Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

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Yes, of course.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:37 (two years ago) link

Ugh, why.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:43 (two years ago) link

The film was great! The film was recent! Whyyyy

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:45 (two years ago) link

Because.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:48 (two years ago) link

I'm interested, hated the movie. This will actually be 10 hours long instead of just feeling like it is.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:51 (two years ago) link

I suppose everyones seeing the $$$ in current "golden age" TV so I suspect we're gonna see a lot more of this.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:58 (two years ago) link

Can't wait for the gritty retelling of Napoleon Dynamite.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:02 (two years ago) link

sorry everyone but Lindelof is good now

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:02 (two years ago) link

if this actually happens it will be 10x more interesting than the movie.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:03 (two years ago) link

I just wish Noah Hawley would do everything ever.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:17 (two years ago) link

oh god no

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:18 (two years ago) link

Leftovers is so much better than any Hawley thing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:19 (two years ago) link

sorry everyone but Lindelof is good now

Admittedly he had nowhere to go but up.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:20 (two years ago) link

Anyway I'm glad for this dark and gritty reboot of a...well no it's a dark and gritty reboot of the original comic which...never mind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:21 (two years ago) link

Think shadowy and rough

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:24 (two years ago) link

also bear in mind this could just as easily go the way of the Paul Greengrass or Terry Gilliam versions

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:27 (two years ago) link

iirc for a long time the consensus on the comic was that it was unfilmable before zack snyder proved that was indeed true

a longer adaptation isn't the answer because a big part of what makes the comic special is that the content is inextricably bound up with the form. any attempt to translate it outside of a comic-book will inevitably be unable to include the way moore and gibbons constantly play with time, both as a story theme and in the design and layout of the pages themselves

part of the magic of the book is that it literally allows readers to experience doctor manhattan's unique perspective on time for themselves - all you need to do to see the past or the future exactly like he does is flip back and forth in the book

and the fact that the first panel and the last panel mirror each other perfectly make the story a perfect closed loop, so readers will only ever see as much as doctor manhattan will (admittedly dc's bloodyminded insistence on creating more watchmen material kinda makes a mockery of this but, as ever, fuck dc)

you can't do any of that in anything other than comic books. all you're left with to adapt a whodunnit set in a world of gritty, 'realistic' superheroes, which is a trope that has long since been beaten into the ground in both comics and films, so why fucking bother at all

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:19 (two years ago) link

signed, butthurt in glasgow

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:19 (two years ago) link

Pls to make a Watchmen tv show in style of adam west batman

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:35 (two years ago) link

Watchmen is the best superhero movie fyi

Lindelof is a cheap cunt

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:37 (two years ago) link

tbh if they must do a watchmen tv show i'd prefer they did something like that with it rather than a slavish adaptation of something which is custom-built to resist slavish moving-image adaptations

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:37 (two years ago) link

Watchmen is the best superhero movie fyi

you're aff yer chump

Lindelof is a cheap cunt

this is otm tho

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 09:38 (two years ago) link

I was tentative at first, but then I remembered that every previous Moore adaptation has been an unmitigated success, and when coupled with Lindelof's unblemished record, why, I don't see how this could possibly go wrong. I think we're in for a treat, folks.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:20 (two years ago) link

I would again remind Lindelof-bashers that his last project *was* basically an unmitigated success.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:29 (two years ago) link

what better way to spend that newly-earned goodwill than on a quixotic effort to re-film the recently filmed, which proved the source material unfilmable

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:33 (two years ago) link

Would be very surprised if this actually happened, sounds like typical rumour nonsense

Otherwise, seems like the definition of a pointless project

Halo Jones, on the other hand

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:38 (two years ago) link

it's only unfilmable if you decide to be slavish about it to appease comics nerds. he literally just proved he can take high concept source material and expand it for TV productively

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:29 (two years ago) link

I mean snark all you want but it's pretty clear to me from interviews and his recent work (as well as his willingness to, for example, help guide Micheal Schur in planning for disaster when he was mounting The Good Place) that unlike a lot of other pissy creatives he actually recognizes and learns from mistakes

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:33 (two years ago) link

i'd be snarky about another adaptation of watchmen no matter who was behind it!

as i said, slavish fidelity to the source material or otherwise isn't the issue - the issue is that watchmen's content and form are so vitally interlinked that presenting it as anything other than a comic-book is going to miss much of what made it special in the first place, and all you're left with is some folks in costumes trying to solve a murder

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:38 (two years ago) link

and a blue penis

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:41 (two years ago) link

I think there are ppl who could find cinematic analogues to the way that Watchmen treats time (hello, Nic Roeg!), not sure that a guy w/ a scripting credit on Prometheus would have been my pick tho.

