Free speech zones - necessary accommodation to avoid dust-ups or government overreach

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inspired by some folks who were arguing about the anti-Pulse protesters yesterday who were arrested. They naturally maintain their free speech rights were violated. The cops maintain they were not, as they were not telling them to leave the premises, but were merely telling them which space they could not occupy (which was disobeyed).

SCOTUS has allowed government to restrict when and where someone may express themselves, just not restrict the content itself. So this is established law. The question for debate is - should this be the way the law is interpreted. Should freedom of speech come with limitations as to where/when, or was SCOTUS "overreaching" in its interpretation of government powers re: first amendment.

Is establishing a "free speech zone" detrimental to free speech?

Poll Results

Option	Votes
It is government overreach	6
<insert contenderizer's response here>	2
It is a necessary accommodation	1
I have a more nuanced opinion	1
Other	0

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link

(I realize in the way it's phrased this is a very US-centric question, but doesn't need to be constricted to just the US in terms of discussion)

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link

^^ you could phrase this however you like, it's never not going to be a very US-centric question. This is textbook US as seen from o'er here. An interesting one at that though, for sure.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link

good point!

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link

what was contenderizer's position?!?

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:02 (six years ago) link

that option was the poll equivalent of a "trust fall"

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link

the government should have to defend its decisions to restrict free speech in specific areas. the idea that the government first has to determine what "zones" are for "free speech" prior to the free speech happening is total overreach and shouldn't hold up in any court worth a crap. you still shouldn't yell fire in a crowded theater.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Freedom_of_speech is really educational. I took a course in undergrad that was an entire semester's worth of SCOTUS First Amendment cases and it ruled

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link

SCOTUS has allowed government to restrict when and where someone may express themselves, just not restrict the content itself.

this statement is ilxor overreach btw, doesn't stand

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link

that option was the poll equivalent of a "trust fall"

― A is for (Aimless

lmao

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

CNN: The El Rancho Unified School District in Southern California last night voted to fire high school teacher Gregory Salcido after his disparaging remarks about the military went viral on social media.
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) March 21, 2018

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-pico-rivera-teacher-terminated-military-20180320-story.html

if you read up on this dumb story it basically mirrors a "PC outrage mob" incident in every possible way except at no point did any prominent public thinker tell veterans and those sympathetic to veterans that they had no right to take offense
— Official Centrism (@pareene) March 21, 2018

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link

teacher sounds like an asshole tbh

― imago, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link

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