David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

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Zodiac: The Series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gZCfRD_zWE

Number None, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:50 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm down.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 19:06 (three months ago) Permalink

not familiar with much of the cast there except McCallany, who is pretty much always very good.

nomar, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:19 (three months ago) Permalink

jesus god every time I think I'm at critical mass of shows to watch, Netflix just heaps another stack on top

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:35 (three months ago) Permalink

new fincher show means they're finally starting phase 2 of netflix shows

qualx, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 06:59 (three months ago) Permalink

lol "already been renewed for season 2" is possibly the biggest pile of marketing bullshit ever

qualx, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 07:00 (three months ago) Permalink

finally, a look at the psychology of a serial killer

the shape of a hot willie lumpkin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 08:57 (three months ago) Permalink

This is apparently based on or heavily influenced by the Ressler and Douglas books, right?

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:12 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah it's an official adaptation

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:34 (three months ago) Permalink

but the characters are fictionalised I assume

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:34 (three months ago) Permalink

It's like MANHUNTER but in the MIND

Eazy, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:36 (three months ago) Permalink

I mean yeah the MIND OF A SERIAL KILLER stuff is sorta played out in the culture, but this isn't really that, or it is in a different kind of way. The beginning of real understanding of the pathologies that drove these guys, and the idea to interview the few in custody at the time, was extremely revolutionary in its day. I assume -- having read several books by both authors -- that that's what the series will concentrate on: the career risks and mental toll taken by these investigators by starting these projects.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 14:37 (three months ago) Permalink

I am a fan of Douglas (and of Douglas' mentor Robert Ressler who wrote Whoever Fights Monsters)

I actually met Douglas a few years back & got his autograph. He was pretty cool.

Looking forward to seeing this!!

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Jonathan Groff is gr8 too

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 15:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Wait this isn't parody?

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:00 (three months ago) Permalink

nope

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:29 (three months ago) Permalink

lol that's a bold choice of title if this isn't a zany spoof of Thomas Harris

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:31 (three months ago) Permalink

It is based on the book Mind Hunter: Inside FBI’s Elite Serial Crime Unit written by Mark Olshaker and John E. Douglas

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:36 (three months ago) Permalink

That clarification... does not affect the lol

it is still called MINDHUNTER

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:42 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm guessing this (not very good) British comedy is on nobody's radar

http://empireonline.media/jpg/70/0/0/640/480/aspectfit/0/0/0/0/0/0/c/articles/58c908747c5c5bdd3ca6791b/Mindhorn%20poster.jpeg

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:43 (three months ago) Permalink

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Harris never wrote anything called "Manhunter" anyway, Michael Mann did.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 16:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Harris's Jack Crawford character was partially based on Douglas, which is presumably why he semi-borrowed the title back off Mann for his book. It's a rich tapestry

Number None, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 17:27 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Available on Netflix from today, really looking forward to this.

nate woolls, Friday, 13 October 2017 07:53 (one month ago) Permalink

I'll reserve judgment until I finish the season but halfway in I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:24 (one month ago) Permalink

pvmic i just finshed binging the whole thing

omg so good

I HAVE THOUGHTS

- I was skeptical that having Groff as Douglas’s substitute would mean Douglas would aggrandize himself & his achievements bc that’s the way he is, but he does not come off well by the end & i really like that, that really put it over the top for me

- the slow burn of neuroses between the three of them is fantastic, because a job like that cant not eat away at the very fabric of yr “self”

- casting of all the criminal subjects was incredible, and the actors were a+. from kemper to speck, not a bum note in any of them

- groff’s transition from ep 1 to ep 10, physically, emotionally, is SO good. anna torv is magical and i love her forever

love it

kinda want to watch it again? #saddo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:37 (one month ago) Permalink

oh and holt mccallany was grizzled tv cop PERFECT

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:38 (one month ago) Permalink

3 eps to go here...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Veg said everything I was gonna say. Really enjoyed the hell out of this. The lead actors and the guys playing all the killers are all excellent.

I’m not hugely fascinated by serial killers themselves but I love the detecting and psychology angle so this was squarely in my wheelhouse. It felt like Zodiac: the Series in a lot of ways.

