Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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Halfway through. This should take us to the bittersweet end.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:31 (four months ago) Permalink

SOILER

BOB is a cylon

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (four months ago) Permalink

That you can only see if you're high on the drugs.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (four months ago) Permalink

What are you talking about, there are no drugs in this season, just a couple of alcoholics

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:38 (four months ago) Permalink

Few can see him: the gifted... and the daaaaamn dude how much did you take?

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:41 (four months ago) Permalink

wow you guys are hilarious remind me to never write a post in 1 minute without thinking it through before a bunch of know it alls jump down my throat

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

fuck me for writing a few sentences about a tv show at lunch time and not being consistent. what a horrible, stupid person i am

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Time for a new thread guys

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (four months ago) Permalink

We did our best.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (four months ago) Permalink

nobody called you horrible or stupid Adam, ppl are just goofin

anyway this show is awesome

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (four months ago) Permalink

really wish there were some animated gifs from ep 8 that I could use as a screensaver or something

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (four months ago) Permalink

I made this thread to get off that subject!

I love how much Briggs there was in the last episode. You can feel how much both lynch and frost really love the character. Charlotte Stewart, although she had v little to do in the original series, is part of Lynch's Eraserhead family along with the much-missed nance & coulson, and I remember Dana ashbrook saying in interviews that he always looked upon Stewart and Davis as surrogate parents; this all comes through v strongly in the chair scene. It's also interesting to think that the Briggses are very devout Catholics (this is emphasised again in the missing pieces although it's played somewhat for laughs which is a slight return to the s1 characterisation of garland as the pompous, oblivious parent) - their faith feels key to understanding garland's message, given just before he "died", and Betty's just accepting what she had to have known was a farewell & subsequently keeping the secret till the right time.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 16:59 (four months ago) Permalink

huh I must've missed/forgotten the Catholic stuff

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:01 (four months ago) Permalink

I only know the denomination because the frost book makes a big point of it but their Christianity was in the first season & in the missing pieces he's reading aloud to Betty from the book of revelations at the dinner table(!)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (four months ago) Permalink

I didn't realize until embarrassingly recently that that was Charlotte Stewart in Eraserhead (which I've seen at least as many times as I've seen any of the Twin Peaks episodes she was in).

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (four months ago) Permalink

he reads from the book of revelation. that's all i remember regarding him and religiosity.

xp. are we considering the frost book as canon? i wouldn't personally

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:19 (four months ago) Permalink

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Which is basically Lynch's stated perspective on it, as well, iirc.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Lynch and frost are both like "canon schmanon" which is kinda my attitude too but I think we can get an idea of his conception of the character from the book

In general tho I feel like the log lady introductions and palmer family interview are more relevant than the book even though they can't logically exist in the world of the show

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:28 (four months ago) Permalink

thanks to the allure of the ridiculous amazon prime day, I have given in and will be reading the Secret History book this weekend

what have you people done to me

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:30 (four months ago) Permalink

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Yeah this basically. All the books are like different approaches to the same story. Even with fwwm I remember reading that lynch told a member of the crew re discontinuity (hairstyles, locations, weather, you name it) "think of it as a parallel universe"

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:31 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd just got used to where the tp link was in my list of bookmarks, damn it!

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:42 (four months ago) Permalink

important erratum: in the previous thread where we were discussing that Crossroads film which seems like an important influence on the nuke sequence in episode 8, i said that the Terry Riley album that was very similar to his score to Crossroads was Persian Surgery Dervishes, but it's not, I meant to say Descending Moonshine Dervishes. I don't even own Persian Surgery Dervishes. As you were!

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:15 (four months ago) Permalink

sorry mr. lynch pic.twitter.com/ZICATyxBwP

— Chris Person (@Papapishu) July 12, 2017

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Showtime says the show is averaging around 2 million viewers across all platforms.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-ratings-2017-season-4-game-of-thrones-1201853930/

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:41 (four months ago) Permalink

is that good or bad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:43 (four months ago) Permalink

I think that's very good in terms of the viewership of today.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:47 (four months ago) Permalink

it's not bad from what I know, but I also could not give less of a shit either way, can't imagine there'll be more episodes after this in any case

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:48 (four months ago) Permalink

don't really see this as competition with GoT which I would think has a totally different (and stupider) audience

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (four months ago) Permalink

just gettin some ad homs in for laffs there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

― mh, Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:47 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Seems like Showtime is genuinely pleased, so good enough.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:02 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean on the off chance they greenlight On the Air: The Return.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:03 (four months ago) Permalink

oh yeah game of thrones that reminds me

sky atlantic is gonna simulcast it which means they're not gonna simulcast twin peaks any more, it's gonna be on at 3am instead of 2am :-(

(still gonna watch it then obv)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:06 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm on the hook for a GoT viewing at my neighbors' sunday night which means I have to ask my Twin Peaks team to postpone to Monday night

I do not prefer this, needless to say

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:09 (four months ago) Permalink

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:14 (four months ago) Permalink

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:15 (four months ago) Permalink

shrug, nobody watches tp live anyway as documented above so whatever

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (four months ago) Permalink

xp

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (four months ago) Permalink

why would Showtime's competition be concerned anyway? GoT is a juggernaut, i doubt HBO's much concerned about what else happens to be airing at the time.

xpsss

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:17 (four months ago) Permalink

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

pretty sure they're airing it at the same time as the last 6 seasons.

my plan is to watch GoT and then TP, in that order, on sunday nights. it's really hard to do the other way around.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:18 (four months ago) Permalink

What shows before TP Sundays on Showtime?

