Veronica Mars eats brains, has visions, solves crimes: an iZombie thread

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I didn't realize how much I missed watching a plucky blonde solving mysteries!

It kept showing up in my Netflix suggestions, but the iffy makeup on Liv made this seem like a lesser straight-to-Netflix series, rather than another limping critic-pleasing CW underperformer.

I'm only a few episodes in, but I'm hoping that the Mysteries of the Week tighten up -- they feel like they're killing time until the season arc starts going.

Also, it took me a long second to realize that the opening credits were drawn by Mike Allred.

Also also Rose McIver does a pretty mean moonwalk -- in heels, no less!

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:33 (two years ago) link

You're in for a treat, the show gets better and better (at least through the end of season two, I haven't watched three yet).

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:33 (two years ago) link

Yay!

Forgot to mention that Ravi has been the secret star and is awesome.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 05:07 (two years ago) link

It's straight-up the best thing on Netflix. It looked so silly I was put off watching it for months but went through seasons one and two in a few days.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 16 July 2017 06:34 (two years ago) link

I reaaalllly wanted to like this but I had to peace out near the end of S1. I found the universe and especially the zombie baddie not terribly compelling. It gets better, you say?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 16 July 2017 06:46 (two years ago) link

So far it's shined when it's heavier!

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:15 (two years ago) link

I loved Veronica Mars. Will try this.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:18 (two years ago) link

The main character is pretty much Veronica Mars.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:42 (two years ago) link

I reaaalllly wanted to like this but I had to peace out near the end of S1. I found the universe and especially the zombie baddie not terribly compelling. It gets better, you say?

I see how the Big Bad isn't that interesting, but I what I'm getting more from is the emoing from the protagonists, which sounds terrible but my tastes may be terrible.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:57 (two years ago) link

My gf's niece stayed over this weekend and watched this for hours on end. Which is the first I'd seen of it. So this thread suddenly popping up is a bit eerie. Did this, like, just pop up on Netflix or something?

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:39 (two years ago) link

I gather the first two seasons have been available for a while (I did see it on my feed), and the third just got added which is probably why it's on the radar again.

As for me, I'd just run out of things on Netflix to watch and was surprised to see that it was a 97% match for me.

PS I'm your girlfriend's niece.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:45 (two years ago) link

Cool, hope the pizza and brownies were up to snuff.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 01:19 (two years ago) link

I was watching this at broadcast pace and the latest season was a real slog in places. Gets really bogged down in the 4 (5, maybe) giant slow moving plot arcs.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Monday, 17 July 2017 08:46 (two years ago) link

i started watching this on netflix last night, it's so good! feels very slept on.

akm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 12:29 (two years ago) link

Boy, season 2 is heading in a place I didn't expect it to go.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 16:36 (two years ago) link

Cute VM reference in the dialogue in season 2.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Thursday, 20 July 2017 18:05 (two years ago) link

This show was written to be binged-watched, grrr.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:08 (two years ago) link

Oy, the end of the Rick Fox episode!

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Friday, 21 July 2017 17:16 (two years ago) link

Based on the pilot, this is my new favourite show. Fiancée will be jealous.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 July 2017 14:05 (two years ago) link

I can understand aldo's complaints about the pace being a slog, and I'm only nearing the end of season 2. I think I'd prefer if the show had fewer mysteries of the week and have more episodes center directly on the grand arc.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:50 (two years ago) link

Loving this so far, and three eps into S2 they've used two songs from 1985. When "All You Zombies" started I thought, ok, that's a little on-the-nose, but weirdly, it worked. Ditto "Voices Carry."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 29 July 2017 14:04 (two years ago) link

There's an incredibly beautiful episode early in season 3.

BTW never would've guessed that Rose McIver is a Kiwi.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:40 (two years ago) link

Hmm, not sure about how season 3 ends.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:53 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm about 15 eps into s2 now and this is great. The music references are ubiquitous. One thing that's interesting to me is that they've put a new twist on the old trope of the elitist classical music-loving arch-villain. Blaine does appreciate his Brahms and Debussy (on LP, no less) but he is no less passionate about Kurt Cobain, Elvis Costello, Les Misérables, or Procol Harum: he has the eclectic voraciousness of an ilxor. Perhaps this is the new conception of what an intimidating snob is like in the postmodern era?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:26 (two years ago) link

wait til you get to the (now out of date) emp reference

maura, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:06 (two years ago) link

It would be so much butter if they just got rid of Blaine and made it a straight procedural. Someone's killed, eat brains, change character, catch bad guy. The arcs are terrible.

