Our Style Is Wild And You Know You Can't Tame Us: GLOW on Netflix

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Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 05:56 (two years ago) link

I am seven episodes in and loving every minute <3

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 05:57 (two years ago) link

it's fantastic

Mordy, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:18 (two years ago) link

great thread title

evol j, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:22 (two years ago) link

:D thanks!

imo I enjoyed the early episodes but I felt like the show improved expontentially once Ruth found her character; it's like you know it's coming but it takes a while to get there.

I really love the casting of Brodus Clay & Carlito as Macchu Picchu's brothers, that whole backyard training scene + montage was terrific

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 18:24 (two years ago) link

i was discussing the show w/ my barber yesterday + she said she used to watch GLOW Saturday mornings when she was a kid

Mordy, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:29 (two years ago) link

love the lucha underground cameos. johnny mundo in the first ep. in the ep i just saw the heel they see at the wrestling show is joey ryan.

Mordy, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:32 (two years ago) link

yeah i looked up Joey because I thought i recognized him - i didn't catch johnny mundo tho

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 18:34 (two years ago) link

he's the trainer they get rid of really quickly. i had a hard time recognizing him since mundo is so full of vigor + personality and his char was pretty mellow.

Mordy, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

i thought the trainer was John Morrison

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

lol duh nvm

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 18:36 (two years ago) link

This was really good. Only three episodes left to watch. For some reason I felt like this had a very Cheers-y vibe. Not just because Alison Brie does an extended Diane Chambers impression for the first half. Just something about the lovable loser-iness of it. Also Stacey and Dawn are clearly Cliff and Norm.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:39 (two years ago) link

I'm so glad this thread is here, thank you VG

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 30 June 2017 19:13 (two years ago) link

I totally didn't recognize Carlito until I started reading episode recaps

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 30 June 2017 19:14 (two years ago) link

his triangle hair made me lol

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 20:15 (two years ago) link

I've yet to really get into this, partially because I watched the documentary first and it was so good. Watching the first episode of this felt like an inferior product, but I'm probably wrong

Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 30 June 2017 21:10 (two years ago) link

it's heavily fictionalized, so the real story is only the barest of a framework for the netflix show

it's almost better if you just watch it as fiction. kinda like orange is the new black: that had very little to do with the actual story of the actual woman who was in prison, and was just a jumping off point for all kinds of made up lols

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 21:13 (two years ago) link

This show has renewed my faith in Alison Brie bc I really liked her but I think her characters in Mad Men and Community were kinda underwritten so it wasn't clear how talented she really was but, maybe bc it's not made by men, in GLOW she's extraordinary & undeniable.

Mordy, Friday, 30 June 2017 23:13 (two years ago) link

agree

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 June 2017 23:55 (two years ago) link

I am not ashamed to say that I teared up when they played "Invincible" in the final ep <3

- I love how Debbie is so beaten down & sad in all the non-wrestling scenes but in the ring she radiates strength & confidence & beauty

- same with Ruth, she's weird & awkward & detached & doesnt fit anywhere and carries herself like a middle-schooler and then turns into this freaking POWER-BEACON as Zoya

- i love how the emotional beats of the story are economical, the actors sell the moments so well but nothing is overdone or melodramatic...it all feels earned & human

goddamn i love this show

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 July 2017 06:32 (two years ago) link

Easily the best TV of the year so far. Alison Brie is phenomenal but it's a great ensemble and it manages to be uplifting without being mawkish. I Think VG says it better, though.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 1 July 2017 09:49 (two years ago) link

i wasn't sold on this until the sudden leap into fantasy at the end of ep one, but then i liked it enough that i watched it all in a week, which is more television than i watch in most months

highlight for me was maron's sad esprit d'escalier at his typewriter at the open of the third episode. at leasy humor-wise. a lot of the debbie-ruth interactions were just heartbreaking. betty gilpin phenomenally good, the scene at the wrestling match where her facial expression transitions from 'not feeling this' to 'gets it' to 'thirsty' just amazing

something about the show's register that bugged me. i kept expecting scenes to resolve with 'character embarrasses themselves' as the joke. then found their actions implausibly succeeding. particularly in the penultimate episode, the whole plot of that v wackety-schmackety-doo.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 1 July 2017 11:02 (two years ago) link

Started out very A League of their GLOWn. (I assume that's been invoked upthread?) but we were quickly sold, and I was surprised at both how much I liked or empathized with characters I thought I might hate (like the James Spader yuppie guy) and how impressed I was by the quality of the acting across the board.

