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Starting a new thread for this due to the truly shock news that's now public:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/zack-snyder-leaves-justice-league-after-family-tragedy-1795446522

In one of the most heart-wrenching stories you’re likely to ever hear, director Zack Snyder has decided to step back from directing Justice League to be with his family after the tragic suicide of his 20-year-old daughter, Autumn. Joss Whedon will finish the film.

Autumn Snyder took her life in March but the family decided to keep the news private. However, with reshoots about to get started ahead of the film’s November release, the director felt it was time to make the news public instead of delaying the film.

“I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me,” Snyder told The Hollywood Reporter.

Snyder’s wife Deborah, who is a producer on the film, is similarly stepping back from her duties. The Snyders had recently screened a rough cut of the film and brought on Whedon to write some new scenes. But when they realized they couldn’t bring themselves to leave their family for London again, Whedon was asked to direct too.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 May 2017 22:52 (three years ago) link

I wish nothing but the best for Zack Snyder, his family, and all those suffering from the repercussions of serious mental illness.

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:04 (three years ago) link

I wish him all the best as long as that doesn't involve him making any more movies

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

ehhh. in the big picture i guess it doesn't matter too much if people snark on his movies after learning his daughter committed suicide- i mean, i know his movies, i don't know him or anybody in his family- but why the hell would i want to be the person who does that?

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:12 (three years ago) link

because this is a thread about a comic book superhero film, a blight on our culture which must be destroyed.

the grieving for celebrities thread is some other thread

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 23:14 (three years ago) link

she wasn't a celebrity

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:20 (three years ago) link

because this is a thread about a comic book superhero film, a blight on our culture which must be destroyed.

― Οὖτις

well as long as you have your priorities straight

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Monday, 22 May 2017 23:21 (three years ago) link

All of my perpetual Snyder ribbing aside, that's completely awful news.

I guess this might finally explain Whedon's move to DC, though. Being a hired hand might be seemingly thankless compared to staying with Marvel, but if he's replacing Snyder as their Kevin Feige, I can see the appeal (to him and to those of us who had no previous interest in their movies).

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:10 (three years ago) link

I think this film and the godawful tragedy that befell its former director's family don't really deserve to be in a thread together. Whatever the Justice League movie becomes, it's inevitable that we're going to want to talk at least a certain amount of vulgar shit about it, and Zack Snyder and his kids aren't exactly the Trumps, or the Cheneys.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:18 (three years ago) link

Can we have a thread re-naming and start a separate one for the movie that doesn't have this awful news as a first post? Ned? Or general consensus?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:19 (three years ago) link

I concur

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 02:28 (three years ago) link

Whatever works. (I was mildly surprised there was no thread already, but I suppose the BvS one was working as a standin.)

It IS going to be an unusual hybrid of a film, I guess.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 03:51 (three years ago) link

I say keep the thread.

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 18:55 (three years ago) link

this movie is probably going to be horrible. better to have the freedom to express that without tying it to this horrible thing

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:07 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

ffs

Warner Bros and DC are in the early stages of another Batman Universe spinoff movie, this one telling the origin story of the signature villain The Joker. The studio has set The Hangover's Todd Phillips to co-write a script with 8 Mile scribe Scott Silver. Phillips will direct the movie, and Martin Scorsese will produce it with Phillips. This will be the first film under a new banner that has yet to be named in which WB can expand the canon of DC properties and create unique storylines with different actors playing the iconic characters.

I’m told that the intention is to make an origin story that isn’t part of any other iteration. The Joker has memorably been part of two Batman movies in the form of Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, and was most recently played by Jared Leto in the first Suicide Squad film. He will reprise in the Suicide Squad sequel and the Harley Quinn spinoff, but this new film will launch the character with a different actor, possibly younger.

An intriguing part is the setting. The intention is to make a gritty and grounded hard-boiled crime film set in early-’80s Gotham City that isn’t meant to feel like a DC movie as much as one of Scorsese’s films from that era, like Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or The King Of Comedy. I’m told that Phillips and Silver are writing already, but there is nothing firm on where this will fit into the DC schedule.