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:17 (two years ago) link

Blaine is my favourite part (although I'm not sure what I think of this new direction he's going in from s2e16)! I don't really think the 'weekly' mysteries are strong enough to sustain the show on their own, especially compared to the well-crafted mystery stories in VM: they are usually just resolved via some kind of deus ex machina mechanism (usually in Liv's visions), which would get old for me without the longer arcs.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:53 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

fun show, I too wrote it off initially because of the shitty-looking Netflix thumbnail.

am about halfway through season 2 now - Rose McIver is really great at pulling off all the different personality changes. not into the whole Liv-Major thing though, feels like Veronica and Duncan all over again (the dude who plays Major is miles better than the one who plays Duncan, but still...).

does VegGrrrl watch this show? I feel like she should.

Roz, Monday, 11 September 2017 08:48 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

Season 4!!!

Starts with a bang, looking forward to the rest

Go Hawks!

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 04:38 (one year ago) link

Tbh, I loved the first two seasons but the storylines had grown so convoluted (at least for me) in s3 that I struggled to even keep it all straight by the time s4e1 came around. I did rewatch a lot of s1 recently and remembered how much I liked it, though.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 04:43 (one year ago) link

S4 started fairly weakly imo but picked up well a few episodes in. Not sure there will be a season 5.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 05:10 (one year ago) link

Yeah, it wasn’t great, it really picked up again. I still love it.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:53 (one year ago) link

I started watching this and realized I have no clue how season 3 ended and current zombie status of everyone.

Yerac, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:59 (one year ago) link

Basically

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

I do love the cast though.

Yerac, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:04 (one year ago) link

yeah we had to struggle to remember who was zombie and who wasn't, the whole switching people's status back and forth with the vaccine thing in S2/S3 didn't help

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:37 (one year ago) link

this season wound up GREAT. It got renewed for its last season too. Excited to see things get wound up - feel like that'll help with loose ends.

maura, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:02 (one year ago) link

There's an incredibly beautiful episode early in season 3.

Does anyone have any idea which episode I was talking about here?

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:16 (one year ago) link

Also, yay! Didn't expect season 4 to reach Netflix so quickly.

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:18 (one year ago) link

I'm still not totally clear on what's going on with all the storylines and who's a zombie but Liv being a hockey goon with an April Wine soundtrack = I'm still on board for now.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

I just re-read the episodes summaries from season three to clear up what the zombie status of everyone. I must have missed Ravi only being a zombie a couple of days out of the month.

Yerac, Monday, 11 June 2018 20:33 (one year ago) link

IIRC he decided to test his zombie vax on himself right at the end of season 3.

The first two episodes have been dud. :\

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Monday, 11 June 2018 20:41 (one year ago) link

It is quite similar to X Files, in that the more it focuses on a central narrative arc the less interesting it is, but it gets dopey and fun again quite quickly.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 11 June 2018 21:31 (one year ago) link

**SPOILERS**

Reading the episode summaries exhausts me tbh (and, actually, I'd seen the first four eps of s4 when Netflix Canada had them up a while ago so it all blended together). Is Wikipedia or the iZombie wiki better? I try both. If I'm following: Ravi wanted to test his most recent zombie vaccine and asked Liv to scratch him, which results in him becoming zombie-like for brief periods. Liv had scratched Major in s1 or s2, then he was treated with an earlier version of the zombie cure, which caused the side effect of temporary amnesia and also only worked temporarily. This was also applied to Blaine. Was there a version of the cure in between those two? Now we have New Seattle, which is a walled all-zombie enclave run as a military dictatorship by the Fillmore-Graves corporation, and regular Seattle, which is still human-dominated, and run as a quasi-democracy. Fillmore-Graves is also responsible for feeding these zombies, with rations that are increasingly strained - and I don't exactly recall where these are coming from. But there are anti-zombie terrorists, who Fillmore-Graves fight with. Coyotes like Renegade help humans reconnect with their zombie loved ones within the walled city, sometimes by scratching them. Fillmore Graves really doesn't want new zombies, though, because it's hard enough to feed the existing population. Dale Bozzio is a zombie, for a reason that I don't remember, and so she and Clive have an open relationship where they satisfy their sexual needs outside their partnership. Blaine's role is that F-G looks the other way while he runs his covert high-end brains distribution operation and nightclub in exchange for his services with killing anyone F-G wants taken out? I think Max Rager is basically over now? And now Liz is, for some reason, taking over Renegade's old role as a coyote after she was guillotined.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 00:18 (one year ago) link

