THE DEUCE with David Simon, George Pelecanos, James Franco AND James Franco

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Guess we might as well have a thread for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2pXEzIQnUs

bet HBO are really regretting their investment after the Vinyl debacle

Number None, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 21:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

HBO Drops Another Deuce

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 21:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Long preview article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/arts/television/the-deuce-hbo-david-simon.html

Eazy, Thursday, 24 August 2017 21:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

James Franco, who directed two of the first season’s episodes, assumes double acting duty as well. He plays Vincent Martino, an ambitious bartender based on the man who had spun enticing tales of the Deuce, and his twin, Frankie, who shares none of his brother’s reservations about working in the sex trade for the mob.

Eazy, Thursday, 24 August 2017 21:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?
Just get another actor!

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

And Franco is so annoyingly smug all the time. Ugh, not sure about this

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

In the future, TV and movie viewers will be able to swap out actors at will for anyone in the canon.

calstars, Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?

Jeffrey Jambor in Arrested Development & Nicholas Cage in Adaptation

but yes, it's almost always a bad idea

Number None, Friday, 25 August 2017 06:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

Twin peaks is doing well atm

streeps of range (wins), Friday, 25 August 2017 06:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh yeah lol

Number None, Friday, 25 August 2017 07:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

I am cautiously optimistic about this tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 25 August 2017 08:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

but I also loved most of Treme so

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 25 August 2017 08:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

Otm

Spottie, Friday, 25 August 2017 15:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

first episode is streaming now fyi

sktsh, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

*on hbo go that is

sktsh, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

they point out that the franco thing is a "based on a real life" thing but man i don't wanna see franco doing the patti duke

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

The patti what

Οὖτις, Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

it's a reference to patty duke's most famous role

In 2015, Duke made her final TV appearance, guest-starring as Grandma Janice and Great-aunt Hilary, a pair of identical twins, on "Liv and Maddie."

nomar, Sunday, 27 August 2017 17:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

and Οὖτις's post was a reference to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgdisnVQf6A

Number None, Sunday, 27 August 2017 17:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

renewed for a second season

if i ever watch it wd be for Maggie Gyllenhaal

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 01:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

Does the "actor playing two roles" thing *ever* work out to be better than more than tolerable?

uhhh, Jeremy Irons for Cronenberg? and the Hammer dude in the Facebook movie, on a more mortal level.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 01:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

Fargo Season 3 has double the Ewan MacGregor, he's good as them.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 02:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

Morbius OTM was waiting for Dead Ringers...

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 22 September 2017 02:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

Keaton in Multiplicity is p funny

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 02:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

This is really good so far. Feels nice and authentic without the "people playing '70s dressup" vibe of most recent films and tv things set in that decade ( yeah, "Vinyl", I'm looking at you). Cast is excellent.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

didn't hate ep one but also not watching anymore of this

johnny crunch, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

a recommended old VV story on that milieu, "Deep Peep"

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=KEtq3P1Vf8oC&dat=19780501&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

I just learned that Margareta Levieva, who plays Abby the NYU dropout on this show, is 37 years old. Her character is supposed to be what, 19? I never would have guessed.

JRN, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:57 (six months ago) Permalink

woah

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:58 (six months ago) Permalink

*Margarita

JRN, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:58 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i think the latest episode was the first really good one. all of the separate pieces that have been slowly developing - the cops, the mafia, prostitutes and pimps, porno, the francos - are starting to intertwine and it's really satisfying. not unlike, for obvious reasons, the wire.

anyone else watching this? i am trying to break myself out of the habit of calling it "the douche, starring james franco AND james franco as the douche"

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:37 (six months ago) Permalink

didn't hate ep one but also not watching anymore of this

i felt the same way, btw, after watching the first couple. there was almost something exhausting about gearing up for more "prestige television". i know that doesn't make any sense. i suppose i should hold off on expressing any more enthusiasm until there are at least a few really really good episodes in a row, but i'm much more optimistic about that happening than i was at the beginning. there's a lot going on, so now i can see why they took the time to build up the world.

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:45 (six months ago) Permalink

there was almost something exhausting about gearing up for more "prestige television". i know that doesn't make any sense.

literally could not make any more sense

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:47 (six months ago) Permalink

haha, well that's nice to hear. i mean, i hear things of that nature from my friends, too. but i'm not sure why i feel that way! "dang it, here's another really well produced serial tv/film, basically, which will bring my enjoyment for the next 2 to 6 years." maybe it's just the exhaustion of knowing that i might be expected to know what's going on with this show, in certain circles, and that if i don't know, i will feel left out?

