Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

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Well, here we go.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/quentin-tarantino-prepping-new-movie-tackling-manson-murders-1020165

Barely any details there except that it's coming together.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:15 (two years ago) link

huh

does not really sound like a good idea tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:16 (two years ago) link

sounds like it *could* be a good idea, you read so much about the aura around L.A. during this period and the spookiness of these murders (and other crimes of the era) and the whole sinister vibe surrounding so much of celebrity culture (and the spookiness of the hills, which was so heavy it even permeated the L.A. parts of "Mad Men" even without anything being explicitly mentioned.) but it would take another director who's capable of pulling that off.

nomar, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (two years ago) link

otoh another opportunity for Tarantino to liberally use the n-word

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (two years ago) link

Have to say that Karina Longworth's deep dive into it all was the first time I ever really paid attention to the full sweep of the story. Scroll to the bottom for the first one, work your way along -- very illuminating. (And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino heard this and that's what gave him a new spark to pursue this, etc.)

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:25 (two years ago) link

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

nickn, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:07 (two years ago) link

I seem to recall Tarantino talking about the Manson murders in a TV interview years ago. Considering his love of that era of films and stuff, I'm sure Helter Skelter the book and movie was something he probably read and saw as a kid.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:13 (two years ago) link

How has QT avoided Charlie up until now? They were made to mate and produce offspring.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:26 (two years ago) link

There's an image.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:31 (two years ago) link

I couldn't find it online, but I swear that thing with Tarantino and Manson coming up might have been on an old episode of Politically Incorrect. It was some type of panel show where Manson came up as a topic.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:46 (two years ago) link

Why the hell not? At least it isn't set pre-1965.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:02 (two years ago) link

(Rob Zombie and Bret Easton Ellis were supposed to develop a mini-series in this vein years ago; I'd love for them to be involved somehow, and won't hold my breath for that.)

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:03 (two years ago) link

Ha, was about to come here and say this could go very bad and end up some Rob Zombie parade of grotesqueries.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:21 (two years ago) link

yeah, the fact that he'll be working around an actual event kind of throws me, and might impact the *enjoyment* of the film. Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (two years ago) link

(x)xpost

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (two years ago) link

Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:32 (two years ago) link

I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:40 (two years ago) link

time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:42 (two years ago) link

Reservoir Doges

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (two years ago) link

what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud

mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:45 (two years ago) link

xp why did you make me google it

http://i.imgur.com/Impkc8r.png

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:47 (two years ago) link

lol

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:48 (two years ago) link

QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?

DANIELA: QUENTIN.

QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?

http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg

QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:49 (two years ago) link

hahahaha

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:51 (two years ago) link

RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:52 (two years ago) link

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:33 (two years ago) link

Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship

pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:37 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.

Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:56 (two years ago) link

Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.

http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:59 (two years ago) link

There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:34 (two years ago) link

I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.

jmm, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:42 (two years ago) link

Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 05:59 (two years ago) link

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:50 (two years ago) link

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:56 (two years ago) link

Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:59 (two years ago) link

Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:02 (two years ago) link

He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:04 (two years ago) link

Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.

полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:10 (two years ago) link

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)

That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:16 (two years ago) link

I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:20 (two years ago) link

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:23 (two years ago) link

There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:24 (two years ago) link

they should adopt from "On His Own Words":

http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg

there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:30 (two years ago) link

Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?

— NOT RECONCILED (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:18 (two years ago) link

LOLLLLLLL

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:37 (two years ago) link

Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:

Cochise • 11 hours ago
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

Josefa, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:01 (two years ago) link

morbs you should watch the movie

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 August 2019 12:59 (two days ago) link

1. tate was never really a target in real life, right? manson had sent the killers to the *house,* not having a clear sense of who actually lived there. he had seen tate there, months before (as shown in the film) but didn't necessarily know who she was, and may have just conflated several different plans and grievances in targeting the house formerly occupied by terry melcher, who had declined to give manson a record deal. (i've been listening to the longworth series!)