+ there's Angus's bizarre cult

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

I think the brains Filmore-Graves rations come from bequeathed corpses? Like organ donations. I'm not sure if that could account for the numbers.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 03:30 (one year ago) link

Bozzio being a zombie seems totally random.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link

Honestly, all this stuff seems distant from the qualities that drew me to the show in the first place.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:37 (one year ago) link

lol I just got why the fancy restaurant is called "Romero's"

sleeve, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:52 (one year ago) link

The rom com brain episodes really drew me back in.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:18 (one year ago) link

I think it's more interesting to make Chase Graves a little more like an average dude who's trying to deal with a crazy situation from an unprecedented position of power.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 15 June 2018 21:16 (one year ago) link

I guess I agree with that in theory, but everything in season 4 has been a little overloaded with plot and side characters so there hasn't really been any time or space to really delve into that. So in the end there's this kind of boring guy who is a major fulcrum of activity, and not enough time to flesh out his dilemmas because we have to see blaine's new crying assistant and the smuggling network guy with the pregnant fiance and so on.

intheblanks, Friday, 15 June 2018 22:16 (one year ago) link

Yeah, the overloading with plot and side characters is what I take issue with.

Also, I honestly just don't sympathize very much with Liv's passion for human smuggling and zombification.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 June 2018 00:04 (one year ago) link

On the whole, it doesn't even seem like a right thing to do, on top of the dangerousness of it. I expect they're going to dig into that.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 June 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

OMG Major on the pro rassler brains!

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Saturday, 16 June 2018 20:50 (one year ago) link

So the hockey goon episode, did I miss something about Don E and Major abducting a girl? It wasn't set up in any of the previous episodes, was it?

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Sunday, 17 June 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

Ha, I wondered that too. It does get explained eventually but the writing was weird.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 17 June 2018 18:34 (one year ago) link

I found ep 11 pretty affecting.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 17 June 2018 18:34 (one year ago) link

yeah we just finished that one, handled very well

also holy fuck at the riled up zombie mob

sleeve, Sunday, 17 June 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link

Finished this season last night. So good.

Yerac, Sunday, 17 June 2018 19:00 (one year ago) link

Wow, I was surprised by how strongly this season finished.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 21 June 2018 02:15 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

final season starts tonight!

maura, Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:06 (five months ago) link

!!!!

I didn't think there'd be another - that's great news.

ShariVari, Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:13 (five months ago) link

For Yanks who watch on NF:

Season 5 begins airing on The CW on May 2nd, 2019 and will be due to wrap up on at the end of July 2019. Netflix then gets new The CW shows around a week after the finale airs. The show will then likely be available on Netflix in either late July or early August 2019.

Source (also includes CA and UK schedules): https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/izombie-season-5-netflix-release-schedule-2019/

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Thursday, 2 May 2019 23:25 (five months ago) link

Dear Britain,

I can confirm that @NetflixUK has made the first episode of season 5 of #iZOMBiE available to watch NOW. Directed by the wonderful @danetheridge and written by the equally wonderful @RobThomas, the brain this week is a little gift to you... 🇬🇧 pic.twitter.com/8nPvKzqEmD

— Rahul Kohli (@RahulKohli13) May 3, 2019

maura, Friday, 3 May 2019 13:16 (five months ago) link

Oh yeah, it's available in Canada too. I guess we're on the Brit schedule.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:06 (five months ago) link

I honestly don't remember everything that happened in the last season. I did start rewatching some of s1.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:07 (five months ago) link

There was zombie trafficking and she became princess of Aldovia.

Yerac, Friday, 3 May 2019 14:10 (five months ago) link

Thx

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:27 (five months ago) link

Awesome, psyched

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 3 May 2019 19:20 (five months ago) link

A totally-not-unbearable performance from Rahul Kohli to ease us into the new season.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:09 (five months ago) link

Hm, I think I agree with a lot of this: https://tv.avclub.com/izombie-returns-for-its-final-season-not-with-a-figura-1834491839 . I liked this as a funny show about a hot zombie detective solving cases of the week; I don't know that it was ever built to support the large-scale story arcs and themes that seem to be consuming it now. (Admittedly, I'm also just bad at keeping up with those things, which is an obstacle for me with most sci-fi and fantasy; I struggle to even remember who e.g. Thumb Breaker Barnes was or why Blaine has an assistant who cries uncontrollably, let alone all of the details of the current political organization of Zombie Seattle). The whole zombification/smuggling crusade seems like a terrible idea to begin with so I have trouble sympathizing with any of it.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:55 (five months ago) link

why Blaine has an assistant who cries uncontrollably

It's a glandular problem.

