Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

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Well, here we go.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/quentin-tarantino-prepping-new-movie-tackling-manson-murders-1020165

Barely any details there except that it's coming together.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:15 (two years ago) link

huh

does not really sound like a good idea tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:16 (two years ago) link

sounds like it *could* be a good idea, you read so much about the aura around L.A. during this period and the spookiness of these murders (and other crimes of the era) and the whole sinister vibe surrounding so much of celebrity culture (and the spookiness of the hills, which was so heavy it even permeated the L.A. parts of "Mad Men" even without anything being explicitly mentioned.) but it would take another director who's capable of pulling that off.

nomar, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (two years ago) link

otoh another opportunity for Tarantino to liberally use the n-word

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (two years ago) link

Have to say that Karina Longworth's deep dive into it all was the first time I ever really paid attention to the full sweep of the story. Scroll to the bottom for the first one, work your way along -- very illuminating. (And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino heard this and that's what gave him a new spark to pursue this, etc.)

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:25 (two years ago) link

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

nickn, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:07 (two years ago) link

I seem to recall Tarantino talking about the Manson murders in a TV interview years ago. Considering his love of that era of films and stuff, I'm sure Helter Skelter the book and movie was something he probably read and saw as a kid.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:13 (two years ago) link

How has QT avoided Charlie up until now? They were made to mate and produce offspring.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:26 (two years ago) link

There's an image.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:31 (two years ago) link

I couldn't find it online, but I swear that thing with Tarantino and Manson coming up might have been on an old episode of Politically Incorrect. It was some type of panel show where Manson came up as a topic.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:46 (two years ago) link

Why the hell not? At least it isn't set pre-1965.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:02 (two years ago) link

(Rob Zombie and Bret Easton Ellis were supposed to develop a mini-series in this vein years ago; I'd love for them to be involved somehow, and won't hold my breath for that.)

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:03 (two years ago) link

Ha, was about to come here and say this could go very bad and end up some Rob Zombie parade of grotesqueries.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:21 (two years ago) link

yeah, the fact that he'll be working around an actual event kind of throws me, and might impact the *enjoyment* of the film. Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (two years ago) link

(x)xpost

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (two years ago) link

Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:32 (two years ago) link

I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:40 (two years ago) link

time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:42 (two years ago) link

Reservoir Doges

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (two years ago) link

what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud

mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:45 (two years ago) link

xp why did you make me google it

http://i.imgur.com/Impkc8r.png

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:47 (two years ago) link

lol

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:48 (two years ago) link

QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?

DANIELA: QUENTIN.

QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?

http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg

QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:49 (two years ago) link

hahahaha

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:51 (two years ago) link

RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:52 (two years ago) link

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:33 (two years ago) link

Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship

pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:37 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.

Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:56 (two years ago) link

Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.

http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:59 (two years ago) link

There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:34 (two years ago) link

I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.

jmm, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:42 (two years ago) link

Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 05:59 (two years ago) link

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:50 (two years ago) link

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:56 (two years ago) link

Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:59 (two years ago) link

Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:02 (two years ago) link

He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:04 (two years ago) link

Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.

полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:10 (two years ago) link

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)

That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:16 (two years ago) link

I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:20 (two years ago) link

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:23 (two years ago) link

There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:24 (two years ago) link

they should adopt from "On His Own Words":

http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg

there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:30 (two years ago) link

Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?

— NOT RECONCILED (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:18 (two years ago) link

LOLLLLLLL

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:37 (two years ago) link

Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:

Cochise • 11 hours ago
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

Josefa, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:01 (two years ago) link

Can mods replace all morbz posts in this theead with https://youtu.be/0xGXeWVOtgM

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 August 2019 03:02 (three months ago) link

Are you saying u want to fuck Morbs

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 August 2019 03:04 (three months ago) link

just trying to help u out w/ further viewing, yer welcome

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 August 2019 10:56 (three months ago) link

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quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:41 (three months ago) link

omg that DGA convo looks awesome — thanks clemenza!!!

and mary ramos is a genius, i love hearing about how she works with QT, they have such a cool symbiotic relationship

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2019 00:11 (three months ago) link

I finally have enough free hours to go see this in a few days

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:32 (three months ago) link

This exchange from the DGA convo above made me imagine if DiCaprio had starred in Punch Drunk Love.

PTA: Leo is consistently–when he decides to be–the f*cking funniest actor in Hollywood. Right? When he flips that switch….