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 14:56 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm watching it, it's solid in that particularly un-showy David Simon way where things happen and then some more things happen. Amazingly I don't think very much about James Franco being James Franco, which means this is probably his best role(s)?

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:39 (six months ago) Permalink

And it is driving me insane that for some reason Black Thought is credited as "Tarik Trotter" when everything else he's done has been "Tariq Trotter". Why???

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:40 (six months ago) Permalink

Amazingly I don't think very much about James Franco being James Franco

yeah, i actually don't mind franco but for some reason i really enjoy making fun of james franco, so i'm probably going to keep doing it. speaking of, check out this cool screen capture from imdb's website this morning:

https://i.imgur.com/9ZfjOnf.png

Currently (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:46 (six months ago) Permalink

I like this but it's so slow. Feel like Maggie G had been about to join films for 6 eps now.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Thursday, 19 October 2017 13:47 (six months ago) Permalink

HBO’s new ensemble drama “The Deuce” is, among other things, an unflinching show about the sex work industry in 1970s New York. But its most intimate exchange to date takes place in a moment of postcoital vulnerability between lovers. A bedside radio plays the Four Tops’ Motown hit “Baby I Need Your Loving” as Vincent Martino (James Franco), a thirtysomething bar proprietor, and his college-dropout bartender, Abby Parker (Margarita Levieva), lie in each other’s arms. “Do you like this music?” he asks, and her condescending laugh says it all. When he presses her about what she listens to, Abby turns the radio’s dial until she hears “Pale Blue Eyes” by the Velvet Underground. When she starts to tell a story about seeing the band at Max’s Kansas City, Vincent shushes her: “I’m listening.”

rmde

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 19:32 (six months ago) Permalink

That scene was not so good. It did make me wonder whether VU ever got any radio play, even locally in New York.

JRN, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:05 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah that particular kind of um fictional license really leaps out I mean wtf

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:07 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah that was my least favorite scene in the show so far. Very Treme-era Simon.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:07 (six months ago) Permalink

I saw five minutes of this show. Might have been the first episode, or the fifth, who knows. Seemed ... nothing special, but it did at least look right.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:08 (six months ago) Permalink

God I’m sorry they played a band inaccurately on the radio how did you not shut off the show then and there.

rb (soda), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:13 (six months ago) Permalink

I never even turned it on, problem solved

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:17 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm agnostic on The Wire but this is decent. Paradoxically, its leisurely pace makes me think there needs to be more of it to be effective.

ryan, Friday, 20 October 2017 20:20 (six months ago) Permalink

started watching the first ep and am reserving judgment til I'm through w it but my first thought was what's up with all the blaxploitation tropes and zero mafia guys.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:53 (six months ago) Permalink

also lol @ Method Man in a wig

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:53 (six months ago) Permalink

the mafia guys are present

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:54 (six months ago) Permalink

I liked the pilot of this but have yet to watch more. tbh I really liked Treme, esp the 2nd and 3rd seasons

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 18:55 (six months ago) Permalink

I really think it's the former!

xp

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I've not seen beyond ep 1 of this, but am shocked that there is any ambiguity at all in a David Simon series.

calzino, Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:41 (five months ago) Permalink

that's just silly

Number None, Thursday, 26 October 2017 21:37 (five months ago) Permalink

If I couldn't finish Treme or Show Me A Hero, would I get much out of this?

Potato Wave (Leee), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:12 (five months ago) Permalink

I think it's much more engaging and more Wire-like than Treme (which I only stuck with out of familiarity with the subject matter). Didn't see SMAH.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:17 (five months ago) Permalink

SMAH did nothing for me tbh

Simon H., Friday, 27 October 2017 17:24 (five months ago) Permalink

so, this is actually really good

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 15:49 (five months ago) Permalink

I esp appreciate that for a show about fucking/prostitution/pornography, the nudity and sex is never titillating. Everything is grimy and kinda gross, occasionally scary.

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 15:51 (five months ago) Permalink

mostly enjoying the cast, Franco is serviceable (getting serious Matt Dillon vibes from Bad Franco), Gyllenhaal is great, the guy who runs the porn store is *perfect*, Jackie Aprile redux is good.

