brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

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lol bastani is calling for a 650-seat strategy

deny him that you melts

mark s, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link

more tweets like this plz

George Bridges off (the talented one in DexEU). DUP deal tricky. Scot Tories drawing red lines. Arguments over Brexit. Gvt weaker & weaker

— Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) June 13, 2017

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link

- The decline of the Tories as the party of aspiration. This is *huge*. Labour leadership candidates, playing catch-up to the Tories, banged on about aspiration so much in 2015 that they barely saw Corbyn coming. In practice, "aspirational" policies have tended to mean lower taxes, help onto the property ladder and rising house prices thereafter. But we're talking about a generation now that feels their aspirations are being shredded - who cares about lower taxes when you feel like your route to a well-paying job has been cut off? Housing equity means nothing if you feel like you're going to be renting for the rest of your life. The focus on "strong and stable" ignored the question "stability for whom?"

Yeah, "aspiration" was all over the 2015 Labour pledges. Looking at it now, I'm staggered by just how mealy-mouthed and vague it all is, offering absolutely nothing concrete to suggest what Miliband's fantasy government would've done differently from Cameron's.

https://lbpreston.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/img_5445.png

110 of these mugs. Did any get bought? I'd like to believe they were ground up to a fine powder and buried in an unmarked grave along with that tombstone Ed was photographed standing in front of.

http://www.cityam.com/assets/uploads/content/2015/03/labour-mug-55195e39b3dc0.jpg

Pheeel, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link

this is amazing:

Research has shown that in this seat any mention of local issues will push voters to Labour. I know it is tempting to discuss local issues as this is Labour’s approach, but we must not be tempted. If we once discuss local issues on literature, social media or the doorsteps, we risk losing this seat. I know you have put together pledges that you wanted to get out in the final few days, this simple cannot happen now, if it does we will risk losing the seat. By discussing local pledges you'll push voters away from us.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/speakerscorner/2017/06/how-tories-lost

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link

i'm trying to remember how much salience this all had when it was gordon brown doing the same deal -- when it was more or less pre-internet, certainly pre-twitter

Wait holdup is this 2010? You'd had a twitter account for at least a year dude (and had been on the internet IE here for most of a decade)

This is amazing as regards Theresa May's inability to correct what's wrong with her (though she is presumably hoping that she won't face the public for another five years)

https://www.indy100.com/article/uk-general-election-2017-hung-parliament-conservatives-theresa-may-repeats-buzzword-7785491

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link

yes for some reason (unrelated to my advancing years i'm certain) i was confusing 2010 with 2000: however i still do NOT recall its salience on the internet much, or indeed twitter -- so what we're talking abt as much as anything is the changed nature energised political ecologies?

mark s, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link

That advice is genuinely astonishing.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link

hah! don't remind the electorate of how austerity is destroying their local services, just deal in platitudes. I could just imagine how popular that must have been with the doorstep campaigners.

calzino, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link

resident opens door, canvasser screams "STRONG AND STABLE" in their face, tip of the hat, move on

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link

This was classic from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw129jaW4Sk

Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link

Someone at work just burst out the other day "oh I am so tired of hearing about 'strong and stable'!"

So much for hammering a message.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

RMDE if people are slating Ellie Mae O'Hagan, who has been broadly supportive throughout, actually bothered to talk to Momentum supporters and understand them, and literally went out campaigning for Corbyn in marginal seats, then they aren't able to tolerate the tiniest bit of even constructive/healthy dissent.

The animosity largely comes from this blog.

Anyone who argues Labour’s woes are purely the fault of Jeremy Corbyn is living in a fantasy land. However — and here’s the rub — anyone who thinks that Corbyn isn’t transforming an existential crisis into an unmitigated catastrophe is equally delusional.

Except she didn't call him to step down so I don't share it, so avoiding the trap that someone like Owen Jones fell into - but like I said some people who really stuck with him are now lashing out and I certainly don't want to know how sorry anyone who wrote those pieces are. They just need to withdraw from public life and do something else.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

Jeremy Corbyn gets standing ovation as he comes into Commons for first time since the election pic.twitter.com/6mZQxVhMvp

— Esther Webber (@estwebber) June 13, 2017

stet, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

MUST SEE: "Oh! Jeremy Corbyn!!!"... Jeremy Corbyn greeted on first day back in Parliament with chant from delighted Labour MP's. pic.twitter.com/HPDZ5RuyxJ

— EL4C (@EL4JC) June 13, 2017

||||||||, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link

looking forward to the Ealing Studios biopic

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

passport to parliament is the best i can do, sorry folks

the boy in the absolute suit

mark s, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link

I think that blog post falls into the category of well-meaning wake-up call fwiw. The majority of people who supported Corbyn clearly didn't think he'd make it this far, and a lot of writers who did support him were constantly belittled (usually with a hefty dose of misogyny in for good measure). After the by-elections you would have been forgiven for fearing a wipeout and the destruction of the left, but he got his shit together after that and these writers swung behind him when it mattered. There's a gulf between that and people like Jason Cowley and Sarah Ditum.