QT: But truly, what’s so funny about him is that he’s not playing it funny. He’s playing it so f*cking serious. And that’s what so ridiculous.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:13 (three months ago) link

Good interview with the author of one of my favorite Manson books, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family here, which briefly touches on the film.

I guess what I most want to say about Bugliosi is that he was some kind of genius: I’ve been shocked, in this summer of the 50th anniversary, to see how many of the folks in my social media bubble—good Leftists, anti-mass incarceration, et cetera—are still fully in Bugliosi’s thrall. The book—and miniseries—were huge: if you go back and reread the book and remember how it freaked you out when you were 12 it will be a disappointment. It’s pretty flat and has been passed on the highway by much gorier and detailed works. But Bugliosi’s logic—especially the “Helter Skelter” theory or apocalyptic race war—keeps getting repeated as gospel. By, like Boots Riley! Why could Boots Riley repeat what is essentially cop-knowledge-on-steroids? I know you know that Mekons line about how turning journalists into heroes takes some doing. So I’ll just leave this question by saying the same thing about Bugliosi: he turned himself into the hero of the story. And he really was a petty square who made his bones with this case and then appointed himself Big Boss of Manson. But he was just tall—compared to Manson. That’s all.

blatherskite, Friday, 30 August 2019 01:57 (three months ago) link

otm

Helter Skelter gives a good overview of the bungled investigation & the insanity of the trial proceedings but his argument was total bunk

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:16 (three months ago) link

Someone else will want to gleefully post this, so let me beat him to it:

http://letterboxd.com/jrosenbaum2002/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/

What is Rosenbaum's history with Tarantino? Maybe I'm wrong, but sounds like the film never had a chance.

clemenza, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:33 (three months ago) link

he's seen his crappy movies

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:57 (three months ago) link

Oh ziiiing

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:58 (three months ago) link

fuck can we send a crew to check tarantino after that ruthless hit

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:00 (three months ago) link

I liked it Morbs

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:02 (three months ago) link

incredibly I am not the only person on Earth who finds him morally and aesthetically reprehensible

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:36 (three months ago) link

really loved this. easy and breezy with an atmosphere of low hovering doom. california dreamin’

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 01:03 (three months ago) link

yesterday i sat next to a guy on the Tube who was watching:

1) a "cam" version of this i.e. recorded surreptitiously on a video camera at a movie theatre
2) on his phone
3) and he was impatiently fast-forwarding every few seconds. to get to the "good parts" i guess

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 06:51 (three months ago) link

prob just needed to get the gist of its politics so he could review it

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 07:15 (three months ago) link

lmao

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 07:39 (three months ago) link

lol

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 08:07 (three months ago) link

irl lol

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 09:16 (three months ago) link

Finally saw this, it was enjoyably breezy. Did NOT like the Bruce Lee scene at all (when I was a kid I idolized him, read a bunch of biographies, did martial arts for years, etc), especially when it came to people in the theater laughing at his Bruce Lee noises + getting emasculated by Pitt. And I'm in the camp that did not feel much (if any) catharsis at the end, the same trick that was so powerful in Inglorious Basterds didn't work for me here. Most of my emotional involvement had to do with the dog aka the best character, particularly when I thought Brad Pitt had been shot in the head at the end (what would that dog do without him?!).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:57 (three months ago) link

Took my bathroom break during the Bruce Dern scene, did I miss anything?

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:57 (three months ago) link

hot foot action

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:02 (three months ago) link

Old man feet would have been a nice change from hippie girl feet

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:05 (three months ago) link

A+ cowboy wallpaper

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 01:51 (three months ago) link

re : the Bruce Lee scene, I dunno, I've grown loving his movies and admiring him but I found the sequence silly and funny.
It's OK and sound to mock people you admire/respect imo (+ QT made a 2 volume movie basically in homage to BL and the whole genre...).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:47 (three months ago) link

i liked that bruce lee kept reappearing through the movie in brief training scenes, movie felt like it had more affection for him than reported

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:14 (three months ago) link

I just saw this. I wasn’t in a hurry but ended up loving it. I think the ending was more effective than Inglorious Bastards. I genuinely didn’t know what was going to happen.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:19 (three months ago) link

For soundtrack fiends, here's almost two hours of music performances in megacut form from Playboy After Dark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWek-2LG7w

Bunch of things I hadn't seen before: Marvin Gaye doing "Chained"; Canned Heat not long before Al Wilson's death; an earlier Steppenwolf clip than the one I linked upthread; a very awkward intro to the Cowsills; and Jackie DeShannon being backed by a young Barry White.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 September 2019 16:18 (three months ago) link

