Justice League (DC 2017 film)

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Starting a new thread for this due to the truly shock news that's now public:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/zack-snyder-leaves-justice-league-after-family-tragedy-1795446522

In one of the most heart-wrenching stories you’re likely to ever hear, director Zack Snyder has decided to step back from directing Justice League to be with his family after the tragic suicide of his 20-year-old daughter, Autumn. Joss Whedon will finish the film.

Autumn Snyder took her life in March but the family decided to keep the news private. However, with reshoots about to get started ahead of the film’s November release, the director felt it was time to make the news public instead of delaying the film.

“I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me,” Snyder told The Hollywood Reporter.

Snyder’s wife Deborah, who is a producer on the film, is similarly stepping back from her duties. The Snyders had recently screened a rough cut of the film and brought on Whedon to write some new scenes. But when they realized they couldn’t bring themselves to leave their family for London again, Whedon was asked to direct too.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 May 2017 22:52 (three years ago) link

I wish nothing but the best for Zack Snyder, his family, and all those suffering from the repercussions of serious mental illness.

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:04 (three years ago) link

I wish him all the best as long as that doesn't involve him making any more movies

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

ehhh. in the big picture i guess it doesn't matter too much if people snark on his movies after learning his daughter committed suicide- i mean, i know his movies, i don't know him or anybody in his family- but why the hell would i want to be the person who does that?

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:12 (three years ago) link

because this is a thread about a comic book superhero film, a blight on our culture which must be destroyed.

the grieving for celebrities thread is some other thread

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 23:14 (three years ago) link

she wasn't a celebrity

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:20 (three years ago) link

because this is a thread about a comic book superhero film, a blight on our culture which must be destroyed.

― Οὖτις

well as long as you have your priorities straight

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:21 (three years ago) link

All of my perpetual Snyder ribbing aside, that's completely awful news.

I guess this might finally explain Whedon's move to DC, though. Being a hired hand might be seemingly thankless compared to staying with Marvel, but if he's replacing Snyder as their Kevin Feige, I can see the appeal (to him and to those of us who had no previous interest in their movies).

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:10 (three years ago) link

I think this film and the godawful tragedy that befell its former director's family don't really deserve to be in a thread together. Whatever the Justice League movie becomes, it's inevitable that we're going to want to talk at least a certain amount of vulgar shit about it, and Zack Snyder and his kids aren't exactly the Trumps, or the Cheneys.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:18 (three years ago) link

Can we have a thread re-naming and start a separate one for the movie that doesn't have this awful news as a first post? Ned? Or general consensus?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:19 (three years ago) link

I concur

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:28 (three years ago) link

Whatever works. (I was mildly surprised there was no thread already, but I suppose the BvS one was working as a standin.)

It IS going to be an unusual hybrid of a film, I guess.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 03:51 (three years ago) link

I say keep the thread.

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 18:55 (three years ago) link

this movie is probably going to be horrible. better to have the freedom to express that without tying it to this horrible thing

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:07 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

ffs

Warner Bros and DC are in the early stages of another Batman Universe spinoff movie, this one telling the origin story of the signature villain The Joker. The studio has set The Hangover's Todd Phillips to co-write a script with 8 Mile scribe Scott Silver. Phillips will direct the movie, and Martin Scorsese will produce it with Phillips. This will be the first film under a new banner that has yet to be named in which WB can expand the canon of DC properties and create unique storylines with different actors playing the iconic characters.

I’m told that the intention is to make an origin story that isn’t part of any other iteration. The Joker has memorably been part of two Batman movies in the form of Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, and was most recently played by Jared Leto in the first Suicide Squad film. He will reprise in the Suicide Squad sequel and the Harley Quinn spinoff, but this new film will launch the character with a different actor, possibly younger.

An intriguing part is the setting. The intention is to make a gritty and grounded hard-boiled crime film set in early-’80s Gotham City that isn’t meant to feel like a DC movie as much as one of Scorsese’s films from that era, like Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or The King Of Comedy. I’m told that Phillips and Silver are writing already, but there is nothing firm on where this will fit into the DC schedule.

Number None, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 06:43 (two years ago) link

fucking hell, are warners using mad libs to assemble their pitches? joker + scorsese + phillips + silver is not an intuitive assemblage of property and talent

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:02 (two years ago) link

also, if this is set in the early 80s, presumably with the proto-joker as a young adult, that mean the joker in suicide squad is supposed to be in his mid-50s, right? hmmm

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:04 (two years ago) link

I feel like WB execs looked enviously at the success of the MCU and their takeaway was nothing more complex than 'making a bunch of movies featuring characters you own = $$$!'.