If I were Netflix, I would start green-lighting as many shows set in the '80s as possible.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 July 2017 14:35 (two years ago) link

Good, otm writeup by Nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/the-glitzy-verve-of-glow-and-claws

Arguments break out immediately, and they continue to roll through the show, even as we get the requisite training montages and behind-the-scenes drama: Is it O.K. to act out a crass stereotype if it makes you a star? How about if you get paid a ton? What if your performance is genuinely funny? Is it subversive—or cathartic, or even therapeutic—to expose the ugliest ways people see you? Or is that just an excuse you make because it’s better than being ignored?

Unlike other eighties-pastiche series, such as “Red Oaks” and even the terrific “Stranger Things,” “glow” feels like it’s set in the actual eighties, not a dream board of eighties movies

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 1 July 2017 15:13 (two years ago) link

the yuppie is played by chris lowell, who played piz (the pitchfork intern to be) on VERONICA MARS

maura, Saturday, 1 July 2017 16:07 (two years ago) link

Ha. He looked to me like Nick Rhodes.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 July 2017 16:09 (two years ago) link

oh shit

PIZ

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 July 2017 16:23 (two years ago) link

Was pretty interested in this but it's uh... super mediocre?

I thought I liked Alison Brie too but maybe I don't. Jesus.

*quietly slides out of thread*

circa1916, Saturday, 1 July 2017 18:30 (two years ago) link

a netflix original is super mediocre?

||||||||, Saturday, 1 July 2017 19:24 (two years ago) link

yeah idk thought the subject matter was pretty ripe

circa1916, Saturday, 1 July 2017 19:51 (two years ago) link

Binged all 10 eps in one sitting. LOVED IT! Much of what I loved has already been covered better in the thread, but I think maybe the most genius moment was Sam finding out 'Mothers and Lovers' had already been made with a bigger budget.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 00:47 (two years ago) link

Unlike other eighties-pastiche series, such as “Red Oaks” and even the terrific “Stranger Things,” “glow” feels like it’s set in the actual eighties, not a dream board of eighties movies

This was not my feeling at all. There are even dumb jokes about Steve Gutenberg or whatever

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:08 (two years ago) link

I thought this show would be better, cuz he milieu is so fascinating and the characters are interesting and has good actors but it's just not working for me. I feel like it started to look at what makes wrestling interesting but then drops it...I feel like these characters probably would have been much more interested in wrestling than is depicted, like, they were passionate about it!

Also the lead character feels like a one dimensional joke on "serious actress" and not in a way that's funny or interesting. Also reminds me too much of piper from oitnb

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:12 (two years ago) link

The 80s-ness didn't seem overdone imo. Since at least half the show took place in a non-descript gray gym or in old-ass motel rooms, there wasn't a whole lot of period-specific scenery to deal with. (I thought Stranger Things was really good at this as well.)

Somebody wrote a thing at Pitchfork the other day about the music selections and how unique they were, and I gotta call bullshit on that. I LOVE most of the music that was used, but let's not pretend that Howard Jones and Journey took a whole lot of thought.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:20 (two years ago) link

agree

music supervisor said he just leaned into the stuff he liked back then & didnt try to overthink it

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:27 (two years ago) link

GLOW is mostly about women figuring out who they are .. and wrestling

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:34 (two years ago) link

Agree. I think if you just want to watch a bunch of characters thrown together, given almost no depth, you should probably be watching actual wrestling.

As someone who listens to Maron talk three hours a week, every week, I actually found myself using him as an anchor while I focused on learning about everyone else. There was a moment when I thought they were going to give characters flashbacks a la Orange Is The New Black, but it was really just Sheila doing the wolf thing. Maybe flashbacks help, maybe they don't. I feel like I know OITNB characters better than I do these women, but maybe learning about them more organically is okay.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:40 (two years ago) link

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol... if you say so?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:09 (two years ago) link

