Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

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Yes, of course.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:37 (two years ago) link

Ugh, why.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:43 (two years ago) link

The film was great! The film was recent! Whyyyy

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:45 (two years ago) link

Because.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:48 (two years ago) link

I'm interested, hated the movie. This will actually be 10 hours long instead of just feeling like it is.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:51 (two years ago) link

I suppose everyones seeing the $$$ in current "golden age" TV so I suspect we're gonna see a lot more of this.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:58 (two years ago) link

Can't wait for the gritty retelling of Napoleon Dynamite.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:02 (two years ago) link

sorry everyone but Lindelof is good now

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:02 (two years ago) link

if this actually happens it will be 10x more interesting than the movie.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:03 (two years ago) link

I just wish Noah Hawley would do everything ever.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:17 (two years ago) link

oh god no

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:18 (two years ago) link

Leftovers is so much better than any Hawley thing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:19 (two years ago) link

sorry everyone but Lindelof is good now

Admittedly he had nowhere to go but up.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:20 (two years ago) link

Anyway I'm glad for this dark and gritty reboot of a...well no it's a dark and gritty reboot of the original comic which...never mind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:21 (two years ago) link

Think shadowy and rough

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:24 (two years ago) link

also bear in mind this could just as easily go the way of the Paul Greengrass or Terry Gilliam versions

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:27 (two years ago) link

iirc for a long time the consensus on the comic was that it was unfilmable before zack snyder proved that was indeed true

a longer adaptation isn't the answer because a big part of what makes the comic special is that the content is inextricably bound up with the form. any attempt to translate it outside of a comic-book will inevitably be unable to include the way moore and gibbons constantly play with time, both as a story theme and in the design and layout of the pages themselves

part of the magic of the book is that it literally allows readers to experience doctor manhattan's unique perspective on time for themselves - all you need to do to see the past or the future exactly like he does is flip back and forth in the book

and the fact that the first panel and the last panel mirror each other perfectly make the story a perfect closed loop, so readers will only ever see as much as doctor manhattan will (admittedly dc's bloodyminded insistence on creating more watchmen material kinda makes a mockery of this but, as ever, fuck dc)

you can't do any of that in anything other than comic books. all you're left with to adapt a whodunnit set in a world of gritty, 'realistic' superheroes, which is a trope that has long since been beaten into the ground in both comics and films, so why fucking bother at all

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:19 (two years ago) link

signed, butthurt in glasgow

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:19 (two years ago) link

Pls to make a Watchmen tv show in style of adam west batman

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:35 (two years ago) link

Watchmen is the best superhero movie fyi

Lindelof is a cheap cunt

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:37 (two years ago) link

tbh if they must do a watchmen tv show i'd prefer they did something like that with it rather than a slavish adaptation of something which is custom-built to resist slavish moving-image adaptations

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:37 (two years ago) link

Watchmen is the best superhero movie fyi

you're aff yer chump

Lindelof is a cheap cunt

this is otm tho

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:38 (two years ago) link

I was tentative at first, but then I remembered that every previous Moore adaptation has been an unmitigated success, and when coupled with Lindelof's unblemished record, why, I don't see how this could possibly go wrong. I think we're in for a treat, folks.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:20 (two years ago) link

I would again remind Lindelof-bashers that his last project *was* basically an unmitigated success.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:29 (two years ago) link

what better way to spend that newly-earned goodwill than on a quixotic effort to re-film the recently filmed, which proved the source material unfilmable

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:33 (two years ago) link

Would be very surprised if this actually happened, sounds like typical rumour nonsense

Otherwise, seems like the definition of a pointless project

Halo Jones, on the other hand

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:38 (two years ago) link

it's only unfilmable if you decide to be slavish about it to appease comics nerds. he literally just proved he can take high concept source material and expand it for TV productively

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:29 (two years ago) link

I mean snark all you want but it's pretty clear to me from interviews and his recent work (as well as his willingness to, for example, help guide Micheal Schur in planning for disaster when he was mounting The Good Place) that unlike a lot of other pissy creatives he actually recognizes and learns from mistakes

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:33 (two years ago) link

i'd be snarky about another adaptation of watchmen no matter who was behind it!

as i said, slavish fidelity to the source material or otherwise isn't the issue - the issue is that watchmen's content and form are so vitally interlinked that presenting it as anything other than a comic-book is going to miss much of what made it special in the first place, and all you're left with is some folks in costumes trying to solve a murder

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:38 (two years ago) link

and a blue penis

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:41 (two years ago) link

I think there are ppl who could find cinematic analogues to the way that Watchmen treats time (hello, Nic Roeg!), not sure that a guy w/ a scripting credit on Prometheus would have been my pick tho.