2. again, in the film, the killers pull the car up, contemplating their plans for the tate house. what changes events is drunk dalton coming out and yelling at them for being loud hippies. IIRC they then move the car back down the hill so that it can be kept at the ready without attracting such attention, and in the interim realize who dalton is and convince themselves that killing him is the best thing to do.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:06 (two days ago) link

xpost Not making fun at all! I made it to them bringing the car down the hill and then my phone rang (I was that asshole, I had it on do not disturb except from important numbers. It was my mom, but it was not important). I ran out to answer it then ran back in, but I missed the speech. I just assumed they went to the wrong house, because they were doofi but also because it would have paid off the bit with Manson going to the wrong house earlier in the movie.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 13:10 (two days ago) link

Huh, now I have to think about how that changes the movie. I'd been thinking about it like dummy Manson people go to the wrong house and get their ass kicked, thus "saving" Tate. But in this new (to me) reading, she's never "saved" because she's never in danger. In this movie she would have lived and had a future even if they killed Leo and Brad Pitt.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 13:13 (two days ago) link

yep. yes that is what i assumed as well but i was actually watching the whole sequence o_O. i guess i'd conflated their brainwave about killing entertainers with keeping to their plan to go to the house where tate lived. but no, they switched the plan. their genuine delight at nostalgically remembering rick from their childhoods was so amazing and relatable. yet somehow was able to sit congruously in their heads with a desire to murder him.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:15 (two days ago) link

the last shot really was brilliant, the overhead view, knowing that you're now in fantasy alternate-timeline, and the people move away inside, and you're left looking at the parked cars and knowing what really happened. it's all a bit like a dream. somehow rick's sober and dressed well and looking great after a night where he's torched a woman with a flamethrower and dead drunk.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:18 (two days ago) link

Also, I guess them being the actual target better justifies them taking out the intruders by any means necessary. I watched it as Pitt and Leo essentially killing a bunch of unlucky strangers!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 13:20 (two days ago) link

regarding leo's sobriety, it's not clear how much time has passed --- there must have been some time with the cops arriving, extensive questioning before pitt gets in the ambulance. was there time after also? or does sebring appear as the ambulance is driving off? it felt plausible to me as that late-late-night, early morning time, after a bizarre all-night experience, where you're not exactly sober but things have started settling in a little...

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:42 (two days ago) link

sure, and the jolt of an experience like that would wake you up. but he was already so drunk at the restaurant he couldn't drive back home, and then had an entire pitcher of margarita. and he looked like shit. on the drive of tate's house he had on nice slacks, shirt tucked in, ready for a.....drink? with a pregnant woman at 4 in the morning?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:51 (two days ago) link

like i said tho i LIKED that because it's like you're zooming off into the fantasy world at that point, so it feels right that the normal rules don't apply

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:52 (two days ago) link

sobered up enough to need a couple cooldown drinks before going to bed

also, adrenaline is a hell of a drug and dealing with some knife-wielding maniacs is just the thing to harsh your margarita buzz

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 13:56 (two days ago) link

Also, Hollywood hours are akin to Vegas hours: there are no clocks.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:17 (two days ago) link

Surprisingly boring, but it had its moments. Fantastic soundtrack. Looked amazing especially the street signs and shop lights all popping on. I think PTA’s LA video for Haim makes LA look just as good though.

Margot was great.

Lot of very audible and visible boredom in my screening. Watching Apocalypse Now earlier in the week on an IMAX screen didn’t help this in comparison.

Worst scene? Probably ‘Brad Pitt tries to wake up Bruce Dern for 20 minutes’.

piscesx, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:25 (two days ago) link

Also, I guess them being the actual target better justifies them taking out the intruders by any means necessary. I watched it as Pitt and Leo essentially killing a bunch of unlucky strangers!

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, August 16, 2019 6:20 AM (eight hours ago)

peak josh in chicago here.

even if you missed the bit where they deliberately chose to go to that house after they arrive at the house they are still planning on murdering the inhabitants! tex refers to himself as the devil while brandishing again, they chase rick's wife with a knife. it's reasonable to kill people doing this to you.