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:37 (five months ago) Permalink

and I haven't gotten to the terrible-sounding scene referenced upthread yet, but in general I am really enjoying how music is used in this - I am blanking on the film term for when all the music heard is what characters are listening to, but I dig that a lot. Cutting between two scenes where two different sets of characters are listening to the same thing on the radio, but not in an obtrusive or showy way. Or Franco laughing at himself dancing to "Mr. Big Stuff" on the jukebox. This show is a slow burn, and grim and committed to the visual and unrelenting ugliness of the area, but I am into it so far.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:19 (five months ago) Permalink

diagetic

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:30 (five months ago) Permalink

ah! yes ty

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:32 (five months ago) Permalink

this is my new favorite show

(Starcade is my new old favorite show)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:26 (five months ago) Permalink

The "Pale Blue Eyes" on the radio scene turned out to be an oddly a rare misstep. the cast in this is so good, and Franco delivers the lolz at least once an episode, like when the guy is sketching out the porno-booths and Rudy the Gangster takes one look and says "oh yeah, I get it" and then Franco adds "so they can jerk off!" classic. Method Man also surprisingly good, his extended dialogue trying to pickup Gyllenhaal on the street was so good.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:29 (five months ago) Permalink

Franco-as-Vinnie reminds me of Daniel Desario at times (his character on Freaks and Geeks eighteen years ago, for any of you lucky enough to have your first viewing of that wonderful show still in your future).

JRN, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Wait, sorry, I meant Franco as Frankie, the irresponsible one.

JRN, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:24 (five months ago) Permalink

speaking of Freaks and Geeks alum I was just marveling at Neil's older brother's transformation into porno-director-schlub, he is so good in this

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:30 (five months ago) Permalink

he looks like he's had a rough 18 years lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Krumholtz is an undervalued (or poorly served) actor

he is great in this, yeah

Number None, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:34 (five months ago) Permalink

Christ u r right, he's been in a lot of crap

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 November 2017 03:28 (five months ago) Permalink

really thought this was great

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:13 (five months ago) Permalink

man even the season finale was comparatively low-key. I'm starting to realize which plotlines I find engaging (Candy's, primarily, and the gangster racket) and the ones I don't care about at all (the pimps). Franco's storylines aren't all that engaging but he is v fun to watch so he makes up for it. The cop/journalist story is okay but it seems kind of obvious where it's going.

I definitely do not ever need to see another season-ending montage of all the characters set to an iconic piece of music, that shit is so lazy at this point.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:29 (five months ago) Permalink

old man yelling at the clouds: wtf is curtis cranked so fucking LOUD in the theme song? it's like 3x the volume of the rest of the show! i'm already watching it, so i don't know understand why it's trying to grab my attention so hard

Karl Malone, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:38 (five months ago) Permalink

haha yeah I noticed that too. Great song and all but...

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:38 (five months ago) Permalink

the pimp storylines are so weird in tone - like, am I really supposed to care about the existential struggles of some of the worst people alive? like, oh no suddenly they feel unnecessary, what are they going to do?! and, why, this other pimp, he has *feelings*! How ever will they grow and evolve? Method Man at least knows to keep it alternately funny or scary... but idgaf about any of them, they could all be murdered like Reggie Love and my reaction would be "huh, well that was well-deserved".

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:41 (five months ago) Permalink

fwiw the second season is meant to be set five years later

so we might not see any direct resolution to a lot of the stories set up this season

Number None, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:43 (five months ago) Permalink

whoah waht?!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:46 (five months ago) Permalink

I liked that this season all basically led up to the release of Deep Throat, skipping ahead to '76 is an interesting decision

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:46 (five months ago) Permalink

David Simon has a three-season plan for this series. Is that something you’re game for?

FRANCO: Of course! I had to be, signing on. One of the interesting things about this show is that it’s a hybrid between a limited series and a regular series. There are only eight episodes a season, and if we go, which it looks like we will, there will only be three seasons. It gives it this perfectly encapsulated, very concise, economical power punch feeling to it. From the beginning, the plan was to cover 14 years. The first season is ‘71-‘72, and the dawn of pornography. The second season is ‘77, ‘78 and ‘79, or somewhere in there. And then, the third season will be ‘84-‘85 when everything imploded and the old 42nd Street was shut down by Mayor Koch. I think if we pull it off, it will be a really nice encapsulation of a time and a place.

