brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Well, pretty big news if you discount him shooting himself in the face on Good Morning Britain.

I just control f-ed up thread and I must have been looking at the same story, and mistaking it for current when I posted about it on here back in July. Oops sorry!

No bother.

Mogg gets away with ill-educated(!) claptrap like "because of the good work of our farmers we have always been able to feed more than the population we produce". I don't even think anyone even buried in the last century has lived in a period of food self sufficiency in this country. But this fucking ugly little prick can make shit up like this on the spot, stuff that kids in primary wouldn't get away with, completely unchallenged. cos he lives in a big house. And the BBC of course.

Compeletly otm, and massively depressing.

activate's twitter has gone a bit quiet since yesterday

Retweet if you agree Jacob Rees-Mogg as Prime Minister would be absolutely #Brexcellent pic.twitter.com/l8VixnqAl5

— Activate (@ActivateBritain) September 5, 2017

Isn't the point of Activate to actually appeal to young people? Are they really not able to do better than JRM or are they just cretins?

is dominic raab a thing, i saw ppl talking abt him today and had never heard of him

he's quite something alright

#Brexcellent

JRM was interviewed by Ali G, who was popular among young people... well, around the time that the Activate ppl were at university

kicker for the brexit crew is that jrm wants to sever our ties to brussels ...and move us closer to rome instead

Are they really not able to do better than JRM or are they just cretins?

both, i think

as shitty as public discourse undoubtedly is in the uk i find it pretty heartening that jrm's views on abortion are widely and correctly regarded as total bullshit

is dominic raab a thing, i saw ppl talking abt him today and had never heard of him

Sadly no relation to Kurt. He was one of those upcoming right wing monsters, along with Priti Patel and Kwasi Kwarteng, who were suggesting the problem with the British, though not them personally of course, is they're lazy and should be more like Indians and the Chinese. Maybe a bit too much of a robot for the GBP though.

he's mates with Carswell IIRC, i.e. a swivel-eyed Brexit Bastard

Tom Tugendhat is probably worth keeping an eye on.

a JRM suicide is exactly the sort of cheering news I needed today

the state of these fannies

How many RTs can we get for this man? #MoggMentum pic.twitter.com/BOoVnZ4wfa

— MoggMentum (@MoggMentum) September 5, 2017

a JRM suicide is exactly the sort of cheering news I needed today

― stet, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 12:03 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

disappointed he didn't actually shoot himself onscreen

googling round to examine the issues w/a catholic becoming PM (none so far unless you count TBlair keeping it secret; historically considered problematic esp.among tories, who knows rhese days) and i found a sad quora answer explaining that (a) there are technically no LEGAL issues (as there are for example re the monarch and catholicism) but anyway (b) the next PM will be a jewish atheist

he then spells EdM's name wrong :(

lol also a hostile michael gove declared theresa may our "first catholic prime miniister" in march (bcz she gave up crisps for lent)

since we're living in the likely time of the end of the union, i think all this morbid nonsense has purchase, in all kinds of directions

"the problem with the British, though not them personally of course, is they're lazy and should be more like Indians and the Chinese."

I have been repeatedly hearing these productivity obsessed Tories quite a few times in recent years on R4, without always putting a name to the voice. Surely it doesn't take a genius to work out why workers in a country where anti child labour laws aren't strictly enforced, or a quite ruthless command economy, have much higher productivity rates than the UK.

unwanted foetuses to be sent to work as slaves in our future marmalade megafactories, everybody happy

when they are discussing productivity, the talk is all couched in euphemisms. Obv they don't dare call for a return of Victorian sweatshops, but I doubt they think improved wages and worker protection is a solution.

Exactly. UK productivity is a legit problem but you don't become Germany by slashing protection, you do it by having better management, better wages, losing the culture of 'putting the hours in', giving workers a stake in the company, engaging people with worker councils, etc - ie. the antithesis of UK management consultant groupthink.

tbf (wtf?) virtually every country has higher productivity rates than the UK. Even those lazy socialists in France.

