Bartender Best Practices

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calstars, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 22:18 (two years ago) link

1: When the customer pays with a $20, place his change face-up so that if he decides to leave, there's less of a chance he'll notice or remember the $10 at the bottom

calstars, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 22:19 (two years ago) link

2: to maintain a regular customer's anonymity upon greeting, refrain from using familiar phases like "nice to see you again" and instead prefer generalities like "how's it going"

calstars, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 22:20 (two years ago) link

3. http://i.imgur.com/uyM4phJ.gif

i n f i n i t y (∞), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 22:22 (two years ago) link

4. Welcome children into bars with loving arms.

Jeff, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 22:52 (two years ago) link

I like this thread, I want more

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 June 2017 10:24 (two years ago) link

Always a classic: http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/3/8291561/best-music-video-bartender

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:06 (two years ago) link

6. if you're shaking up a drink make everyone and everything around stop moving so that your motions will form a seamless loop

http://i.imgur.com/L8MAe1g.gif

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:15 (two years ago) link

dude

i posted that one already

i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:25 (two years ago) link

i was trying to make a joke about making it seamless by fixing the person in the background and the moving computer screen logo

but you're right, as soon as i posted it i thought 'god i'm dumb'

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:34 (two years ago) link

7. Know a little bit about the beers on tap

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:42 (two years ago) link

xp

oh dude

props

i just saw that you fixed it tho

i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:54 (two years ago) link

A martini is made with gin AND vermouth

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:25 (two years ago) link

9. We're gonna need a bigger cocaine

Beetle Juice continued to spit all over our drinks (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:31 (two years ago) link

3. Be somewhat inconsistent regarding when buy backs are initiated. This will keep the willful customer buying, searching for that elusive goal.

calstars, Monday, 12 June 2017 20:56 (two years ago) link

4. when you're sliding into first, and you feel something burst....

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 June 2017 20:57 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

10. The hours advertised as "Happy" as listed on the placard outside the bar are subject to change depending on when a certain number of customers come in.

calstars, Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:06 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

NYTimes article "how to get and keep a bartender's attention" contains this nugget :
"In the event of a free drink, tip for its full price"

calstars, Thursday, 5 October 2017 15:40 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Never ask a customer’s name. But be ready to provide yours.

calstars, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:47 (one year ago) link

that's....weird.

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:52 (one year ago) link

like...why shouldn't they ask

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:52 (one year ago) link

Horniness on the part of the customer (tinder/AM?)

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:15 (one year ago) link

the bartender is going to learn your name anyway when you give them your credit card. and your last name.

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:16 (one year ago) link

More accurately: never ask a customer’s name unless they ask yours.

calstars, Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

Yeah, that is creepy if a bartender asks/uses your name. I feel like some super heavy touristy places do that to milk tips from tourists assuming all of NYC is rude.

Yerac, Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:49 (one year ago) link

The names thing works differently in different places. Big/busy/heavily staffed bars may have different reasons to give and ask for names than a cozy local does.

Bartender to patron: "My name's Kate if you need anything." Okay, maybe this is a management directive intended to make things more personable.

I don't relish it but I also don't mind it, and can see situations where it sometimes makes things easier for when you want something. One can now say "Kate" instead of "Excuse me" or "Miss" (which, ugh) or "Hey Barkeep," or maybe helps avoid "Yo, sugar tits!" And using words is preferable to waiting to catch the eye of a busy bartender, or doing the pathetic raised finger thing.

Also can be handy to know which person is "your" bartender in case checks/tips are being handled separately in that establishment. Sometimes there are non-bartenders behind the bar, and you might be asking a waitron, or a kid who's just refilling the ice.

"My name's Trevor, what's yours?" is a different vibe. Again, it's not necessarily ideal but it's probably not the bartender's fault; they are instructed to ask. I can see why it would be helpful in some places. Some people are running a tab, some people are paying as they go, some are using cash, some are using cards. Some people are sitting still on a stool and others are moving around the bar. Easiest to just get a first name to keep track of each patron.

Maybe their computer requires a name for each order. I have sometimes looked at my check and seen something like "glasses guy."

In some places having my name allows them to ostentatiously show that they remember it, and the associated drink. "Another Maker's Mark, Patrick?" I don't usually mind, unless I am in a grumpy "leave me alone and keep the booze coming" mode. And when in that mode I generally choose a bar conducive to it.

