David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

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Zodiac: The Series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gZCfRD_zWE

Number None, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:50 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm down.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 19:06 (five months ago) Permalink

not familiar with much of the cast there except McCallany, who is pretty much always very good.

nomar, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:19 (five months ago) Permalink

jesus god every time I think I'm at critical mass of shows to watch, Netflix just heaps another stack on top

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:35 (five months ago) Permalink

new fincher show means they're finally starting phase 2 of netflix shows

qualx, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 06:59 (five months ago) Permalink

lol "already been renewed for season 2" is possibly the biggest pile of marketing bullshit ever

qualx, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 07:00 (five months ago) Permalink

finally, a look at the psychology of a serial killer

the shape of a hot willie lumpkin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 08:57 (five months ago) Permalink

This is apparently based on or heavily influenced by the Ressler and Douglas books, right?

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:12 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah it's an official adaptation

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:34 (five months ago) Permalink

but the characters are fictionalised I assume

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:34 (five months ago) Permalink

It's like MANHUNTER but in the MIND

Eazy, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:36 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean yeah the MIND OF A SERIAL KILLER stuff is sorta played out in the culture, but this isn't really that, or it is in a different kind of way. The beginning of real understanding of the pathologies that drove these guys, and the idea to interview the few in custody at the time, was extremely revolutionary in its day. I assume -- having read several books by both authors -- that that's what the series will concentrate on: the career risks and mental toll taken by these investigators by starting these projects.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:37 (five months ago) Permalink

I am a fan of Douglas (and of Douglas' mentor Robert Ressler who wrote Whoever Fights Monsters)

I actually met Douglas a few years back & got his autograph. He was pretty cool.

Looking forward to seeing this!!

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Jonathan Groff is gr8 too

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Wait this isn't parody?

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:00 (five months ago) Permalink

nope

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:29 (five months ago) Permalink

lol that's a bold choice of title if this isn't a zany spoof of Thomas Harris

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:31 (five months ago) Permalink

It is based on the book Mind Hunter: Inside FBI’s Elite Serial Crime Unit written by Mark Olshaker and John E. Douglas

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:36 (five months ago) Permalink

That clarification... does not affect the lol

it is still called MINDHUNTER

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:42 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm guessing this (not very good) British comedy is on nobody's radar

http://empireonline.media/jpg/70/0/0/640/480/aspectfit/0/0/0/0/0/0/c/articles/58c908747c5c5bdd3ca6791b/Mindhorn%20poster.jpeg

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:43 (five months ago) Permalink

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Harris never wrote anything called "Manhunter" anyway, Michael Mann did.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:44 (five months ago) Permalink

Harris's Jack Crawford character was partially based on Douglas, which is presumably why he semi-borrowed the title back off Mann for his book. It's a rich tapestry

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 17:27 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Available on Netflix from today, really looking forward to this.

nate woolls, Friday, 13 October 2017 07:53 (three months ago) Permalink

I'll reserve judgment until I finish the season but halfway in I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:24 (three months ago) Permalink

pvmic i just finshed binging the whole thing

omg so good

I HAVE THOUGHTS

- I was skeptical that having Groff as Douglas’s substitute would mean Douglas would aggrandize himself & his achievements bc that’s the way he is, but he does not come off well by the end & i really like that, that really put it over the top for me

- the slow burn of neuroses between the three of them is fantastic, because a job like that cant not eat away at the very fabric of yr “self”

- casting of all the criminal subjects was incredible, and the actors were a+. from kemper to speck, not a bum note in any of them

- groff’s transition from ep 1 to ep 10, physically, emotionally, is SO good. anna torv is magical and i love her forever

love it

kinda want to watch it again? #saddo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:37 (three months ago) Permalink

oh and holt mccallany was grizzled tv cop PERFECT

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:38 (three months ago) Permalink

3 eps to go here...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Veg said everything I was gonna say. Really enjoyed the hell out of this. The lead actors and the guys playing all the killers are all excellent.

I’m not hugely fascinated by serial killers themselves but I love the detecting and psychology angle so this was squarely in my wheelhouse. It felt like Zodiac: the Series in a lot of ways.

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 07:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Ha I obviously didn’t see the post st the top of the thread

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 07:58 (three months ago) Permalink

oh and holt mccallany was grizzled tv cop PERFECT

I'm only 2 eps in but man is it nice to see McCallany again. Lights Out was a fine little series.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 13:21 (three months ago) Permalink

don't think i've seen Groff play hetero before

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 October 2017 13:32 (three months ago) Permalink

that was a little weird at first, not gonna lie

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:12 (three months ago) Permalink

I've really hardened my heart against this because I'm not much of a fan of Fincher, serial killer fic and stuff where the FBI are the good guys. But I suspect from what I'm reading it will probably win me over and become a mucho guilty pleasure watch.

calzino, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:35 (three months ago) Permalink

how bloody/disturbing is this show

na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:42 (three months ago) Permalink

How violent/gory is this? The premise seems pretty bloodless, but are there reenactments or flashbacks or even just autopsies/ lots of photos?

ha xp

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:43 (three months ago) Permalink

ha weird

na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:45 (three months ago) Permalink

basically I want to watch this (loved Zodiac) but my partner is an automatic no on serial killer shit, and I'm squeamish enough myself these days to not necessarily want to spend 10 hours marinating in murder naturalism.