Japan - which is pretty brutal in its work/life balance - has substantially worse productivity than the UK iirc.

jr-m looks like he's torpedoed himself, good riddance to tory rubbish

― plp will eat itself (NickB),

Still second favourite to be next tory leader (7/1).

Doesn't have to win over electorate if he wants to be leader within next 5 years? Just has to win over Tory MPs. Are the base that bothered?

tim farron suggests it won't wash

― ogmor, Wednesday

Farron had a different crowd to win over though

Working harder/longer completely irrelevant to prroductivity or lack of.

I'm kinda gutted JRM is out of the race. They would have been annihilated under his leadership.

Given that Boris couldn't get sufficient support from the Tory benches I'd guess the chance of Rees-Mogg getting to the final two in any putative leadership contest is virtually non-existent, especially as there's going to be more that one Brexit candidate in the mix.

Farron had a different crowd to win over though

― anvil

it's probably true that the collapse of the liberal distinction between private & public beliefs is primarily a consequence of identity politics & impacts the left more than anyone else

context of my virgin encounter with raab = stephen bush saying "v hard for stop raab stop leadsom stop boris and stop mogg to all succeed"

which does make a good point abt the nature of any upcoming tory leadership contest -- timing is awful for any of them, there's a fvckton of ambient angry despair and fribght in the party, no chalice more poisoned etc, but if it's on *someone* is going to win

also relevant: farron was just the most hapless party leader in living memory

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnPlO7mW8AELMAB.jpg:large

GiS farron milk

killllll meeeeeeeeee

http://i.imgur.com/5bQxXEC.jpg?1

context of my virgin encounter with raab = stephen bush saying "v hard for stop raab stop leadsom stop boris and stop mogg to all succeed"

Except this is what often does happen in Tory leadership contests - the moment anyone is tipped to actually win is the point where coalitions start being built against them, which is why Jo Johnson seems like a decent bet even now. Looking back - May, Cameron, Howard, IDS and Major all won against ostensibly bigger beasts, quite a few of them in some cases.

I wonder about Priti Patel, which would achieve the triple-whammy of allowing the Tories to feel superficially progressive and inciting more lefty handwringing while simultaneously allowing them to elect the most right-wing leader in their recent history.

Patel is incompetent as well as being actively awful and unpleasant so i think she is unlikely to get across the line. I have a suspicion that Johnson J. will be tainted by association with his brother.

On an unrelated note, it's amazing that after Trafigura, Thaksin Shinawatra, Pinochet, the Assads, etc something has finally stuck to Tim Bell / Bell Pottinger.

I was trying to think if she was on The Last Leg a while ago, but it was Baroness Warsi - Anyway, she was fairly pleasant there, notwithstanding everything else about her, obv.

something has finally stuck to Tim Bell / Bell Pottinger.

newsnight interview classics #48.

that was simply jawdropping. one of the most astonishing live interviews i've ever witnessed

it was indeed.
however, you do wonder if the point re his stroke earlier this year meant that actually, his advisors should have held him back from appearing on a live broadcast.

Patel is incompetent as well as being actively awful and unpleasant so i think she is unlikely to get across the line

This used to actually matter but now I'm not sure it does for as long as you have enough people cheerleading to drown out the incompetence/awfulness/unpleasantness.

I'd say Sajid Javid is worth a look, heated stables aside.

I'm mostly just fanficcing, but I wonder if we'll ever see Ruth Davidson's hat in the ring.

ILX in 2017 not suitable for my first response to that

The Tories are probably praying one of their new Scottish MPs falls under a bus, but I think she'll be staying in Scotland for the moment. She'd best be careful though because I think the Tories 'success' in Scotland is a bit of a flash in the pan, she won't always be seen as a winner.

She just said some really unacceptable shit about Travellers, right?

She is taking advantage of her special status to make a lot of "This will be a fvcking disaster FYI" noise, though - she might end up MP for Foyle.

xp - I could only find her claiming an MP who'd said they'd be his first priority if he was Prime Minister was talking about legitimate and local concerns.

re: Brexit, you mean?

Yeah.

always funny when "nationalists" don't know which way up the flag goes.