itt: cartoons abt uk politics that are bad cartoons

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I have a theory that the Daily Telegraph catoonist "BLOWER" is in fact BRANCO (see the bad US politics cartoons thread) doubling up on his income by working under a pseudonym

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/05/30/cartoon-30052017-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqgCXocDQF5kP7s3jSjli3eCH0-jRUT4rHK8EgtaGoQwQ.gif

soref, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:25 (two years ago) link

is drawing a tortoise really that hard

devvvine, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:27 (two years ago) link

I'm trying to parse that first cartoon, but no, it's not happening. I assume that it suggests that whatever Brexit happens it's bad for business, but suspect I've got that all wrong.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:32 (two years ago) link

grudging respect for the shamelessness of not bothering to work out a way to complete his Abbott and Costello pun and just drawing a big picture of Corbyn covering up the rest of the name

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/05/09/blower170507-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqeo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg

soref, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:34 (two years ago) link

Bud Abbott and Lou Costello? More like DUD ABBOTT and LOSER CO(rbyn)STELLO, right? *submits cartoon to Daily Telgraph, slopes off to spend rest of the day in pub*

soref, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:37 (two years ago) link

haha yes i have a full-size version of the first cartoon open in my tabs, i keep going back to see if the penny's dropped, but no, it is more mysterious than ever

most of his other cartoons are just ugly clumsy and obvious -- he's been getting work for years! -- but there's a sort of wtf poetry to this one

mark s, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

90% sure he has just recaptioned an old cartoon there

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 11 June 2017 17:03 (two years ago) link

ok not to be caot defend-a-mac, but that is a serviceable and well drawn* cartoon making a political point i disagree with

*obviously he's always been a giles knock-off so i hate him for that reason**
**my mum drew my attention to how well mac draws curly telephone flexes, which is an odd thing to notice, but once you do, she was right, he was good at it, and perhaps still could be were there a need

mark s, Sunday, 11 June 2017 17:19 (two years ago) link

How to tell if you've drawn a really good cartoon:

http://i.imgur.com/GkhuTA9.png

pplains, Sunday, 11 June 2017 17:25 (two years ago) link

Blower is esp. terrible.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 June 2017 17:42 (two years ago) link

it's weird, i know people irl whose mental landscape re: politics is accurately illustrated by these guys

and the arguments are near identical to the stuff Tressell mocks in The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists, lickspittles are tenacious

There's got to be a Corbyn after (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 June 2017 17:48 (two years ago) link

a year old now yet suddenly relevant AND badly drawn
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCC-IwAW0AAGPcj.jpg:large

mark s, Sunday, 11 June 2017 19:27 (two years ago) link

Brookes also drew this oddly terrifying Boris/Gove cartoon:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmQw0nlUsAAOmra.jpg

soref, Sunday, 11 June 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

Boris bearing uncanny resemblance to Rod Liddle in top panel.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 11 June 2017 20:13 (two years ago) link

Not enough Martin Rowson on this thread.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Monday, 12 June 2017 08:06 (two years ago) link

posting cartoons from low circulation trot newspapers feels a little like breaking a butterfly on a wheel, but I was impressed by the number of captions on this one

http://i.imgur.com/BjRupxd.png

soref, Saturday, 17 June 2017 23:09 (two years ago) link

gerald scarfe is bad not good:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/81420000/jpg/_81420916_geraldscarfe.jpg

mark s, Sunday, 18 June 2017 12:38 (two years ago) link

britain's last-ditch stunt: the davis-yeltsin switcheroo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCoaEnuXcAAcbe1.jpg:large

mark s, Monday, 19 June 2017 09:37 (two years ago) link

posting cartoons from low circulation trot newspapers feels a little like breaking a butterfly on a wheel, but I was impressed by the number of captions on this one

http://i.imgur.com/BjRupxd.png

― soref, Saturday, June 17, 2017 4:09 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some fine art brut here

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:55 (two years ago) link

polly toyn

mark s, Monday, 19 June 2017 16:57 (two years ago) link

i like how the cartoonist just went ahead and wrote "shit" on the pile of things he hated

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:59 (two years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDAKNPxWsAAEKGR.jpg:large

mark s, Friday, 23 June 2017 12:01 (two years ago) link

bit sad abt nosferatu, he did bad things but he doesn't deserve this

mark s, Friday, 23 June 2017 12:02 (two years ago) link

bad cartoon about Europe from 1989

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2f/6d/49/2f6d49ea9ea51c4bd0ab05b1b7fbea2d.jpg

soref, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:11 (two years ago) link

Hallmark of bad cartoons = everything has to be labelled. I know this has been said before, but they keep doing it. Are there editors out there encouraging this?