Robert Altman's Watchmen would've ruled.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:42 (two years ago) link

I now feel a lot less bothered about darraghmac hating GotG 2

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:07 (two years ago) link

bizarro otm. There are certain works which are so inextricably tied to their native form that adapting them to another medium is a fool's errand. Doubly so when the attempt has already been made in the past decade.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:16 (two years ago) link

XP you went off on one when I let you know that hellboy was total crap, I think we have a pretty good idea about our respective positions on comic adaptations at this stage tbf

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:32 (two years ago) link

guys maybe it is actually based on this and not the comic book
the titles are the same I'm just saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAadbwAtg9Y

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:33 (two years ago) link

Watch men? Don't mind if I do, ooh err

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:35 (two years ago) link

Watchmeh

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:36 (two years ago) link

not sure that a guy w/ a scripting credit on Prometheus would have been my pick tho.

Prometheus is bad but tbf he was brought in for a polish/rethink after Jon Spaihts wrote the original screenplay. it seems like it was poisoned from the get-go.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:34 (two years ago) link

as for this project, I would be happy with a show that uses aspects of the characters/worls/mmythos but goes completely different directions with it, somewhere between Hannibal and Fargo levels of faithfulness. only not bad like Fargo is

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:35 (two years ago) link

serious question, no judgment: have you read watchmen?

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:38 (two years ago) link

what everyone is deaf to here is that the badness is coming from inside the moore

mark s, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:39 (two years ago) link

lol yes I have read watchmen and seen the movie

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:40 (two years ago) link

okay, cool - just having some trouble wrapping my mind around the idea of enthusiasm for seeing the watchmen characters outside of the context of the comic book, especially since efforts so far to do so have been, um, largely poorly-received

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:43 (two years ago) link

you might as well just commission a series starring the charlton heroes the watchmen are based on tbh

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:45 (two years ago) link

mark don't think i don't see you trolling btw

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:46 (two years ago) link

The series is going to be based on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (two years ago) link

as for this project, I would be happy with a show that uses aspects of the characters/worls/mmythos but goes completely different directions with it, somewhere between Hannibal and Fargo levels of faithfulness. only not bad like Fargo is

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:35 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would not be happy with this. I don't really see what additional material is left to mine from the original story (although that certainly hasn't stopped a number of parties from trying). There are stories which seem to just scratch the surface of a rich and varied world of the author's creation, but Watchmen doesn't strike me as that type of story.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (two years ago) link

Like, Moore already pretty much laid out the varied richness and explored it to my satisfaction.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:49 (two years ago) link

yeah - like i said upthread, it's literally designed to be a closed-loop narrative, there's not much reason to flesh out what nite-owl's glory days were like or whatever

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:50 (two years ago) link

to put it in more concrete terms, Leftovers proved that Lindelof has figured out (with the help of good collaborators) how to juggle character, plot and world-building in a really considered way that takes advantage of the form,instead of having it be a "10-hour movie" every season or whatever (one of the plagues of big HBO shows especially). It's really not that hard for me to imagine a worthwhile adaptation that uses the book strictly as a starting point to pluck ideas from.

to put it another way, it would not make fans/pedants happy but it could be a Pretty Good TV Show

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:52 (two years ago) link

I’m able to laugh at his thoughts in interviews when they are dumb thoughts.

you're in luck as he has no non-dumb interviews

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 21:51 (one week ago) link

Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that the uh apparatus (apparently) does not actually get used and she does in fact fuck a regular dude instead.

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 21:53 (one week ago) link

certainly not 'more ridiculous' than the original Watchmen comics

not sure how a comic book about comics is ridiculous

is this TV show about TV shows?

Οὖτις, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:57 (one week ago) link

you're reading the interviews, though

after Moore’s son-in-law pointed out that Lindelof was doing 900 interviews a week where he went on & on about Moore as a workaround for AT&T official publicity being legally barred from doing so, I hadn’t clicked on anything else, but I had to know if that dildo was a photoshop joke or legit from the show

so I read some tweets responding to & quoting the interview instead of clicking

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:58 (one week ago) link

ah, well then

mh, Monday, 4 November 2019 22:00 (one week ago) link

(and I open Vulture links in private browsing in case of Ri3sman)

Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that the uh apparatus (apparently) does not actually get used and she does in fact fuck a regular dude instead.

