THE DEUCE with David Simon, George Pelecanos, James Franco AND James Franco

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Guess we might as well have a thread for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2pXEzIQnUs

bet HBO are really regretting their investment after the Vinyl debacle

Number None, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 21:24 (one year ago) Permalink

HBO Drops Another Deuce

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 21:36 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Long preview article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/arts/television/the-deuce-hbo-david-simon.html

Eazy, Thursday, 24 August 2017 21:11 (one year ago) Permalink

James Franco, who directed two of the first season’s episodes, assumes double acting duty as well. He plays Vincent Martino, an ambitious bartender based on the man who had spun enticing tales of the Deuce, and his twin, Frankie, who shares none of his brother’s reservations about working in the sex trade for the mob.

Eazy, Thursday, 24 August 2017 21:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?
Just get another actor!

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:22 (one year ago) Permalink

And Franco is so annoyingly smug all the time. Ugh, not sure about this

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:23 (one year ago) Permalink

In the future, TV and movie viewers will be able to swap out actors at will for anyone in the canon.

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?

Jeffrey Jambor in Arrested Development & Nicholas Cage in Adaptation

but yes, it's almost always a bad idea

Number None, Friday, 25 August 2017 06:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Twin peaks is doing well atm

streeps of range (wins), Friday, 25 August 2017 06:58 (one year ago) Permalink

oh yeah lol

Number None, Friday, 25 August 2017 07:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I am cautiously optimistic about this tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 25 August 2017 08:15 (one year ago) Permalink

but I also loved most of Treme so

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 25 August 2017 08:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Otm

Spottie, Friday, 25 August 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

first episode is streaming now fyi

sktsh, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:09 (one year ago) Permalink

*on hbo go that is

sktsh, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:09 (one year ago) Permalink

they point out that the franco thing is a "based on a real life" thing but man i don't wanna see franco doing the patti duke

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:26 (one year ago) Permalink

The patti what

Οὖτις, Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:31 (one year ago) Permalink

it's a reference to patty duke's most famous role

In 2015, Duke made her final TV appearance, guest-starring as Grandma Janice and Great-aunt Hilary, a pair of identical twins, on "Liv and Maddie."

nomar, Sunday, 27 August 2017 17:45 (one year ago) Permalink

and Οὖτις's post was a reference to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgdisnVQf6A

Number None, Sunday, 27 August 2017 17:48 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

renewed for a second season

if i ever watch it wd be for Maggie Gyllenhaal

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 01:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?

uhhh, Jeremy Irons for Cronenberg? and the Hammer dude in the Facebook movie, on a more mortal level.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 01:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Fargo Season 3 has double the Ewan MacGregor, he's good as them.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Morbius OTM was waiting for Dead Ringers...

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 22 September 2017 02:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Keaton in Multiplicity is p funny

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 02:13 (one year ago) Permalink

This is really good so far. Feels nice and authentic without the "people playing '70s dressup" vibe of most recent films and tv things set in that decade ( yeah, "Vinyl", I'm looking at you). Cast is excellent.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

didn't hate ep one but also not watching anymore of this

johnny crunch, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:13 (one year ago) Permalink

a recommended old VV story on that milieu, "Deep Peep"

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=KEtq3P1Vf8oC&dat=19780501&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

I just learned that Margareta Levieva, who plays Abby the NYU dropout on this show, is 37 years old. Her character is supposed to be what, 19? I never would have guessed.

JRN, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:57 (one year ago) Permalink

woah

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:58 (one year ago) Permalink

*Margarita

JRN, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:58 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i think the latest episode was the first really good one. all of the separate pieces that have been slowly developing - the cops, the mafia, prostitutes and pimps, porno, the francos - are starting to intertwine and it's really satisfying. not unlike, for obvious reasons, the wire.

anyone else watching this? i am trying to break myself out of the habit of calling it "the douche, starring james franco AND james franco as the douche"

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink

didn't hate ep one but also not watching anymore of this

i felt the same way, btw, after watching the first couple. there was almost something exhausting about gearing up for more "prestige television". i know that doesn't make any sense. i suppose i should hold off on expressing any more enthusiasm until there are at least a few really really good episodes in a row, but i'm much more optimistic about that happening than i was at the beginning. there's a lot going on, so now i can see why they took the time to build up the world.