Also, am yet to see a successful rendition of Michael Gove. He is somehow beyond caricature,

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:35 (two years ago) link

did you not see the cartoon above portraying him as a fish eating Boris Jonson's head or

soref, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:56 (two years ago) link

brookes is just drawing pob

mark s, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:58 (two years ago) link

drawing him as pob is ok because he does look quite like pob, but it's not enough because he is also much more repulsive than pob. I can see them going for a cross between pob and a human, whereas the real thing looks like a cross between pob and a body from the haunted swamp.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:42 (two years ago) link

This is surely the canonical Gove?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oHfzDFoVDvk/UEYRaaaY5EI/AAAAAAAAF9M/afSgSxxnk_0/s1600/Stephen-Collins-17-March--001.jpg

Stevie T, Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:47 (two years ago) link

Basically Pob crossed with Mr Bean.

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:53 (two years ago) link

Steve Bell belongs on here, though some will I'm sure defend him on the grounds of perserverence: "They don't get it... It's funny because it's not really a monkey, it's really George W Bush... Oh well, maybe next time."

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 7 July 2017 06:28 (two years ago) link

Hallmark of bad cartoons = everything has to be labelled

It's more that ppl like Cummings were steeped in the history of political cartooning, where labelling was as much a part of the style as thought balloons were in comic books. And as with thought balloons, labelling in political cartoons nowadays is very hard to pull off - it's become an 'ironic' device that yes, signals 'bad' cartooning.

Not to defend Cummings, whose work always lacked Mac's visually pleasing cartooning skills - though I guess the dour ugliness of Cummings' drawing style is editorially appropriate for the Express.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 07:52 (two years ago) link

I do think Cummings deserves some credit for the look of "never in all my days" indignation on the Sovereignty Dolphin

soref, Friday, 7 July 2017 08:01 (two years ago) link

Thatcher in a swimsuit is really disturbing me

more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 July 2017 08:52 (two years ago) link

cummings has a style, i always liked the thickness of his line (not well shown off in this example)

i will defend bell: he has a highly original symbolist imagination, which i think is a hard thing to retain after decades of turning out cartoons to order several times a week

(if he has flaws they are rarely the flaws of reach-down banality: i wd honestly rather an artist is drifting the outer reaches of his/her unconscious for insight and intuitive connection than hunkering down in the ante-room of cliche) (true he's sometimes very bad on the power dynamics of sex stuff: there be dragons in the outer reaches of yr unconscious)

mark s, Friday, 7 July 2017 09:24 (two years ago) link

i always enjoyed the pleasure cummings took in drawing brezhnev

mark s, Friday, 7 July 2017 09:25 (two years ago) link

I always stand by Steve Bell as an uncompromising angry leftist in a world of scumbags.

I also think that his bigger images often show him painting really well and evocatively. He has a good appreciation of art history and artistic method. And he is also a lucid and intelligent writer, better than many other people who write for the Guardian but can't draw.

the pinefox, Friday, 7 July 2017 09:27 (two years ago) link

he was rubbish on university challenge (alumni edition) though.

still have fond memories of the complete set of the collected 'If...' as a kid, 7 or 8 volumes, probably long term borrowed from my older brother or parents.

The XX pants (ledge), Friday, 7 July 2017 17:46 (two years ago) link

... there was a quotidian, almost cosy quality to its anarchic silliness, not unlike the young ones.

The XX pants (ledge), Friday, 7 July 2017 17:47 (two years ago) link

man at bar: lager lager lager lager lager lager lager 'n' a babycham
penguin: congratulations on your brilliant impression of a bus breaking down!