Another wrinkle is if one intends to become a regular. Names come in handy then.

failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 11:16 (one year ago) link

i want to give my opinion on this, having worked as a bartender
if there is some connection or the person probably wants you to use their name in the future 99% of the time, they will at some point say: "hey, i'm katie" or something similar.
definitely never ask.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:09 (one year ago) link

not really required and i stopped doing this at some point when my memory for regulars got better but i would make a note in my notebook with a few details about katie (drink notes, GLASSES, AUSTRALIAN, JW ANDERSON JACKET) (without her name, i would still add the notes with description) and when she comes in again and orders her drink, i can if necessary discreetly flip open to my notebook. 2ND time she comes back: "it was katie, right?" + maybe some followup on our last conversation: "how did that work trip go, to... boston?" if no pushback, next times: use name. if they never gave their name, do not attempt to do callbacks to earlier conversations as they probably aren't into that, unless they follow up on previous conversations themselves.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:13 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7U3lo80YrQ

failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:18 (one year ago) link

I only go to bars where everyone wears name tags.

Jeff, Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

I wear a name tag whenever I go to a bar

Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:34 (one year ago) link

I have a couple places where my wife and I are regulars, I know all the bartenders' named and they know ours, but none of us ever use them.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:36 (one year ago) link

Just in case there’s a customer enamored with you (yeah but no), never invite your SO to the bar

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:19 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

When an old regular comes in after a hiatus, buy the first round. Or the third.

calstars, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:13 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

- Establish a first name basis ASAP
- emphasize in conversation what you have in common with the barfly
- give equal facetime to everyone at the bar

calstars, Sunday, 12 August 2018 02:51 (one year ago) link

- Establish a first name basis ASAP

erm...

Never ask a customer’s name. But be ready to provide yours.

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fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 August 2018 03:30 (one year ago) link

there are ways to solicit information without asking

providing your own name, or making enough small talk that someone gives their name works well

if you've made enough small talk, you can give your name again like "hey, I'm Travis, I work here wednesdays and saturdays, it's been nice talking to you"

if they don't introduce themselves at that point you've failed rapport

mh, Sunday, 12 August 2018 03:47 (one year ago) link

never visibly react negatively to something the customer says in a neutral or positive way, unless you have a good rapport and it's part of a real conversation

for instance, if you see someone who was a longtime regular and he says "hey, I'm gonna have a kid!" do not mumble "jesus christ" and wander off disgustedly

mh, Sunday, 12 August 2018 03:50 (one year ago) link

"my wife just died"

"oh, congratulations!!!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 August 2018 03:55 (one year ago) link

I have a lot of "don'ts" from a longtime bartender around town but I won't do them all at once

the best part was that he had (has?) a blog where he recounted stories and in half of them he seems horrible. and it's not a shtick, he really does act like that

mh, Sunday, 12 August 2018 04:00 (one year ago) link

I personally don't love it when bartender asks for my name.

Some qualifiers, though. I might make an exception when it's done _instead_ of swiping or keeping a credit card. That seems kind of homey and nice and trusting.

In most places, they have to put _something_ in the system to keep tabs separate. I'd rather have the check say "Patrick" than "weird guy at end of bar."

Your momma is so ethically praiseworthy (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 12 August 2018 12:39 (one year ago) link

Yeah sometimes it’s a good idea to ask (from the bartender’s POV) and sometimes not. Wrote that yesterday though when I was getting along well with a new bartender and her giving her name and asking mine probably swayed toward having another round there

calstars, Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:09 (one year ago) link

I hasten to note that in a lot of places it's probably not the bartender's choice, but rather his or her manager.

I don't think my local barkeep is personally thinking "Wow, that enigmatic yet weirdly handsome guy with the glasses who does advanced crossword puzzles while getting sloshed alone is extremely compelling. How I wish I knew his name!"

More likely the decree comes down from management or corporate, saying "EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, ALL BAR STAFF WILL INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, SHAKE HANDS, AND ASK THE PATRON'S NAME."

leica bridge over troubled cameras (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:15 (one year ago) link

Like Barbershop

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 August 2018 19:23 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

If there’s a group sitting at a table, instead of waiting for them to order rounds at bar, clear their empties and take the next orders. Keep them drinking.

calstars, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 23:14 (nine months ago) link

five months pass...