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 07:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Ha I obviously didn’t see the post st the top of the thread

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 07:58 (one month ago) Permalink

oh and holt mccallany was grizzled tv cop PERFECT

I'm only 2 eps in but man is it nice to see McCallany again. Lights Out was a fine little series.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 13:21 (one month ago) Permalink

don't think i've seen Groff play hetero before

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 October 2017 13:32 (one month ago) Permalink

that was a little weird at first, not gonna lie

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I've really hardened my heart against this because I'm not much of a fan of Fincher, serial killer fic and stuff where the FBI are the good guys. But I suspect from what I'm reading it will probably win me over and become a mucho guilty pleasure watch.

calzino, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:35 (one month ago) Permalink

how bloody/disturbing is this show

na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:42 (one month ago) Permalink

How violent/gory is this? The premise seems pretty bloodless, but are there reenactments or flashbacks or even just autopsies/ lots of photos?

ha xp

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:43 (one month ago) Permalink

ha weird

na (NA), Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:45 (one month ago) Permalink

basically I want to watch this (loved Zodiac) but my partner is an automatic no on serial killer shit, and I'm squeamish enough myself these days to not necessarily want to spend 10 hours marinating in murder naturalism.

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:47 (one month ago) Permalink

99% of “gore” is crime scene photographs. there’s no dramatization of the murders themselves vis flashbacks or anything - the horrors are mostly communicated through conversation

there is one v shocking moment in ep1 that is quite gory but passes by v quickly

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:14 (one month ago) Permalink

It’s not very gory overall. There is a scene in the first episode with some brief gore but it’s not serial killer-related.

Apart from that it’s mostly just crime scene photos and graphic verbal descriptions of crimes.

*LOTS* of ookiness and creepy shit though.

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:16 (one month ago) Permalink

X-post

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:16 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, and the crime scene photos are not lingered upon & are faintly colored or black & white
often by the time you realize what you are seeing it’s already off camera

def not for the faint hearted but nowhere near the gorefest you might expect

fincher himself has described the show as mainly being about conversations & that def bears out

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:17 (one month ago) Permalink

perfect, thanks!

rob, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:34 (one month ago) Permalink

One of my favorite bits was the looks Anna Torv kept shooting at Groff during their first meeting when he'd interject. Close up as he writes in notebook: "BOOK?"

nomar, Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:54 (one month ago) Permalink

enjoying this so far but Brandy is otm here

Fincher: this is Debbie, she's a real human woman
Me: lmaoooo oh for sure man

— BranDIE Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) October 15, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:00 (one month ago) Permalink

on put more simply Debbie is basically the Cool Girl from the Gone Girl rant

Otherwise this has been v enjoyable

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:04 (one month ago) Permalink

*quickly crosses off “looking for my Debbie (watch Mindhunter!!)” from my dating profile*

mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:33 (one month ago) Permalink

great we've established that this drama contains fictional characters

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 15 October 2017 21:56 (one month ago) Permalink

idk man some characters resemble types of people you find out there in the world, some are more like narrative devices with legs

mh, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:11 (one month ago) Permalink

Debbie’s introductory scenes are silly maybe but she didn’t strike me as unrealistic past that?

ryan, Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:15 (one month ago) Permalink

I've been re-watching Fringe so it's mildly amusing to see Anna Torv play a Boston-based FBI consultant. Am glad she's getting regular work again too.

I'm about two-thirds in and this is pretty good! And despite the dour subject matter, it's genuinely funny at points - that one killer who couldn't stop crying, the seat-switching scene in the airplane, Holt McCallany in general.

Roz, Monday, 16 October 2017 01:50 (one month ago) Permalink

booo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I love stuff like this

https://t.co/MU7U33DK05

— Rob Savage (@DirRobSavage) October 24, 2017

nate woolls, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

^ Breakdown reel showcasing David Fincher's invisible visual effects in the Netflix Original Series Mindhunter.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

huh, that's great - i did find myself wondering where they'd found so many pristine vintage tvs!

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cats are mimicking human babies when they do that


wat? show the research.

