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A thread for Japanese language learners.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 August 2017 23:56 (three years ago) link

Hopefully I didn't screw up the thread title.

Does anyone have a good resource for learning Japanese food words. Decoding menus and ordering food are my number one priority.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 00:07 (three years ago) link

難しいですね。

lots of kanji + non-standard fonts have made menus v tough in my experience. this is something I'm also curious about...

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 00:23 (three years ago) link

お休みなさい。

Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 03:19 (three years ago) link

I have found this helpful for negotiating Japanese menus.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 03:43 (three years ago) link

That is good.

One thing that has been helpful/entertaining has been watching japanese style originator on Netflix. It's a show where they look at classic japanese things, sort of like one of those 'Ilove the ...' programmes on channel 4. 50 things to put on rice was very good and I now need to go through it at a more stop start pace to learn more of the words for the tastiest things.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 03:56 (three years ago) link

Just download the Google Translate app and use the camera function.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 07:01 (three years ago) link

It's good, but it gets tripped up by a lot of japanese script, especially the more handwritten ones.

Works really well on stuff like this:

http://imgur.com/a/edaxp

Less good on stuff like this:

http://imgur.com/a/2vj96

And not at all on stuff like this:

http://imgur.com/a/3TrB0

Stuff carved into wooden boards on the far side of a bar, forget about it. Besides, having some fluency around this makes one of the best things about Japan a to more fluid and fun.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 07:17 (three years ago) link

Damnit

It's good, but it gets tripped up by a lot of japanese script, especially the more handwritten ones.

Works really well on stuff like this:

https://i.imgur.com/t1qGJ8U.png

Less good on stuff like this:

https://i.imgur.com/WjOnVvb.png

And not at all on stuff like this:

https://i.imgur.com/QJxUcGxl.png

Stuff carved into wooden boards on the far side of a bar, forget about it. Besides, having some fluency around this makes one of the best things about Japan a to more fluid and fun.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 07:19 (three years ago) link

昼ごはんは おいしい です。

Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:27 (three years ago) link

That now makes sense having just got to that bit in duo lingo.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 11 August 2017 03:00 (three years ago) link

This one too:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

Barkis Garvey (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 August 2017 05:04 (three years ago) link

http://st.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/13/27/NEOBK-2071037.jpg

I thought about buying one of the Unko Guide Drill books while in Tokyo last month (I even went to Namja Town and saw the associated "exhibition") but I decided I don't really need to learn to write kanji by hand at this point---speaking, listening, and reading come first.

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 11 August 2017 05:46 (three years ago) link

Honestly, make friends with some bilingual friends... esp. if you're going to restaurants with 150-500 yen menus.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 August 2017 07:24 (three years ago) link

One potential way to get a little more kanji out of Duolingo is to click on an English word, perhaps after you've submitted so it doesn't count against you, to see if it gives you a kanji definition as well as hiragana.

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 02:25 (three years ago) link

So if you are asked to define "bird," type とり, hit the green button and then hover over the word "bird" and you will see 鳥

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 02:28 (three years ago) link

Or if it's "cat," type ねこ, hit green button, hover over "cat" to see 猫

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 02:32 (three years ago) link

Finally, for "dog," type いぬ, hover over "dog" to see 犬.

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 02:34 (three years ago) link

For extra value, type all that stuff in this thread.

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 August 2017 02:35 (three years ago) link

just on menus, i would recommend checking restaurant websites / gurunavi pages before going into a place that might have a confusing menu. you can translate things at your own pace and look polished and professional when ordering!

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:46 (three years ago) link

kanji-heavy menu like that, might be best just to learn to say: "what's this one?" the scribbly menu below it, your basic katakana and some deduction will get you there, you're going to notice everything is ハイ and hey it must be a 酎ハイ menu! you don't need to translate it, just go ahead and order your favorite chuhai and it's going to be okay.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:49 (three years ago) link

ありがとうございます y'all for the menu tips

would those of you using it recommend duolingo for a vocab builder? I've never touched it but could use something to poke me daily on that front.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 3 September 2017 17:19 (three years ago) link

Based on other languages, it's not great as a vocabulary builder once you actually know something. If you are a beginner or rusty intermediate it is great for starting or getting back on track.

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 September 2017 18:23 (three years ago) link

ah, gotcha. thanks! but sounds like it's not quite what I'm looking for then. 私の日本語はすごく下手ですけど、単語をちょっと知っています。

I just know a handful of kanji really, so I was thinking of just memorizing a new one a day and some words that use this new character. (and since memorizing the 'readings' has been pointless for me because the way they're actually implemented is so inconsistent.) this requires some discipline, unfortunately :-|

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 3 September 2017 19:42 (three years ago) link

My wife is using Memrise as a vocab builder, she did Japanese at university and is filling in gaps whereas I am using duolingo for the basics.