I just learned that WB is also planning a Hanna Barbera cinematic universe. Sigh.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:00 (two years ago) link

there's already been a crossover between dc comics and hanna-barbera comics, right?

god i'd pay so much money to watch batfleck star in an onscreen teamup with the funky phantom

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:18 (two years ago) link

yeah these things just make money, film any shit, just put in some Batman cameos and comic references, you got a cool billion. BvS and SS proved they can make money in their sleep.

on some level i almost suspect the constant shake-ups are to purposefully stir the pot. keep fans bitching about reshoots and studio meddling, that way you can sell them the movie twice when the directors cut comes out.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:12 (two years ago) link

'Something really really weird' has been SOP at DC/WB for nearly a decade now.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 15:45 (two years ago) link

Still. Making three films about the Joker at once, after the latest depiction was widely panned. That takes a pretty large amount of delusion. Or cocaine.

Frederik B, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:03 (two years ago) link

their takeaway was nothing more complex than 'making a bunch of movies featuring characters you own = $$$!'

why would their takeaway be anything else

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:06 (two years ago) link

I'll stick with the DC TV shows, which are the best superhero material going imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:07 (two years ago) link

and even those are not really that great - Supergirl being top of the pile and gets by largely on the charm of the lead actress and the ability of the writers to tread a lot of fine lines re: balance of "relevant" topics, ridiculous Silver Age shenanigans, action sequences, and soap opera romance plots.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:08 (two years ago) link

An attempt at state of play

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-current-state-of-dc-superhero-movies-1798376485

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:13 (two years ago) link

Come on, CW DC shows aren't the best superhero material out there. I watch them all but they're preeeeeetty trashy. Like, they're largely there for me and my gf to shout at (YES WE KNOW OLIVER, EVERYTHING EVER IS YOUR FAULT, WHY DON'T YOU QUIT SUPERHERO-ING FOR A WHOLE 24 HOURS AGAIN).

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:20 (two years ago) link

And as for this:

why would their takeaway be anything else

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:06 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Whether you enjoy or agree with the decision, the secret to the MCU's success is tying everything into one coherent whole (or at least paying lip service to the idea before the TV shows went their own way) AKA synergistic marketing.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:23 (two years ago) link

And making the movies actually good doesn't hurt (and yes, I know you disagree with that part).

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:24 (two years ago) link

is the MCU outperforming DCU stuff at the box office by that much? because all the studio cares about is the fact that they're still making money hand over fist. quality is totally irrelevant.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:25 (two years ago) link

also I haven't watched Green Arrow lol - just Supergirl and a bunch of Flash episodes (that League of Tomorrow or whatever it is looked p bad tho)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:26 (two years ago) link

They all feel very much like the same show to me. Arrow being the 'darkest' inasmuch as it's basically a Batman show in everything but name.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:36 (two years ago) link

is the MCU outperforming DCU stuff at the box office by that much?

Yes. Even allowing for the fact that there are 4 DC movies and a billion Marvel movies, if you cap it at the top four Marvel is winning handily:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=avengers.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=dc.htm

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:37 (two years ago) link

xpost But see, that's DC successfully taking a page from Marvel's book. If these shows were disconnected, I might only watch one or two of them, but going this route gets completist freaks like me on the hook.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:38 (two years ago) link

The only one I watch is Flash, and to the extent it ever crosses over with the other DC shows I can mentally fill in the blanks pretty easily without having to watch the others. This isn't exactly Proust.

When Flash is good, it's the best of those DC shows; when it's bad it's STOP SPINNING YOUR WHEELS AND GET ON WITH IT.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:40 (two years ago) link

DC's top movie would rank #5 if included in Marvel's list.

MCU is also stomping on the X-Men:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:40 (two years ago) link

Yeah, Marvel easily making a profit on something like Doctor Strange is what DC would die for. I don't quite know what the equivalent would be, perhaps a Shazam film. But so far DC has had to use their big guns, Superman, Batman, the Joker. When, of course, it's Wonder Woman who has been the big hit. It's hard to say what they should do at this point to turn it around, but planning four Joker-films at once (yes, four, according to gizmodo it's Scorceses Joker, Suicide Squad 2, Joker & Harley Quinn, Gotham City Sirens, all planning to use the joker)

Also, I haven't seen Doctor Strange, but it's supposedly not great, but not bad. That sweet spot is something DC can't seem to hit.