It was worth pointing this out, as it makes it delightfully even more stupid :)

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:02 (one week ago) link

is this TV show about TV shows?

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 4, 2019 4:57 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

kind of?

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:03 (one week ago) link

I suspect we're going to get a fair bit more American Hero Story.

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 22:09 (one week ago) link

did someone say American Horror Story?

mh, Monday, 4 November 2019 22:23 (one week ago) link

American Hero Story, a serial adventure featuring an anthropomorphic Subway sandwich trying to avoid being eaten by Whiney

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:23 (one week ago) link

quick spoilery question about the content of the actual episode

was the car that fell from the sky angela's car? or was it just another random car?

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:35 (one week ago) link

Was wondering the same thing myself, I wasn't sure. The various recappers seem to believe it was.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:38 (one week ago) link

yeah i assumed it was. it was the 'brick' that was thrown up .... in the last episode.

akm, Monday, 4 November 2019 22:40 (one week ago) link

I am looking forward to the continuing discourse between people who like and have seen this show and ppl who hate it and have not seen it

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 23:19 (one week ago) link

this show sucks buddy

(i haven't seen it)

ت (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 November 2019 23:31 (one week ago) link

I will say one thing for certain, like him or not, Lindelof -- and Jean Smart -- understands the person Laurie is a hell of a lot better than Snyder and Akerman did.

that is the faintest conceivable praise

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 13:35 (one week ago) link

So this is the year's show that people who dislike it are going to be really loud and persistent in reminding us about how much they hate it, huh?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 14:12 (one week ago) link

so Jean Smart is / was also on Legion, so she's 2/2 for fucking weirdo auteur comic book tv series.

akm, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 14:16 (one week ago) link

Playing a woman whose boyfriend/husband has left earth in both!

DJI, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:52 (one week ago) link

Someone has probably mentioned it upthread, but at the New York Comic Con they had pictures of the cast, and it said that Jeremy Irons was playing 'Probably who you think he is'. I absolutely loved the reveal, which was so silly and over the top for something that everyone who had read the comic must have figured out, or otherwise didn't make a lick of sense. 'Ps, glad you enjoyed the tomatoes'.

The thing about Lost was that so much of it was basically postmodern meta about storytelling, knowledge, the lack of knowledge, mysteries, the unknowable, but it was mostly presented like a regular tv show, so people got annoyed when in the end it failed to pay off like a tv show is supposed to. And since then Lindelof has seemed pretty determined to make clear that he understands the rules of the games, and when he breaks them, it's on purpose.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 22:39 (one week ago) link

Snyder has never understood a human being in his life

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 00:30 (one week ago) link

My partner used to have a blue vibrator that we called Dr Manhattan, so we dug that scene

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:28 (one week ago) link

Soooo story time

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:50 (one week ago) link

So this is the year's show that people who dislike it are going to be really loud and persistent in reminding us about how much they hate it, huh?

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 14:12 (yesterday) link

Like, on the “this show shouldn’t exist” level, I understand why some people aren’t in a charitable frame of mind about it.

That said, I’ve really enjoyed the show so far. It’s funny and weird and the world building feels very true to the comic. It could all easily fall apart by the end but for now, I’m on board.

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:17 (one week ago) link

First chunk of the soundtrack is up on streaming services.

Simon H., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:36 (one week ago) link

in my tireless quest to ruin the music of every single HBO show, i have to point out the music for episode 3 of Watchmen sounds a lot like "Mo Bamba" pic.twitter.com/NdPadfCL8x

— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) November 7, 2019

Simon H., Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:20 (six days ago) link

Lol I had that same thought

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:28 (six days ago) link

So this is the year's show that people who dislike it are going to be really loud and persistent in reminding us about how much they hate it, huh?

https://i.imgur.com/4k8ZDEi.jpg

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 20:31 (three days ago) link

All of this has reminded me how stellar Bolland’s drawing is on the series.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:08 (three days ago) link

It literally says 'Dave Gibbons' in the post above yours.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:11 (three days ago) link

proof that stealing literally hundreds of millions of actual dollars from artists pays off for them after all, in exposure

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:13 (three days ago) link

yes! Just saying that I’m seeing Gibbons’ illustrations more than I have in many years and am reminded of everything I liked about him when I used to spend my days poring over the work of comics artists.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:35 (three days ago) link

do you like different things about Mr Mamoulian?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:42 (three days ago) link