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 16 August 2019 21:34 (two days ago) link

"brandishing a gun"

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 16 August 2019 21:34 (two days ago) link

I meant that there was no even trying to talk them out of what they were doing by saying "you've got the wrong house, dude" or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:55 (two days ago) link

There was no right house for any inhabitants to argue that, though: Charlie already knew that Melcher had left almost a year earlier

it's not that important but it IS a massive coincidence

I meant to add that there was still a huge element of coincidence, so that I didn't sound like I was dismissing your reaction! But the whole film is strung together on coincidences - that Cliff keeps seeing Pussycat, that Tate happens across a theater showing her flick, that the hippies are living on a ranch Cliff used to work at, that Randy is stunt coordinator on Bounty Law so Cliff is left driving around idly that day, that the plot of the pulp novel Rick is reading happens to align with his own career AND a random stranger asks him about it SO he has an emotional breakdown/breakthrough... plus the IRL coincidence that the up-and-coming pregnant actress wife of a notable director happened to have moved into a house that Charlie Manson happened to have a resentment toward.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:10 (two days ago) link

Most of Tarantino's plots are largely hung on coincidences, apart from the straight revenge drive of Kill Bill?

In Dogs, Mr White just happens to have taken a younger robber under his wing out of some paternal motivation, and then just happens to be paired on the job with a colleague who's apparently been turned into an irrational psycho by a stint carrying a bag in jail.

In Pulp, Jules and Vincent just happen to be chilling in the diner when Honey Bunny and Tim Roth rob it; Alexis Arquette just happened to have missed them with every shot in the apartment; the gun just happened to go off when Vincent was talking to Marvin in the car; Vincent just happens to be taking a shit & reading Modesty Blaise when Butch comes back; Marcellus just happens to have popped out for lunch and just happens to be crossing the street when Butch is leaving; they just happen to stumble into a shop owned by some possibly-white-supremacist S&M rapists; Mia just happens to be a coke fiend being guarded by someone who just happens to be a user of a different unlabelled powder; etc etc etc

In Dusk Til Dawn, the Geckos just happen to take refuge in a bar that's open all night for the clientele's particular preferences.

In the second half of Death Proof, the film crew just happen to be fake test driving a car on remote roads when a woman-hating road racer happens to be driving the same road

In Django, Jamie Foxx's Django happens across Waltz on a horse, which sets the whole story in motion.

In H8ful, a blizzard makes Sam Jackson stumble across Kurt Russell (almost on a horse), and then Russell & Jackson stumble across Goggins, and then trap all three of them in a single room with a crime gang who intended to pull an ambush in town.

Jackie Brown plays around with this - nearly everybody has a scheme going that they're trying to pull off without anyone noticing, but Jackie and Max try to unloop the schemes by pulling an elaborate fake coincidence, with the dressing-room shell game.

(I don't remember Inglorious well; have never rewatched.)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:19 (two days ago) link

tate's film was new in theaters and she set out to see it, i thought. and it's plausible that leo is continuing to read the novel because he subconsciously identifies with "easy breezy."

it's the cliff stuff that makes it a big coincidence: easy to imagine that some stuntman stumbled on spahn ranch (lots of people went out there at least once, seemingly, but a guy who used to know spahn might have stuck around and scratched deeper into the surface, sure), and easy to imagine that tate and polansky had a recognizably famous neighbor who might've gone out and drunkenly yelled at what he perceived as some loud hippies that night. the movie's major what-if is, what if those worlds had crossed over by the ranch-visiting guy being best buds with the yelling-at-hippies guy? and that's not much of a stretch REALLY: i'm most of the way through the longworth miniseries and realizing how many second- and third-tier Young Hollywood types actually did encounter manson in some fashion. for that matter, you could also imagine this story where cliff and dick are younger, cliff is a little less square, and he meets the mansonites at a crazy party at dennis wilson's house. but of course then you lose the whole aging-old-hollywood stuff, the mini-generation-gap between the Korean War vet generation and the boomers.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:28 (two days ago) link

good recollection sic. yeah he generally doesn't go in for plots where things lead in to other things. more of a, this scene produces this change in this *character*, so now that informs way they act in the next situation that arrives in their laps, the choices they make. pulp fiction, with the biggest pile of coincidences listed above, does this very very effectively with jackson's and willis's characters. and if the movie can be said to thematize people making choices in response to crazy, wild, pulpish events, then maybe it's a great match of this kind of storytelling with this specific material. if it's really a major interest of his as a storyteller then we could maybe identify others where it works better or worse.

