Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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Halfway through. This should take us to the bittersweet end.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:31 (two years ago) link

SOILER

BOB is a cylon

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

That you can only see if you're high on the drugs.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

What are you talking about, there are no drugs in this season, just a couple of alcoholics

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:38 (two years ago) link

Few can see him: the gifted... and the daaaaamn dude how much did you take?

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:41 (two years ago) link

wow you guys are hilarious remind me to never write a post in 1 minute without thinking it through before a bunch of know it alls jump down my throat

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

fuck me for writing a few sentences about a tv show at lunch time and not being consistent. what a horrible, stupid person i am

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

Time for a new thread guys

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (two years ago) link

We did our best.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (two years ago) link

nobody called you horrible or stupid Adam, ppl are just goofin

anyway this show is awesome

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (two years ago) link

really wish there were some animated gifs from ep 8 that I could use as a screensaver or something

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (two years ago) link

I made this thread to get off that subject!

I love how much Briggs there was in the last episode. You can feel how much both lynch and frost really love the character. Charlotte Stewart, although she had v little to do in the original series, is part of Lynch's Eraserhead family along with the much-missed nance & coulson, and I remember Dana ashbrook saying in interviews that he always looked upon Stewart and Davis as surrogate parents; this all comes through v strongly in the chair scene. It's also interesting to think that the Briggses are very devout Catholics (this is emphasised again in the missing pieces although it's played somewhat for laughs which is a slight return to the s1 characterisation of garland as the pompous, oblivious parent) - their faith feels key to understanding garland's message, given just before he "died", and Betty's just accepting what she had to have known was a farewell & subsequently keeping the secret till the right time.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 16:59 (two years ago) link

huh I must've missed/forgotten the Catholic stuff

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:01 (two years ago) link

I only know the denomination because the frost book makes a big point of it but their Christianity was in the first season & in the missing pieces he's reading aloud to Betty from the book of revelations at the dinner table(!)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (two years ago) link

I didn't realize until embarrassingly recently that that was Charlotte Stewart in Eraserhead (which I've seen at least as many times as I've seen any of the Twin Peaks episodes she was in).

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (two years ago) link

he reads from the book of revelation. that's all i remember regarding him and religiosity.

xp. are we considering the frost book as canon? i wouldn't personally

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:19 (two years ago) link

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (two years ago) link

Which is basically Lynch's stated perspective on it, as well, iirc.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (two years ago) link

Lynch and frost are both like "canon schmanon" which is kinda my attitude too but I think we can get an idea of his conception of the character from the book

In general tho I feel like the log lady introductions and palmer family interview are more relevant than the book even though they can't logically exist in the world of the show

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:28 (two years ago) link

thanks to the allure of the ridiculous amazon prime day, I have given in and will be reading the Secret History book this weekend

what have you people done to me

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:30 (two years ago) link

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Yeah this basically. All the books are like different approaches to the same story. Even with fwwm I remember reading that lynch told a member of the crew re discontinuity (hairstyles, locations, weather, you name it) "think of it as a parallel universe"

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:31 (two years ago) link

I'd just got used to where the tp link was in my list of bookmarks, damn it!

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:42 (two years ago) link

important erratum: in the previous thread where we were discussing that Crossroads film which seems like an important influence on the nuke sequence in episode 8, i said that the Terry Riley album that was very similar to his score to Crossroads was Persian Surgery Dervishes, but it's not, I meant to say Descending Moonshine Dervishes. I don't even own Persian Surgery Dervishes. As you were!

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:15 (two years ago) link

sorry mr. lynch pic.twitter.com/ZICATyxBwP

— Chris Person (@Papapishu) July 12, 2017

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (two years ago) link

Showtime says the show is averaging around 2 million viewers across all platforms.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-ratings-2017-season-4-game-of-thrones-1201853930/

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:41 (two years ago) link

is that good or bad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:43 (two years ago) link

I think that's very good in terms of the viewership of today.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:46 (two years ago) link

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:47 (two years ago) link

it's not bad from what I know, but I also could not give less of a shit either way, can't imagine there'll be more episodes after this in any case

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:48 (two years ago) link

don't really see this as competition with GoT which I would think has a totally different (and stupider) audience

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

just gettin some ad homs in for laffs there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

― mh, Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:47 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:51 (two years ago) link

Seems like Showtime is genuinely pleased, so good enough.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:02 (two years ago) link

I mean on the off chance they greenlight On the Air: The Return.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:03 (two years ago) link

oh yeah game of thrones that reminds me

sky atlantic is gonna simulcast it which means they're not gonna simulcast twin peaks any more, it's gonna be on at 3am instead of 2am :-(

(still gonna watch it then obv)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:06 (two years ago) link

I'm on the hook for a GoT viewing at my neighbors' sunday night which means I have to ask my Twin Peaks team to postpone to Monday night

I do not prefer this, needless to say

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:14 (two years ago) link

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:15 (two years ago) link

shrug, nobody watches tp live anyway as documented above so whatever

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

xp

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

why would Showtime's competition be concerned anyway? GoT is a juggernaut, i doubt HBO's much concerned about what else happens to be airing at the time.

xpsss

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:17 (two years ago) link

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

pretty sure they're airing it at the same time as the last 6 seasons.

my plan is to watch GoT and then TP, in that order, on sunday nights. it's really hard to do the other way around.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:18 (two years ago) link

What shows before TP Sundays on Showtime?

