brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

can someone photoshop lord buckethead in place of vader here thx

http://i.imgur.com/MDOmo9K.gif

in these situations pinefox I honestly admire your optimism and ecumenism, but I don't believe that most of the centrist PLP can be trusted or that they have any genuine interest in social democratic economic reform. JC, as you say, did not start this fight.

re: the phrase "legitimate concerns"

sometime ilxor big beast tom ewing noted yesterday on FB that a tory minister had just use it of ppl wanting more money for public services

i'd love to think the plp would be taking a long hard look at itself in the light of the election results but they've not done much to earn the benefit of the doubt, for sure

xp: yes, I do have ecumenism, though not usually so much optimism.
I could be mistaken to be optimistic about what the PLP will do.

xp also: hilarious about Ewing as big beast! :D

Was going to say, ecumenically and optimistically:

It is great that we have gone from 'no one will serve and Labour is collapsing' to 'look how much "talent" we have'.

I am happy for eg Yvette Cooper to be Shadow Home Secretary*, + other such people to come back (NB Cooper was never part of any 'revolt', having refused to serve in the first place). Give Umunna a Culture / Arts job, why not?

(*I don't see any reason to think that YC would be 'too right-wing' in this post. One of her causes has been refugees, for instance.)

BUT I am also glad that Labour has shown how well it can do without such people - would the heroic BARRY GARDINER, perhaps the greatest star of the election, ever have had the chance to shine so brightly otherwise? He and Thornberry have earned a ton of credit and the right to top posts.

And we have the relatively leftist young talent of Rayner (also a great election figure), Long-Bailey - maybe a future Labour PM and Chancellor team! (!?!!) -- and I believe that Clive Lewis will return.

This is heartening.

re: the phrase "legitimate concerns"

sometime ilxor big beast tom ewing noted yesterday on FB that a tory minister had just use it of ppl wanting more money for public services

someone's gonna bollocked by conservative central office for using 'legitimate concerns' about actual concerns which have legitimacy instead of its actual proper meaning, which is as a fig-leaf for expression horrible opinions about immigration

a twitter thread perhaps worth reading on this same piece:

Can you actually imagine. Why will Jeremy Corbyn not listen to me and shoot himself in the foot?

— James B (@piercepenniless) June 14, 2017

(sorry deems, sometimes it's the only way)

("same piece" = the stephen moss piece)

also Stevie T's fave LISA NANDY - she has been too critical of JC for my liking - but these people don't have to have big controversial jobs, do they? I mean there are tons of junior posts they could be given?

Idea I just had: is it possible that some of these Labour MPs did well on June 8th partly BECAUSE they were refusing to serve in cabinet roles and thus had 'more time to dedicate to their constituents'?

lol, thread in question actually starts here:

Some thoughts on frankly embarrassing piece in the Guardian on Corbyn and how the new shadow cabinet should work: https://t.co/50cDlfXgJx

— James B (@piercepenniless) June 14, 2017

Mark: yes I am quite persuaded by that thread and didn't like the G article at all. He's right that the soccer metaphor is a bad waste.

But there is room for a lot of compromise here. No need for so much aggro; much need for unity and common purpose. No evidence yet that eg Cooper would turn voters off Labour, or would do anything bad and reactionary if appointed. The Chancellor Umunna idea is where it becomes absurd.

I can think of a certain newspaper and online media empire that needs to rethink its strategy lol

there are plenty of MPs whose stated objection to the kind of policies in the manifesto was that "they aren't popular enough" - they were wrong. if they still have objections, I'd like to hear explicitly what they are

The Guardian is rethinking its strategy.

it will soon be a tabloid!

Yes.

When you see he's tipping Ruth Davidson (not currently an MP) or the famously telegenic Philip Hammond at the next Tory leader you realise he understands virtually nothing about politics, and that's before you get onto the Labour stuff.

if they still have objections, I'd like to hear explicitly what they are

'b-b-but the poor might not get 100% crushed by the forces of late-stage capitalism!'

It is funny about the dilemmas for national parties re: being an MP or being an Assembly member.

Sturgeon presumably rules the roost most of the time in Holyrood but would be rather swallowed up in London.