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:45 (one year ago) Permalink

there was almost something exhausting about gearing up for more "prestige television". i know that doesn't make any sense.

literally could not make any more sense

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

haha, well that's nice to hear. i mean, i hear things of that nature from my friends, too. but i'm not sure why i feel that way! "dang it, here's another really well produced serial tv/film, basically, which will bring my enjoyment for the next 2 to 6 years." maybe it's just the exhaustion of knowing that i might be expected to know what's going on with this show, in certain circles, and that if i don't know, i will feel left out?

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm watching it, it's solid in that particularly un-showy David Simon way where things happen and then some more things happen. Amazingly I don't think very much about James Franco being James Franco, which means this is probably his best role(s)?

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:39 (one year ago) Permalink

And it is driving me insane that for some reason Black Thought is credited as "Tarik Trotter" when everything else he's done has been "Tariq Trotter". Why???

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Amazingly I don't think very much about James Franco being James Franco

yeah, i actually don't mind franco but for some reason i really enjoy making fun of james franco, so i'm probably going to keep doing it. speaking of, check out this cool screen capture from imdb's website this morning:

https://i.imgur.com/9ZfjOnf.png

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I like this but it's so slow. Feel like Maggie G had been about to join films for 6 eps now.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Thursday, 19 October 2017 13:47 (one year ago) Permalink

HBO’s new ensemble drama “The Deuce” is, among other things, an unflinching show about the sex work industry in 1970s New York. But its most intimate exchange to date takes place in a moment of postcoital vulnerability between lovers. A bedside radio plays the Four Tops’ Motown hit “Baby I Need Your Loving” as Vincent Martino (James Franco), a thirtysomething bar proprietor, and his college-dropout bartender, Abby Parker (Margarita Levieva), lie in each other’s arms. “Do you like this music?” he asks, and her condescending laugh says it all. When he presses her about what she listens to, Abby turns the radio’s dial until she hears “Pale Blue Eyes” by the Velvet Underground. When she starts to tell a story about seeing the band at Max’s Kansas City, Vincent shushes her: “I’m listening.”

rmde

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 19:32 (one year ago) Permalink

That scene was not so good. It did make me wonder whether VU ever got any radio play, even locally in New York.

JRN, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:05 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that particular kind of um fictional license really leaps out I mean wtf

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah that was my least favorite scene in the show so far. Very Treme-era Simon.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:07 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw five minutes of this show. Might have been the first episode, or the fifth, who knows. Seemed ... nothing special, but it did at least look right.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:08 (one year ago) Permalink

God I’m sorry they played a band inaccurately on the radio how did you not shut off the show then and there.

rb (soda), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:13 (one year ago) Permalink

I never even turned it on, problem solved

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:17 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm agnostic on The Wire but this is decent. Paradoxically, its leisurely pace makes me think there needs to be more of it to be effective.

ryan, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:20 (one year ago) Permalink

started watching the first ep and am reserving judgment til I'm through w it but my first thought was what's up with all the blaxploitation tropes and zero mafia guys.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

also lol @ Method Man in a wig

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the mafia guys are present

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:54 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I liked the pilot of this but have yet to watch more. tbh I really liked Treme, esp the 2nd and 3rd seasons

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 18:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Wow, I had no idea about the three season plan! Fantastic. I love this idea.

Karl Malone, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

This was great! I'm wondering if Simon needs a good collaborator to make a good (mini-)series (Ed Burns, Richard Wright).

I had a omg moment when I saw that B'Elanna Torres directed an episode!

Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Also, if the brothers weren't identical, Ziggy would've been perfect to play Frankie.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 19 November 2017 06:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Oh my gosh you're right, I knew he reminded me of someone

paolo, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Just binged the whole thing this weekend

So much better than I expected. Loved the way the women all feel like real characters, the way the hookers interacted with each other etc was a huge selling point for me, and Maggie G killed it, so great.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ruby tho ;_;
I screamed when that john pushed her out the window.

Pelecanos said in the behind the scenes clip that Ruby was based on a real woman & she died exactly the same way.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

I think the show did a good job of showing how much of their job is survival, how tough those girls have to be to live that life. Also the desperate shitty nature of pimps. etc.