You know who's been really quite lately? Tom Watson.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link

slowly, but surely...

DUP MP tells me there may be no deal with Tories until weekend & is predicting Queen Speech won't be until Monday 26 June, put back a week.

— joncraigSKY (@joncraig) June 13, 2017

||||||||, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link

How is it possible that this is still going on? They have to be deliberately putting this shit out there to win as many concessions as possible.

Labour probably have a vested interest in keeping this thing on life support for a while yet, the longer it goes on the worse the headlines will get. The caveat to that is that we're in a highly unstable political and economic environment right now (and the turnaround in Labour's fortunes since the local elections proves that) - difficult to see how they can come back from having to bargain to get every bit of legislation through, mind.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link

Do they have that long? I thought they had 14 days to form a government before Corbyn gets to have a go. And Brexit negotiations due on 19th

(I'm not sure where I got this 14 day figure from though: it's not in the FTPA, and I learned about it from a tweet)

stet, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link

Ah, it is in the FTPA, but Elections and Queen's Speeches don't count: 14 days from a failed no-confidence vote and that alone.

stet, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link

This is fantastic:

While the usual commentators are scratching their heads, guy this nails Corbynism in 85 seconds. Book him on all yr current affairs shows. pic.twitter.com/qlNrxyqx5m

— hrtbps (@hrtbps) June 12, 2017

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link

I think that blog post falls into the category of well-meaning wake-up call fwiw.

'delusion' in respect to supporters and Momentum members fell into slurs. Agree that O'Hagan's heart was in the right place and she did excellent work thereafter.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link

I'd argue that a lot of those supporters privately feared the worst and they kept on campaigning anyway. Not to feel any doubts at all about the likelihood of success would be pretty weird.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link

looking forward to the Ealing Studios biopic

Meanwhile, who the fuck is going to want to watch a docudrama depicting Theresa May's rise to power last year?

Theresa vs Boris: How May Became PM was commissioned before Mrs May called the snap election.

... I'll bet it was. Nice try BBC.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link

Its one thing to have doubts but 'delusion' is a bit over the top.

Tom Crewe at the LRB also talked to Momentum members earlier this year to similar effects at times. Defending them and yet..

Can't wait for his follow-up. And fuck knows what Runciman is going to write.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link

Unexpected playoff win and promotion means fairweather fans and glory hunters. We'll need those lads to compete for the title. They'll be dancing in the streets of Westminster tonight

anvil, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link

Gove?

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link

If they were serious about this they'd have Andy Serkis in a spitting image mask to play gove

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link

ffs are the bbc going to pay us to watch this shit?

calzino, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link

"dramas" that are just stuff in the news/biographies of famous people from the 60s done by impressionists for an hour and a half are some of the great BBC productions of the last 15 years

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link

who can forget Tony Blair and Gordon Brown Didn't Like Each Other, Doctor Who is a TV Programme from the 1960s or The Secret Life of Peter Sutcliffe?

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link

all starring Michael Sheen

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link

oh don't forget The Night Manager 💩

calzino, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link

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calzino, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link

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calzino, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link

Tony Hancock wasn't Funny All the Time

Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link

Jolly good evening watching the British football team - proper ordinary British fun!

Put your hands in the air like you just don't care pic.twitter.com/y5WI4DEnOW

— James Doleman (@jamesdoleman) June 13, 2017

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link

Fuck it's the dark crystal isn't it

May o God help us (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link

Or one of them

May o God help us (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link

As featured on the first mentions thread:

Meanwhile, someone has just alerted me to the uncanny resemblence between dominatrix Tory MP Theresa May and a Skeksis...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 April 2003 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nashwan, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link

I keep having to remind myself that there is a not insignificant constituency of people out there who actually think like this

The UK negotiating team on Brexit SHOULD be; David Davis. Jacob Rees Mogg. Nigel Farage. Scare the hell out of the EU.

— David Vance (@DVATW) June 13, 2017

soref, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link

Thankfully there are not too many people like David Vance around, he's a nutjob.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link

Most of them are in the DUP though.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link

God help us if there's a war when your most rabid jingoists' idea of 'scary' is Jacob Rees Mogg.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 08:41 (six years ago) link

we are prepared to front up with the silliest man in the history of the british isles, that is our level of confidence

mark s, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 08:45 (six years ago) link

think it's more "chinless, monocled Gestapo officer" he's thinking

pray for BoJo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 08:45 (six years ago) link

this is a face that was born to swim into focus, heavily backlit, in a bare-concrete interrogation room

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1920x1080/p038tmsj.jpg


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