaking, more a tragedy than a comedy).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:53 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTaVxTmB5k4

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

haven't seen his cable Public Speaking w/ Fran Lebowitz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

WoWS was non-stop lolz for me

but I thought Morbz was referring to Shutter Island hahah

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

WOWS completely a comedy

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

GoodFellas *is* a comedy, really.

When they found Sepe in the meat
truck, he was frozen so stiff it
took them two days to thaw him out
for the autopsy.
(pause)
Still, I never saw Jimmy so happy.
He was like a kid.

nomar, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:56 (two years ago) link

Hugo had a pretty heavy comedic streak... does anyone remember it winning 5 Oscars?

WoWS died when McConnahey left

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:57 (two years ago) link

or fell asleep and left it running, or the numbers are completely made up, no way to know. but heartening if true!

Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 December 2019 23:59 (six days ago) link

Yeah Netflix “ratings” are in the category of data we Brits call “chinny reckon”

For how much longer do we tolerate trashed purdah? (wins), Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:01 (five days ago) link

Pretty prime release date for it. Lot of people bored with their relatives.

circa1916, Saturday, 7 December 2019 01:38 (five days ago) link

And thinking about murdering them/putting them in a home?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:40 (five days ago) link

the one time of year when you go to church

j., Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:43 (five days ago) link

My inlaws came arrived the night before thanksgiving and were p much immediately like “should we out on that Irishman movie?”

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 7 December 2019 06:42 (five days ago) link

Here are 2 things I *never* thought I’d say (and that will soon land me on many “check out this dumb tweet” threads): I think it’s fantastic that everybody is now arguing about MARRIAGE STORY & THE IRISHMAN. And I think their widespread availability on Netflix made that possible.

— Bilge Ebiri (@BilgeEbiri) December 7, 2019

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 December 2019 21:25 (five days ago) link

Speaking of Adam Driver, "The Report" is up on Amazon as well. For sure I'm more able/likely to see all three of these movies at home.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 December 2019 21:31 (five days ago) link

Bilge isn’t wrong there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 8 December 2019 06:34 (four days ago) link

i finally saw this, had to do it over two nights. next time i'll do it in one since it's a pretty swift 209 minutes. at the moment not much to add, i'll have more to say another time. but i thought it was fascinating in how it was less a "at the end of your life you're going to be alone and abandoned if you make certain choices" as much as "you'll be alone your whole life if you do this." there are so many scenes where Frank is on the outside looking in, not privy to information regarding jobs he'll be tasked with carrying out, watching people talk to one another or make phone calls, just completely powerless and only knowing about something when it's time to get an order, such a passive pawn being pushed around the board that some low-level nobody gangster approaches him on some minor thing and he just shrugs and says ok, and it almost gets him killed for reasons he barely understands. Only an intervention from Russell and some mercy from Angelo Bruno let him live another day. and his allegiance to Hoffa is also something that almost gets him killed, or it's heavily implied that it would, if he himself doesn't handle this thing in Michigan. also near the end when Russell tells him he chose "us over him", that is basically Frank's life: he chose his way of life over anyone else who really cared about him, or who ever could have at one point. After he gets into this life he only survives because other people find him useful vs any of them actually really giving much of a shit about him. Maybe Russell does, but in fairly empty and quietly destructive way.

also Anna Paquin's almost mute role didn't bother me, her presence was palpable in all of her scenes, and someone of her particular charisma and recognizability for that type of role is required.

the same goes for Keitel as well; he's the most fearsome guy in the room, even just as a background figure who periodically makes decisions about jobs Frank carries out, or periodically decides if Frank lives or dies.

omar little, Monday, 9 December 2019 18:13 (three days ago) link

there are so many scenes where Frank is on the outside looking in, not privy to information regarding jobs he'll be tasked with carrying out

this movie repeatedly does this weirdly disorienting thing where *something* happens first and then it's only explained later. see the whole "little guy" conversation that happens before we know who the little guy is and the broad daylight assassination scored to Sleep Walk.

ryan, Monday, 9 December 2019 19:09 (three days ago) link

I'd have to check, but isn't who the little guy is clarified in voice-over within a minute of his first mention--two at the most? There's a gap, but I don't remember it as being very significant.

clemenza, Monday, 9 December 2019 20:50 (three days ago) link

The little guy is Joey Pro, and we are introduced to him relatively early in the film, but not as "the little guy." The back-and-forth Frank and Hoffa have in the hotel room about "the little guy" goes on long enough to make you think they might in fact be talking about Russell.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:10 (three days ago) link

dunno if it's been discussed earlier (i think it was?) but the actor playing joey pro does a great job with a mostly throwaway character