The only full-audience laugh was when Leo asked how to make the flame thrower less hot, which actually was pretty funny

fremmes with neppavenettes (rip van wanko), Saturday, 7 September 2019 16:49 (three months ago) link

we had a much livelier audience, they were laughing at everything including the bloodshed O_o

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:39 (three months ago) link

I laughed at the bloodshed too, partly surprised bark at the audacity/extremity, mainly the fact that the whole scene is explicitly comic from start to finish

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:43 (three months ago) link

also the bit where Cliff turns on the light switch, which works especially well in a darkened theater

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:12 (three months ago) link

My showing was packed and laughs abounded.

On reflection I'm finding that I remember this movie as being very dumb, though I enjoyed it while watching, ho hum.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:15 (three months ago) link

Really thought that violence explosion at the end to be the corniest, dorkiest, low level thing. Like so eager for Hell Yeah’s. Felt spectacularly dumb.

circa1916, Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:26 (three months ago) link

tyvm for that link, even though I have now listened to two Grateful Dead songs in my life

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 19:56 (two months ago) link

legend was that the Dead, who were known for such tricks, dosed all the coffee pots at the Playboy taping

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 21:19 (two months ago) link

the camera was dosed for sure

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 22:55 (two months ago) link

Barbi Benton playing with her tongue and forgetting how to introduce Sonny & Cher = same energy as Pete Waterman drenched in sweat and forgetting how to introduce Carl Cox

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:00 (two months ago) link

Lots more soundtrack talk in this huge chunk of outtakes from Kim Morgan's Sight & Sound interview, inc.

One of the best recycling of scores in this movie that I’m really proud of is, there’s this great theme and it’s only used in one scene in Lamont Johnson’s terrific western Cattle Annie and Little Britches, it’s got this great music bit when the Doolin-Dalton gang actually enter the town for the first time and I thought, I wanna use that bit in this movie. And so my music supervisor Mary Ramos, she’s magnificent, she just finds all this stuff but she couldn’t find anything for that… and all I had, I don’t think it’s ever been out on DVD, I just had not only an old video cassette of it, like a Good Times video cassette of it, which means it was done in the six hour mode… and so I took my audio from the cassette and there’s even talking during the some of the musical sequence and my musical editor had to cut it out and he did – he did a good job with it. And so, we kind of made it work for one sequence. But then Mary my music supervisor talked to the composer of it and he said, “Look I don’t have any masters or anything – of any of the things we recorded, but I wrote the piece. I know the piece. Would you like me to do an acoustic version on the guitar and I’ll send it to you?” (claps hands) “Fuck yeah!” So, he just did his own acoustic version with a guitar, put it on file, send it to us. That’s the music we use when Tex Watson rides up to confront Cliff.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 19 September 2019 20:43 (two months ago) link

I want the movie to be extremely realistic, but the “Once Upon a Time…” suggests that it’s taking place in a vaguely alternative universe. Not that I wanna make a big deal about that, but it is. And I think, when you think, “Once Upon a Time,” that is part of the implication. So, I didn’t want to do anything super big – but I wanted to have little tiny touches, of, “Oh, OK, if you’re hip enough, you got it.” And one of the things that I thought would be kind of cool is …one of my absolutely favorite imaginary bands is The Carrie Nations from Russ Meyer’s Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. And so, I thought it would be kind of cool at some point that they’re driving around and “Look on Up from the Bottom” plays, and the announcer says, “OK, that’s the Carrie Nations, those girls are just tearing it up!” And so, if you’re hip enough to catch it, you’re thinking, the Carrie Nations weren’t a real band, so ultimately this isn’t real…

Now imagining an alternate Beyond the Valley of the Dolls where Terry Melcher manages the Carrie Nations instead of Z-Man, and Charlie orders the remnants of the Family to kill the band when their attempt on Tate/Rick fails...

blatherskite, Thursday, 19 September 2019 23:00 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Sony recently confirmed that Brad Pitt would be campaigned for Best Supporting Actor, leaving DiCaprio to to run for Best Actor without facing competition from his co-star

other way around imo

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:21 (one month ago) link

Yeah definitely.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:51 (one month ago) link

the Oscars deserve em

Ad Astra? too good

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:23 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5d_q0on8xY

... (Eazy), Saturday, 30 November 2019 06:55 (one week ago) link

swoon

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 November 2019 07:39 (one week ago) link


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