And I loved that final reverse tracking shot of the Parlor hallway, shiny wallpaper & all but the noises are the same, it’s still basically another Lionel Hotel for the girls. Just another hallway.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

also (sorry for multiposting)

totally did not clock Ralph Macchio at first l, had to look him up to work out who he played after i saw his name in the credits

i want a whole season just of Maggie’s character directing porn

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah that was def the most interesting plotline/characters imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 05:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

She just lit up the screen in every scene. Damn. I have always liked her but this felt like a new level

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

Some of the conversational riffing and background that's put into verbal exposition doesn't quite land. I was kind of left wondering, is anyone who's working on writing/production end of things actually gay?

It's a much more enjoyable show than I was expecting, especially the decision to make most of the season a slow burn.

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

Maggie G is a treat in this, for sure, and seeing her on the list of producers seems significant

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

i'm really excited to see where this goes next season, when the narrative leaps forward a few years. they did a good job developing the minor characters. guys like franco's brother in law, bobby, who ends the first season making a ton of money managing the sex parlor in cahoots with the mafia (and bizarro franco) - when the series resumes, will he be a full-time mafia guy, bossing around regular bartender franco? or will his life just be completely shattered already?

Karl Malone, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

there are gay and trans writers on staff apparently

Number None, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

Feel like the death of Ruby was a case of the show pulling its punches, it would have been bleaker if it had been Ashley (a more tragic character than Ruby) who was killed. During the previous episode I was convinced CC was going to catch up with her and prevent her from getting on that bus to freedom.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 27 November 2017 17:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

xp ok then!

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

Loved the bit where Vincent asked the junior mafia guy, "I'm not a made man am I?"

Hava Nagilum (Leee), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Watched the first episode tonight--good start. Franco quite restrained. Lisa P!

clemenza, Monday, 12 March 2018 02:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

hah, I only made that connection after the fact

mh, Monday, 12 March 2018 03:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

This was better than I thought it'd be--very low-key, good performances all around, lots of room for a second season. My two favourite characters are Harvey Wasserman, the Ron Jeremy-like director ("Get in there, my son"), and Rudy the Mob Guy. I wonder if Maggie Gyllenhaal partly modeled the Candy half of her performance on Nancy Allen in Blow Out. I expected Franco to be in full-blown Scorsese overdrive the whole way, but he's very restrained, even as Frankie. Ruby's death was a sad ending. The music's kind of buried in the background, but I liked the Undisputed Truth and (surprise) the Guess Who.

clemenza, Monday, 19 March 2018 03:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlKU8POYQsk

DJI, Monday, 13 August 2018 19:30 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

pretty enjoyable premiere, I love a bunch of these characters (say, 2/3rds of them). And sometimes I like the use of the diagetic music/ppl listening to the same thing on the radio and other times I feel like whoever the music producer is is just fucking up left and right. Like, "This Year's Girl" as the opening music is very on-the-nose but I felt like it worked until for no apparent reason they overdubbed a woman's voice over certain lines? And then having "Cosmic Slop" and "Roadrunner" being played on the radio? what fucking radio station that pimps + pornstars listened to was doing that in 1977

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 September 2018 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

otoh Barry White and whatever Moroder song that was in the gay disco were very well placed

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 September 2018 17:12 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

lol nobody's watching this, are they

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I am, but I'm watching season 1.

I didn't realize Megan Abbott was a writer and story editor on this; she's my friend's wife too, you'd think he'd more loudly socialize shit like this

akm, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

also: this is really a great series. I echo everything poositive everyone said up above. when it was originally being touted it was very much along the lines of 'here's the start of the porn industry!" which is selling it short. It's about a lot more than that. I appreciate shows like this that give me a picture of what NYC was like at that time; the first time I went to NYC was 1997 by which time all of that had been completely cleaned up. It's hard for me to fathom a big chunk of a city even being like this these days.

akm, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:50 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't know they were up and running again. I will definitely watch the second season, but I don't have HBO, so I'll have to wait for my bootleg DVD place to get it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still watching, but behind by a few weeks. Tough to watch this on the bus!

