brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

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There was a genuine Jolyon being all sadface about the Owen Jones piece on a centrish pal's FB and I had to stifle a giggle.

kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

even if mandatory reselection for every MP is reintroduced at conference, deselection is up to local parties, not a central body

But I think this kind of move will push toward a tighter scrutiny on what the likes Frank Field or Neil Coyle are doing. Again if more people and the composition of local parties change so that the agenda of the leadership and members is aligned it should be harder and may bring about deselections if they continue to hold members in contempt.

I guess what I am saying is its not hopeless lets see how it develops.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

So McDonalds workers are going on strike - a great day and again, Labour has made this kind of thing happen. Really important to have that support for strikes.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link

R.I.P Wes Streeting

I support McDonald’s workers who have balloted to strike for the first time in the UK over fair pay and conditions. https://t.co/TabOD9s95Q pic.twitter.com/7hL9dKBXX6

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) August 18, 2017

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link

In tomorrow's Mail, Tory MPs demand Big Ben is used to bong us out of EU at midnight on 31 March 2019 #Brexit 🇬🇧🕰

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) August 18, 2017

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 August 2017 09:33 (six years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world
This is probably rookie shit to some of you wise heads on here, but I found this long piece on Hayek vs Keynes and the progression of Neoliberalism from an idea to the only prevalent system, a right good read.

calzino, Saturday, 19 August 2017 09:42 (six years ago) link

it can't be explicated often enough tbh

put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:46 (six years ago) link

Grenfell happened just over two months ago. https://t.co/jovvDuHO9Z

— Marie Le Conte (@youngvulgarian) August 19, 2017

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 19 August 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link

The embedded tweet in case it doesn't show up:

Ex-deputy speaker Nigel Evans MP: "Health and safety have achieved what nobody other than the Luftwaffe has done since the Second World War" https://t.co/0kxNTCeJKT

— Christopher Hope 📝 (@christopherhope) August 18, 2017

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 19 August 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link

Pam Ayres ‏Verified account @PamAyres Aug 18

What's Big Ben without its bong?
Why the silence for so long?
Act now, all Big Ben befrienders!
Donate sets of ear defenders.

koogs, Saturday, 19 August 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link

Great work from the ONS:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/24/almost-all-international-students-leave-uk-after-finishing-studies

Estimate that 'up to 100,00' foreign students overstay their visas each year.

Put out a statement that the 100k figure is 'experimental'.

Actually check and find that it might be a couple of thousand and they're not even necessarily staying illegally.

As a chaser, miscalculate the tuition fees they're paying by about £2.1bn.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 24 August 2017 11:23 (six years ago) link

And as if 100K was a problematic figure in the first place.

nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link

The bigger problem is that racists will just point to this as 'see how easily the stats are wrong - that's how we reckon there are way more migrants than what they say there is'.

nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link

Ms Pidcock, who is a vocal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, said: "My very very initial reflections are that there are two basic types of Tory. You’ve got the ones – like Boris Johnson – who are so blinded by their own privilege and have never experienced hardship, that they genuinely seem unable to see what it’s like in our communities.

"If they see someone in tears from the sheer weight of everything that’s being piled on top of them their reaction is, ‘oh you’re being very dramatic’.

"The other type is completely ideologically driven. They seem genuinely to believe capitalism is the best way to improve society and it blinds them to the evidence under their nose.

"Whatever type they are, I have absolutely no intention of being friends with any of them."

She said this is because she considers them "the enemy".

Ms Pidcock explained: "The idea that they’re not the enemy is simply delusional when you see the effect they have on people".

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link

Heh yeah I followed her on Twitter as soon as I saw that :D

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link

Fucking August...

Pidcock only echoing what Dennis Skinner has said numerous times to zero fuss.

nashwan, Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link

crucial difference for telegraph readers, tho, is dennis skinner's soundbites being delivered by *gasp* a young woman

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link

real monocle-into-the-cormflakes material for the bufton-tufton set

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link

Labour needs more Laura Pidcocks and less centrist cocks

Neves Say Neves Again (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 August 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

wikipedia facts abt tufton victor hamilton beamish, baron chelwood (for tufton bufton is he):

"He avoided being captured at the fall of Singapore by taking to a rowing boat with seven other men. The men rowed to Sumatra but upon reaching their destination they found that it too had fallen to the Japanese…"

"He was strongly opposed to the Soviet Union's domination of Eastern Europe to which he addressed himself in his 1950 book Must Night Fall? In 1970, he published a book, Half Marx, warning against the rise of the extreme left in the Labour Party. His other noted publication was a book on the Battle of Lewes (1264) between King Henry III and Simon de Montfort, but he is most noted for his interest in nature conservancy"

His daughter is a ScotLab MSP, obviously

mark s, Thursday, 24 August 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link

This "both sides" bollocks annoys me no end:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate

On the one hand yes Traingate turns out to be bollocks but on the other did u no that one of the directors of the company that revealed the new footage is actually the guy filming the original footage?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

i mean so what?

mark s, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

Here is your centrist gran telling you to grow-up: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/denouncing-tories-laura-pidcock-mp-westminster

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link

btw, has anyone written any counter to this?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/brexit-eec-britain-efta