Robert Altman's Watchmen would've ruled.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:42 (two years ago) link

I now feel a lot less bothered about darraghmac hating GotG 2

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:07 (two years ago) link

bizarro otm. There are certain works which are so inextricably tied to their native form that adapting them to another medium is a fool's errand. Doubly so when the attempt has already been made in the past decade.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:16 (two years ago) link

XP you went off on one when I let you know that hellboy was total crap, I think we have a pretty good idea about our respective positions on comic adaptations at this stage tbf

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:32 (two years ago) link

guys maybe it is actually based on this and not the comic book
the titles are the same I'm just saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAadbwAtg9Y

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:33 (two years ago) link

Watch men? Don't mind if I do, ooh err

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:35 (two years ago) link

Watchmeh

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:36 (two years ago) link

not sure that a guy w/ a scripting credit on Prometheus would have been my pick tho.

Prometheus is bad but tbf he was brought in for a polish/rethink after Jon Spaihts wrote the original screenplay. it seems like it was poisoned from the get-go.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:34 (two years ago) link

as for this project, I would be happy with a show that uses aspects of the characters/worls/mmythos but goes completely different directions with it, somewhere between Hannibal and Fargo levels of faithfulness. only not bad like Fargo is

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:35 (two years ago) link

serious question, no judgment: have you read watchmen?

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:38 (two years ago) link

what everyone is deaf to here is that the badness is coming from inside the moore

mark s, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:39 (two years ago) link

lol yes I have read watchmen and seen the movie

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:40 (two years ago) link

okay, cool - just having some trouble wrapping my mind around the idea of enthusiasm for seeing the watchmen characters outside of the context of the comic book, especially since efforts so far to do so have been, um, largely poorly-received

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:43 (two years ago) link

you might as well just commission a series starring the charlton heroes the watchmen are based on tbh

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:45 (two years ago) link

mark don't think i don't see you trolling btw

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:46 (two years ago) link

The series is going to be based on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (two years ago) link

as for this project, I would be happy with a show that uses aspects of the characters/worls/mmythos but goes completely different directions with it, somewhere between Hannibal and Fargo levels of faithfulness. only not bad like Fargo is

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:35 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would not be happy with this. I don't really see what additional material is left to mine from the original story (although that certainly hasn't stopped a number of parties from trying). There are stories which seem to just scratch the surface of a rich and varied world of the author's creation, but Watchmen doesn't strike me as that type of story.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:47 (two years ago) link

Like, Moore already pretty much laid out the varied richness and explored it to my satisfaction.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:49 (two years ago) link

yeah - like i said upthread, it's literally designed to be a closed-loop narrative, there's not much reason to flesh out what nite-owl's glory days were like or whatever

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:50 (two years ago) link

to put it in more concrete terms, Leftovers proved that Lindelof has figured out (with the help of good collaborators) how to juggle character, plot and world-building in a really considered way that takes advantage of the form,instead of having it be a "10-hour movie" every season or whatever (one of the plagues of big HBO shows especially). It's really not that hard for me to imagine a worthwhile adaptation that uses the book strictly as a starting point to pluck ideas from.

to put it another way, it would not make fans/pedants happy but it could be a Pretty Good TV Show

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:52 (two years ago) link

nothing

akm, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:42 (two months ago) link

except for people who don't understand how hollywood works

akm, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:42 (two months ago) link

it's like finding out that timothy van patten, star of "the master", is an acclaimed prestige director.

omg how did I never make this connection before

thread delivers

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:42 (two months ago) link

i understand how hollywood works, i just don't work the same way

i get stirling silliphant, or if not him (he did think he wrote dozens of better scripts for "route 66") hollywood, would probably prefer to be remembered for "in the heat of the night" than for "the swarm" but it's still kind of fucked up that those scripts both came from the same pen.

Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 December 2019 20:19 (two months ago) link

Don Johnson was funny in Sick Note

Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 December 2019 22:37 (two months ago) link

Also who is "you guys"

Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 December 2019 22:38 (two months ago) link

I guess crockett retired and moved to this other universe where he’s still a cop but everything else is fucking weird?

calstars, Thursday, 19 December 2019 23:50 (two months ago) link

What happened here

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 December 2019 00:24 (two months ago) link

As much as I loved Miami Vice, I always felt like he was such a non-presence as Crockett. Like, anybody could have filled that role. I think he was really good in this, and I also loved his short role in Eastbound & Down.

beard papa, Friday, 20 December 2019 02:29 (two months ago) link

he was fun in knives out

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Friday, 20 December 2019 02:50 (two months ago) link

Don Johnson was iconic as Crockett!

Nobody uses the phone anymore (morrisp), Friday, 20 December 2019 02:57 (two months ago) link

Lol imagining Crockett ending up in fucking Tulsa

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 20 December 2019 12:48 (two months ago) link

there's a miami in oklahoma! wouldn't even need to change the name of the show!

i chop up the orange and chomp on the inside of it (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 December 2019 12:50 (two months ago) link

the logical move now is for s2 of Watchmen to be set in Miami

Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 12:50 (two months ago) link

don johnson's imperial-phase cokey self-confidence has aged into a slightly worn charm that he's become pretty adept at using to play charismatic bastards at either end of the charisma / bastard spectrum, i'm always happy to see him tbh

i chop up the orange and chomp on the inside of it (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 December 2019 12:55 (two months ago) link

nash bridges is better than alan moore's watchmen

mark s, Friday, 20 December 2019 17:12 (two months ago) link

https://wiki.tarantino.info/images/thumb/CMpic.jpg/250px-CMpic.jpg

mark s, Friday, 20 December 2019 17:13 (two months ago) link

Looking Glass pulls his speeding car over to ask his ex-wife if she ever really loved him

Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:05 (two months ago) link

The first half of the series was considerably better than the second half, the more I think about it.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:17 (two months ago) link

since ep 6 was in the second half I'd disagree, but first 2/3rds was better is true.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:21 (two months ago) link

6 + 8 were my overall favorites even if I think the Manhattan plot overall distracted from the more intriguing stuff in the first half

Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 19:23 (two months ago) link

Agree. Show lost me when it became an exposition fest. Tho the penultimate episode was good

Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:28 (two months ago) link

I'm still hung up on it not being 12 eps, so imo #6 still feels like the halfway point to me. Maybe it's because they were still taking their time up to that point, with easily 5 eps of material cut down into 3 for the final act. Anyway, this was overall far better than it had any right to be. It was overall a pleasant discovery.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:53 (two months ago) link

I want a Dr Manhattan toilet

Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 December 2019 22:22 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Show was very compelling throughout, a lot better than the mediocre film obv.

The playing around with time was very clever, obv the hooded justice episode employed it well in a more direct way but the Manhattan reveal episode did it remarkably well.

Don Johnson’s presence was key I think because he sauntered through the episode like a born leader, very charismatic, a beloved figure, we’re invited to like him, and the twist of course is he’s one who slowly turns into this malignant presence after his death. Johnson is a very good actor and always has been, his skills have been employed in some pap but he’s got the goods. The cyclops leadership getting cooked at the end was of course very satisfying.

It was a show to get immersed in and might bear rescreening though it was difficult to watch at times; it doesn’t shy away from the particularly specific American strain of ugliness that is built into the country’s dna.

omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 02:17 (one month ago) link

seeing rumblings that HBO doesn't want to do a s2 without Lindelof which if true is ohhhhhhh the irony lmao

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:30 (one month ago) link

HBO won't pursue second season of 'Watchmen' after creator bows out

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2020/01/16/watchmen-second-hbo-season-wont-happen-after-creator-bails/4491269002/

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:48 (one month ago) link

Creator

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:12 (one month ago) link

they forgot the scare quotes

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:18 (one month ago) link

hbo should bring in someone else to do season 2 against lindelof’s wishes

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:36 (one month ago) link

you mean like Alan Moore?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:38 (one month ago) link

don't think Moore would be interested

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:39 (one month ago) link

Xpost man you love spoiling joeks don't u

papa stank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

Lindelof has already "given" his "blessing" to do future seasons without him, so AT&T are being perfectly consistent in cancelling it

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:48 (one month ago) link

this is a major bummer. show was so good. but maybe this prevents it from inevitable decline.

akm, Friday, 17 January 2020 02:26 (one month ago) link

enh I still think he'll do it a couple years down the line

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 17 January 2020 02:43 (one month ago) link

Still think the finale was very disappointing, but not in a series-destroying way.

Really the worst lapse taste was that rawk cover of I am the walrus at the very end. A truly horrible decision

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:05 (one month ago) link

that was spooky tooth!

akm, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

i was repeatedly surprised by this and liked it quite a bit up thru and culminating w the hooded justice ep, but as a corny dr. manhattan bro who loves a dr. manhattan performance was also waiting excitedly the whole time for dr. manhattan to appear. loved the reveal of dr. manhattan and texted tolerant friends screenshots all thru the dr. manhattan episode. then the show plummeted straight off a cliff as a direct result of the presence of dr. manhattan, like he was an anvil it had been tied to. if alan moore did curse the show that was the curse.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

i don't blame the actor who played him here but Manhattan was pretty boring.

i guess that one mystery character they showed one, slippery pete or whatever he was called, the guy in the outfit going down the sewer drain...we'll never have any idea who that guy was.

omar little, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

maybe my irony detector is broken, but the ancillary materials made clear/explicit it was the agent

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:29 (one month ago) link

yes, petey is lubeman, this is canon

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:30 (one month ago) link

Yeah, it was canonically confirmed via the Peteypedia entry after the last episode.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:33 (one month ago) link

slippery pete was a coincidental joke name that i now see was eerily accurate

omar little, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:37 (one month ago) link

(i forgot the agent's name and didn't read the ancillary materials)

omar little, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:38 (one month ago) link

iirc, "Lube Guy" was the name that picked up traction.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:40 (one month ago) link

just very little bc of the lube

if you're in the thread, keep on posting (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

i think read that he included the lubeman bc this season emerged from lindelof's own obsession with the mystery of hooded justice's identity (which he built the season around) and he wanted to leave a mystery for others

Mordy, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:59 (one month ago) link

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:30 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Because of "Watchmen." Decades of historians have been trying to let the world know about this massacre, and it took an alternate history comic book drama to break the wall of racism. IDK whether to laugh or cry, but let no one say fiction has no power in the real world. https://t.co/l7ixJN5JlQ

— N. K. Jemisin (@nkjemisin) February 20, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 February 2020 22:15 (four days ago) link


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