like, the only one i've seen where the plotting is completely ruinous is hateful eight. i complained abt this in the relevant thread but that whole movie is, we're just locked in a room with a bunch of people, and stuff happens when it's time for it to happen and in between we're waiting. crisis comes about not because events have built to that moment, but because jackson decides it's time to share some new information about the stew.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:38 (two days ago) link

finally seeing this tomorrow

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 22:44 (two days ago) link

she set out to see it, i thought.

nah, it's definitely a coincidence that she happens across that marquee. it's possible that having been out of the country for weeks, she's not even super-aware of it being in release

and it's plausible that leo is continuing to read the novel because he subconsciously identifies with "easy breezy."

tbh it looks to be about 94pp, it's not like he's wading through
Infinite Jest over 14 months

either way it takes the conversation with Pumkin Pie to actually bring it forward

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:48 (two days ago) link

we're just locked in a room with a bunch of people, and stuff happens when it's time for it to happen and in between we're waiting. crisis comes about not because events have built to that moment, but because jackson decides it's time to share some new information about the stew.

ha ha sure. but H8ful is built like a play where the point is just to let everybody show off and give page-long speeches. and the locked-room portion takes place pretty much in real time, so you're only waiting while Jackson listens to everyone else and figures out how to leverage what he knows.

(that said I don't remember the stew reveal, unlike the jelly bean clues, the not-to-standard coffee tension, and then the crisis kicking off when another batch of now-poisoned coffee makes Kurt Russell's neck explode.)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:58 (two days ago) link

if it's really a major interest of his as a storyteller then we could maybe identify others where it works better or worse.

I'm for sure interested in tracking this now. iirc True Romance pretty much runs on a this-action-leads-to-that-situation engine, even with branches splitting off and rejoining, and Natural Born Killers is all driven by the leads' actions, which in this context might speak to his disinterest in returning to those stories once he'd directed Dogs.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 23:03 (two days ago) link

sic i'd want to draw a distinction between something being UNLIKELY i.e. Vincent being in the bathroom, many of your other examples; and coincidental because i do think the is a pretty fundamental difference (tho it is late and I'm struggling to articulate it)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 August 2019 23:28 (two days ago) link

I know heroin causes constipation but it might have been a couple of days since he took a shit in the diner later in the movie

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 23:49 (two days ago) link

(do come back and articulate it when rested! thread isn't going anywhere)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 23:49 (two days ago) link

the stew reveal was the one that broke the camel's back for me but i don't know if it was worse/stupider than anyone else. but basically the movie masquerades as having some kind of finely-tuned puzzle logic, and then "one of these people isn't who they say they are" turns out to mean "unbeknownst to the audience i've eaten the stew here before and this isn't their usual recipe." like wow way to craft a locked-room potboiler there quentin.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:00 (yesterday) link

so it feels right that the normal rules don't apply

you guys should all watch Beatty's Rules Don't Apply btw

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:05 (yesterday) link

made by a fully grown adult

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:06 (yesterday) link

The ranch scene had some tension to it at least. The diCap / child actor BS though, that was some weak sauce

calstars, Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:07 (yesterday) link

I bet QT was all about Rules Don't Apply...