Over in the mainstream timeline, the movie adaptation that Moore & Gibbons were pursuing in 1987 got made and was a big success; they’re now three film trilogies deep in the Watchmen Cinematic Universe; and Warner Bros. CEO Alan Moore is defending the rollout of yet another animated spinoff series, Watchmen Babies.

quinn morgendorffer stan account (morrisp), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:48 (three days ago) link

xpost to sic, I’d never heard of it til now.
I like Bolland’s extension of Gil Kane’s balance of lightness & economy and solidity of form, combined with a sense of knowing where you are when you look at a panel. When he inks himself it gets a little rich for my taste.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:17 (three days ago) link

...so the only thing you have ever liked by him is Camelot 3000? bold challop.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 23:22 (three days ago) link

Why are we talking about Bolland again?

Οὖτις, Monday, 11 November 2019 00:06 (two days ago) link

well i'll have to revise my theory as to where Ozymandias is

With an Extreme Burning (aka The Tormentor) (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 11 November 2019 07:37 (two days ago) link

Three episodes in, and I think I'm done with this show. It might be fantastic for all I know, but I don't because the way the audio's been mixed has rendered it p much unwatchable. Every one of Laurie Blake's lines was drowned out by background music. God help my neighbours every time a loud sound effect happened because I had to have my volume turned up so loud the gunshots were as loud as actual gunshots.

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 11 November 2019 10:35 (two days ago) link

And speaking of music, I feel like the song choices are really arbitrary. Like someone's just picking songs to show off their good taste, except they're songs a lot of people will know anyway ('Mongoloid', 'Israelites') as opposed to good deep cuts. Neither do they really have much to do with the plot. They're just inserted kind of randomly a bit like those self-conciously cool 90s action films that were designed to sell CD compilations

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 11 November 2019 10:40 (two days ago) link

"Israelites" at least ties back to Veidt's expressed love of dub, I would think

I don't have any trouble hearing anyone's dialogue tho one friend of mine has the same gripe about the mix.

Simon H., Monday, 11 November 2019 10:43 (two days ago) link

Maybe I'm just being a snob but it feels like a very obvious reggae song to play. It's only a minor complaint - the sound mixing is my main bugbear

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 11 November 2019 11:14 (two days ago) link

Devo is also a callback to the graphic novel.

I am using your worlds, Monday, 11 November 2019 13:59 (two days ago) link

This week's was on the slow side but I'm very curious about the Vietnamese angle.

Simon H., Monday, 11 November 2019 15:00 (two days ago) link

I haven’t seen the show, but you can turn on subtitles if you have trouble hearing the dialogue? (In our house, we generally watch TV this way by default.)

quinn morgendorffer stan account (morrisp), Monday, 11 November 2019 15:21 (two days ago) link

There's a setting on Apple TV that allows for reducing loud noises and increasing the volume of speech. It helps some. My guess is that maybe this problem arises because they are mixing for surround sound? I also think most of us (me included) don't have a sound set up that's optimized for TV/movies. But I just use subtitles now on everything.

ryan, Monday, 11 November 2019 17:57 (two days ago) link

I am tentatively enjoying this so far (haven't seen last night's episode yet), but I don't have any prior experience with the comic or movie, so I often feel like I'm missing something or not appreciating it as much as I would if I knew the mythology going in. Partly I feel this way because all the recaps I've been reading make reference to context outside the frame.

jaymc, Monday, 11 November 2019 18:43 (two days ago) link

the fuck?
THE FUCK!!
I am really hoping Lube Man isn't just a weird throwaway detail but there's a reason for him to be stalking while lubed

Having observed Trieu, I'm pretty sure _she_ is actually a re-embodied Veidt in the present-day timeline; she sure as hell acts exactly like him - grandiose but at the same time focused and pragmatic, biosphere, statues of himself, classical references and idols (once Alexander, now 'the Vietnamese Joan of Arc'), giant sci-fi world-remaking projects and all

Elephants, for 'memory' - something which Reeves needs pills 'to get', something which Bian is having without experiencing

I'm losing track of the egg references in this show but it is a lot, including Veidt's twisted incubator

Stuffed animal offered to Angela was of course Bubastis

Brakhage, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:27 (two days ago) link

Watching Jean Smart play Laurie is at the very top of the pleasures of this show. She makes 'sassy' as large as the world and as varied

Brakhage, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:31 (two days ago) link


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