Davidson will turn up again crowing at Holyrood about her MPs, but oddly - they are not her MPs.

Same thing with Wood, Jones in Wales, and the NI Assembly (if it ever gets going again).

It really is an odd thing - that Davidson is probably not the line manager of those Scottish Con MPs. But everyone talks as though she is.

I find that, unlike most others, I really hate Davidson. I am encouraged in this by ilx poster 'conrad'.

scots tories are generally the worst people on earth ime

i had taken it (without, like, actually checking)* that davidson worked quite closely with the architects of the scottish tory success (their campaign was entirely independent from the one run in england and wales): which wd give her a certain standing among scotcon

*(sometimes i think i wd make a good pundit)

Yes, I understand that. She is head of 'Scottish Con Party' or whatever.

But I think the MPs are still technically more independent of her than people make out? It's almost as though they forget that she is not an MP.

Sadiq Khan campaigned (maybe, up to a point) with some London Labour MPs (presumably not JC and Thornberry), and he is not credited as 'masterminding Labour's London revival' ... We understand that he belongs to a separate legislative body from them and has no authority over them!

(But I do actually quite like this kind of crossover between political spheres.)

I suppose 'RD for Con leader' is roughly equivalent to 'Khan for Labour leader'?

Yvette Cooper opened the door to ESA and Atos work capability assessments so I wouldn't let her within a mile of the frontbench until some kind of repentance move tbh.

that would have to be a big mof'king slice of humble pie as well.

But I'd have these red Tories expelled as "bad elements".

OK - but positively - does anyone else also look forward to a bigger future role for REBECCA LONG-BAILEY?

If she becomes a big media presence she will get called 'RLB', as in 'IDS'.

RLB, Rayner, Lewis for the Labour future top team! I am excited by this!

Rayner: PM

RLB: Chancellor

Lewis: Foreign Secretary

Burgon: Home Secretary

Caroline Lucas: Environment Secretary

Barry Gardiner: Deputy Prime Minister and whatever else he wants to do

'rlb' just makes me think 'rondon leview of books'

cuz i'm a latte-sipping elite, obv

Good of dan Hodges to release this statement today: https://t.co/75rAHdwVq6

— stupid spectator🌹 (@JosieLong) June 13, 2017

government seems holed below the waterline. ok events dear boy events but the last three events that have taken place (and it feels cold to talk in these terms) have all broken in labours favour.

corbyn's team has played a blinder since brexit really

will still be surprised to see this grubby deal w the DUP consecrated

also ... bring Ed Miliband back as Energy Secretary! :D

and then even if it does get signed off, what were about to enter the period of greatest legislative transformation in our history with what...... a zombie gov? or a magic money forest sprouting up in NI which the conservative base (& its distaste for the "subsidy junkies" in the province)... well, up with that they will not put

DUP have been the dealmakers of choice for a decade now it seems.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/

Davidson was completely in control of the Scottish Conservative & UNIONIST Party campaign, I don't think Theresa May/ austerity/ Brexit/ immigration whatever people in England voted on, played much of a role in the election in Scotland, which she made about one issue and one issue only. By the way, I've been looking at the Scottish results and Labour could win, and could have won, a hatful and another hatful on top by persuading a few Sturgeon-hating Unionists to vote for them instead of the Tories.

scots tories are generally the worst people on earth ime

not when theres yorkshire tories around, its a ruddy disgrace

scots tories vs yorkshire tories: fite!

There's talk that it's been delayed due to the fire, but diary commitments mean it could then go back to next week, which will obviously be a terrible shame because the drop of ink that would have dotted the last i was about to descend when this happened.

(the Unionist and Unionist union, not the Tories vs Tories fight - or is it etc etc)

new SNP leader at WM is a landlord who abstained on the homes fit for human habitation bill

RLB seems decent but always remember seeing her being somewhat shown up on a panel by a super-informed & enthused green candidate who was about 21

lots of SNP-LAB marginals now in scotland

it feels like that point in a game of chess where you've already won but your opponent either isn't smart enough to know or does know it but thinks they can force a swindle

Yes, I looked at a dozen or so seats and none had a majority of over 5000., almost all under 2000.