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:16 (yesterday) link

"unbeknownst to the audience i've eaten the stew here before and this isn't their usual recipe."

oh nah, Jackson keeps saying he knows things are wrong before he even gets into the building! the back & forth with the Mexican non-chef in the stables almost comes to guns drawn

the whole movie is just a showcase for ham though. each reveal is more an excuse for Jackson or Russell or Goggins or Leigh to crank it a few more notches over the top, rather than an intricate puzzle piece

(obv anyone is welcome to hate it on those grounds! but it feels to me like after the multiple hamfests in Basterds & Django he decided to just get story out of the way & hang up a canvas backdrop for ppl to chew scenery in front of. now it’s out of his system & he could do a leisurely all-real-location* hang sesh with Once Upon.)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:17 (yesterday) link

finally saw it.

thoughts going in: jesus the last thing anyone needs is another fkn manson thing

thoughts coming out: I have never enjoyed anything Tarantino has done more than I enjoyed this

more later but basically I am a VG truther now is how I break it down to an extent

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:18 (yesterday) link

*Cliff’s trailer is almost certainly a set, Spain’s bedroom could be, and the Western sets are of course sets irl. But not much else?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:19 (yesterday) link

hrmmm well it's been a while since i've seen H8 but i'll defer to you... i just remember being annoyed by the stew thing at the time. the "great cast hamming" thing i would buy, but it'd help if the dialogue were more interesting or if anybody created any really memorable characters. as soon as it was over i forgot so much of that movie....

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:48 (yesterday) link

The diCap / child actor BS though, that was some weak sauce


Yeah that scene went on forever and was supposed to be an important moment for the character but Jesus it was not good.

circa1916, Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:53 (yesterday) link

counterpoint: sure it was

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:03 (yesterday) link

somehow rick's sober and dressed well and looking great after a night where he's torched a woman with a flamethrower and dead drunk.

This seemed like deliberate movie logic, part of the fantasy, when we find that we’re actually in a shaggy Burt Reynolds-like action comedy instead of a serial-killer movie.

... (Eazy), Saturday, 17 August 2019 03:20 (yesterday) link

(Not unlike Uma Thurman on a plane with her giant sword in the final shot of part one of Kill Bill.)

... (Eazy), Saturday, 17 August 2019 03:26 (yesterday) link

That sorta thing makes sense in Kill Bill, which is a total cartoon from beginning to end.

Was holding back groans through the climax of this. Not only recycling his Inglorious Basterds trick, it’s tonally completely out of place, dumb in not a good way (flamethrower was the cherry), and it cemented the weird Conservative bent that flows through the whole thing.

I liked things about this, but honestly don’t get the full on love it’s getting.

circa1916, Saturday, 17 August 2019 07:09 (yesterday) link

This seemed like deliberate movie logic, part of the fantasy

i agree with you! and said so! i liked this aspect of it!

i think a lot of the full-on love, at least from where i'm sitting, is how generous it feels. it just lets you unspool time with these characters in this place. you could watch a documentary about hollywood c-listers in the late 60s, or read a biography of one of them, but neither would really get you inside the place like this does.

i'm not quite getting the 'conservative' thing?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 09:10 (yesterday) link

IT'S THE REAL DON STEEL SHOW, STILL SUCKIN' "EM IN

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 17 August 2019 13:40 (yesterday) link

the movie feels conservative because Rick and Cliff are anti-hippie and because Tarantino's 1969 Hollywood doesn't seem to belong to the same California as the Watts riots, the RFK assassination, Gov. Reagan vs. People's Park, etc. ... that's a legit way to portray Hollywood's perception of itself, but it also reinforces the reactionary theme of two aging white guys struggling with change

Brad C., Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:39 (yesterday) link

Doc otm about H8ful, film is poorly conceived from start to finish, the actors cant save it cuz they have almost nothing to work with. It fails as a western, as a locked room potboiler, as a play-on-film.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:55 (yesterday) link

But it does succeed at taking a great cast, a great setting and 70 mm and making it boring.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:20 (yesterday) link

Lol exactly

Οὖτις, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:27 (yesterday) link

did either of you watch it on 70mm

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:57 (yesterday) link

Cant imagine how that would improve the experience. Does the totally boring set that 90% of the movie takes place on look 10x better?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:01 (yesterday) link

I enjoyed the Netflix serial for a rewatch but I’d say the 70mm projection looked at least seven times better

nbd if anyone disagrees but it’s pointless to specifically disparage an element you didn’t actually see amongst legit personal criticisms or dislikes

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 18 August 2019 00:30 (one hour ago) link


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