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:11 (three days ago) link

Yeah Stephen Graham, he’s very very good in the Pesci-type role here.

omar little, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:12 (three days ago) link

Speaking if which, that scene had one of a handful of Pacino jewels, namely the whole "Ohh, I can breathe now! I can breathe again! Ohh boy." Then nods right off. Not as memorable as "A knife, you charge; a gun, you run" or "What do you know about cleaning up a fish? You ever caught a fucking fish? Didn't think so" but not far behind.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:14 (three days ago) link

The weirdest coincidence for me was that I saw this the first time on Nov. 11, the day Don Cherry was fired for his reference to "you people"--the exact phrase that gets Joey Pro so agitated.

clemenza, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:17 (three days ago) link

Ha! I thought the same thing too, when I saw it.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:21 (three days ago) link

Neither apologized, either.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:21 (three days ago) link

i think Russell Bufalino's only pseudonym in the film is "McGee" (used regularly in the book)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:26 (three days ago) link

one of the low-key funniest things about this film was the use of allusive language, like when Frank keeps telling Hoffa, "they're concerned" and later "they're very concerned", the escalation within that is just hilarious to me. "No you don't understand they're really, really concerned" etc etc. I think it was said earlier but no one wants to say anything explicitly and no one ever does, which perhaps IRL is for plausible deniability but for the film works in a very chilling but poetic way, everyone wants to keep the dirty business as far away from their conscience as possible. So even Frank when he pulls the trigger on Hoffa it's almost like he can act like it was outside himself, a separate act which he was witnessing more than actually committing.

omar little, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:28 (three days ago) link

frank mentioned something about what mob guys really mean when they say they're "concerned" in that scene in the diner.

10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:36 (three days ago) link

He did - it was the scene with Beansie from The Sopranos.

I'd have been such a lousy mobster. That shit needs to be spelled out for me, and maybe even confirmed by email.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:38 (three days ago) link

i think even then though it's more like "concerned" means "really concerned" and "really concerned" means "desperate"

omar little, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:41 (three days ago) link

the clearest it gets is when they say "he's gotta go"

omar little, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:41 (three days ago) link

To Australia.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 21:43 (three days ago) link

I'd have been such a lousy mobster. That shit needs to be spelled out for me, and maybe even confirmed by email.

"they're really concerned... they turned on their read-receipt notification..."

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:44 (three days ago) link

"it's what it is"
"What do you nean, it's what it is?"
"Do I gotta spell it out for you?"
"Yeah."
"Well I can't."
"Why?"
"Because it's what it is, and if I tell you what 'it' is, I might no longer 'is'"
"That makes no goddamn sense."
"Neither does your haircut. But are you reading me here?"
"Yeah. It's not what it is."
"No, it's what it is."
"What's what it is?"
"IT. IT'S IT."
"What is 'it'?"

*Frank shoots Hoffa and furiously kicks his corpse*

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:53 (three days ago) link

*A wealthy old dowager with a giant fancy hat comes in, starts berating Frank for being the worst housepainter she’s ever seen, smacking him with her handbag*

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 December 2019 22:23 (three days ago) link

"I hear you're quite a house painter, Frank."
"Yes, I am, thank you, sir. I also do my own carpentry."
"Oh, you do, do you? That's great. Maybe you could take a look at the new deck I'm building on my house at the lake."
"Sir, does that mean what I think it means?"
"Well Frank, what do you think it means?"
"Um, I think it means what I think it means, I mean, what it is. It's what it is."
"Great! So glad we're on the same page!"

I'm surprised there weren't more who's-on-first exchanges like that. There was that great one between Frank and Angelo early on:

"Frank, do you know who else had an interest in that cleaning business?"
"No sir, I don't."
"I do."
"Oh, you know?"
"No Frank! I do! I know, and I do!"

