Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

IG? Inglorious Basterds.

GREAT
Jackie Brown
Once Upon a Time

GOOD
Inglourious Basterds
Pulp Fiction
Kill Bill Vol. 1

AIIGHT
Death Proof
Kill Bill Vol. 2

NOT GOOD
Django Unchained

AWFUL
Reservoir Dogs
The Hateful Eight

otm though flip kill bills 1 and 2 and put death proof in good

I'd bump Hateful Eight above Django, and c'mon, Reservoir Dogs is good.

If Tarantino had only made Dogs, Morbs would have a very valid point.

GREAT
Jackie Brown
Inglourious Basterds
Kill Bill Vol. 2

GOOD
Pulp Fiction
Once Upon a Time
Kill Bill Vol. 1

AIIGHT
Reservoir Dogs
Django Unchained
The Hateful Eight

NOT GOOD
Death Proof

AWFUL
tbd

The dinner scene in Django is the only thing I'd save -- as tense as the Manson ranch scene in OUATIH later imo.

Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs are great, the new one and half of Pulp Fiction are good, most are alright, the Kill Bills weren't for me. No interest in Death Proof, still haven't seen Inglorious Bastards.

finally saw this b/c theaters are rescreening it this week. fun movie!

what strikes me about this film more than anything is how Tarantino's usual dialogue tics are mostly non-existent here, relying a bit more on easy natural-seeming banter and therefore the dialogue is arguably his best (though Jackie Brown had the benefit of some of Elmore Leonard's words). And unlike Death Proof/Django Unchained/Hateful Eight i was never bored, and it's vastly better than anything he's done since JB. Even when there are some moments of pop-culture namedropping it makes more sense and doesn't stop the momentum, and also frankly the cast here is the best he's had in eons.

the ending works for me, this fictional character Tarantino created stepping crudely into real history and altering the plans of these murderous idiots, and there's this brief moment at the end when Jay is calling up to Sharon at the house and Rick turns away from them with this mournful look on his face which I can only read as a wall-breaking acknowledgement of the actual history. the framing of him talking to Jay through the gate is particularly effective there. He gets a lot of emotion out of that, along with that final overhead shot of Rick walking to the house with Jay and greeting Sharon and the others.

The Spahn Ranch scene was, as stated before, completely masterful. Cliff sauntering through the place, knowing something is off almost immediately, building to him walking through the house, and as he's about to leave he sees the knife in the tire, and it continues to build up til we see the car peeling off. The knowledge of what happened at the ranch with other people, and the fact that virtually any fate could befall Cliff there, just makes the scene all the more tense.

I was furious at QT when I first saw it -- the gall of him saving the day through his art yet again -- but I can't stop thinking about this movie. It's really good no matter how mad it makes me.

probably his most genuinely personal film in a lot of ways -- i thought the entire thing worked, front to back. considering three of his previous four films were--high points in each aside--markedly a step below his best work, i was ready to be disappointed again, but it reaches some career heights in several areas and equals them everywhere else.

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xp OTM

luke perry should have had the dicaprio role and vice versa.

i love luke perry but no way dude

After thinking on it I’ve decided the Bruce Lee in this film is another alternate universe character. He boasts about beating Ali and then is only so-so against Cliff, so he’s clearly not our Bruce Lee.

Same for the radio (and clemenza’s issues with its top fortiness) - this is a slightly different chart listing that what we got.

It’s all more relaxing that way. Also, in this universe, Steve McQueen wore a wig.

Anyone see the longer cut?

I don’t think it’s out there. There are about 20 min of deleted scenes on the disc but I haven’t watched them.

I was going to say, I don't think it's been released, just mentioned. The deleted scenes aren't exactly fascinating, though I've only watched once - still no Tim Roth. Some extra commercials, Rick singing "Green Door" on Hullabaloo, more of Bounty Law, extended scene when Charlie first visits Sharon Tate's house and a long conversation between Rick Dalton and Sam Wanamaker.

Same for the radio (and clemenza’s issues with its top fortiness) - this is a slightly different chart listing that what we got.

wild how Reel Radio's hundreds of hours of KHJ airchecks from the late 1960s managed to get transferred from this alternate universe too, right down to their imaginary disc jockeys

wasn’t talking to you

oh snap

lol

the fuckin, like... 15 seconds of the Joe Cocker cover of "The Letter" that plays when Cliff drives down Hollywood Boulevard the first time have been stuck in my head for a few weeks now.

yeah goddamn it was the perfect section for that footage

I looked at some used vinyl today, and noticed that the Buffy version of "Circle Game" appeared on the soundtrack to The Strawberry Statement, a 1970 campus uprising pic starring Bruce Davison & Kim Darby & Bud Cort (and scripted by Adrock's dad!).