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:47 (three months ago) Permalink

99% of “gore” is crime scene photographs. there’s no dramatization of the murders themselves vis flashbacks or anything - the horrors are mostly communicated through conversation

there is one v shocking moment in ep1 that is quite gory but passes by v quickly

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:14 (three months ago) Permalink

It’s not very gory overall. There is a scene in the first episode with some brief gore but it’s not serial killer-related.

Apart from that it’s mostly just crime scene photos and graphic verbal descriptions of crimes.

*LOTS* of ookiness and creepy shit though.

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:16 (three months ago) Permalink

X-post

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:16 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah, and the crime scene photos are not lingered upon & are faintly colored or black & white
often by the time you realize what you are seeing it’s already off camera

def not for the faint hearted but nowhere near the gorefest you might expect

fincher himself has described the show as mainly being about conversations & that def bears out

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:17 (three months ago) Permalink

perfect, thanks!

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:34 (three months ago) Permalink

One of my favorite bits was the looks Anna Torv kept shooting at Groff during their first meeting when he'd interject. Close up as he writes in notebook: "BOOK?"

nomar, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:54 (three months ago) Permalink

enjoying this so far but Brandy is otm here

Fincher: this is Debbie, she's a real human woman
Me: lmaoooo oh for sure man

— BranDIE Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) October 15, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:00 (three months ago) Permalink

on put more simply Debbie is basically the Cool Girl from the Gone Girl rant

Otherwise this has been v enjoyable

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:04 (three months ago) Permalink

*quickly crosses off “looking for my Debbie (watch Mindhunter!!)” from my dating profile*

mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:33 (three months ago) Permalink

great we've established that this drama contains fictional characters

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 15 October 2017 21:56 (three months ago) Permalink

idk man some characters resemble types of people you find out there in the world, some are more like narrative devices with legs

mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:11 (three months ago) Permalink

Debbie’s introductory scenes are silly maybe but she didn’t strike me as unrealistic past that?

ryan, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:15 (three months ago) Permalink

I've been re-watching Fringe so it's mildly amusing to see Anna Torv play a Boston-based FBI consultant. Am glad she's getting regular work again too.

I'm about two-thirds in and this is pretty good! And despite the dour subject matter, it's genuinely funny at points - that one killer who couldn't stop crying, the seat-switching scene in the airplane, Holt McCallany in general.

Roz, Monday, 16 October 2017 01:50 (three months ago) Permalink

I don’t think Holden is power tripping as much as he’s convinced he’s unlocked something that will save all these people, including tickling victims. It’s a different kind of arrogance.

I wish there was more internal FBI politicking but of course I would. I did enjoy that we got basically one scene on the uselessness of Boston ivory tower types before the writers got bored and just had Wendy move to DC.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 November 2017 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah relationship trouble for the sake of relationship trouble just seems predicable.

calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Ten Years Gone? wtf

calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 23:46 (one month ago) Permalink

never heard LZ in a TV show and I hope I never will again

calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah relationship trouble for the sake of relationship trouble just seems predicable.

― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 20:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This holds true irl for about 90% of attempted relationships afaict

fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Sunday, 26 November 2017 10:42 (one month ago) Permalink

The LZ track is "In the Light"

glumdalclitch, Sunday, 26 November 2017 10:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I wish there was more internal FBI politicking but of course I would.

Try "Manhunt: Unabomber."

Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 26 November 2017 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink

yeaahhhh i mean you’re not wrong, but it’s also pretty corny.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 November 2017 18:45 (one month ago) Permalink

It is, but that show does a great job of communicating what you need hardass bureaucrats for (tactics, getting things done) and what their limitations are (strategy, getting the right things done). Mindhunter is the better show in every other respect.

Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 26 November 2017 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Surprised veggrrl has not commented on the fact that the writer of the show, who grew up in Australia (Adelaide), named his main character 'Holden Ford'.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 27 November 2017 01:13 (one month ago) Permalink

oh i made note of this on FB to my aussie friends, it seriously took me out of the first episode

it’s like naming your kid Coke Pepsi
PICK A SIDE

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 01:22 (one month ago) Permalink

maybe the writer really likes Hitchhiker’s Guide

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I keep forgetting to ask this! Does Hannah Gross (who plays Holden's gf Debbie) remind anyone of another actor? She does, to me, so very much! Is it Darlene from Roseanne (Sarah Gilbert)? Something in the mannerisms or facial expression or vocal tics or accent idk?

