Well actually, it's not the deathray itself that goes BOOM, but the target it hits.
― pplains, Friday, 8 March 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
Finding it impossible to accept Hammond as mastermind behind anything.
― chap, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/apr/11/steve-bell-on-julian-assange-and-his-possible-extradition-to-the-us-cartoon
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 April 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link
i recently read a book where he was described as the "greatest UK political cartoonist" since david low.
― calzino, Thursday, 11 April 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
I quite liked this one:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/apr/10/steve-bell-on-benjamin-netanyahus-election-victory-cartoon
Which is notable because he's shite.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:59 (five years ago) link
I think his depiction of Trump's head as a toilet is one of the most effective cartoon renderings of Trump, something about toilets as a liminal space between what is ok to acknowledge and what everyone is aware of but has to deny because it's foul and taboo etc works as a representation of Trump's position as a conduit between the world of mainstream respectable politics and this netherworld of racism and misogyny etc thatcan't be mentioned - Trump retweeting far-right memes as a backflowing toilet
― soref, Friday, 12 April 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link
Is that Nixon manhandling Assange?
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 12 April 2019 06:35 (five years ago) link
LOL I almost posted the same question last night.
― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Friday, 12 April 2019 06:46 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37vy-GUcAEXqEF.jpg
if you look at the pic it is appropriated from the goon behind him looks nothing like Nixon, but the fat-necked cop with the self satisfied grimace in the bottom left corner has a similar self satisfied grimacing countenance to the Trump toilet head!
― calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 07:14 (five years ago) link
badly written post but i'm multi-tasking!
― calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 07:15 (five years ago) link
Steve Bell was good in the 80s.
― chap, Friday, 12 April 2019 08:38 (five years ago) link
i will defend bell: he has a highly original symbolist imagination, which i think is a hard thing to retain after decades of turning out cartoons to order several times a week(if he has flaws they are rarely the flaws of reach-down banality: i wd honestly rather an artist is drifting the outer reaches of his/her unconscious for insight and intuitive connection than hunkering down in the ante-room of cliche) (true he's sometimes very bad on the power dynamics of sex stuff: there be dragons in the outer reaches of yr unconscious)― mark s, Friday, July 7, 2017 10:24 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
(if he has flaws they are rarely the flaws of reach-down banality: i wd honestly rather an artist is drifting the outer reaches of his/her unconscious for insight and intuitive connection than hunkering down in the ante-room of cliche) (true he's sometimes very bad on the power dynamics of sex stuff: there be dragons in the outer reaches of yr unconscious)
― mark s, Friday, July 7, 2017 10:24 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^
i still basically like bell's dogged willingness to develop a transformative dream-figure for ppl he has to draw several times a week and then work with it and stick with it: no one else that i can quickly think of does anything like this (except for NAILED IT MATT drawing willies on literally everyone's face, but then i like that also tbh)
not all these figures work! at all! bush-as-chimp was poor! and bell definitely also routinely tumbles off into ugly lazy slur territory with some of his targets, which is bad not good -- but i will stan for toilet-head trump and for condomhead cameron and for pierrot theresa comments are closed
his strips were generally a lot better than his big paintings tho
i mean gilray mostly belongs on this thread and low sometimes does also (i like low's line tho, i don't like gilray's)
― mark s, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:02 (five years ago) link
that Netanyahu one he did a few years back was dodgy as fuck (ithink it was linked on ILX SB thread). It was obv more ill-judged + stooopid rather than intentional anti-Semitic slur, but ironic appropriation of ZOG imagery isn't ever a good idea.
― calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:16 (five years ago) link
I appreciate that the pressure to have to deliver every day is slightly more than if you were baking doughnuts or something. But lots of his work is dreadful imo. Sorry comments closed i know!
― calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:22 (five years ago) link
baking doughnuts is man's highest endeavour and i am offended that you would compare it to the frippery of cartooning for a daily newspaper
― arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 April 2019 10:24 (five years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/6bOX9Uo.jpg
― mark s, Friday, 12 April 2019 11:03 (five years ago) link
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fc8.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2FE7YENK%2Fdrive-thru-donut-hole-in-la-puente-california-E7YENK.jpg&f=1
― arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 April 2019 11:09 (five years ago) link
bell's dogged willingness to develop a transformative dream-figure for ppl he has to draw several times a week
I've been trying to think of other examples of cartoonists who do this with real-life figures - Garry Trudeau maybe (I haven't kept up with Doonesbury in years)? It seems more like something impressionists or stand-ups do, rather than cartoonists, which I guess points up the uniqueness of Bell's work, and also its limitations - ie he can be as bad as a stand-up comedian!
