Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

because episode 8, more than any other until 18, felt like it could have been totally Lynch solo.

saw a halloween Diane in the street last night, considered taking a photo for this thread, decided I couldn't be bothered figuring out what Photobucket has changed about 3ph

mark frost doesn't "know" anything about the bug girl that's not in the text, because the bug girl doesn't exist outside of the text.

the proboscis of evil appearing behind sarah's face doesn't mean she was the bug girl. i read it as being about trauma turning her into a carrier or host for evil, represented by a recurring image the audience has been trained to associate with destruction, negation, chaos, fission. leland abusing+killing laura was the bug crawling into sarah. maybe the bug also crawled into her when she was a little girl, in the form of an actual bug actually crawling into her. maybe the bug crawls into all of us because adulthood is corruption, idk! but what would it even mean that the girl was sarah? the themes developed in the nuclear-test section of ep 8 are extremely stark and vivid (if still mysterious) and are already tied thematically to the "main" "plot" of the rest of the show. why bother tying them to it literally? why go to the trouble?

this show was good btw.

(i realize that frost's books supposedly expand the text but i have arbitrarily ruled this invalid.)

death of the author (which is Lynch and not his co-writer)

lynch doesn't know anything either

the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents, but she eventually escaped from her path via Cooper. the influence was too strong, she disappears, the timeline alters

the book mentions Tammy reading past newspapers and interviewing Twin Peaks residents and realizing Cooper came to investigate Laura’s disappearance, not murder, and nothing is ever clear

the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents

see that's cool but feel like it's cool to the extent that it's a metaphor and to the extent that it's a metaphor it was already there. less aggro-academically than the above posts what i rly think is that lynch+frost together did a rly good job of deciding what to put in their tv show.

tbh Frost never said that, either

just that her mom was the bug lady, and pick yr texts

by “further” I meant extrapolation from the show and Frost’s book

imo it’s all original sin and we’re the fusion

Frost’s new book is great soap opera and that’s about it! I don’t think I gleamed anything deep that wasn’t implied

the random “what as with the cockney guy” sidebar, never expanded upon, was a hilarious lack of explanation. some things just happen.

not going to go with the “Lynch doesn’t know anything either” version, though, because there is some authorial Intent there that you can discard for critical theory, and all interpretations are valid. BUT to say all do the creators have had no say in what their work means, especially when it’s delivered as a television drama and not a tablet from god or what have you, is pretty silly

In the book's account of the scene at the sheriff's station, BOB just floats up and disappears. No mention of Freddie smashing him. I'd like to know how late Lynch threw that in the show and would love to believe he didn't even tell Frost until after it was shot and in the can.

Did the Freddie character exist solely because Lynch was so enchanted by his wacky accents YouTube video?

i'm sort of glad the books exist if only bc they nearly confirm the lynch/frost binary

last one is the winnah imo

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kate flipped out that she made it in!

She won!

hahahaha holy shit OF COURSE she did

it's Telluride 2011 all over again

kyle MacLachlan has slid into Kate's DMs!!!!!

wow

Woooooot!

While she has him on the line...

hellooooOOooOoo kate

what was the prize?

we haven't heard yet

you get to meet the jumping man

it's a green formica table.

*throws out current kitchen table*
send it over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUkl0luOEs

slaps

awesome

AMA with Mark Frost starts in 10mins (10am PST/1pm EST):

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/

Apparently in a recent interview he was asked about the possibility of more and said "no comment" - surprised at how much ppl involved are hinting at a continuation

From what I've seen on twitter the ama is mostly short, boring answers to every last question asked by people who hate having to use their imagination. They should retitle the thread "the final dossier vol 2"

I'm diving into the last 3 episodes tomorrow. Can't wait, eps 14 & 15 have been amazing.

Oh man 16-18 is a trip

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

has a couple of kind of knowing winks that were fun too ('i won't bore you' with the details of the evelyn marsh story; a roll of the eyes as 'the cockney with the green glove')

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

very very otm

yeah i regret pre-ordering it, the book has been sitting on my shelf since i got it because everyone i know that read it said it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show

I think of Frost / Lynch the same way as Clarke / Kubrick for 2001. The writer feels he has the definitive take on the narrative and thematic content, but the director's work far surpasses it in terms of meaning and resonance.

Palahniuk/Fincher

lol sorry, couldn't resist

Kinda don't understand why you guys are so disappointed that the Frost book is apparently exactly what everyone expected it to be.

it is and isn't?

the first was this fake esoteric document, government redacted affair. the capstone final dossier book is gossipy narration in the style of the margin notes of the first, with very few asides

I guess I should keep my trap shut until I actually read the thing (just got it in the mail yesterday, immediately flipped open to the autopsy report of a character whose fate had been left ambiguous, kinda get what you guys are talking about).

For all its faults the secret history was clearly a labour of love, frost pulling in all sorts of hobbyhorses & telling the story he wanted to tell (nobody was clamouring for the exploits of Doug Milford), filling the book with little puzzles; the final dossier is so obviously tossed-off in comparison, a dutiful half-arsed tying up of loose ends. The contents page may as well be a checklist. Had to lol at frost RTing all the ppl who were like "I devoured the book in one sitting!" as if it isn't like 50 pages long and as substantial as a Rice Krispie.

It's insultingly low-energy for the price - a large percentage of the very low page count is black pages & as I said above the experience of reading it is often about the same as reading his Reddit ama. A stupid amount of space is given over to a torturous attempt to explain away some of the continuity fuckups of the first book, like the different names & backstories of annie & Norma; funny thing is if he'd just left it a lot of ppl would have assumed he was doing something much cleverer & more interesting than he was! Bending over backwards to find a mundane (if very very dumb) explanation is essentially an admission that he fucked up & is trying to fix it (a lot of the apologia for the 2nd season reads like this as well). It's actually a good illustration of how twin peaks is best when it works against this impulse to make everything fit. Another major eyeroll is TP saying of Audrey "I think I heard she might be in a mental institution or something" - remember that lynch wrote all of that plotline by himself so this is frost having to figure out what's going on like the rest of us, and his best guess is literally as good as anyone's. Charlie is her accountant, yep, good one dude, keep the mystery alive lol

There is some stuff I like: jerry's forest speakers are the kind of fun little detail that I could see being done in the series, and I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

I enjoyed it. It's an hour read, not worth the money, but when it comes down in price it's worth it. As for it's effects, I find this idea of the 'canon' very odd. You're free to accept it or not.

Canon schmanon! I like that there are all these different versions of twin peaks that openly contradict each other, I just think this latest version is particularly dull and I'm happy to dismiss it out of hand. It's just v nothingy; pure bathos, no magic. A couple of nice passages but for the most part Tammy's disquisitions are as bland as her reportage - the most the book approaches being fun are the couple of times he slips into the voice of a character who actually has one (log lady, Albert).