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink

not sure, but I only recently found out she's the daughter of paul gross and martha burns

Simon H., Monday, 4 December 2017 20:43 (one month ago) Permalink

She reminds me of Maggie Siff (from mad men and sons of anarchy) and Julianna Margulies.

omar little, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:49 (one month ago) Permalink

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1111968/?ref_=tt_cl_t1 was who she reminded me of, although it took me a while to place it

mh, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:49 (one month ago) Permalink

that is, Alexa Davalos who plays a lead role on amazon's Man in the High Castle show

mh, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Yep

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

she kinda reminds me of daria

Dic Space has been contacted for comment. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Spotted Tench dude as a two-bit villain foiled by Batman in Justice League.

Moodles, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:44 (one month ago) Permalink

She reminds me of Debra in Dexter but that might be the hair and the name

kinder, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:54 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah she def reminds me of Julia in Man in High Castle

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 December 2017 23:02 (one month ago) Permalink

I kept thinking “is that the same... wait, no. maybe?”

mh, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:50 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Love this show

Posts at the top of the thread about Debbie really wide of the mark (not sure if someone addressed this yet as I’m catching up on the thread but the connection between attitudes toward women of serial killers and non killlers is well illustrated ... and surely fincher, the director of “gone girl,” would be aware of the “cool girl” archetype? Lol)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 01:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Have to say, ep 8 is really weak with the tickling bs as is 9 with needless relationship drama. Netflix : just make the season 8 eps instead of 10 if you’ve run out of pertinent plot points.

― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 00:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

its not 'needless' the relationship drama is very much essential imo, though they haven't fully made the connection it creates a counterpoint to the continuum of male sexual violence imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 03:02 (one month ago) Permalink

i like the Debbie character, i agree on some of the criticisms of her character being wide of the mark. i actually love their first meeting a lot, i like the whole R-rated Bogie/Bacall banter in the bar.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:08 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i think she works as a way of underlining the way his work is affecting his personality, through his changes in behaviour towards her over time

i mean by the time they break up, even the way he looks at her let alone speaks to her, it’s like he’s gone dead inside, it’s so eerie

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think, like a lot of the shifts in relationships/behaviours throughout, it's handled pretty clumsily and in a this-needs-to-happen-now kind of way

But it was a lovely thing at the start

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yes plus i think his treatment of her is in line with his entire M.O. of being right the whole time and being caught up in his own analytical head.

i don't find her especially unrealistic tbh, not any moreso than anyone else on the show.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:18 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i know there’s a better way to put it but it’s like she’s the canary in the coalmine to know that he’s lost himself in his job

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think it works on the obvious level of him not spending as much time on his relationship as he does his work, but it’s also about how the work has made clear how complicated his relationship w her is; I think, he’s recognizing how much of the shit he’s dealing w at work is a logical extension of the beliefs of men generally in their relationships w women

maybe that’s not the intent but imo it’s the effect, and it’s what makes this about everything & not just some niche criminal interest

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:31 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i think her comment to Wendy that Holden isn't intimidated by being around smarter women and Wendy's reply that "men say that but rarely mean it" is an important moment and not a throwaway, and i think Debbie's response to *that* saying "He really does mean it" is misleading in the larger sense of the show, because Wendy's reply is essential to Holden and his relationship w/Debbie.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

also Holden's relationship w/Wendy herself too.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:38 (four weeks ago) Permalink

btw, Holt McCallany in Creepshow 2

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvncdJzeO1qedb29o1_500.gif

omar little, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

oh my god that rules

Simon H., Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

:D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I watched it a third time! I had something interesting to say about something but I forget what it was. The less interesting thing is how good the Speck scene was. A terrifying dude, and the entire rhythm and editing of that conversation combined with his manner of speaking was master class.

omar little, Saturday, 23 December 2017 03:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

totally agree

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 December 2017 04:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the show

https://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

not sure, but I only recently found out she's the daughter of paul gross and martha burns

Whaaaat

I found out a few years ago that Holt McCallany's mother was Julie Wilson!!!

Anyway, I just started watching this.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ok, dying that whoever painted Wendy's new apartment was obviously inspired by the Caldor logo.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 5 January 2018 01:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the show

https://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:08 AM (one week ago)

this is great so far - listening to the second episode now. is Criminal Minds worth watching?

Mordy, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:24 (one week ago) Permalink

the first 2 seasons with Mandy Patinkin were great ... Joe Mantegna joined s3 & there was quite a drop off dramatically for me personally. But it was still ok for a while

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:26 (one week ago) Permalink

"great" is a hell of a stretch

Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 02:28 (one week ago) Permalink

dude it’s an opinion i’m not speaking for society or all tv viewers everywhere

i really loved the first 2 seasons and *i* thought they were grear

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:54 (one week ago) Permalink

great

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:54 (one week ago) Permalink

it’s still inherently a network primetime drama so you kinda have to be ok with that to start with.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:55 (one week ago) Permalink

even entertaining might be enough tbph and I am fond of patinkin

Mordy, Friday, 12 January 2018 02:55 (one week ago) Permalink

and greg from dharma & greg is in it
also xander from buffy shows up later on
lotta good characters

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:58 (one week ago) Permalink


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