DJI, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:53 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah it is *really* broad in scope. Almost too broad, I think. I'm generally enjoying it because it's so well shot and acted, and if I don't like one storyline hey don't worry in 5 minutes the show will be shift focus to somewhere else. But I think it does lack a certain dramatic tension, there's a distinct lack of real conflict. Everybody is made sympathetic in one way or another, there's no real villains, and no real stakes to anything - none of the characters really seem to be in opposition to one another, so what you get is just kind of a bunch of semi-interesting (and usually lurid) stuff happening. It ends up feeling oddly inert.

the one minor character I miss from season 1 was the porn store owner. that guy was just too perfectly cast.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Been watching it ( missed this week's) and still loving the attention to detail. Some of the storylines are becoming yawnsome, though ( Gyllenhaal's (sp!) and the troublesome Franco "twin" especially). Love the cop stuff but I think I see where a lot of stuff is heading ( Maggie G's son prob inadvertently catching a porno starring mom / hooker porn starlet tries to leave pimp and trouble ensues/ etc etc). Girl who plays bar owner Franco's girlfriend should play Joan Jett in a biopic. Gorgeous.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Girl who plays bar owner Franco's girlfriend should play Joan Jett in a biopic. Gorgeous.

not gonna deny that she is v pretty but her character is so fucking annoying and unrealistic, that person did not exist in 1977.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 19:57 (one week ago) Permalink

What do you find annoying and unrealistic about the character?

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:01 (one week ago) Permalink

"yeah it is *really* broad in scope. Almost too broad, I think. I'm generally enjoying it because it's so well shot and acted, and if I don't like one storyline hey don't worry in 5 minutes the show will be shift focus to somewhere else. But I think it does lack a certain dramatic tension, there's a distinct lack of real conflict. Everybody is made sympathetic in one way or another, there's no real villains, and no real stakes to anything - none of the characters really seem to be in opposition to one another, so what you get is just kind of a bunch of semi-interesting ... stuff happening. It ends up feeling oddly inert."

Haven't seen any of this yet, but sounds like Treme, which I watched a season plus of and eventually wandered away from. Hard to get excited about.

circa1916, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

middle-class feminist studies girl drops out of college to dabble in sex-work activism also happens to have impeccable cutting edge taste in up-and-coming punk bands and happens to be a dead ringer for Joan Jett, I mean come on that is some v idealized hindsight-is-20/20 screenwriter nonsense

maybe if she was modeled on Andrea Dworkin I would buy it

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

it was clear from the Wire that Simon (and I suppose Pellecanos?) like to show the moral grey areas that most real people live in and that that militates against having outsized evil villains, but I feel like the genuine uber-ugly levels of brutality that are deeply ingrained in being a pimp (or a mobster, or a corrupt cop) are overly obscured in this show - at least one of these types could be credibly expected to be a real monster, but that's not really how Rudy or CC or any of these types are written. This one wants to be an actor! This one's kinda nice sometimes! Rudy looks out for his guys! Stories without villains or at least some sense of struggle, of opposing forces, just tend to be less engaging, and this show is no exception.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm watching it too, and haven't seen this week either, but like most I'm sticking with it because it's well made and the actors are good rather than the plot which is all over the place and, as others have said, far too broad.

Larry is the standout character this season I think.

So many penises, it feels like.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Larry's on-set dick reveal + smile was by far the funniest moment of the season

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:18 (one week ago) Permalink

The real villain of Simon's shows is the SYSTEM, man.

DJI, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:19 (one week ago) Permalink

"dead ringer for Joan Jett"

is her hair black in season 2? I don't see the resemblance myself

akm, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:21 (one week ago) Permalink

how about Suzi Quatro

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I'd say CC is unambiguously a bad guy

Number None, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

(i'm watching too, but don't have an awful lot to say about S2 so far. Just seems to be ticking along)

Number None, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah her hair's black now she's booking punk and new wave bands for the bar.

I don't care at all about the other nightclub.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Other xpost Nah, CC is going to turn into Iceberg Slim and be the hero of season 3.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I'd say CC is unambiguously a bad guy

I do think the bringing in CC's former bottom whore as Abby's activist partner has brought his shittiness into sharper focus

(lol @ Iceberg Slim, well-known good guy pimp! I guess he did ultimately renounce his wayward ways)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Good points, Shakey. I guess I'm just enjoying the ride but definitely there's a bunch of unrealistic crap worthy of whatever that awful Scorsese NYC A&R guy series was whose name I forgot. Though this is a much better sho, imho.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

*show

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Definitely more Suzi than Joan

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:54 (one week ago) Permalink

that awful Scorsese NYC A&R guy series was whose name I forgot

VINYL! gawd that was so bad. also ref'd upthread lol

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 21:06 (one week ago) Permalink


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