Number None, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 06:43 (three years ago) link

fucking hell, are warners using mad libs to assemble their pitches? joker + scorsese + phillips + silver is not an intuitive assemblage of property and talent

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:02 (three years ago) link

also, if this is set in the early 80s, presumably with the proto-joker as a young adult, that mean the joker in suicide squad is supposed to be in his mid-50s, right? hmmm

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:04 (three years ago) link

I feel like WB execs looked enviously at the success of the MCU and their takeaway was nothing more complex than 'making a bunch of movies featuring characters you own = $$$!'.

I just learned that WB is also planning a Hanna Barbera cinematic universe. Sigh.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:00 (three years ago) link

there's already been a crossover between dc comics and hanna-barbera comics, right?

god i'd pay so much money to watch batfleck star in an onscreen teamup with the funky phantom

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:18 (three years ago) link

yeah these things just make money, film any shit, just put in some Batman cameos and comic references, you got a cool billion. BvS and SS proved they can make money in their sleep.

on some level i almost suspect the constant shake-ups are to purposefully stir the pot. keep fans bitching about reshoots and studio meddling, that way you can sell them the movie twice when the directors cut comes out.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 13:12 (three years ago) link

'Something really really weird' has been SOP at DC/WB for nearly a decade now.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 15:45 (three years ago) link

Still. Making three films about the Joker at once, after the latest depiction was widely panned. That takes a pretty large amount of delusion. Or cocaine.

Frederik B, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:03 (three years ago) link

their takeaway was nothing more complex than 'making a bunch of movies featuring characters you own = $$$!'

why would their takeaway be anything else

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:06 (three years ago) link

I'll stick with the DC TV shows, which are the best superhero material going imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:07 (three years ago) link

and even those are not really that great - Supergirl being top of the pile and gets by largely on the charm of the lead actress and the ability of the writers to tread a lot of fine lines re: balance of "relevant" topics, ridiculous Silver Age shenanigans, action sequences, and soap opera romance plots.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

An attempt at state of play

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-current-state-of-dc-superhero-movies-1798376485

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:13 (three years ago) link

Come on, CW DC shows aren't the best superhero material out there. I watch them all but they're preeeeeetty trashy. Like, they're largely there for me and my gf to shout at (YES WE KNOW OLIVER, EVERYTHING EVER IS YOUR FAULT, WHY DON'T YOU QUIT SUPERHERO-ING FOR A WHOLE 24 HOURS AGAIN).

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:20 (three years ago) link

And as for this:

why would their takeaway be anything else

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:06 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Whether you enjoy or agree with the decision, the secret to the MCU's success is tying everything into one coherent whole (or at least paying lip service to the idea before the TV shows went their own way) AKA synergistic marketing.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:23 (three years ago) link

And making the movies actually good doesn't hurt (and yes, I know you disagree with that part).

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:24 (three years ago) link

is the MCU outperforming DCU stuff at the box office by that much? because all the studio cares about is the fact that they're still making money hand over fist. quality is totally irrelevant.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:25 (three years ago) link

also I haven't watched Green Arrow lol - just Supergirl and a bunch of Flash episodes (that League of Tomorrow or whatever it is looked p bad tho)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:26 (three years ago) link

They all feel very much like the same show to me. Arrow being the 'darkest' inasmuch as it's basically a Batman show in everything but name.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:36 (three years ago) link

is the MCU outperforming DCU stuff at the box office by that much?

Yes. Even allowing for the fact that there are 4 DC movies and a billion Marvel movies, if you cap it at the top four Marvel is winning handily:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=avengers.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=dc.htm

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:37 (three years ago) link

xpost But see, that's DC successfully taking a page from Marvel's book. If these shows were disconnected, I might only watch one or two of them, but going this route gets completist freaks like me on the hook.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:38 (three years ago) link

The only one I watch is Flash, and to the extent it ever crosses over with the other DC shows I can mentally fill in the blanks pretty easily without having to watch the others. This isn't exactly Proust.

When Flash is good, it's the best of those DC shows; when it's bad it's STOP SPINNING YOUR WHEELS AND GET ON WITH IT.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:40 (three years ago) link

DC's top movie would rank #5 if included in Marvel's list.