This seems like a particularly stupid just-s story given that cats will vocalize even if they’ve never encountered a human baby but hey I’m prepared to have my mind blown.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

my favorite Groff-ism

I CAN SEE THAT YOU’RE NAKED

I CAN SEE THAT YOU’RE .. cold

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i enjoy his comedic timing

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 04:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i keep thinking about the comment that one of the killers makes that the urge to kill is like the urge to sneeze - creepy as fuck and distressingly relatable

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 11:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cats mimick their own kitten vocalizations for life if they're raised by people, but afaik it has nothing to do with human babies. feral cats tend to not vocalize a lot.

mh, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 13:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cats mimick their own kitten vocalizations for life if they're raised by people, but afaik it has nothing to do with human babies. feral cats tend to not vocalize a lot.

― mh, Wednesday, October 25, 2017

no argument with that

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 26 October 2017 03:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we finally knocked out S1 so I'm ready for this thread

item #1: cmd-F "kristoff" 0 results; come on, nerds

El Tomboto, Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:20 (one week ago) Permalink

<3 kristoff

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:28 (one week ago) Permalink

^^^ dind ding

man that is A+

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Watching this again. The writing is fantastic, but the direction is even better.

I love the first meeting between Holden and Debbie meet in the bar, when both characters realize the other is smarter than they assumed. It gets very dense, moving quickly to a discussion of Durkheim's theory of labeling.

Sounds pretentious, right? But rather than submitting us to this directly, Fincher moves the conversation into a crowded bar, creating an excuse to use subtitles. This permits viewers to *read* the concepts and reflect on them, rather than *hear* them from actors and dismiss them on instinct.

I call that smart, functional directing.

it me, Monday, 13 November 2017 05:46 (five days ago) Permalink

i found the technical aspects of this show more enjoyable than the overall experience. i mean, i didn't know we'd have to wait til next year for the BTK thing to go anywhere. this is the first show i've watched in its entirety in a year and kinda wish i'd chosen something else, but i'm def a sucker for this thing.

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 05:58 (five days ago) Permalink

it will be a true crime if Jack Erdie doesn't win something for the Speck portrayal. just mesmerising.

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Monday, 13 November 2017 07:10 (five days ago) Permalink

i think if anyone wins anything it'll be Cameron Britton, and well-deserved too. but you're right about Jack Erdie.

probably because this is a fact-based show, they have a group of killers who are all very different in demeanor and reasoning and accessibility and levels of self-control, while managing to lay out a foundation of some vague common ground. it's refreshing to see an intelligent presentation of these types of people, i mean it goes without saying that the godlike omnipotent serial killer with a plan is such a tiresome cliche. even when dealing w/historical fact i think it would be easy to fall into the "i'm most dangerous when i'm caged" Hannibal Lecter BS but it never does except when it toys with it a bit at the end, when Holden has his panic attack while meeting Kemper.

i guess the best comparison to make with this show really is Zodiac, since so much of it revolves around interviews that are remarkably reminiscent of the Arthur Leigh Allen interview scene.

omar little, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:58 (four days ago) Permalink

are there funko pops for this yet? that's all i really want to know.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:11 (four days ago) Permalink

lol

yeah it def does a better job than most of these types of shows of not fetishizing the killers in that “ooh theyre such geniuses” way
like no actually when you scratch the surface they’re violent dudes who are fucked up & pathetic

i like the way it shows the origin of the language surrounding serial killers too, like ppl i think may take it for granted that it’s always been codified in this way when it’s actually only come about in the last few decades

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:42 (four days ago) Permalink

I guess we're at the beginning of the funkopopalyse right now and I feel that it's a bad sign for the consumer market

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:07 (four days ago) Permalink

after watching this i watched a couple of serial killer interviews on youtube and it's weird how mundane they are. the banality of evil and all that. was surprised by how lucid and articulate ted bundy was though. he knew exactly why he had done what he did. it was like listening to a psychiatrist talk about someone else.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:11 (four days ago) Permalink

that's the part that's most chilling to me. some people just become emotionally numb but carry this weight after they've killed someone or done something grave, but the interviews they dramatized (and some of the source material) have these matter of fact recitations as if they're talking about going to the store because they ran out of milk

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:14 (four days ago) Permalink

But remember that that is performative. That’s not their “true self”. They both just wear a series of masks. Bundy & Kemper are keenly aware of how they should speak about these acts & know that subverting that not only makes ppl react, but it gives them more attention

If they perform well enough at being “like us”, they’ll go over bcz it weirds people out and intrigues them. And they super, duper did.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:45 (four days ago) Permalink

i garbled that last part but u get the drift

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:45 (four days ago) Permalink

it’s more chilling when you realize how ~studied~ their act of being lucid & articulate really is

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:46 (four days ago) Permalink

it was a weird feeling watching the kemper interview and getting legit emotional at the part his mom says "i suppose you'll want to talk all night?"

