Explosion at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester May 2017 (Also London Bridge/Borough Market attack)

perhaps she means MI5

but seriously, it's sickening and she shouldn't be allowed to raise any of these points in public without being shouted down and torn apart

absolutely, the bbc have been disgraceful today, again.

I can't get past it being 8 minutes from first phone call to all of the perpetrators shot, it seems bizarrely swift.

Does it? For central London at a time when there's less traffic?

It's the efficiency of the public sector!

This comment above is so OTM:

--- It's the bloody public sector who responded to the emergency, in their ambulances and police cars!

Had my first real scare last night: friend's bf said he was in Vauxhall when she texted him about the initial news of attacks, then was incommunicado for ages as we frantically reloaded news sites to figure out what was going on there. Thankfully he was just hanging with friends and not paying attention to his mobile.

Had a friend from Porto over as well, went to see Moodyman. East London nightlife going on as usual, really strange feeling of wondering how many ppl didn't know what happened.

Guardian live updates of Theresa May's speech I think paraphrased her as saying islamic extremists needed to be convinced "western values are better", good to see reading the transcript that it wasn't quite that deranged (speech still horrible obv).

The police are never talked of as being apart of the public sector - I assume because right wingers approve of them. And prison officers. And the armed forces.

Guardian live updates of Theresa May's speech I think paraphrased her as saying islamic extremists needed to be convinced "western values are better", good to see reading the transcript that it wasn't quite that deranged (speech still horrible obv).

She kind of did say that.

She made a clear distinction between Islamic extremism and Islam as a whole, and suggested "British values" (I know, lol) are compatible with the latter. So standard tory as opposed to full-on Trump as the paraphrase read to me.

can someone pls point out to theresa may that she's a public sector worker too

If this insipid troll stays on as PM for five years then it will be confirmed: the postwar boomers are the worst generation of English-speaking white people that ever existed.

Including the ones that owned and traded slaves? Really?

Ok fine nevermind. Progress!

Take it as a misspoken reference to public sphere tbph

Yeah, I assumed that she'd said the wrong word.

Regardless, it wasn't very dignified, was it?

The, er, mother and father of Freudian slips then.

Hmm but then she also says 'society'

The, er, mother and father of Freudian slips then.

Hard to top IDS from the other day - "what we're trying to get away with in our manifesto..."

LOOOL saw that!

In other news, C4 News just interviewed Ginger Steve, a spacey homeless guy who used to hang out with the couriers at the pub under Ed's flat, and he is apparently due praise for tending to a wounded young woman hit by the van at London Bridge last night. Good on you, Steve.

it seems easy to build a picture of how may thinks about things, in a way i wasn't with say, cameron or whatever. i think because she represents a certain type of civil servant i've dealt with almost exactly - the fear of the internet and transparency, the desire for small, private, opaque government, and the contempt for the public, the idea that government is something that should go on far away from them. it's quite reprehensible.

Good post

i prob mentioned before but when trump got elected an edict came down from on high that anyone in the civil service, literally anyone, should not criticise donald trump on social media, to avoid "besmirching the office of the us president" - people prob would have been annoyed except that it was so ludicrous.

Theresa got the memo though.

LOOOL saw that!

In other news, C4 News just interviewed Ginger Steve, a spacey homeless guy who used to hang out with the couriers at the pub under Ed's flat, and he is apparently due praise for tending to a wounded young woman hit by the van at London Bridge last night. Good on you, Steve.

I have been to this pub!!!!

Yes! Along with most of ILX Britisher old school (and a few lucky Americans). It's called The Clerk and Well now and the couriers have mostly gone (along with the table football, snooker and the occasional glimpse of Boris Johnson on both).

This made me cry

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NDJlPG_M600

I don't even know who Ariana is but what a class act.

Our family vacation has turned out to be educational for my kids in ways I didn't anticipate. We were in Manchester for the one-week memorial for the attack, we went down and saw the square full of balloons and flowers. We're in London this week, so when they woke up this morning I had to tell them what happened overnight. They were dismayed and sad, but not scared. I think terrorism to them is just one of those things that happens, like earthquakes and floods.

Solely judging on some youtube clips of One Love Manchester: What a woman. What a huge, loving heart.

I'm impressed. She didn't have to do anything, and if she did, there were a dozen right things she could have done. That she did this one, and also did it right, warms the heart.

I confess that a fat tear rolled down my cheek during Over the Rainbow.

Yeah, Ari was fantastic. Also really touching to see Miley helping her through it all like a big sister

One of the London Bridge terror attackers was carrying an ID card issued in Ireland when he was shot dead, security sources in the Republic have confirmed.

The Prime Minister has called for barriers to be installed between the pavement and the road on all bridges as a basic safety measure.

Oh wait no she's not done that she's called for a magical regulated Internet to totally prevent maniacs from learning how to drive and stab.

Asim Oddin, 39, who lived near the suspect in Barking said: “He used to park outside the flats which isn’t allowed and blocked everybody. We had an altercation when I told him not to park here. He said “not to follow the system” he was quite rude.”

wake up, sheeple.

an inconsiderate road-user and and murderer? not having that, sorry

we need to crack down on parking offences.

one of the bombers allegedly had an irish id, the irish papers are saying.

There's a suggestion he was a Moroccan living in Dublin - as recently as last year.

Ireland seems to have a relatively large Moroccan community iirc, though that might just be anecdotal.

i have a friend whose family GP when young was harold shipman: asked how she remembers him she doesn't have much more than "he was rude and dismissive of my concerns, me, an impossibly sulky teen with acne" -- but it's not as if she was in the position to say "i remember corpses stacked three deep in the waiting room, i warned everyone but they ignored me"

so this guy's "he was an arsehole and everyone hated him" is almost bound to end up being about small neighbourly infractions -- if he knew worse (and didn't warn the authorities long ago) he obviously puts himself in a terrible position

I don't even know who Ariana is but what a class act.

― Whooremeister (jed_), Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Safe to say, this clears her for the donut incident.

Asim Oddin, 39, who lived near the suspect in Barking said: “He used to park outside the flats which isn’t allowed and blocked everybody. We had an altercation when I told him not to park here. He said “not to follow the system” he was quite rude.”

If true, speaks volumes

Scotland Yard has named two of the attackers as Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane, who are both from Barking in east London.

Khuram Butt, one of the London attackers, appeared in the Channel 4 documentary the Jihadis Next Door last year.

Fuck me, talk about hiding in plain sight

Some serious repercussions to come out of that surely?

Whoever was Home Secretary at the time might have serious questions to answer... oh, hold on.

calls for police to get special permission to monitor broadcast communications