Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

Ah, early draft of Batman and the one that was eventually shot, I mean

Interesting Twitter thread:

'Woke Garbage': Fanboys Don't Like HBO's 'Watchmen' Because It Deals With Race and White Supremacy https://t.co/02NdZGiYE0 pic.twitter.com/3Vh5mNvKL1

— Atlanta Black Star (@ATLBlackStar) October 29, 2019

I don't buy it. Citing Metacritic comments is scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for an angle if you're looking for actual fans of whatever medium (comics, superheroes, HBO series) and their actual opinions -- it's all g4mergat3-style takedown bullshit. They're not fans in any real sense, they're moderately motivated contrarians moving from one complaint to another.

I agree the original tweet seems click-baity, but the discussion beneath it shows that the series is resonating

(I’ve only seen the show discussed ITT, so I’m interested when I run into conversation around it elsewhere)

If anyone wants some background on Tulsa 1921, there's a great lecture-using-a-sim-as-a-visual-aid video on it (this was my gateway drug into all of his other urbanism-explained vids, which I highly recommend if two-hour docs on public housing is your thing)

Oakeshit talking about getting abuse off twitter trolls ;; stay strong sister!

lol wrong thread!

that guy's youtube channel is excellent

hey so it turns out jeremy irons is who we thought he was.

the voice of 'scar' in the lion king.

holy shit jeremy irons is chiwetel ejiofor?

spoilers

funnily enough, Jeremy Iron's portrayal of this character is basically exactly how I imagine Jeremy Iron's own life is at his personal castle after reading this article:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/09/inside-kilcoe-castle-jeremy-irons-irish-castle

i would assume he probably treats his clone servants with a bit less cruelty, but otm

repeating myself, but that was a very leftovers-y episode with the single character focus and tight framing device...and just general aura of weirdness. great stuff.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had to put subtitles on. no matter how high the volume was, the voices were drowned out by music. what gives?

it's the first episode to solidly tie back to the comic by focusing on one of the characters from the source material

not sure I'm sold that they stuck it, but it was an interesting take

the flags around the Veidt castle seemed to strongly imply this is our Black Freighter side story, although it could have been a red herring

ppl treating this like a serious work by a clever thinker, not some dumb shit by an idiot, are working really hard to convince themselves

"If you were dating the most powerful being in the universe, how could you ever date someone else?" Damon Lindelof explains why Laurie’s Doctor Manhattan dildo is more than a sight gag: https://t.co/8r82aWG1uC #WatchmenHBO pic.twitter.com/4Jx9pLrGRC

— Decider (@decider) November 4, 2019

Otm

It's a reasonable question and the dildo was amusing. (And Jean Smart is great.)

sic have you even watched the show? or did you watch the Leftovers?

I thought this episode was exceptional again.

sic has made it clear that he's never going to watch this show

So judging from the conversation around this show, it is either brilliant or completely idiotic?

it is both

It's really, really entertaining but also kind of completely ridiculous. Some great performances and interesting detours that I'm not sure are going to pay off over the whole season.

it’s not really to the point how smart DL is or isn’t, and while I enjoy his work a lot he talks too much about it and rarely offers anything insightful that adds to my enjoyment. i’d recommend ignoring him!

i don't think it's idiotic at all. there are elements of it that are ridiculous but I don't think it's any more ridiculous than any other comic book story.

fair, it isn't idiotic, but in less-skilled hands it certainly could be

it's not stupid, it has smart friends!

It's a reasonable question

unless you read the comic

sic have you even watched the show?

I was 7 when I realised I didn’t need to re-read Lake Of Sharks any more. As a teenager, I waited for end-of-year 50%-off-backstock sales to catch up on Swamp Thing #141-171. I waited two years to borrow a friend’s TPB to read Twilight Children, having previously bought New Frontier In floppies and Absolute. I’m not going to scab now for someone who actively seeks out Abr4h4m Ri3sm4n for ethics advice, but I’m able to laugh at his thoughts in interviews when they are dumb thoughts.

there are elements of it that are ridiculous but I don't think it's any more ridiculous than any other comic book story.

you don’t think it’s any more ridiculous than The Walking Man or The Hospital Suite

you're reading the interviews, though

I meant it's not any more ridiculous than any other filmed/tv superhero story.

certainly not 'more ridiculous' than the original Watchmen comics.

I’m able to laugh at his thoughts in interviews when they are dumb thoughts.

you're in luck as he has no non-dumb interviews

Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that the uh apparatus (apparently) does not actually get used and she does in fact fuck a regular dude instead.

certainly not 'more ridiculous' than the original Watchmen comics

not sure how a comic book about comics is ridiculous

is this TV show about TV shows?

you're reading the interviews, though

after Moore’s son-in-law pointed out that Lindelof was doing 900 interviews a week where he went on & on about Moore as a workaround for AT&T official publicity being legally barred from doing so, I hadn’t clicked on anything else, but I had to know if that dildo was a photoshop joke or legit from the show

so I read some tweets responding to & quoting the interview instead of clicking

ah, well then

(and I open Vulture links in private browsing in case of Ri3sman)

Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that the uh apparatus (apparently) does not actually get used and she does in fact fuck a regular dude instead.

It was worth pointing this out, as it makes it delightfully even more stupid :)

is this TV show about TV shows?

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 4, 2019 4:57 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

kind of?

I suspect we're going to get a fair bit more American Hero Story.

did someone say American Horror Story?

American Hero Story, a serial adventure featuring an anthropomorphic Subway sandwich trying to avoid being eaten by Whiney

quick spoilery question about the content of the actual episode

was the car that fell from the sky angela's car? or was it just another random car?

Was wondering the same thing myself, I wasn't sure. The various recappers seem to believe it was.

yeah i assumed it was. it was the 'brick' that was thrown up .... in the last episode.

I am looking forward to the continuing discourse between people who like and have seen this show and ppl who hate it and have not seen it

this show sucks buddy

(i haven't seen it)

I will say one thing for certain, like him or not, Lindelof -- and Jean Smart -- understands the person Laurie is a hell of a lot better than Snyder and Akerman did.

that is the faintest conceivable praise