Anyway, I was not as impressed with the last season for the reasons you mention. Rob Thomas is good at writing personal melodrama, not so much at writing about Issues (see the feminist stuff in VM).

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Sunday, 5 May 2019 19:14 (five months ago) link

yeah, I am not even going to try to remember what the overly complicated storylines were supposed to be anymore.

Yerac, Sunday, 5 May 2019 20:46 (five months ago) link

First ep was a clunker, all told, but like everybody else I don't care about the story arc and just wanted it to be police-procedural-on-brains-of-the-week.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Monday, 6 May 2019 16:44 (five months ago) link

X-Files had a similar dynamic, mytharc episodes became tiresome and hard to follow but monster-of-the-week episodes could still knock it out of the park

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 6 May 2019 16:47 (five months ago) link

I'm guessing those storylines are fun to write or something, because they're usually a chore to watch

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 6 May 2019 16:47 (five months ago) link

That was the first time I bailed on an episode.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 May 2019 03:39 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

S5e3 was a bit of an improvement, with a renewed focus on the murder and brains of the week and great scenes of McIver dancing. (Liv had to eat the brains of a competitive dancer.) I still can't get much into all the Fillmore Graves/Renegade/walled Seattle/humans vs zombie malarkey but that stuff doesn't take over the whole episode like it seemed to with the first two episodes. (Funny to reread the thread and see myself defending the longer story arcs in the first two seasons: I did like the Blaine storyline at that point and the Max Rager stuff.)

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 04:23 (four months ago) link

S5E4 another crapfest though. The series is going to whimper out.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 07:12 (four months ago) link

This episode was good!

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:23 (four months ago) link

E5 was! At least it's clear now that the writers did think that this whole Blaine-run system was madness, although we had to sit through a lot before getting here. Maybe the next twist will be a revelation that being a zombie is not necessarily a good thing after all.

Wtf with John Tracy's French accent btw?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 03:42 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I meant ep 5.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 07:53 (four months ago) link

Revelation about Al in e6 was p disappointing.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 01:43 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

So I guess that's that then. A good series on the whole, even if the last season was spotty.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 4 August 2019 06:23 (two months ago) link

Is the last episode not out in the US yet?

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 10:28 (two months ago) link

We're on the UK schedule in Canada. I still haven't finished e12; wasn't getting that excited about this whole break-in story.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:10 (two months ago) link

It aired last week in the US. Definitely a spotty season, and way too confusing. But I was impressed that they managed to find a not-clumsy way to tie up the loose ends in the final episode.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:42 (two months ago) link

sund4r, I dunno where you're watching the show, but Netflix uses (or used, I guess) the regular American schedule.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:48 (two months ago) link

*by where, I mean like which channel, I know you're in Canada obv

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:49 (two months ago) link

Netflix is different in the US and Canada.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:03 (two months ago) link

I used to cross the border regularly and my Netflix offerings would change each time.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:03 (two months ago) link

Finale was solid.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2019 02:48 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Rewatching this: it’s jarring to watch Major watching ‘how do guns work’ YouTube videos in light of who he became.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Thursday, 29 August 2019 12:48 (one month ago) link

I'm 3 eps into the latest season, I know folks have already mentioned Kareem's cameo in the Veronica Mars thread, but I still did a double-take when his name showed up in the credits and again in his scene.

Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:17 (one month ago) link

It's a shame that the dance episode focuses more on Ravi, because IIRC Rose McIver actually has a dance background and what we see her do is fairly creditable! Unfortunately, the actors playing the two male dancers probably aren't real dancers. (We do at least get some ringers in during that one demo.)

Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:28 (one month ago) link

That is the worst hair piece I've ever seen.

Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Sunday, 15 September 2019 22:26 (one month ago) link

The drag episode is such a letdown! The queens didn't have proper makeup, Liv was channeling Katherine Hepburn more than Joan Crawford, etc. But then I guess that whoever wrote the episode does watch Unnhh or however it's spelled.

Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:22 (one month ago) link

OK I watched the penultimate episode and it was remarkably good! Love some heist action even if it's a little underdeveloped. (Speaking of underdeveloped the BOB story line kind of fizzles anticlimactically, doesn't it?)

Doctor Hu (Leee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:24 (one month ago) link


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