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:19 (four months ago) Permalink

the previous week's tp, by the look of it

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:27 (four months ago) Permalink

also looks like they're changing the time - starting in august it'll be on an hour earlier. 8pm there, 1am here

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:29 (four months ago) Permalink

TP is the first show in ages that I've made the effort to watch as its airing.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:31 (four months ago) Permalink

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

kinda haunted by this shot. happened so quickly i barely noticed the photo.

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (four months ago) Permalink

oops

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (four months ago) Permalink

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:15 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:16 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great observation. I was trying to think of what was so weird and creepy about goaz's performance here, I think you nailed it. I normally love the a&l scenes in the return but where I think it loses something in this mode is when they go for tenderness. the way he like air-nuzzles her gives me the willies

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:35 (four months ago) Permalink

what was the prize?

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we haven't heard yet

Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

you get to meet the jumping man

flappy bird, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's a green formica table.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 3 November 2017 01:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

*throws out current kitchen table*
send it over

mh, Friday, 3 November 2017 01:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUkl0luOEs

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

slaps

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

awesome

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 00:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

AMA with Mark Frost starts in 10mins (10am PST/1pm EST):

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Apparently in a recent interview he was asked about the possibility of more and said "no comment" - surprised at how much ppl involved are hinting at a continuation

From what I've seen on twitter the ama is mostly short, boring answers to every last question asked by people who hate having to use their imagination. They should retitle the thread "the final dossier vol 2"

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm diving into the last 3 episodes tomorrow. Can't wait, eps 14 & 15 have been amazing.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh man 16-18 is a trip

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.

akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

has a couple of kind of knowing winks that were fun too ('i won't bore you' with the details of the evelyn marsh story; a roll of the eyes as 'the cockney with the green glove')

akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So the Final Dossier is worth a read. It's terribly 'and then this happened, then this happened', but if you want to 'make sense' out of the Return, it will do that for you.


This is a terrible thing to want I think, certainly a terrible thing to want mark frost to do for you in the most boring way possible

I think TFD is bad pretty much, but having just watched part 3 again the book is bad in a way that will never ever touch the show, happily. He's amazing at television and kind of awful at books and needs more people in his life to tell him this.

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

very very otm

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i regret pre-ordering it, the book has been sitting on my shelf since i got it because everyone i know that read it said it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:09 (one week ago) Permalink

I think of Frost / Lynch the same way as Clarke / Kubrick for 2001. The writer feels he has the definitive take on the narrative and thematic content, but the director's work far surpasses it in terms of meaning and resonance.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 10 November 2017 02:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Palahniuk/Fincher

lol sorry, couldn't resist

mh, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Kinda don't understand why you guys are so disappointed that the Frost book is apparently exactly what everyone expected it to be.

Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:05 (one week ago) Permalink

it is and isn't?

the first was this fake esoteric document, government redacted affair. the capstone final dossier book is gossipy narration in the style of the margin notes of the first, with very few asides

mh, Friday, 10 November 2017 03:13 (one week ago) Permalink

I guess I should keep my trap shut until I actually read the thing (just got it in the mail yesterday, immediately flipped open to the autopsy report of a character whose fate had been left ambiguous, kinda get what you guys are talking about).

Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:17 (one week ago) Permalink

For all its faults the secret history was clearly a labour of love, frost pulling in all sorts of hobbyhorses & telling the story he wanted to tell (nobody was clamouring for the exploits of Doug Milford), filling the book with little puzzles; the final dossier is so obviously tossed-off in comparison, a dutiful half-arsed tying up of loose ends. The contents page may as well be a checklist. Had to lol at frost RTing all the ppl who were like "I devoured the book in one sitting!" as if it isn't like 50 pages long and as substantial as a Rice Krispie.

It's insultingly low-energy for the price - a large percentage of the very low page count is black pages & as I said above the experience of reading it is often about the same as reading his Reddit ama. A stupid amount of space is given over to a torturous attempt to explain away some of the continuity fuckups of the first book, like the different names & backstories of annie & Norma; funny thing is if he'd just left it a lot of ppl would have assumed he was doing something much cleverer & more interesting than he was! Bending over backwards to find a mundane (if very very dumb) explanation is essentially an admission that he fucked up & is trying to fix it (a lot of the apologia for the 2nd season reads like this as well). It's actually a good illustration of how twin peaks is best when it works against this impulse to make everything fit. Another major eyeroll is TP saying of Audrey "I think I heard she might be in a mental institution or something" - remember that lynch wrote all of that plotline by himself so this is frost having to figure out what's going on like the rest of us, and his best guess is literally as good as anyone's. Charlie is her accountant, yep, good one dude, keep the mystery alive lol