Frederik B, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:41 (two years ago) link

The Marvel movies have an edge over the DC movies in that you see the heroes figuring out their powers/capabilities as the stories go along rather than coming straight out of the gate as masters of flight/combat/tactics/what have you. For every character like Thor or Scarlet Witch, who appear on screen in full command of their powers and just straight up wrecking shit, you have offsetting characters like Ant Man and Spider Man, who are clearly new to the superhero game and make tactical mistakes or have to figure out a new use for their powers in the middle of a fight. It brings a level of relatability into these movies that DC's general god-mode doesn't have and probably factors into the charisma bump the Marvel movies get over the DC movies.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:55 (two years ago) link

^^ And when the DCU did try to do that with Man of Steel they absolutely FUBARed it.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:03 (two years ago) link

Doctor Strange was bad fyi

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:36 (two years ago) link

Like you think any of the films are good

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:36 (two years ago) link

For the record, I would go to a dog for advice on putting together a complimentary color palette before I went to Shakey for opinions on the quality of MCU movies.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:37 (two years ago) link

http://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/640/ds-photo/getty/article/99/191/532221225_XS.jpg

"This is my latest phase."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:39 (two years ago) link

Looooool, DJP OTM.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

doctor strange was pretty bad tho

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 August 2017 03:02 (two years ago) link

and my MCU stan cred is impeccable

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 August 2017 03:03 (two years ago) link

tbf yeah p bad movie

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 August 2017 04:39 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-DM9uBtVI

why the 90s alt rock cover of "Heroes"? i would rather hear the Bowie original, this just reminds me of TV shows and commercials that go the low budget route and get some random band to cover a Beatles song. then again, didn't they just have another trailer for this with "Come Together"? Thor has the real Led Zeppelin, Guardians of the Galaxy has real 10cc. get your shit together DC. this is embarassing.

this goes for everything else about this trailer (bad cgi, lame mugging, where is this mars? Aquaman can fly now??? i guess there is water in the air...). feels cheap and expensive at the same time, like someone just shit out a bucket of money.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 8 October 2017 16:11 (two years ago) link

on the plus side we get to look forward to a team of heroes fighting yet another endless faceless army

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 8 October 2017 16:30 (two years ago) link

Better way to prepare to watch Joker is to watch the Budd Dwyer video

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:37 (seven months ago) link

I am not a prude when it comes to violence, but there were two scenes where it felt a little too 'real' for me.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:38 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Was curious about the recent #releasetheSnyderCut furor. Good Vulture summary to remind myself some folk like grim DC, and not everyone is tied to a Golden Age or Darwyn Cooke JL version.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:27 (six months ago) link

Some people like putting cigarettes out on their genitals, too. That doesn't mean DC should cater to that audience.

...OR DOES IT?!?

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:12 (six months ago) link

Honestly they should put something out there if only just to shut these people up.

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:22 (six months ago) link

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/05/arts/05NOVfilm-list1/05NOVfilm-list1-watch308.jpg

I love that not only does Batman create a bat outfit to put fear into the hearts of criminals, he also sculpts an angry facial expression onto his cowl as well https://t.co/DPQ2T6xx6x

— Mike Dawson 🕶 (@mike_daws) November 19, 2019

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:38 (six months ago) link

Trust me I have no desire in defending this movie or especially Snyder, but surely that's a set photo and not an actual snydercut still?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:44 (six months ago) link

I assume the costume is the same in the footage as in the set photos

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:48 (six months ago) link

Right.. but I didn't get the sense that the original tweet was talking about the costume itself, just the retweeter. But now I've thought more about this movie than I've ever wanted to, so just as happy to have misconstrued and be wrong.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:53 (six months ago) link

I found a postable version of the photo there bcz I don't know or care what the original tweet was talking about either, but I found his frowny-face mask hilarious too

(don't think I've seen any photos of the Snyder Batman before - I did see a billboard in 2017 but iirc it was cod-Alex Ross paintings)

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:25 (six months ago) link

How has someone as stupid as Snyder not yet got trapped in a bin and starved to death yet?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:39 (six months ago) link

there's lots to eat in there

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:40 (six months ago) link

#ReleaseTheRaccoonCut

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:53 (six months ago) link

Yeah the costumes have been pretty silly since they added the nipples to the Batsuit. I thought the original tweet was laughing at the absurdity of Bats and the other superheros huddled around a clipboard for a mid-mission briefing.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:25 (six months ago) link

No flowcharts no credibility

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:29 (six months ago) link

Batman needs a studded codpiece

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:14 (six months ago) link

If by 'studded codpiece' you mean 'floppy two-foot rubber phallus covered in rhinestones' then yes, of course he does.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:23 (six months ago) link

Michael Bay Gives Fans Sneak Peek At Ninja Turtles’ Hyper-Realistic CGI Genitals http://t.co/UpFLHGK1Mm pic.twitter.com/YFHwQmBWGO

— The Onion (@TheOnion) July 25, 2014

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:46 (six months ago) link

I wouldn't have know there was anything wrong with that bat costume until someone said I was supposed to realize it was obviously terrible to the point I should be crying laughing. Either I have terrible taste or I'm extremely out of the loop? Is a scowling cowl (s-cowl) for batman wrong? Tell me how to feel.