^ quality original material

The XX pants (ledge), Friday, 7 July 2017 17:51 (two years ago) link

Steve Bell is not bad as an artist, surely. I mean he has his own very distinctive style which works well.
He does keep doing things like this though

https://edinburgheye.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/stevebell_incest.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:11 (two years ago) link

I like If and Maggie's Farm

Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 7 July 2017 23:33 (two years ago) link

Steve Bell's debt to Robert Crumb + American underground comix seems more or less unique for a UK editorial cartoonist?

soref, Saturday, 8 July 2017 00:11 (two years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEIO1g0XYAAJfvk.jpg

terrible + disablist cartoon in Osborne's Evening Standard shocker.

calzino, Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:40 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGOEdB6W0AAHrQr.jpg:large

mark s, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:26 (two years ago) link

quite like adams' angular style, this isn't a bad cartoon in the sense the o/p is a bad cartoon

obviously his politics are as bad as his grasp of what's going on in venezuela or indeed the labour party

mark s, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:29 (two years ago) link

LOL I almost posted the same question last night.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Friday, 12 April 2019 06:46 (five months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37vy-GUcAEXqEF.jpg

if you look at the pic it is appropriated from the goon behind him looks nothing like Nixon, but the fat-necked cop with the self satisfied grimace in the bottom left corner has a similar self satisfied grimacing countenance to the Trump toilet head!

calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 07:14 (five months ago) link

badly written post but i'm multi-tasking!

calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 07:15 (five months ago) link

Steve Bell was good in the 80s.

chap, Friday, 12 April 2019 08:38 (five months ago) link

i will defend bell: he has a highly original symbolist imagination, which i think is a hard thing to retain after decades of turning out cartoons to order several times a week

(if he has flaws they are rarely the flaws of reach-down banality: i wd honestly rather an artist is drifting the outer reaches of his/her unconscious for insight and intuitive connection than hunkering down in the ante-room of cliche) (true he's sometimes very bad on the power dynamics of sex stuff: there be dragons in the outer reaches of yr unconscious)

― mark s, Friday, July 7, 2017 10:24 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^

i still basically like bell's dogged willingness to develop a transformative dream-figure for ppl he has to draw several times a week and then work with it and stick with it: no one else that i can quickly think of does anything like this (except for NAILED IT MATT drawing willies on literally everyone's face, but then i like that also tbh)

not all these figures work! at all! bush-as-chimp was poor! and bell definitely also routinely tumbles off into ugly lazy slur territory with some of his targets, which is bad not good -- but i will stan for toilet-head trump and for condomhead cameron and for pierrot theresa comments are closed

his strips were generally a lot better than his big paintings tho

i mean gilray mostly belongs on this thread and low sometimes does also (i like low's line tho, i don't like gilray's)

mark s, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:02 (five months ago) link

that Netanyahu one he did a few years back was dodgy as fuck (ithink it was linked on ILX SB thread). It was obv more ill-judged + stooopid rather than intentional anti-Semitic slur, but ironic appropriation of ZOG imagery isn't ever a good idea.

calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:16 (five months ago) link

I appreciate that the pressure to have to deliver every day is slightly more than if you were baking doughnuts or something. But lots of his work is dreadful imo. Sorry comments closed i know!

calzino, Friday, 12 April 2019 10:22 (five months ago) link

baking doughnuts is man's highest endeavour and i am offended that you would compare it to the frippery of cartooning for a daily newspaper

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 April 2019 10:24 (five months ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/6bOX9Uo.jpg

mark s, Friday, 12 April 2019 11:03 (five months ago) link

bell's dogged willingness to develop a transformative dream-figure for ppl he has to draw several times a week

I've been trying to think of other examples of cartoonists who do this with real-life figures - Garry Trudeau maybe (I haven't kept up with Doonesbury in years)? It seems more like something impressionists or stand-ups do, rather than cartoonists, which I guess points up the uniqueness of Bell's work, and also its limitations - ie he can be as bad as a stand-up comedian!

Also hard agree about his black and white line strip cartooning being far superior to his single panel colour illustration work; I think it would have been interesting, and maybe better for Bell, if he had produced longer narrative comics, even autobiographical ones - his life in leftism would prob be quite interesting.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 12 April 2019 11:12 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f14eec7d74baad95c666103f0103ceb7e371ed8b/0_0_4805_2983/master/4805.jpg?width=940&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=5d33fe94f1c7fb4bfa65ddbe7c967f9c

everyone done to the scale of their current next PM standings it seems, long-winded "ACME" joke and skip labelled "dustbin of history". Proper amateur shit is this.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 18:29 (three months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8ZDr7wXUAERDlr.jpg

mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:27 (three months ago) link

(the new yorker ffs)

mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:28 (three months ago) link

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/d8322d2fa4e30ce281780a873100a8d9a8f66ed6/0_0_4882_3069/master/4882.jpg?width=940&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=84e79be0bfa6a4c02c428911456dbf65

from last Sunday's observer. I think because he already is a crude + crass, gaudy cartoon character, he brings out the worst in lazy cartoonists who are already very bad at what they do anyway.

calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:55 (three months ago) link

I'm having a bit of u-turn on this cos a farting shitty nappy is pretty lolsome tbf!

calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:59 (three months ago) link

That is startlingly bad.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 6 June 2019 20:06 (three months ago) link

yes it is, I have come to senses again after an evening constitutional.

calzino, Thursday, 6 June 2019 20:09 (three months ago) link

Was sure we had a thread for over explained cartoons in general but couldn't find so putting this here

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/62117358_10214303142924877_2516822325463089152_n.jpg

Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 7 June 2019 02:31 (three months ago) link

Chris Riddell can draw at least.

chap, Saturday, 8 June 2019 10:52 (three months ago) link

better evidence needed imo

mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:02 (three months ago) link

His kid's illustrations are nice.

chap, Saturday, 8 June 2019 11:15 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9wlGdCWsAEe12Q.jpg

soref, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:41 (two months ago) link

at least the unsmiling guardianista stasi neighbours have a better purpose than fucking netflix in their lives!

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:58 (two months ago) link

Just can't stand this guy's style, looks ugly and captures nothing

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/91505101a80a0e7ee373a723c94b945256f87178/0_0_2023_1213/master/2023.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:02 (two months ago) link

Jennings drew this cartoon about the Extinction Rebellion protests a few weeks ago and I don't understand it

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bab061d76b116c855fb9b078f2428b8ef3bad89c/0_0_3035_1819/master/3035.jpg?width=940&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=bc939cf0fb2e08504dc32f49737b79e6

I know ER protesters were gluing themselves to structures, so the woman gluing her hand to the man's head is a metaphor for how they are making the public think about climate change, I guess? Is there any significance to the fact that the man looks like Pep Guardiola?

soref, Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:37 (two months ago) link

Yes... I don't... what is... I don't get what that is trying to say... does she fancy the guy and, er, that explains the lascivious grin... no, sorry, I give up.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:41 (two months ago) link

Doesn't look like Pep to me but yeah, this is incomprehensible.

Is he trying to say he can only think about climate change now that a protester is glued to his head? idgi

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:56 (two months ago) link

Ben Jennings is the absolute worst.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:58 (two months ago) link

The 496 (!) comments on that one aren't making it any clearer either.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:59 (two months ago) link

he did that fucking awful Hockney swimming pool pastiche with Gove with the knife. A combination of bad ideas allied to bad drawing talent is a recurring theme in all of his work, but sometimes the bad ideas get even worse.

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 23:46 (two months ago) link

If I'm being charitable I'd guess that he's implying people are being indoctrinated by climate change rhetoric, but yes it's pretty lame.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 24 June 2019 07:03 (two months ago) link

I think it's just a silly joke rather than a statement? But a crap one.

chap, Monday, 24 June 2019 11:02 (two months ago) link

What's the joke?

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:03 (two months ago) link

you'd think a climate change protestor would know better than to glue themselves to the solar panel for a sex machine

turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:07 (two months ago) link

lol

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 June 2019 11:08 (two months ago) link

we have a winner (i have no idea what's going on here)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEYkcOxXUAAHVFU.jpg

mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 15:57 (two months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-eliN7UEAM-sN2.jpg:large

mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:03 (two months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-eliN7UEAM-sN2.jpg:large

mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:04 (two months ago) link

its hard to know, rly, whether we are seeing the two fools and their impression of ireland and a miracle deal, or whether idk its just a lazy shit effort

damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:22 (two months ago) link

and ofc it can be both

damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:23 (two months ago) link

i mean yes it's an "away with the fairies lol unicorns" message mocking both of them and arguing that their conception of ireland is fantastical at best

but it's also a v bad cartoon (bcz the leprechauns aren't doing riverdance)

mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:43 (two months ago) link

they clearly are?

damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:49 (two months ago) link

flatley rules clearly state that the arms must n

mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:53 (two months ago) link

well who fuckin died and left him lord of the d

damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:54 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9752ad64c8f11291a98d3b06fa59454ed32845e4/0_0_4825_3007/master/4825.jpg?width=940&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=379503a202aa5427469bb0a304184aa7

more garbage from Rowson, same drawing talent deficiencies and horrible colour sense and now also he's using that same Corbyn in a Lenin hat the S*n uses.

calzino, Friday, 2 August 2019 19:11 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Appealing to people who want to bring back dial-phones?

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:23 (one week ago) link


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