I can imagine that this show is more entertaining than pro wrestling itself, as most things on the face of the earth are.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:11 (two years ago) link

mr veg hates wrestling more than almost anything (some of our worst arguments when we first got together were about my love for & his hateed of wrestling lol ) he totally dug it
to be fair, he was a fan of alison brie & maron already. but he also had zero expectations going in

if you come in wanting some deep exploration wrestling & wall to wall dope moves you will be disappointed is all i'm saying

but there are dope moves :D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:24 (two years ago) link

I'm more interested in their relationship to the world of wrestling than seeing wall to wall wrestling fwiw

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:29 (two years ago) link

There is no relationship yet. They're a tiny operation that doesn't even get on television for the first time until the last sequence of the last episode, and even then it's only on a small cable channel between two strange shows.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:34 (two years ago) link

yeah they might explore more of that in the next season

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:37 (two years ago) link

Really can't tell if i should bother w this or not. I def watched GLOW as a kid otoh I hated Stranger Things and netflix has yet to produce a really solid show imo

Οὖτις, Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:39 (two years ago) link

I didn't watch GLOW as a kid, but I thought the doc a few years ago was neat and I like Maron and Alison Brie and came to really like everyone else in it. Plus, the episodes are short, so you don't have much to lose.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:51 (two years ago) link

I wanted to like this far more than I actually did. The acting is pretty good (Kate Nash excepted, who is dreadful) but every single plot beat is telegraphed way in advance so after 10 minutes you can tell exactly what the cliffhanger will be.

Maron and Brie are the standouts (and have a totally unresolved sexual tension in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end) and have some great lines.

As stated above, the 80s feels totally thrown at it (for example this is
summer 85 - Back To The Future has just been released - and Hair Metal didn't really become a thing until the autumn of 86 with the Bon Jovi reference specifically a year out; alternatively, the aerobics craze started in gyms in the late 70s - the ONJ single Physical was 81 and Jane Fonda at home was 82, both of them felt like death knells and it was gone in 83) which chimes with the music supervisor's quote above.

It was an entertaining enough dramedy and I'll watch the next season, but it's very much a tier 2 Netflix commission.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 2 July 2017 08:52 (two years ago) link

in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end

Maybe I'm a dummy and didn't pick up on some clues, but the real surprise of the series was when Sam finds out [redacted] is [redacted].

Sam and Ruth having an adult relationship that doesn't involve sex is the kind of thing that should happen in tv more imo.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 13:46 (two years ago) link

Yes, and that's why it was surprising they went that way with Sam & Ruth.

Sam the [redacted] is completely trope-tastic and a mainstay of teen fiction. Telegraphed from the episode where [redacted] shows in-depth knowledge of his film history, but also by "how old are you?" in ep 1 and the fact that they're the only one that has a relationship outside of the main cast.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 2 July 2017 13:54 (two years ago) link

Mulder & Scully, Don & Joan, Leslie & Ron...these are all the most compelling type of tv relationship, so I'm looking forward to Sam & Ruth continuing the legacy.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:01 (two years ago) link

Oh man, this Betty Gilpin-written piece is fucking fantastic:

http://www.glamour.com/story/glow-star-betty-gilpin-what-its-like-to-have-pea-sized-confidence-with-watermelon-sized-boobs

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:16 (two years ago) link

that's a lot of 'really's :(

Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 August 2018 12:38 (one year ago) link

I never knew Bash was/could be short for Sebastian. I had never heard it before but then watched Anne with an E after and they also have a character named Bash.

Yerac, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

my favorite Bash moment was the whispered "we can afford TWO more injuries"

sleeve, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:25 (one year ago) link

We have a neighbor kid named Sebastian who goes by Bash.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:42 (one year ago) link

loved the show within a show episode. was thinking about starting a career in kidnapping, but now, thanks to GLOW, I know kidnapping is bad!

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 August 2018 15:08 (one year ago) link

“When my son Randy was born, he looked just like me. It was surreal. Like, late at night, I would look down at this tiny bald version of myself screaming with my nipple in his mouth. And then sometimes I would wipe his balls and be like, “am I wiping my balls,” you know?”

omar little, Monday, 6 August 2018 17:41 (one year ago) link

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 August 2018 17:54 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Finally watched this season, damn it was great. I love that NOBODY phones it in on this show, no matter how little they're given to do. And they tread such a careful line between being-the-thing and being-a-parody-of-the-thing, esp. when you see the "production values" of the show-within-a-show.