There is some stuff I like: jerry's forest speakers are the kind of fun little detail that I could see being done in the series, and I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 10 November 2017 07:54 (one week ago) Permalink

I enjoyed it. It's an hour read, not worth the money, but when it comes down in price it's worth it. As for it's effects, I find this idea of the 'canon' very odd. You're free to accept it or not.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Canon schmanon! I like that there are all these different versions of twin peaks that openly contradict each other, I just think this latest version is particularly dull and I'm happy to dismiss it out of hand. It's just v nothingy; pure bathos, no magic. A couple of nice passages but for the most part Tammy's disquisitions are as bland as her reportage - the most the book approaches being fun are the couple of times he slips into the voice of a character who actually has one (log lady, Albert).

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

looking forward to reading this part, even though i think the scene in the missing pieces is the perfect way for her character to exit the world of twin peaks

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:16 (one week ago) Permalink

It's basically a macabre dadjoke but I lold

Oh man both the scenes graham filmed for fwwm give me goosebumps; lynch really knew how to make good use of the character (such as it is) & her glassy stare

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:29 (one week ago) Permalink

The differing approaches of Lynch and Frost to the same basic material is a good illustration of how a narrative artist's style is dictated by where they decide to stop (e.g. editing a scene, deciding what constitutes an ending, etc.).

Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:35 (one week ago) Permalink

"it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show" well, maybe it does, or maybe it just supports all the thoughts most people already had about the show.

akm, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:38 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm not saying I love it, I'm just saying I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

akm, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:38 (one week ago) Permalink

,the one thing I think is consistently weird is that both frost and lynch maintain that they just didn't even really think about Annie while writing the return. Like, really? The character never once came up? c'mon

akm, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:39 (one week ago) Permalink

they just assumed her character was... fine where they left it

mh, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Nothing has ruined or could ruin the show imo

Re annie, they clearly thought about her enough that her message to Laura got a slight return in the return, just as lynch always said it would if the series ever continued. I believe that they're not that interested in her as a character tho and that her storyline was complete

xp exactly

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I will abstain from reading these books even though I'm curious because my memory of my experience of The Return is quite simply, perfect, and I want to continue to enjoy it on those terms.

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:47 (one week ago) Permalink

this is really great so far https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/david-lynchs-late-style/

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:06 (one week ago) Permalink

artforum had a good review of the Return (by dennis lim, author of the recently published "David Lynch"), but it's behind a paywall

Karl Malone, Monday, 13 November 2017 17:31 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought of the return ito "late style" a bit during its run, it came up briefly on the Diane podcast recently too - will read the larb thing later for sure

Really haven't read much on the series apart from the Bocko recaps & both rennebaum pieces, don't think I'll ever really wade into the cottage industry of fan analysis (that 25 years later site for example, never clicked on it but I think it must publish at least one article a day)

treeship: a year in the life (wins), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:39 (one week ago) Permalink

xp wish I'd known, is it in the current issue? always looking for an excuse to buy a big ol' magazine to flip through

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:11 (one week ago) Permalink

yep, current issue. it also has an unintentionally hilarious feature on the future of VR and art

Karl Malone, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I'd be skeptical but the art/experimental space is a decent barometer for reading where mainstream stuff will be in a half dozen years

tons of AR stuff in art spaces seven or eight years ago

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:32 (one week ago) Permalink

this is really great so far https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/david-lynchs-late-style/

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)

this was excellent, thanks!

Karl Malone, Monday, 13 November 2017 23:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Final Dossier is such a joyless piece of shit, whytf didn't I trust my instinct and not read it.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 12:12 (one week ago) Permalink

i've also been kinda nervous to share this but i wrote about og twin peaks, fwwm, the return, vertigo, and zulawski's possession a few months ago. mild spoilers for possession which is a movie i don't think you can really spoil: http://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2017/09/27/im-not-me/

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 13:24 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought I linked that in here at some point? it's so great!!

Simon H., Tuesday, 14 November 2017 13:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Hi all, it was quite an experience watching the last three episodes on a gray, rainy afternoon the other day. Still processing everything but I loved the tone that the finale struck, and it's definitely stayed with me.

I haven't quite finished the thread but have been enjoying going through it during a lot of music-related downtime over the last few days (waiting to soundcheck, bouncing down stems, etc).

Random banal thought - watching that old SNL parody that was posted upthread, it's weirdly prescient about some of the themes of The Return (Cooper not being able to leave Laura's murder alone after the end of the story, or the audience not being able to do so, his methods creating more problems than they're solving, etc).!

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 16:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Good point! Also the Las Vegas mention

flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh yeah totally

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Man, I have to say that waggish piece posted upthread is very compelling. I read it before bed and it infiltrated my dreams.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Along these lines although much more minor, I don't see any good reason at all to think the drunk in the jail cell is billy

It's extra-textual, but I'm like 99% certain that my closed captions credited his dialogue as "Billy".

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink

he may as well be Billy really. why not I say.

akm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:58 (one week ago) Permalink


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