Evan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:50 (six months ago) link

If this on-set photograph is your first encounter with the character known as Batman, I can see where you might howl with laughter until your bladder emptied itself in great spasmic arcs. Otherwise the costume is a little silly-looking but nothing particularly OTT.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

OK thanks... yeah the s-cowl did not seem particularly new or odd on batman at all.

Evan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:58 (six months ago) link

After Bat-Nipples and Bale's totes hilar SCAWY BAT-GWOWL, I don't know what absurd heights a cinematic Bat-depiction would have to reach to catch me off guard.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:10 (six months ago) link

BRING BACK THE BATUSI

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:23 (six months ago) link

Call me when a Bat-movie has the bravery to feature a scene as Bat-shit as Adam West hanging from a chopper and spraying the great white munching his leg with shark repellant only to have that fucker EXPLODE when it hits the water.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:26 (six months ago) link

OK thanks... yeah the s-cowl did not seem particularly new or odd on batman at all.

imagining him running back to the car to change his entire costume into one where he has painstakingly moulded a kind and caring face, in between crushing the spine of a baddie and comforting the little orphan girl that the baddie was menacing

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:03 (six months ago) link

hey batman who stole yr neck

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:08 (six months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/oQciHRD.jpg

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:36 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

so people are screaming with excitement about the Zak Snyder cut of this and I just wanna hurl

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:37 (one week ago) link

Didn't see the original but BvS was demented enough for me to check this out

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:40 (one week ago) link

this is much more pedestrian than the gonzo BvS. it was also a better movie. but a forgettable one.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:42 (one week ago) link

i still don't understand who are these people that are diehard Synder supporters. who?? even his clearer successes are mixed at best.

Nhex, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:50 (six days ago) link

someone I know and respect said he "cried" today at the news

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:00 (six days ago) link

tbf I guess that could go either way

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:00 (six days ago) link

Someone you know and used to respect, presumably.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:01 (six days ago) link

he's a good dude, just has weird taste in movies.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:01 (six days ago) link

You will believe that a turd can be polished!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:30 (six days ago) link

in Snyder's version, Superman is a stroke victim who recovers through the power of Lex Luthor's pee

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:34 (six days ago) link

Wait, who stroked him

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:36 (six days ago) link

this movie fucking sucks idk why people think there's a way in which it doesn't. mother boxes? really?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:11 (five days ago) link

one major step up is that Lex Luthor's pee didn't appear at all, I mean they clearly read the room and the room said "no pee from Lex Luthor"

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:12 (five days ago) link

does the Snyder version use mother boxes and the Whedon one didn't?

(I saw some webicles thrilling themselves that Darkseid is in the Snyder version but wasn't in Whedon, and it's hard to imagine a temperament less suited to cast Darkseid as a villain than that of a Randian)

Bleeqwot (sic), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:25 (five days ago) link

Frankly it did seem kind of dumb to use Steppenwolf instead of Darkseid; or wishful thinking that they'd eventually get to a sequel to use him

Nhex, Friday, 22 May 2020 02:53 (five days ago) link

we’re all going to feel very silly when this turns out to be a masterpiece

I'm curious about how big disasters get made and I will watch this to see one step in the process. But Justice League was far less memorable than BVS or Suicide Squad -- I remember Cavill's cg face, Aquaman sitting on the lasso of truth, and not much else.

wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:26 (four days ago) link

I spent more years than were sensible reading DC superhero comics and I have never even heard of Steppenwolf as a character. I tried watching this piece of shit film once and didn't make it 15 minutes in. Colossally stupid and boring and idiotically staged.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:00 (four days ago) link

like a true nature's child

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:01 (four days ago) link

Steppenwolf is an incredibly minor Fourth World character, with only maybe like two or three appearances throughout Kirby's tenure.

The Fourth World in general is something I just don't want to see adapted by anyone, let alone this particular nozzle. They did it relative justice in the DCAU but that was enough.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:53 (four days ago) link

idk how y'all didn't see this as a overwhelmingly marked improvement from BvS.

I submit:

-No Luthor pee jar
-No Superman fucking Lois in the bathtub
-No "Martha"-gate

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:47 (four days ago) link

hmm I see to have instead made the argument that this is why this movie is so forgettable instead.

nevermind, nothing to see here.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:47 (four days ago) link


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