That Ruth/Debbie fight in the hospital . . . man, it actually felt *dangerous* to me, like few scenes that are just two characters yelling at each other can be. The whole time I was just internally screaming about how much worse it could get.

Eliza D., Tuesday, 21 August 2018 15:38 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

aw hell yeah

God may judge you but his sins outnumber your own. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:23 (two months ago) link

wish season 3 was coming sooner I could really use it right now

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:32 (two months ago) link

geena davis in season 3!!!!

maura, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 00:58 (two months ago) link

oh god this will make my LIFE

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 01:15 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

hi!

Today he dances jazz, but tomorrow he will sell his homeland (seandalai), Saturday, 10 August 2019 11:40 (one week ago) link

Three episodes in, still great. Even though I don't care about Sam/Ruth, and I still don't know much about half the characters beyond "she got fired once and then came back".

Today he dances jazz, but tomorrow he will sell his homeland (seandalai), Saturday, 10 August 2019 11:57 (one week ago) link

Three episodes in myself, they're killing it.

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:52 (one week ago) link

went to start the new series, turned out we never finished the last two eps of S2

they were fun!

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:44 (one week ago) link

Wait is S3 out?

Οὖτις, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:46 (one week ago) link

You're not too far behind. Just premiered Friday.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:52 (one week ago) link

Just finished S3. They must feel really confident about getting a S4, because that would be an awful way to end a series.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:07 (one week ago) link

it's S3 of a Netflix series, there's no possible way they were confident about it

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:31 (one week ago) link

There's a lot more (confidence in the) nudity, plus the 'we don't actually need to di any in-ring scenes' thing may count as confidence?

nashwan, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:57 (one week ago) link

Yeah, the actual wrestling content this year was close to ZERO.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:16 (one week ago) link

I found myself hoping for more in-ring stuff, and then they did the Christmas episode and that wasn't what I wanted at all. I guess the characters didn't have in-ring storylines this season, but I wish they would play up the weird kayfabe/irl relationship dualities that really occur in wrestling. That said, it's still a great show and I love it.

I heard that viewers watching a series through to completion is what matters most in getting a show renewed on Netflix, and since you can watch a whole season of GLOW in five hours, it probably scores quite well on that front.

It took me this long to work out that Rhonda is played by Kate Nash.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 09:26 (one week ago) link

there's something v agreeable in the balance of this show, how no one's completely got their act together, nearly everyone's a bit of an arsehole occasionally but not too much of an arsehole, and the underlying strength of the group dynamic keeps kicking in. cld do with more wrestling but the switching episode was really fun, esp debbie as zoya. debbie was so much fun all round in this series, the character has blossomed and she stole the show

ogmor, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 09:49 (one week ago) link

I lost interest in this halfway into S2

The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:25 (one week ago) link

3 episodes in, am I imagining it or is there far more nudity this season? Feels a lot more gratuitous if not.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:52 (one week ago) link

Seems like it, but I've never rewatched S1-S2 after inital viewings.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:44 (one week ago) link

only got through ep 2 and am bummed they are apparently going the full-on Sam + Diane/will they-won't they? route :(

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 15:17 (one week ago) link

Diane + Coach more like :/

nashwan, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 15:23 (one week ago) link

Stick with it - I don’t think it’s so clear cut as that. Still, I’m somehow really invested in their story. The characters’ flawedness plus their chemistry carries it and I find them quite sympathetic.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:18 (one week ago) link

agree they're both compelling characters, but one of the things I liked best about this show was having their relationship at the center as one of platonic mutual respect/antagonism

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:34 (one week ago) link

this def picks up whenever it focuses on the intersection of the wrestling act w their real life. Awesome Kong's "All That Jazz" morning routine reference was nice, that was a good episode.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

the ethnic studies/group bonding ep in the desert was... oy vey

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 19:50 (one week ago) link

this season is bumming me out

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:54 (three days ago) link

Yeah, the actual wrestling content this year was close to ZERO.

When the stories are focusing on the characters, this is fine, but it means the show falls over completely whenever they do go to the ring. e only see them wrestling when they change the show - swapping roles, playing A Christmas Carol - but the changes mean nothing to the TV viewer, since we haven't seen the regular show at all. The wrestlers have suddenly gone from wrestling a new story every week to performing the same piece eight times a week, and we have no idea how this affects any of them: their emotional journeys are completely disconnected from it.