I've seen it...excellent soundtrack: "Down by the River," two or three other Neil songs, also "Something in the Air."

thats such a great cue in the movie

XP I've seen it too (actually own the Warner Archive 2-disc), but had forgotten the song being in it (or it didn't register--it's been a minute since I screened).

And yeah, alotta Neil, with "The Loner" & "Helpless" also figuring in alongside some other CSNY stuff.

Whatever my misgivings earlier in this thread, the one soundtrack pick I thought was perfect and sublime and somewhat new for Tarantino. There was such freedom and elation in the way Tate barreled down the Strip (or maybe it was a highway) with that hitchhiker.

Same, I either missed or don't remember "The Circle Game" in The Strawberry Statement. Kim Darby was very Karen Valentine, early-'70s wholesome.

Full disclosure: on some level I hate everything Tarantino has done for the last 20 years, even when I find certain movies or parts "entertaining" - especially, then, I guess, because I feel bad about enjoying them.

Anyway, I found this pretty entertaining, even though it was so fucking long. I kept remarking to my wife during the first half that they could have cut this scene or that to keep it under 2:42 or whatever.

Brad Pitt was great in this even if he is still playing a high-functioning Floyd on the couch in True Romance. My favorite parts might have been the scenes where Cliff and Rick were tooling around in Rick's car with the radio on and neon in the background or in reflections in the windshield. The scene at the Spahn ranch was very good - similar in tone to the Bruce Willis scene in the pawnshop, though less WTF.

I knew what was going to happen at the end and it was pretty lol.

But what the fuck was the entire point?

oh god

what an awful question to ask about a fun, rich, stylish movie

I get it. 22 year old PBKR would be disappointed in 47 year old PBKR. Recalls my arguments about Pulp Fiction with my father.

Agree with the fun and stylish. Note sure how rich.

well they all live in mansions....

I liked Cliff's mansion better than George's mansion

mansion murders movie

Been thinking about this again and one thing I was wondering about is that Cliff killed his wife. Why does Tarantino add this fact and the quick scene showing him pointing the speargun at her? Does this imply that Cliff killed her intentionally and got away with it (maybe dumped her body overboard)? Or does it mean Cliff killed her accidentally and was acquitted?

I guess this is to add an element of danger to Cliff. But then why does Tarantino make her (the wife) such a nag? So that the viewer can still like Cliff even though he killed his wife? That frankly seems cheap and sleazy. Par for the course with Tarantino, I guess.

Sorry if this was discussed above. I read the entire thread but don't recall if it was and wasn't going to read it all again.

It basically means that women who nag deserve to die.

I mean it sucks but it is a cliff’s-eye-view and cliff is a psycho

it's also a memory within a memory in Cliff's mind, no wonder it skews his way

the deeper into flashbacks the movie gets, the more overloaded and confused the semiotics become: hence the bizarre and very obvious Thunderball outfit/spear gun

xp Is he a psycho? I didn't get that at all.

I didn't take the flashback as Cliff's memory as much as Tarantino showing us what happened, but that is more interesting/less troubling. I guess it could be a manifestation of Cliff's guilt over his wife's death, wondering if the accident was really an accident given how his wife was nagging him. That would be a more charitable (to Cliff) interpretation.

If he murdered his wife he may be a psycho yes!

To me, the point is to sow doubt about Cliff. There's this unknown, dark undercurrent to his character that lives in the realm of Hollywood rumors. That scene could be his memory, but it could also be the way the Zoe Bell character and others imagined it went down. It's never resolved, but just lives there as a signal that he has a dangerous side that is rarely seen.

Missing the key part that his wife was played by Rebecca Gayheart so cliff killed her before she could run over that kid.

xxp Lol, fair enough.

I just would find it hard to square psycho-Cliff with the presumably genuine concern for the possibility that Spahn was being taken advantage of (or worse) by the Manson family at the ranch.

I remember in the first cycle of this thread I was very mad at ppl for not clocking the reference to Natalie Wood even tho the wife is literally called Natalie

I think what happened on the boat is obv left vague and he’s iirc a little drunk and it’s open as to whether or not it was accidental. Cliff is obv a low key bummed out dude at this point in his life who’s living in a shitty trailer so the implication is that whatever he did cost him a lot, which isn’t to say he wasn’t at fault nor didn’t deserve that kind of minor karmic justice.

it is played for laughs that he killed his wife on the boat for nagging him. it doesn't really seem particularly ambiguous in the least. I've already posted that here