I've been using Skritter for 漢字 learning. I was using the Chinese version for 汉子 and thought is was good, there are less useful lists in he 日本語 version but it's relatively easy to build your own. The Chinese version had some great food lists for example. What I like about skritter is that you have to draw the 漢字 which works really well for me from a learning perspective.

Finally Japanese is a useful dictionary with a flash card function; however I just use it for favouriting thugs I look up, creating lists for importing into skritter.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

My wife is using Memrise as a vocab builder, she did Japanese at university and is filling in gaps whereas I am using duolingo for the basics.

I've been using Skritter for 漢字 learning. I was using the Chinese version for 汉子 and thought is was good, there are less useful lists in he 日本語 version but it's relatively easy to build your own. The Chinese version had some great food lists for example. What I like about skritter is that you have to draw the 漢字 which works really well for me from a learning perspective.

Finally Japanese is a useful dictionary with a flash card function; however I just use it for favouriting thugs I look up, creating lists for importing into skritter.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

My wife is using Memrise as a vocab builder, she did Japanese at university and is filling in gaps whereas I am using duolingo for the basics.

I've been using Skritter for 漢字 learning. I was using the Chinese version for 汉子 and thought is was good, there are less useful lists in he 日本語 version but it's relatively easy to build your own. The Chinese version had some great food lists for example. What I like about skritter is that you have to draw the 漢字 which works really well for me from a learning perspective.

Finally Japanese is a useful dictionary with a flash card function; however I just use it for favouriting thugs I look up, creating lists for importing into skritter.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

will check out memrise, thank you!

I briefly tried out skritter but not really long enough to have anything interesting to say. but I def agree about drawing the 漢字, there's something about writing (and, for me, esp. writing on paper) that helps to smash things into your brain. also, I just find writing pleasant and ~relaxing~.

I really like the midori dictionary app. it also has lets you turn your bookmarks into flash cards, which I sometimes flip thru to kill time on the subway. works offline too, which is good for traveling. tho I suppose google translate does that not too.

jisho is also nice for a the web.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:44 (three years ago) link

*does that now too 😣
*nice for the web 😳

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:46 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

So I finished Duolingo and feel like I have both learned and not really learned anything. Like I said on the other thread it feels like I have beat a game but in doing so I've learnt a bit about the language. I'm doing busuu now which is better as it has more sophisticated exercises, particularly in listening and it has the added bonus of exercises corrected by native speakers; people trade corrections. It does cost though.

What it lacks though is any explanation of grammar so I'm now looking for a good grammar textbook, or textbook that is good at explaining grammar. We have the Japan Times Grammar dictionary which is only useful if you know what you are looking for.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 07:34 (three years ago) link

haven't really shopped around but the genki textbooks (eri banno) do a p good job with this. and also have funny cartoons.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:54 (three years ago) link

Now I have two upcoming trips to Japan! So I need to work again in earnest on my language. I will have a look at the Genki textbooks when I am there, or if I can find them here (don't just wanna order blind online).

But have any of you tried https://minato-jf.jp ? They are run by the Japan Foundation, and are free. I have good experience with online courses so maybe I'll do this instead of duolingo, where I share some of Ed's concerns.

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 08:11 (three years ago) link

I'm enjoying Buusuu a lot - the social element, having your little texts and speeches corrected is really good.

Question - How do you type the small versions of や、よ and う?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 October 2017 23:29 (three years ago) link

I wrote this on the train this morning and was very pleased with myself:

毎日六時に起きます。お茶を淹れます。奥さんのために朝ごはんを作ります。今日私たちはスクランブルエッグや海苔や唐辛子七味を食べました。七時シヤワーを浴びます。七時半電車で会社に行きます。

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 30 October 2017 23:33 (three years ago) link

Busuu sent me a limited time half price offer. Wonder if I should take the bait.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 November 2017 23:38 (three years ago) link

I wish I could get the social elements of Busuu without Busuu. The language learning is built on a framework for a european language, even the dialogues talk about Euros not yen. Very little has been done to localise it and I think it is teaching me bad habits in japanese eg. people correcting my japanese say that 彼 and 彼女 are rarely used in favour of name-さん and その人。I'm worried its not very tuned in to japanese idiom and someone just programmed it with a dictionary. Persevering though because people are very generous with their corrections.