Also hard agree about his black and white line strip cartooning being far superior to his single panel colour illustration work; I think it would have been interesting, and maybe better for Bell, if he had produced longer narrative comics, even autobiographical ones - his life in leftism would prob be quite interesting.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 12 April 2019 11:12 (five years ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f14eec7d74baad95c666103f0103ceb7e371ed8b/0_0_4805_2983/master/4805.jpg?width=940&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=5d33fe94f1c7fb4bfa65ddbe7c967f9c
everyone done to the scale of their current next PM standings it seems, long-winded "ACME" joke and skip labelled "dustbin of history". Proper amateur shit is this.
― calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8ZDr7wXUAERDlr.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
(the new yorker ffs)
― mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/d8322d2fa4e30ce281780a873100a8d9a8f66ed6/0_0_4882_3069/master/4882.jpg?width=940&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=84e79be0bfa6a4c02c428911456dbf65
from last Sunday's observer. I think because he already is a crude + crass, gaudy cartoon character, he brings out the worst in lazy cartoonists who are already very bad at what they do anyway.
― calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
I'm having a bit of u-turn on this cos a farting shitty nappy is pretty lolsome tbf!
― calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
That is startlingly bad.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 6 June 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
yes it is, I have come to senses again after an evening constitutional.
― calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Was sure we had a thread for over explained cartoons in general but couldn't find so putting this here
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/62117358_10214303142924877_2516822325463089152_n.jpg
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 7 June 2019 02:31 (four years ago) link
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/62117358_10214303142924877_2516822325463089152_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeH84Tfbsxk5nLU73Cn_WNHRLnT5SQAByW82v_YpXAJT21wX4gcpERhLcP2qSY0e2_KIUZcpwt3K6BWgecGPBE5iNi0mrH-P3z2YotBvLEuG0g&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=64c6811f9611db7f16eeb1578d4861b2&oe=5D959681
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 7 June 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
Chris Riddell can draw at least.
― chap, Saturday, 8 June 2019 10:52 (four years ago) link
better evidence needed imo
― mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
His kid's illustrations are nice.
― chap, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:15 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9wlGdCWsAEe12Q.jpg
― soref, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
at least the unsmiling guardianista stasi neighbours have a better purpose than fucking netflix in their lives!
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
Just can't stand this guy's style, looks ugly and captures nothing
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/91505101a80a0e7ee373a723c94b945256f87178/0_0_2023_1213/master/2023.jpg
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
This - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/jun/23/ben-jennings-on-the-pressure-facing-boris-johnson-cartoon - for some reason can't hotlink.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
Jennings drew this cartoon about the Extinction Rebellion protests a few weeks ago and I don't understand it
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bab061d76b116c855fb9b078f2428b8ef3bad89c/0_0_3035_1819/master/3035.jpg?width=940&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=bc939cf0fb2e08504dc32f49737b79e6
I know ER protesters were gluing themselves to structures, so the woman gluing her hand to the man's head is a metaphor for how they are making the public think about climate change, I guess? Is there any significance to the fact that the man looks like Pep Guardiola?
― soref, Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
Yes... I don't... what is... I don't get what that is trying to say... does she fancy the guy and, er, that explains the lascivious grin... no, sorry, I give up.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
Doesn't look like Pep to me but yeah, this is incomprehensible.
Is he trying to say he can only think about climate change now that a protester is glued to his head? idgi
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
Ben Jennings is the absolute worst.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
The 496 (!) comments on that one aren't making it any clearer either.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
he did that fucking awful Hockney swimming pool pastiche with Gove with the knife. A combination of bad ideas allied to bad drawing talent is a recurring theme in all of his work, but sometimes the bad ideas get even worse.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link
If I'm being charitable I'd guess that he's implying people are being indoctrinated by climate change rhetoric, but yes it's pretty lame.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 24 June 2019 07:03 (four years ago) link
I think it's just a silly joke rather than a statement? But a crap one.
― chap, Monday, 24 June 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
What's the joke?
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link
you'd think a climate change protestor would know better than to glue themselves to the solar panel for a sex machine
― turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:07 (four years ago) link
lol
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link
we have a winner (i have no idea what's going on here)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEYkcOxXUAAHVFU.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-eliN7UEAM-sN2.jpg:large
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
its hard to know, rly, whether we are seeing the two fools and their impression of ireland and a miracle deal, or whether idk its just a lazy shit effort
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
and ofc it can be both
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link