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:19 (two years ago) link

the previous week's tp, by the look of it

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:27 (two years ago) link

also looks like they're changing the time - starting in august it'll be on an hour earlier. 8pm there, 1am here

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:29 (two years ago) link

TP is the first show in ages that I've made the effort to watch as its airing.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:31 (two years ago) link

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

kinda haunted by this shot. happened so quickly i barely noticed the photo.

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

oops

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:15 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:16 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great observation. I was trying to think of what was so weird and creepy about goaz's performance here, I think you nailed it. I normally love the a&l scenes in the return but where I think it loses something in this mode is when they go for tenderness. the way he like air-nuzzles her gives me the willies

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:35 (two years ago) link

i recommend reading that piece that dan selzer posted upthread about three weeks ago - it makes a pretty strong point for why the climax of the bob plot is so silly/cartoony

na (NA), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

I instinctively avoid videos like the 4-hr explainer tbh. I watched a decent chunk but "definitive" analyses like these seem against the spirit of the show, which I know he kinda acknowledged but that doesn't make it more palatable to me

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:54 (three weeks ago) link

freddy’s good

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:10 (three weeks ago) link

i’m otm

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:10 (three weeks ago) link

if any of these putative "explanations" of a meaning to the return are correct that would be disappointing to me - someone who is ambivalent at best about it to begin with

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:17 (three weeks ago) link

i mean even the explanations of mulholland dr. are unconfirmed if largely agreed upon. think you’re safe jim

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:25 (three weeks ago) link

i mean we'll never know, so it's a disappointment that i'll never actually have, but theoretically if lynch came out and was like "oh yeah the return is about this" (which he clearly will never do) then i would be sad.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:26 (three weeks ago) link

but that’ll never happen

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:26 (three weeks ago) link

I share the skepticism of explainers, but there is a LOT of stuff about energy, waves, air, transmission and so on which is pretty obvious when assembled into a framework. For me it doesn't preclude the work from having a wider symbolic and artistic resonance, and by reducing the apparent arbitrariness of some elements it makes the work admirably focused. I didn't swallow it whole but I was impressed enough to finish it, albeit at 1.5 speed across a couple of weeks.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 24 January 2020 00:39 (three weeks ago) link

dammit, I'm totally going to watch this Youtube video

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 24 January 2020 01:15 (three weeks ago) link

it's about electricity

don't ask me about judy, though

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:09 (three weeks ago) link

I rewatched part of Fire Walk With Me last week and imo it sets out a lot of the groundwork and creates a blueprint for the series as a whole. When you take it and The Return together, the original series seems like a piece of the puzzle that happens in the middle, with some of the season two hijinks fading away in favor of the story elements that are continued and brought to the forefront

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:13 (three weeks ago) link

Freddie punching BOB into oblivion feels to me like an absurd statement on the futility of 'defeating' evil, undermined as it subsequently is by a more literal depiction of that futility (Coop having preemptively (re)solved the murder of Laura and, in the course of doing so, having essentially unraveled her existence).

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:30 (three weeks ago) link

^^^ i like that

we can't undo trauma

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:34 (three weeks ago) link

You can't unfry things, Jerri.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:37 (three weeks ago) link

I don't know if it was Lynch's decision or Showtime's to air the last two parts back to back but people would likely have been uneasy for a week about how things were wrapping up before seeing that tonally different ending.

Chris L, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:30 (three weeks ago) link

lol @ OL

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:37 (three weeks ago) link

we live inside of a dream

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:40 (three weeks ago) link

I rewatched part of Fire Walk With Me last week and imo it sets out a lot of the groundwork and creates a blueprint for the series as a whole. When you take it and The Return together, the original series seems like a piece of the puzzle that happens in the middle, with some of the season two hijinks fading away in favor of the story elements that are continued and brought to the forefront

― babu frik fan account (mh)

yeah, i can definitely see this. i understand the other comments, and also what lynch has said many times, that it's not like this is all a puzzle that lynch/frost have the answer to, or whatever. but yes, taken as a whole, the OG twin peaks series really seems like an extended dream/alt dimension that takes place in cooper's mind. the OG twin peaks is kind of the the Invitation to Love to whatever the "real" world of Coop is

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:45 (three weeks ago) link

btw, i know i raved about it upthread (or in some thread) but the extended Invitation to Love scenes that are available on some box set or the other are some of the most enjoyable twin peaks material out there

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:48 (three weeks ago) link

I like reading people's theories but have no use for any insistence that a given take is the definitive one. Lynch leaves too many loose ends lying around (deliberately so), there's always something that doesn't fit into a given interpretation/explanation.

