brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

There are so many anti-disabled actions going on right now. The current ATOS campaign against MS sufferers has already caused one attempted suicide in my house. This is why I like gulag talk, cos fuck all these people forever, and any of their mealy mouthed apologists. I am sort of directing this at the "think of the feelings of liberals" bleatings from earlier. Some people don't seem to realise how hard pressed some people are becoming under current conditions. I don't mean this in a self-pitying manner, but in a things are very hard right now, for absolute real, kind of way. And anger is getting quite visceral manner.

God fearing cunt, Ian Cunt Jr. in the news:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/07/mp-100k-gifts-brexit-trade-deal/

this guy is so bent + amoral that he bought Shergar's teeth from the IRA!

fuck, Calzino, that's tough. I wish you and yours very well, mate.

Don't worry, maybe cometh the 100th Red October anniversary, cometh the start of the UK Gulag Archipelago. I am only bitterly joking really!

Shit, I had no idea your own situation was anywhere near that rough. No one should be defending that shit for a second and no one who does has any business calling themselves anything other than a Tory prick. All the best.

best wishes to you calzino. my wife has MS as well and can't work, so i'm sure there's some ATOS-related fuckery in the pipeline for us too

Offering best wishes to both of you.

also let's Baader-Meinhof some motherfuckers

thanks j. my wife has a half-decent pension from 20 years of nursing, so we're actually relatively lucky. would be inconvenience rather than jeopardy in our case eg. we could lose the car but would still have a roof over our heads. so many people out there not as fortunate as us though.

I can't find a link anymore, but a week, possibly two weeks ago I read a story about an English mother in her 70s who committed suicide because slowly more and more benefits and help for her autistic son were stripped away, she didn't see a way out. It stuck with me since bcz of Calzino's story. This is as real as it gets. I'm surprised I'm not hearing more about it (though I might not pay attention enough). There should be nationwide outrage.

Best to you both, Calz and Nick.

you're not hearing more about it because the media doesn't give half of one fuck

Yeah, best to you, man.

yep, all this bullshit will be over soon (in a good way), the tories are already dead, just somehow still twitching

NV mostly right, they can care in short bursts when the rating/readers groundhog indicates there's some eyeballs in it, and then it's 180 degrees around to the same shit that's normalising it. One piece every day on page 18 would do more good than a LIVING HELL OF HERO MUM THWARTED BY LABOUR COUNCIL front page once a year.

yep, all this bullshit will be over soon (in a good way), the tories are already dead, just somehow still twitching

by twitching, do you mean "still in power"?

lmao @ people who grew up in this country thinking "this tory government won't be around for long"

I have a sickly feeling that Corbyn's lol fashionability may have peaked

Stephen Bush's Peak Corbyn piece addresses that

Major's government did survive a long time. It didn't have brexit hanging over its head though that isn't to say it will be over soon.

Whether he's fashionable or not is neither here nor there, what Corbyn has that he didn't have before is a degree of power and authority (and the perception of both, which is almost as important). These are qualities that drained away from May almost immediately after the election and once they're gone it's virtually impossible to get them back - barring something huge and unexpected happening like, erm, a war. The Cabinet is weak with very few popular faces in it and it's about to preside over a debacle.

how does it address it? talking about something is not addressing it.

xpost.

Lol

I will try and be more precise in future on this and many other things.

seriously, i read the piece. how does it "address" the idea that corbyn has hit peak popularity? it just begins by saying some in labour think this is true, and some think it isn't.

like arguing with a scientologist

NV talks of a feeling that a fashion for Corbyn might have been reached. It's speculative, and all I was doing was pointing him to that piece which might give him more to think about on that point. It's also speculative, offers no stats or science.

It's pretty much impossible to read anything good about Corbyn let alone write it.

The question isn't whether or not Corbyn has hit peak popularity but whether the Tories have hit peak unpopularity (almost certainly not). People will vote for a government they dislike as long as it's seen as competent, and that's unlikely to the case for much longer.

A lot will depend on residual fear of a Corbyn government (likely to be significant) both from some swing voters but also from Tory MPs themselves. The press are never going to support him but it might affect the severity of the kicking they would otherwise give to the Tories.

The biggest threat now is that a Tory regicide puts someone more popular than May in power. Whether such a person exists I don't know.

however glorious this year's election defeat may have been, it's bought the Tories time. and I can't believe that May will lead them into the next election. the forces that galvanized Labour and forced the media to cover what Corbyn had to say feel like they're dissipating already. and we know he isn't strong as a soundbite parliamentary performer - which is great, but doesn't help my feeling that the party is sliding back into the doldrums. we'll see. I guess politics doesn't happen in the summer.

i can't believe the election was only in june, it feels like a hundred fucking years ago

Corbs could liven things up with a show trial and public execution of Blair, that'd be good.

Lol I can't believe I wrote my last post. Can someone fucking kill me already?

Please tell me if I addressed LGs critique or merely talked about it before putting me down. Thanks.

May really did drop off the radar altogether post-Grenfell. I've never known a PM disappear for so long.

She's extremely good at not showing up

I'm hoping this is just the feeling of accelerated time means that when something isn't happening right this second it must be declining. Difficult to tell (I hadnt thought of Labour sliding back till you mentioned it but who knows). As for May...I feel like if she survives next year might then last the duration but I'm not hugely able to read the lay of the land

Or is Davis acting leader now

all political punditry feels like speculation now, it'd be thrilling to live in such unpredictable times if it wasn't just as likely to be 1849 as 1848

what do the latest opinion polls say?

Labour ahead by about 2/3 points.

hmm, an arsenal with their noses just in front in january scenario then

corbyn knows

Major's government did survive a long time.

They clung on to a slowly vanishing overall majority for more than four years, though. May's starting point is worse than Major's 1996 position, never mind 1992. I don't see how they could possibly get through five years without a general election.

Night and day from what it was, Nick.

we can't have a general election until we've finished blowing raspberries and flicking Vs at the European Parliament

The Tories are mostly benefitting right now from the electorate's exhaustion (probably the media's too - rw papers criticism of May seems v reluctant and vague and they still go a hundred times harder on Labour fwiw at this point). 'Yeah but Labour would be worse' is bottomless reasoning but what do their voters have beyond that at this point?

The Tories will win the next election, don't kid yourselves.

the next election will be fought in the Thunderdome

master blaster 4 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/brexit-eu-negotiations.html

cold

As a late Friday present, this is delicious:

https://www.conservativehome.com/majority_conservatism/2017/09/our-cchq-election-audit-the-rusty-machine-part-two-how-and-why-the-ground-campaign-failed.html

They were on to a hiding, but their arrogance made the hiding even worse - the point where polling spurred them on to pull resources from Labour marginal seats for supposed gains further up and further in is amazing.

Also a suspicion that the best journalism about the shambles of the selection process was happening on www.conservativehome.com