Carmen FINALLY says she's dissatisfied, once, after performing it 2,900 times, but were most of the other non-pros instead happy to not have to develop their non-acting skills? Wasn't anyone frustrated that they'd spent a year learning to wrestle and getting better every week, only to throw that away? Wouldn't doing the exact same moves every week have greatly increased the chance of injury, to more than one of them? They take huge, recharging delight in the one night where they swap roles, but nobody has any other indication of boredom every other night of the year, and the delight doesn't lead to them trying to have fun - either for their sakes' or the audience's - by making any other changes or tweaks for another six months.

I still liked the season, but this was a really weird move, and sidelined one of the series' greatest strengths: being able to express the characters' personal and emotional struggles through metaphor that they generate themselves.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:15 (two days ago) link

being able to express the characters' personal and emotional struggles through metaphor that they generate themselves.

yeah, jettisoning this approach was a really bad idea. I didn't like this season at all tbh.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:18 (two days ago) link

also felt like all this focus on gay culture of the 80s kinda came out of nowhere and felt really shoehorned in. Like why did they bring in the whole drag performer/show thing?

The exception is Bash's storyline, which developed naturally from previous seasons and felt the most authentic and affecting.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:20 (two days ago) link

If the series hadn't brought the drag performer in, Bash's storyline of AIDS panic --> realising closetedness would have felt hideously unbalanced and shoehorned. The drag character also let them interact with another Vegas performer, and compare and contrast a successful show with a more marginalised one.

But this also felt unbalanced since they don't interact with ANY other performers in the entire city, even the dancers from the other show *in the same casino* as theirs.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:51 (two days ago) link

any thoughts on why Ruth turns down Debbie at the end? I didn't get that at all

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:33 (two days ago) link

I love these characters, and overall there was a lot to like about this season but it just felt so all over the place, almost manic with the number of plotlines they were juggling

not a huge fan of Maron but by god is he good in this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:57 (two days ago) link

Makes total sense, she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

Good season, very different but in ways that held onto the core principles of the show. Lots of the stuff with regards to racism and feminism and sexuality couldn’t be avoided at this point so when it went serious it was a tonal shift but I thought it worked. I think in the year of our lord 2019 they felt they had to take on some stuff more directly.

Bobby was a good addition, he assisted Sheila is coming to terms with shit too. The character was likable and felt correct for the era.

The acting on the show is generally superb but I think Betty Gilpin is phenomenal. To stand out on a show with Alison Brie as your costar is no small feat.

I also think it’s good to recognize that this show is trying something vv different and it’s so not made for golden age of showrunner tv fanboys. I love that fact. I don’t doubt you all recognize that of course. This is the anti-MRA shit I crave.

omar little, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:00 (two days ago) link

yeah overall I love it, it's got a good heart

similar to Red Oaks in that respect

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:12 (two days ago) link

she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

huh yeah okay that makes sense. Agree that Gilpin is a real standout.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:17 (two days ago) link

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:29 (two days ago) link

As an aside, I really love that the 2010s have been Toby Huss's playground. I never would have expected when watching Pete & Pete that the guy who played Artie, the Strongest Man in the World would be turning in some excellent dramatic character work 25 years later.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:33 (two days ago) link

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

this whole thing seemed to very closely mirror Joan's fling in the last season of Mad Men

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:57 (two days ago) link

think Ruth was also really struck/inspired by Carmen going off to chase her big wrestling dream

ogmor, Thursday, 22 August 2019 07:23 (yesterday) link

She sees Carmen go for what she wants/is fulfilled by, AND she just missed out on a role she thought she was a shoo-in for (& had earned through Sam knowing how talented / what a hard worker she was, not through their intimacy), AND Debbie comes at her as a power play.

Debbie wants her for her directing skill, but frames it as Ruth being a failure who needs to settle, not that her passion for acting is what helps her tell stories in the ring and through cameras. Probably she could have been won by praise in the latter vein, or maybe by a promise of collaboration & equity, but Debbie’s framing underlines that Debbie is The Man - Ruth’s only way to resist capital’s oppression in that moment is to withhold her labour.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:03 (yesterday) link

omar’s point abt comedy is also v relevant

this is otm too, love the way it happened so fast it’s basically off-screen:

He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:11 (yesterday) link


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