Apparently brexit might turn out ok if we look to efta?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link

xp wasn't expecting the shout out to Militant's Dave Nellist in that article

Pidcock should look at the record of the 1980s Militant MP Dave Nellist, who was a master of procedure, and sometimes very funny, as well as often angry

a former Militant member once told me that their MPs were specifically forbidden from drinking in the House of Commons bars, lest they become overly chummy with the class enemy

soref, Friday, 25 August 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit

this sounds good, hope it doesn't fall apart within a couple of hours like previous Labour announcements of a new brexit position

soref, Saturday, 26 August 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link

having read on a bit further, this bit doesn't sound so good:

Permanent long-term membership would only be considered if a Labour government could by then have persuaded the rest of the EU to agree to a special deal on immigration and changes to freedom of movement rules.

soref, Saturday, 26 August 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

In this new BBC series, a team of intrepid detectives hunts down fictitious foreign students overstaying their visas pic.twitter.com/GqFbSsiijz

— Alexandre Afonso (@alexandreafonso) August 25, 2017

more like insipid defectives, innit?

calzino, Sunday, 27 August 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link

o shit the tories have memes now, game over for the left

Welcome to Activate UK. #activateuk #meme #retweet #rt pic.twitter.com/PEqbyjjA4Q

— Activate UK (@Activate_uk_net) August 28, 2017

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link

strong, relevant first effort there

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link

what could possibly go wrong


Activate is an independent national grassroots campaign organisation that seeks to actively engage young people in the right of centre politics, make a case for what conservatism can offer and provide a platform to enable their voices to be heard.

We are committed to modern, open and member-driven politics in the Conservative Party, working to get Conservatives elected and ensuring that a Conservative government is in power.

We intend to reclaim the voice of young people in politics, bringing together individuals and groups in our education system, workplaces and communities. We will campaign and organise to ensure that issues that are important to them are heard, discussed and addressed.

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:33 (six years ago) link

Star Wars bores probably already Tories tbf

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:33 (six years ago) link

down with the kids

Dying at this tweet from the guy who runs it... pic.twitter.com/Gh5kALku6Z

— S★mmy✌️ (@samstyles147) August 29, 2017

André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:37 (six years ago) link

there's loads of kids already engaged in right of centre politics, they're called public schoolboys

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:41 (six years ago) link

#meme #retweet #fellowkids

mark s, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:41 (six years ago) link

srsly straining my brain to think of any current Tory ideas with undeniable appeal to The Youth

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:45 (six years ago) link

Pension triple-lock shurely

André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:46 (six years ago) link

some of the oh so hilarious Activate pisstake memes doing the rounds make me feel like voting Tory, well maybe not, but stop doing this kind of thing please! Unless it is actually funny.

calzino, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:53 (six years ago) link

the dreary steeples that are nixing brexit:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-parishes-of-fermanagh-and-tyrone-are-unravelling-brexit-1.3201011

"The Border problem can be dealt with only if the UK stays in the customs union and, preferably, also the single market. The announcement on Sunday by the British Labour Party that it now supports doing this, at least for four years but perhaps for good, is thus of great moment for Ireland."

mark s, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:00 (six years ago) link

this thread (read down the bottom) doesn't make his takes on politics any more useful but it does somewhat unstitch the "all jolyons must have lived posh untroubled lives" argt*

David Benedictus is my biological father, and did go to Eton. There’s no mystery about this: it’s in his Who’s Who entry. /1 pic.twitter.com/8W1woSHFn0

— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) August 28, 2017

•which has always been a bit basic imo (disclaimer: windmill man is still a chump)

mark s, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link

I can't be bothered linking the Indie piece cos it has Frank Field in the url for starters! But TLDR version: FOI requests have revealed the DWP has pissed away over £40m on futile legal battles to prevent disabled people getting ESA payments, and the cost may be even much higher. ATOS + CAPITA have received £578m for "assessing" people for PIP since it launched. Shorter version: There is also a magic money tree when it comes to killing disableds, it seems.

calzino, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:10 (six years ago) link

was there a point where the Great British Public lost any shred of empathy for disabled people? I don't remember this base level of resentment and awfulness towards disabled people being on benefits when I was growing up with a wheelchair-bound dad, and that was Thatcher's Britain - is it just the army of cunty twitter Tories and Mail commenters emboldening the policies?

lol

Michel Barnier is acting like a smackhead begging for his next hit of our money. Time for this depraved addict to go cold turkey! pic.twitter.com/wSv7T5AWZL

— LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧 (@LeaveEUOfficial) August 29, 2017

André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link

xp
I often read comments like: there were too many people taking the piss, something had to be done .. etc. Like as if benefits fraud is the root of all society's ills and as if killing the disabled is a bit harsh, but acceptable collateral damage to sort out these malingerers etc..

calzino, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link

I sometimes have conversations with people where I argue that a huge national benefits system is bound to be vulnerable to a small degree of fiddling at the margins, but it's better that everybody in need is properly looked after and a few people cheat rather than nobody cheats but sometimes those in need lose out.

And people look at you for a minute while their mouth does the goldfish thing and you can see their brain going "NO, BUT SCROUNGERS, KILL THE SCROUNGERS" and then you feel a bit sad inside

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link

I've never gaf about benefits fraud, and sometimes in between company liquidations and layoffs - have quite happily committed it myself. At least people committing BF are putting it back into the economy, unlike those slippery tax avoiding fuckers, funnelling all their wedge into dodgy off-shore holding companies. Like our current Home Secretary for starters.

calzino, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

yeah i totally agree, that's just my attempt at being reasonable

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link


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