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2019 22:42 (three days ago) link

Haha I liked that one

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 December 2019 23:03 (three days ago) link

I didn't think there was anything particularly new with the suspension-of-disbelief required by the CGI - accepting Robert DeNiro as a young Marlon Brando or Winona Ryder in old lady makeup or Brad Pitt as an old baby require a similar level of acceptance from the viewer. It's just that this was achieved with a different and fairly novel technique. As such it involves it's own peculiarities (old men don't *move* like men in their 20s, as has been noted), the viewer either rolls with it or does not.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:04 (two days ago) link

sorry to be pedantic but the number of people referring to "joey pro" in recent posts has had me chortling

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:09 (two days ago) link

I totally missed McGee = Bufalino, what kind of nickname is that

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:13 (two days ago) link

one for the FBI tapes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:21 (two days ago) link

xp lol, yes it's "tony pro" my bad

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:28 (two days ago) link

w/r/t the CGI -- it didn't bother me whatsoever, and i didn't even notice it after awhile. DeNiro didn't seem like a young DeNiro ever but then again i mostly bought him as a burly run down bulky mid century thirtysomething, and he wasn't playing a young DeNiro. He was playing a young Sheeran.

I thought the VO was good too, and different. It was this very straightforward thing, it wasn't occasionally poetic like DeNiro's Casino narration, it wasn't nearly as colorful or comedic as Liotta's GoodFellas one, it was this very matter-of-fact info. Perfect for a character who only half-understood what was happening at any given moment and never really caught on to anything until it was too late, including the cost of his chosen life.

omar little, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:13 (two days ago) link

Was there any breaking of the fourth wall that you tend to see a lot of in Scorsese pictures? There was Frank in the nursing home, but even then it seemed like he was talking to an unseen interlocutor, not us, the audience. Maybe Frank's VO the whole time was him explaining away his life to the priest? I otherwise don't recall anything.

xp they're all named Tony!

henry s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:41 (two days ago) link

There was the scene where Pacino sat up after being shot in the head and said "But that's not how it happened!"

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:53 (two days ago) link

the cgi didn't bother me either, but i generally am pretty good at suspending disbelief (i didn't notice deniro's stiffness during the grocery store scene or the gun throwing scenes). it did make it a little confusing when it became clear that the story was unfolding with non-linear chronology (with flashbacks from that detroit road trip), because all the de-aged versions of deniro and pesci looked the same to me.

10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:56 (two days ago) link

I think when you chuck a gun into the river you probably are going to flick it in, rather than throw it like a baseball. That seemed believable. The grocery store scene was pretty incongruent though. De Niro kicked and stomped the dude slowly and awkwardly, looked young but moved old, and didn't seem all that menacing.

henry s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:20 (two days ago) link

Yea plus his guns landed where other guns already were

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:21 (two days ago) link

they also used cgi for broken glass in a really shitty way in that scene (it fell too slowly iirc).

he chucked a gun like an old man, like he has limited mobility in his limbs and chucking a heavy piece of metal is kind of a strain

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:22 (two days ago) link

I'm just against de-aging, I've realized. sure, do it to make a septuagenarian look 50, maybe. but use it sparingly ffs.

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:24 (two days ago) link

Was there any breaking of the fourth wall that you tend to see a lot of in Scorsese pictures? There was Frank in the nursing home, but even then it seemed like he was talking to an unseen interlocutor, not us, the audience. Maybe Frank's VO the whole time was him explaining away his life to the priest? I otherwise don't recall anything.

i didn't notice anything like this other than the nursing home scenes.

i'm going to try to watch it again later this week, there's a lot about it that is lingering w/me. one thing i noticed is that the violence is fast, they just get it over with and keep walking. Even the Hoffa hit is just two shots and out the door. And it's quite a bit less grisly than his other gangster films.

omar little, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 22:07 (two days ago) link

Sorta felt to me like Scorsese was making up for Casino, which I felt at the time was something of a misreading of Goodfellas (i.e. if it's violence they want, it's violence they'll get.)

I liked the fast plot pacing in general, like how Frank's affair/divorce/remarriage was handled in 2 short sentences of dialogue: "There's no good time to leave your wife. But that's what I did."

henry s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 22:30 (two days ago) link

Marty explaining duel wielding!!! pic.twitter.com/L1kOmByh6p

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) December 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 15:47 (yesterday) link

this was way upthread and maybe already answered but regarding the aspect ratio, I bet he shot flat because he knew it would be largely seen on 16x9 televisions.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:38 (yesterday) link

inevitably so

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:04 (yesterday) link

Frank: I’m a friend of Jimmy Bofa

Jimmy: Who’s Jimmy Bo-

Frank: pic.twitter.com/pupaJD1zKF

— Columbo’s Fake Wife (@SlayerofCis) December 12, 2019

mh, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:53 (twenty-two minutes ago) link


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