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:49 (four days ago) Permalink

aaaaaand then i remembered the um, neck thing

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:51 (four days ago) Permalink

is the "true self" any more caring or even more lizardlike

or just a pure id ragemonster

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 20:58 (four days ago) Permalink

i watched some of the real kemper on youtube. that weird feeling that they were just really pretty boring people except for the whole killing thing...

like, they do kinda remind me of people who come in the store and go on and on about boring stuff until i feel like i'm going to fall over. men who like to talk and hypnotize you with stories of that amplifier they owned in the 70's. sometimes i wish they would just kill me...

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:00 (four days ago) Permalink

I both hate myself for wondering and it's gross even being interested in it beyond the analytical thought of what makes people tick! I'm not an expert or hunting killers, so there's no practical reason for me to know, so it's all gawking (at the expense of victims) and intrigue about murder. The cops who are like "I don't care how they tick, I want to know how to stop them" are very relatable

on the other hand I love the Hannibal tv series and revel in his horribleness

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:01 (four days ago) Permalink

so to sum it up, I'm sure I'll look good wearing your skins, ttyl

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:01 (four days ago) Permalink

tbh i dont think there is a true self... it’s just layers of masks

yeah i stand on both sides of the fence too even though i sound ghoulishly invested

i would much rather these violent sexual predators not take up space in jail when there is zero chance of rehabiliatuon of any kind & at a certain point “study” just serves their ego

but i am also not a big fan of capital punishment so

idk

i kinda stan for putting them all on a trash island together in the middle of the ocean & let them lord of the flies it up with no outside attention until they all die/murder each other/eat each other etc

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:26 (four days ago) Permalink

I think they're among the few people that actually belong imprisoned for life, this is one of the few reasons we would ever actually need prisons

mh, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:29 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah maybe

idk

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:33 (four days ago) Permalink

still

trash island is v appealing

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 22:34 (four days ago) Permalink

lolol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 00:29 (three days ago) Permalink

the second meeting w/Kemper, he does this thing that i just noticed but is very quietly chilling.

it's a throwaway/not throwaway shot. they're talking and he stands up and walks over to demonstrate something regarding his thoughts on, uh, neck muscles, and after Kemper does it he walks back to his side of the table and as he's sitting, shoots a quick glance over at the guard who's hanging out in the next room, and even though he's in the background and out of focus you can see the guard is turned with his back to them. it's just a quick hit of Kemper pushing the envelope a bit and getting his kicks in.

omar little, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 06:19 (three days ago) Permalink

Loving all the bridges

fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 23:03 (yesterday) Permalink

Why does the actor playing Holden have to be so naive and childlike? Both at work and in his relationship.

calstars, Friday, 17 November 2017 23:08 (yesterday) Permalink

He’s like a deer in headlights

calstars, Friday, 17 November 2017 23:08 (yesterday) Permalink

Maybe that's just what he's like irl

fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Friday, 17 November 2017 23:09 (yesterday) Permalink

he is!

jonathan groff is a beautiful angel so thats p much how he is 24/7

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 November 2017 00:51 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

He needs a true ILX pua to coach him

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 November 2017 00:58 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

What’s a pua?

calstars, Saturday, 18 November 2017 01:11 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

Pick up artist? his character on Looking could have used one

Dan S, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:39 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

obvious point but i think they're definitely toying w/the idea that Holden has a disconnect from most people but finds a connection w/some of these killers. which is why i loved Anna Torv's quick reaction shot glances at him in their first meeting, she was kind of figuring him out a bit from the start. even their first first meeting: "Cold season."

omar little, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:43 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

I just wanted to say I really like Jonathan Groff. His character on Looking is the reason why. And it's because of him that I've started watching Mindhunter

Dan S, Saturday, 18 November 2017 03:33 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

is he *ever* shown without a suit? I remember him taking off shirt once (when he couldn't have sex) but that's it. odd conceit

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 November 2017 03:35 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink


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