Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

i'm sort of glad the books exist if only bc they nearly confirm the lynch/frost binary

well said

i mean ... not to diminish mark frost's role but does he actually even know who the bug girl is?

he keeps claiming to, but anyone really?

Sarah takes off her face and the bug's pointy nose sticks out, we're meant to conclude it.

that part where she asked “would you like to meet the bug?” might have been a tip-off

Sarah takes off her face and the bug's pointy nose sticks out, we're meant to conclude it.

there were a few discussions way upthread about the DIY quality of the special effects and if they were "bad" or not. in general i liked the way they used sfx but this might have been a scene where a slightly more realistic effect might have made that clear

i mean ... not to diminish mark frost's role but does he actually even know who the bug girl is?

― na (NA), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 19:30

he keeps claiming to, but anyone really?

― mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 20:50

Why so sceptical? Who knows how many of these were his ideas?

because episode 8, more than any other until 18, felt like it could have been totally Lynch solo.

saw a halloween Diane in the street last night, considered taking a photo for this thread, decided I couldn't be bothered figuring out what Photobucket has changed about 3ph

mark frost doesn't "know" anything about the bug girl that's not in the text, because the bug girl doesn't exist outside of the text.

the proboscis of evil appearing behind sarah's face doesn't mean she was the bug girl. i read it as being about trauma turning her into a carrier or host for evil, represented by a recurring image the audience has been trained to associate with destruction, negation, chaos, fission. leland abusing+killing laura was the bug crawling into sarah. maybe the bug also crawled into her when she was a little girl, in the form of an actual bug actually crawling into her. maybe the bug crawls into all of us because adulthood is corruption, idk! but what would it even mean that the girl was sarah? the themes developed in the nuclear-test section of ep 8 are extremely stark and vivid (if still mysterious) and are already tied thematically to the "main" "plot" of the rest of the show. why bother tying them to it literally? why go to the trouble?

this show was good btw.

(i realize that frost's books supposedly expand the text but i have arbitrarily ruled this invalid.)

death of the author (which is Lynch and not his co-writer)

lynch doesn't know anything either

the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents, but she eventually escaped from her path via Cooper. the influence was too strong, she disappears, the timeline alters

the book mentions Tammy reading past newspapers and interviewing Twin Peaks residents and realizing Cooper came to investigate Laura’s disappearance, not murder, and nothing is ever clear

the further-text version is that Laura was extra messed up because her existence was a fusion of the entities in both her parents

see that's cool but feel like it's cool to the extent that it's a metaphor and to the extent that it's a metaphor it was already there. less aggro-academically than the above posts what i rly think is that lynch+frost together did a rly good job of deciding what to put in their tv show.

tbh Frost never said that, either

just that her mom was the bug lady, and pick yr texts

by “further” I meant extrapolation from the show and Frost’s book

imo it’s all original sin and we’re the fusion

Frost’s new book is great soap opera and that’s about it! I don’t think I gleamed anything deep that wasn’t implied

the random “what as with the cockney guy” sidebar, never expanded upon, was a hilarious lack of explanation. some things just happen.

not going to go with the “Lynch doesn’t know anything either” version, though, because there is some authorial Intent there that you can discard for critical theory, and all interpretations are valid. BUT to say all do the creators have had no say in what their work means, especially when it’s delivered as a television drama and not a tablet from god or what have you, is pretty silly

In the book's account of the scene at the sheriff's station, BOB just floats up and disappears. No mention of Freddie smashing him. I'd like to know how late Lynch threw that in the show and would love to believe he didn't even tell Frost until after it was shot and in the can.

Did the Freddie character exist solely because Lynch was so enchanted by his wacky accents YouTube video?

i'm sort of glad the books exist if only bc they nearly confirm the lynch/frost binary

last one is the winnah imo

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— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) November 2, 2017

kate flipped out that she made it in!

She won!

hahahaha holy shit OF COURSE she did

it's Telluride 2011 all over again

kyle MacLachlan has slid into Kate's DMs!!!!!

wow

Woooooot!

While she has him on the line...

hellooooOOooOoo kate

what was the prize?

we haven't heard yet

you get to meet the jumping man

it's a green formica table.

*throws out current kitchen table*
send it over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUkl0luOEs

slaps

awesome

AMA with Mark Frost starts in 10mins (10am PST/1pm EST):

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/

Apparently in a recent interview he was asked about the possibility of more and said "no comment" - surprised at how much ppl involved are hinting at a continuation

From what I've seen on twitter the ama is mostly short, boring answers to every last question asked by people who hate having to use their imagination. They should retitle the thread "the final dossier vol 2"

I'm diving into the last 3 episodes tomorrow. Can't wait, eps 14 & 15 have been amazing.

Oh man 16-18 is a trip

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

has a couple of kind of knowing winks that were fun too ('i won't bore you' with the details of the evelyn marsh story; a roll of the eyes as 'the cockney with the green glove')

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

very very otm

yeah i regret pre-ordering it, the book has been sitting on my shelf since i got it because everyone i know that read it said it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show