I found another app which solves my grammar guide need for now without paying for Genki - Human japanese which is structured like a classroom course would be with nice explanations of the actual mechanics of japanese. Well written too. $13.99 for both the beginner and intermediate courses as a bundle and no subscription fees which is good in my book. Covering a lot of stuff I have 'learnt' in duolingo and busuu and it's really helping.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:36 (three years ago) link

I️ can’t tell from what you are saying what the app is called, is it Genki?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:43 (three years ago) link

Oh sorry, I️ see, Human Japanese, and you bought the bundle.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:50 (three years ago) link

Must have been using variant keyboard

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 06:10 (three years ago) link

そです

My writing is far from clear.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 06:19 (three years ago) link

Busuu is now really getting on my wick.

It is using ‘May I...’ and ‘Can I...’ as translations for 。。。していいますか。This may be true but passing the test means not only matching true words but he daft pictures as well. Rapidly falling off this wagon.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:53 (three years ago) link

Dude! I just hitched onto it last night based on your prior recommendation.

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:01 (three years ago) link

Sorry, the social aspect is really good, though.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 22:03 (three years ago) link

I complained about Buusuu through the medium of App Store reviews and did get a response saying that they were reviewing their Japanese course.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 9 November 2017 03:00 (three years ago) link

I also signed up for their Turkish course, which seems somewhat unidiomatic to me, based on what little I know, but yeah, as a result three people corrected my exercise and seven people almost immediately wanted to be my "friend," Haven't accepted any such requests yet, do you think that will hurt me?

Bazooka Jobim (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 November 2017 03:06 (three years ago) link

そです

My writing is far from clear.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, November 6, 2017 10:19 PM (two days ago)

です

;-)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 November 2017 03:32 (three years ago) link

Okay, Ed, I have two pieces of advice for you.

Part Time Punkahwallah (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:36 (three years ago) link

Also, social aspect for corrections and such on busuu is useful. Corrections can come back within seconds.

Part Time Punkahwallah (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:20 (three years ago) link

I'm thinking of getting the Genki book & workbook when I'm Tokyo in January. I find typing Japanese characters really puzzling so far and I'd rather just work by hand for now I think. But I dunno. Really what I want is to be able to speak, listen, and read, in about that order; writing is less important but should come in time as well.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:48 (three years ago) link

On the first one it could be a really bad mis writing I of the volitional 泳ごう。 making it ‘He made me want to go swimming’ which seems a bit weird, but ok could work.

That last one you posted I just don’t know. I do get the sense that some of the less popular corners of Duolingo don’t get proofed very well. There’s a quite a few errors in the later levels of LingoDeer as well.

My reading is coming along by leaps and bounds I can recognise 750 kanji and I’m starting to do pretty well with teenage novels and manga.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 8 April 2019 02:26 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Duolingo just significantly upgraded their Japanese course, wondering if this addresses any of our concerns, tend to doubt it.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 June 2019 23:53 (one year ago) link

There do seem to be a lot more kanji in the lessons, I’ll give them that

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:44 (one year ago) link

I took a peak and it didn’t look any different. Not going to waste my time on it.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:12 (one year ago) link

Yes, I figured you were too far along for it to be of use to you.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:33 (one year ago) link

Also, they have been doing A/B testing so maybe you still have the old tree.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:45 (one year ago) link

The new Norwegian tree has been in A/B testing for a a few weeks but I still see only the old tree.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:50 (one year ago) link

なければならない, なければなりません, なければいけない, なければいけません, ねばならぬ, ねばならない, ねばなりません, なければならぬ, なけばならない
 
expression
have to do, must, should, ought to

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 June 2019 11:50 (one year ago) link

See also ないわけにはいかない

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 15 June 2019 12:05 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

火のないところに煙は立たず。
There is no smoke without fire.
Il n’y a pas de fumée sans feu.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:05 (one year ago) link

色々言語を勉強する代わりに日本語を勉強に集中するべきです。

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 July 2019 04:52 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

I finally learned/looked up how to type づ

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 July 2019 11:11 (one year ago) link

It’s just “du”

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 July 2019 11:13 (one year ago) link

Also the little ヶ which is used for some counters and is pronounced “ka” every time I’ve seen it, such as in ヶ月, is typed “ke” like it’s big brother ケ.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:10 (one year ago) link

Aargh “its”

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:11 (one year ago) link

Just type いっかげつ and 1ヶ月 will come up as one of the options.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:35 (one year ago) link

Thanks, but I was going the other way, where I had the kanji but didn’t know how to pronounce it.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 11:27 (one year ago) link

So “lke” goes right to the little ヶ.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:30 (one year ago) link

You can also type ‘x’ before things to get the small letter, or at least you can in Apple world so xke gets you ヶ

ぇぃぅぉ ょヶ

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 1 August 2019 08:38 (one year ago) link

頑張るしかない

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 August 2019 16:57 (one year ago) link

一千三百漢字が覚えったので日本語の雑誌が読めます。

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 1 August 2019 23:07 (one year ago) link

本当に?