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:50 (three weeks ago) link

yeah for sure! as with mulholland drive and inland empire, i enjoy the theories and stuff, but not because any of them are "right" but more because they offer different ways to view and enjoy the work (sort of like good music criticism)

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:55 (three weeks ago) link

The word “explain” is such a turnoff lol

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:55 (three weeks ago) link

like that piece upthread that dan selzer posted is fantastic, really sharp, made me see various things in a different way, etc. Love it.

At the same time, I found myself thinking "wait, if the original series season's are all Cooper's guilt-induced fever dream, why is there all that crap that has absolutely zero to do with Cooper or dead-girl-guilt like the whole Ben Horne/Ghostwood/the Packard Mill storyline?" Lynch's work always has things like this, little forking paths or tangents that suggest an alternate reading to whatever one you're currently enamored of.

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:12 (three weeks ago) link

the Winkies/dumpster monster in Mulholland Drive is another one that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the most commonly accepted interpretation of the film. And that's one of the film's best moments!

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:14 (three weeks ago) link

My one real lingering curiosity about Lost Highway (which I will steadfastly insist is his weakest film) is Lynch explicitly stating that it's set in the same 'universe' as Twin Peaks. Like what do we even make of that when the 'universe' of Twin Peaks seems so multivalent and malleable.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

nah Wild at Heart is his worst

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:17 (three weeks ago) link

I dunno about 'universe' but there's some obvious thematic linkages between Twin Peaks and Lost Highway and then on through everything he's done since - dreamworld doppelgangers adrift in sex and violence etc

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:18 (three weeks ago) link

WaH has some amazing sequences but I find it kind of hard to watch

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

xxpost Tied for last, at the very least. Fuckin' Gifford. The Eugene Landy of Lynchdom.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:20 (three weeks ago) link

hahaha

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:22 (three weeks ago) link

i rewatched lost highway a few weeks ago. it's definitely not his weakest, and it's absolutely his scariest

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:23 (three weeks ago) link

there's a saxophone quotient that should be taken into account when rating his work

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:24 (three weeks ago) link

Scariest LH scene imo

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEhmKIPQeB2YUH9C0/giphy.gif

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:28 (three weeks ago) link

the OG twin peaks series really seems like an extended dream

before you came here, twin peak was a simple place. my brothers sell drugs to the teenagers and truck drivers. one-eyed jack's is open to the businessman and tourist. quiet people living quiet lives. then, a pretty girl die. and you arrive. and everything change. my brother bernard is shot and left to die in the woods. a grieving father smothers my surviving brother with a pillow. arson. kidnapping. death. destruction. suddenly, the quiet people here, they are quiet no longer. and the simple dream? it become a nightmare. maybe, i kill you, you will be the last to die. maybe, you brought the nightmare with you. maybe, when you die, the nightmare end.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:32 (three weeks ago) link

the whole Ben Horne/Ghostwood/the Packard Mill storyline

I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS!!! BOXES WITHIN BOXES!!!

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

Is difficult listening hour part of the Twin Peaks universe?

Alba, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/TC7jhTH.jpg

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:37 (three weeks ago) link

Is this real, Ben, or some strange and twisted dream?

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

all i did was come for a funeral!

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 January 2020 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

laurie anderson is definitely park of the twin peaks extended universe

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

xpost love that bowie pic

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 January 2020 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

Incidentally my from z to a box arrived this week, on lynch’s birthday no less. #21,350/25,000 (the nerd in me wishes they had produced just one more set)

Haven’t had any time to watch at all but I’m playing the complete roadhouse performances while tidying my flat. “Ladies and gentlemen, the roadhouse is proud to welcome... Hudson Mohawke”

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:26 (three weeks ago) link

circa the mid 00s i watched a performance of hudson mohawks's bad hip hop duo, who were supporting caribou, and i was like 'ha, this is bad', feeling all superior. fast forward a decade and a half and he has production credits on a kanye west album and appears on an episode of twin peaks. karma got me

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:31 (three weeks ago) link

I expect many ppl experienced this karmic whiplash at the Michael Cera appearance as well (not I, whomst has always had love and respect for Mr. Cera)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:36 (three weeks ago) link

xpost Nah, I expected and got great results from Cera, as always.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:39 (three weeks ago) link

lol jim

tbf he’s only in it for like 45 seconds as the kind of thing that plays when you’re on bad drugs and have a nasty armpit rash but... I’d take it

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:40 (three weeks ago) link

my z to a CERTIFICATE OF YTICITNEHTUA's #14,701. was two eps away from the end of a rewatch of the return when it arrived; immediately stopped and restarted at the original pilot lol. basically, the luminosity of the moment before death shone, but i did not recognize it, and so, i have to wander here

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

https://happymag.tv/david-lynch-releases-two-singles-with-same-monkey-from-his-short-film/

btw, i thought that short was actually pretty good and funny! i was surprised because while a vein of lynch's sense of humor runs through all his work, i usually haven't enjoyed the things that place it at the forefront - on the air, the cowboy and the frenchmen.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 January 2020 17:07 (three weeks ago) link


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