MCU is also stomping on the X-Men:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 16:40 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Marvel easily making a profit on something like Doctor Strange is what DC would die for. I don't quite know what the equivalent would be, perhaps a Shazam film. But so far DC has had to use their big guns, Superman, Batman, the Joker. When, of course, it's Wonder Woman who has been the big hit. It's hard to say what they should do at this point to turn it around, but planning four Joker-films at once (yes, four, according to gizmodo it's Scorceses Joker, Suicide Squad 2, Joker & Harley Quinn, Gotham City Sirens, all planning to use the joker)

Also, I haven't seen Doctor Strange, but it's supposedly not great, but not bad. That sweet spot is something DC can't seem to hit.

Frederik B, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:41 (three years ago) link

The Marvel movies have an edge over the DC movies in that you see the heroes figuring out their powers/capabilities as the stories go along rather than coming straight out of the gate as masters of flight/combat/tactics/what have you. For every character like Thor or Scarlet Witch, who appear on screen in full command of their powers and just straight up wrecking shit, you have offsetting characters like Ant Man and Spider Man, who are clearly new to the superhero game and make tactical mistakes or have to figure out a new use for their powers in the middle of a fight. It brings a level of relatability into these movies that DC's general god-mode doesn't have and probably factors into the charisma bump the Marvel movies get over the DC movies.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:55 (three years ago) link

^^ And when the DCU did try to do that with Man of Steel they absolutely FUBARed it.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:03 (three years ago) link

Doctor Strange was bad fyi

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:36 (three years ago) link

Like you think any of the films are good

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:36 (three years ago) link

For the record, I would go to a dog for advice on putting together a complimentary color palette before I went to Shakey for opinions on the quality of MCU movies.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:37 (three years ago) link

http://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/640/ds-photo/getty/article/99/191/532221225_XS.jpg

"This is my latest phase."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:39 (three years ago) link

Looooool, DJP OTM.

Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 August 2017 18:49 (three years ago) link

doctor strange was pretty bad tho

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 August 2017 03:02 (three years ago) link

and my MCU stan cred is impeccable

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 August 2017 03:03 (three years ago) link

tbf yeah p bad movie

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 August 2017 04:39 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-DM9uBtVI

why the 90s alt rock cover of "Heroes"? i would rather hear the Bowie original, this just reminds me of TV shows and commercials that go the low budget route and get some random band to cover a Beatles song. then again, didn't they just have another trailer for this with "Come Together"? Thor has the real Led Zeppelin, Guardians of the Galaxy has real 10cc. get your shit together DC. this is embarassing.

this goes for everything else about this trailer (bad cgi, lame mugging, where is this mars? Aquaman can fly now??? i guess there is water in the air...). feels cheap and expensive at the same time, like someone just shit out a bucket of money.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 8 October 2017 16:11 (three years ago) link

on the plus side we get to look forward to a team of heroes fighting yet another endless faceless army

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 8 October 2017 16:30 (three years ago) link

i like the grey sludge of bvs. movie looks like it's decaying from within

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:26 (one week ago) link

a nu-metal movie 15 years too late

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:32 (one week ago) link

as a fan of nu-metal horror you know what i'm talking about

though by and large nu-metal horror was pretty colorful. platinum dunes horror remakes of the late '00s are probably closer to bvs' color palette

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:33 (one week ago) link

this is an aside but was bride of chucky nu-metal horror

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

yes!!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:39 (one week ago) link

potentially the ur-text

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:39 (one week ago) link

Bride of Chucky was "A.D.I.D.A.S."

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 February 2021 18:11 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFibI_1ZPV4

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Saturday, 27 February 2021 19:15 (one week ago) link

OK, so I have a modest familiarity with the Marvel stuff, but only a passing familiarity with the DC stuff. That is, I've seen the first four or five Superman movies, both Wonder Woman movies, the Burton and Nolan Batmans. I've read the major Batman graphic novels, and while I've never otherwise read any DC comics outside of some hardcover book of first issues my dad had, I did watch the Justice League cartoon on occasion as a little kid, and I know who Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Flash are. I've not seen any of the Snyder films, nor have I wanted to, but I have followed this train wreck and in particular the Ray Fisher saga, and can I just confess: I have literally never heard of Cyborg (the character) before these films.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:19 (six days ago) link