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 August 2019 02:27 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

May finally try this wanikani thing

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 23:48 (one week ago) link

It’s good, I got all the way to level 60 and I’m on the run out. It’s helped my reading a lot.

Highly recommend the unofficial iOS app, Tsurukame, which is a much better interface than their web one.

Also didn’t get sucked into doing it as fast as possible. Stuff really starts to pile up once reviews start coming back at you. I had to take two substantial breaks to get through it all and I think it would have been more effective if I’d just set out at a more gentle pace. It’s a marathon not a sprint.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:18 (one week ago) link

Yeah, looks good, someone else recommended it as well. Seems to be well-organized. And yeah, I just binged on the first 20 radicals it gave me, I guess I'd better be careful going forward, as you say.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:19 (one week ago) link

In theory you can get it all done in a year, but you better have a lot of spare time every 4 hours if you want to do that, and be pretty sure you will get everything right.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 23:35 (one week ago) link

How do I keep from getting sucked in or it snowballing, as someone else said, just don’t do too many new lessons when they pop up?

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 12:48 (six days ago) link

maybe limit yourself to 10 new lessons a day? no matter what you do you'll have days where suddenly 150 reviews land in your queue.

i did the first 8-9 levels quickly and then hit a wall and have made very slow progress since though that's more on me than the program

ciderpress, Friday, 30 April 2021 14:06 (six days ago) link

Thanks!

Tsurukame
Got this. Seems like I had previously had a predecessor app called WAniki which seems to be gone now.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 14:38 (six days ago) link

So it hasn’t gotten bad for me yet- still only on Level 1, with no vocabulary unlocked yet- but can well imagine the tsunami of combinatorial explosions that is coming soon.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 15:02 (six days ago) link

if you already know some vocab then the first several levels are gonna be pretty trivial and having to learn names for the radicals is kinda obnoxious

ciderpress, Friday, 30 April 2021 15:08 (six days ago) link

I pretty much know all the vocabulary that is coming up but I don’t always know the pronunciations they want for the kanji and/or I mistype them so I guess that’s useful practice. I am trying to cross check their names for the radicals with other lists. Well one at least.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 15:16 (six days ago) link

Like what they call the drop is usually the dot, and construction is usually craft.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 15:18 (six days ago) link

Also usually know the Japanese readings, which I still might mistype, but not necessarily the Chinese readings.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 April 2021 15:19 (six days ago) link

Unfortunately the only thing that can stop yourself from getting buried is self-restraint. It’s very tempting to think I have some spare time I’ll just learn a few more things. If you get that urge, I would recommend going and finding something to read in Japanese.

Keep in mind that I followed none of this advice, but i am now quite good at reading stuff in japanese so YMMV.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 1 May 2021 01:52 (five days ago) link

The default Lesson Batch size is five. Does that make a difference, did you have it higher?

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 May 2021 12:25 (five days ago) link

Like I just had 21 new lessons show up. Maybe I will just do five for now....

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 May 2021 12:53 (five days ago) link

But already did ten...

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 May 2021 13:25 (five days ago) link

once the vocab starts hitting you'll never get through it all 5 at a time, theres like 100+ per level

ciderpress, Saturday, 1 May 2021 14:38 (five days ago) link

well i guess you'll eventually get through it but it'll be real slow

ciderpress, Saturday, 1 May 2021 14:42 (five days ago) link

Review at whatever rate I guess, but don’t do new lessons too fast to at least try and control the spigot

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 May 2021 18:40 (five days ago) link

Tweaking some of my other settings now

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 May 2021 22:12 (five days ago) link

I set it to pair the reading and the meaning, aka back-to-back, and to do the reading first. Also set it to Show All Kanji Readings. And just noticed that typing in an ON reading for Vocabulary that wants a KUN reading allows a do-over or two and doesn’t immediately count as an error.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 May 2021 00:09 (four days ago) link

Does it ever give indication when it is about to unlock?

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:01 (four days ago) link

Ah, okay. Level 2 got unlocked yesterday and it sent me an email warning me to pace myself, eventually if not now.

Can see that this, like so many things, can be addictive and overwhelming.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 May 2021 16:14 (three days ago) link

In another news, looked at Busuu just now and their Japanese cause seems to have been revamped for the better. Probably too easy for anyone on this thread but still.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 04:57 (two days ago) link

Other, not another

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 05:48 (two days ago) link

So I am mostly using the app but the dashboard on the web has at least one important usage.

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 14:19 (yesterday) link


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