Number None, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:51 (five months ago) Permalink

late 70s is kind of the "golden era" of pretentious feature-length porn films. (No idea what that means in terms of 42nd St in particular)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:54 (five months ago) Permalink

Wow, I had no idea about the three season plan! Fantastic. I love this idea.

Karl Malone, Friday, 17 November 2017 00:09 (five months ago) Permalink

This was great! I'm wondering if Simon needs a good collaborator to make a good (mini-)series (Ed Burns, Richard Wright).

I had a omg moment when I saw that B'Elanna Torres directed an episode!

Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 19 November 2017 00:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Also, if the brothers weren't identical, Ziggy would've been perfect to play Frankie.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 19 November 2017 06:31 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh my gosh you're right, I knew he reminded me of someone

paolo, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Just binged the whole thing this weekend

So much better than I expected. Loved the way the women all feel like real characters, the way the hookers interacted with each other etc was a huge selling point for me, and Maggie G killed it, so great.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Ruby tho ;_;
I screamed when that john pushed her out the window.

Pelecanos said in the behind the scenes clip that Ruby was based on a real woman & she died exactly the same way.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:15 (four months ago) Permalink

I think the show did a good job of showing how much of their job is survival, how tough those girls have to be to live that life. Also the desperate shitty nature of pimps. etc.

And I loved that final reverse tracking shot of the Parlor hallway, shiny wallpaper & all but the noises are the same, it’s still basically another Lionel Hotel for the girls. Just another hallway.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:19 (four months ago) Permalink

also (sorry for multiposting)

totally did not clock Ralph Macchio at first l, had to look him up to work out who he played after i saw his name in the credits

i want a whole season just of Maggie’s character directing porn

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah that was def the most interesting plotline/characters imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 05:44 (four months ago) Permalink

She just lit up the screen in every scene. Damn. I have always liked her but this felt like a new level

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:46 (four months ago) Permalink

Some of the conversational riffing and background that's put into verbal exposition doesn't quite land. I was kind of left wondering, is anyone who's working on writing/production end of things actually gay?

It's a much more enjoyable show than I was expecting, especially the decision to make most of the season a slow burn.

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:57 (four months ago) Permalink

Maggie G is a treat in this, for sure, and seeing her on the list of producers seems significant

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

i'm really excited to see where this goes next season, when the narrative leaps forward a few years. they did a good job developing the minor characters. guys like franco's brother in law, bobby, who ends the first season making a ton of money managing the sex parlor in cahoots with the mafia (and bizarro franco) - when the series resumes, will he be a full-time mafia guy, bossing around regular bartender franco? or will his life just be completely shattered already?

Karl Malone, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:07 (four months ago) Permalink

there are gay and trans writers on staff apparently

Number None, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:08 (four months ago) Permalink

Feel like the death of Ruby was a case of the show pulling its punches, it would have been bleaker if it had been Ashley (a more tragic character than Ruby) who was killed. During the previous episode I was convinced CC was going to catch up with her and prevent her from getting on that bus to freedom.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 27 November 2017 17:17 (four months ago) Permalink

xp ok then!

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:20 (four months ago) Permalink

Loved the bit where Vincent asked the junior mafia guy, "I'm not a made man am I?"

Hava Nagilum (Leee), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:48 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Watched the first episode tonight--good start. Franco quite restrained. Lisa P!

clemenza, Monday, 12 March 2018 02:11 (one month ago) Permalink

hah, I only made that connection after the fact

mh, Monday, 12 March 2018 03:22 (one month ago) Permalink

This was better than I thought it'd be--very low-key, good performances all around, lots of room for a second season. My two favourite characters are Harvey Wasserman, the Ron Jeremy-like director ("Get in there, my son"), and Rudy the Mob Guy. I wonder if Maggie Gyllenhaal partly modeled the Candy half of her performance on Nancy Allen in Blow Out. I expected Franco to be in full-blown Scorsese overdrive the whole way, but he's very restrained, even as Frankie. Ruby's death was a sad ending. The music's kind of buried in the background, but I liked the Undisputed Truth and (surprise) the Guess Who.

clemenza, Monday, 19 March 2018 03:01 (one month ago) Permalink


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