So these vertical IDs for minors these days, c or d

calstars, Saturday, 20 July 2019 19:22 (four months ago) link

makes sense

alomar lines, Saturday, 20 July 2019 20:36 (four months ago) link

When you run out of music to play, put on Mothership Connection

calstars, Friday, 2 August 2019 01:36 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Serve a group before a single

calstars, Saturday, 28 September 2019 02:59 (two months ago) link

A cig is the perfect break

calstars, Sunday, 29 September 2019 00:39 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

When serving, if possible, set the glass down on the bar with an audible “pop.” This augments the overall auditory experience of the customer and is a reminder of the impending rush of pleasure, potentially leading to a larger tip

calstars, Sunday, 20 October 2019 01:35 (one month ago) link

calma starstra

Tart Prepper (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 20 October 2019 02:18 (one month ago) link

"What's your name?" should only follow "Wanna start a tab?"

pplains, Sunday, 20 October 2019 02:37 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

If you sense a new patron is impatient or irritable, take his payment when you take his order. That will dissuade him from bolting while you’re pouring or otherwise engaged, leaving you one down on the count.

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:47 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

How garrulous to be ? Pluses and minuses on both sides. I think overall if you’re talkative and boisterous it’s to the benefit of the bottom line

calstars, Sunday, 1 December 2019 03:44 (one week ago) link

When you run out of music to play, put on Mothership Connection


Human Being Best Practices

brimstead, Sunday, 1 December 2019 05:21 (one week ago) link

Well alright!

calstars, Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:30 (one week ago) link

according to this thread, bars in the US are so far removed from the UK the experience is unrecognisable

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:27 (one week ago) link

American drinking culture is pretty shit

brimstead, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:56 (one week ago) link

How so?

pomenitul, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:58 (one week ago) link

calstars is a sui generis bar-room oddball

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:58 (one week ago) link

I never go to the clubbier/packed bars in my area but ended up in one for a friend's birthday. I couldn't quite hear what the upgrade was when I ordered a round (two beers, two mixed drinks) but for $1 per drink, I figured whatever it was would be fine, so I nodded.

It turned out it was "your second drink is a dollar" and I was presented with eight drinks. I tipped $4, which seems... fine?

mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:13 (one week ago) link

I also quickly figured out why I've seen so many people incoherently stumbling out of that place at relatively early hours

mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:14 (one week ago) link

wow

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 December 2019 20:17 (one week ago) link

wow x2

in Oregon they have a rule about how much actual alcohol you can order at once, e.g. you can't get a 2 oz bourbon sampler plus a full pint of beer, gotta dial that beer down to a beer back order.

sleeve, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:19 (one week ago) link

the owner of said bar used to have a place that would charge cover and then have a "penny pitchers" special in the early evening

the bar was surprisingly less objectionable than I expected, but very much in the "slap a new coat of paint on and change the place's name when business dies down" vein

mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:39 (one week ago) link

In a market system bars will both respond to customers' wishes _and_ shape their expectations. I am not defending this system, but merely observing it phenomenologically.

Do I sometimes wish there were introvert bars with privacy shields on either side and cunningly selective speaker systems that could pipe specific music or infotainment to each patron? Sure.

In the meantime I go to bars when I am okay with being in a bar. (This is true both in the US and the UK.) When I want to curate the experience to my taste, I stay home and fuckin curate the experience.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:02 (one week ago) link

according to this thread, bars in the US are so far removed from the UK the experience is unrecognisable

otm

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:49 (one week ago) link

I sometimes wonder what Americans make of service in bars in (for example) Dublin where it’s unremarkable for barmen to appear resentful at having to interact with patrons in any way.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:12 (one week ago) link

Right. I'm not used to bartenders talking to me beyond 'Can I help you?' and 'That's £10.40 please' unless I actually know them as a friend.

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:18 (one week ago) link

Flavourful 6%+ craft beer is easier to come by in North America therefore North American bars are inarguably superior.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:21 (one week ago) link

The worst pubs piss all over the worst bars though.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:22 (one week ago) link

I can’t put my finger on why it seems wrong to turn bar tending into an arm of the customer service industry. I’ve been buying pints off lads for 15 years and it wouldn’t cross my mind to ask them their name.

29 facepalms, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:22 (one week ago) link

way to ruin getting pissed, The US ;-)

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:27 (one week ago) link

If getting pissed is the goal, one can just buy a fifth of bourbon and nurse it all morning in one's own armchair while reading the collected stories of Somerset Maugham.

Going to a pub or bar is different, and should be.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:42 (one week ago) link

I’m a regular at a handful of cocktail bars in my area of the U.S. and they tend to take customer service very seriously—their goal isn’t just to make you drinks, but to groom your whole experience. I actually love it, and can always count on them to read whether I’m trying to shoot the shit or just have them leave me alone so I can dick around on my phone and have something boozy.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:39 (one week ago) link


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