Cyborg wasn't created by Snyder, but god forbid any of these franchises actually dare to invent something new

rob, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:55 (six days ago) link

JIC, he’s been around for 41 years and was the reason why Teen Titans was the only DC book I halfway paid attention to when I was a kid: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(DC_Comics)

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 15:12 (six days ago) link

The Teen Titans comic was super-popular in the '80s, and the cartoon seems to have been pretty popular in the 2000s, but yeah, DC hasn't done a whole lot to popularize the individual characters with general audiences. I guess the Marvel equivalent is like Nightcrawler or Colossus. Yeah, they've shown up in movies and stuff but yr average person on the street probably isn't going to be familiar with them on the level of a Wolverine.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 15:59 (six days ago) link

cyborg definitely initially benefited from coming out of wolfman/perez's megahit; i think not much was done with him after as white DC writers weren't quite sure what to do with a black supergenius post-human character that didn't involve him yelling CHRISTMAS and busting drug dealers
i'm kinda surprised you're not familiar with him via the Teen Titans cartoon though; that's been around and extremely popular on the web and irl for years, which is also why your average 15 year old might know who Raven is.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:30 (six days ago) link

The Teen Titans Go! lineup is basically all of the Titans I actually have a shit about, maybe swapping out Robin with Wonder Girl

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:33 (six days ago) link

As someone who's read a good number of DC comics, I don't think I've ever read a non-Titans comic that had Cyborg (or any of the other Wolfman-created Titans) in it.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:33 (six days ago) link

I can totally believe he's been around, and I've googled to see who he is, but that doesn't change that I hadn't heard of him before. But then, I don't know what the Teen Titans are, either. Are they like the Muppet babies?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:36 (six days ago) link

Thinking about it now, it's kinda weird how underutilized they've been in the comics for such popular characters (and yes, I know Cyborg has been a Justice Leaguer for a number of years now but DC has been m/l dead to me since Flashpoint).

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:36 (six days ago) link

xpost lol, well I get that you may not know the individual characters but the Teen Titans as a team (originally a team of sidekicks, with Robin and Speedy et al) have been around since the '60s so the ground beneath you is getting a little thin now.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:39 (six days ago) link

xxxp As of just under a decade ago, he's a Justice League founder!

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:41 (six days ago) link

damn even I know who Cyborg is, but I did see Justice League to kill time and watch Teen Titans Go.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:42 (six days ago) link

both teen titans and teen titans go! were/are great shows, it's wild

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:43 (six days ago) link

i mean actually dc animation has a lot of quality shows, but teen titans' particular style and execution was totally distinct from their other stuff and it works so well

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:44 (six days ago) link

lol, I literally said I have only a passing familiarity with just the biggest name DC characters. Oh, I knew Shazam, too, from my dad's book. Shazam was DC, right? Never heard of Speedy (though I can imagine), or Raven (no clue), or Flashpoint or Wolfman.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:45 (six days ago) link

Remember when Wolfman was implied to be a dangerous, world-warping villain within the DC universe for his actions - “Did the Wolfman send you?”

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 17:59 (six days ago) link

- at the same time that he was being stripped of his powers and forced to carry out a shadowy, unaccountable over-figure’s schemes?

Jump forward a few decades and I get to read something like this on ILX once a year -

As of just under a decade ago, he's a Justice League founder!

- and grit my teeth, shake my fist at the sky and yell “JOHNNNNNSS!”

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 18:03 (six days ago) link

Speedy = Green Arrow sidekick who eventually took his name too literally and dove headlong into teh drugs
Raven = member of popular '80s Teen Titans lineup who, if you aren't familiar with the Titans, you probably wouldn't know anything about
Flashpoint = that time ten years ago when DC was all 'hey, remember all of those comics stories we made that you loved? yeah, those never happened'
Wolfman = c'mon, man, Marv Wolfman, writer of the popular '80s Teen Titans title, also a prolific Marvel writer and one-time editor-in-chief

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 18:09 (six days ago) link

Way to step on my 100% accurate yes-and-ing re Wolfman

There is very little chance that Josh knows who Green Arrow is.

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 18:14 (six days ago) link

Correct

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 18:48 (six days ago) link

lol, well just for one example he's the dude whose show just ended after airing for the better part of a decade and spawning spin-off shows that comprise the bulk of the CW's prime time line-up. Celebrating his 80th anniversary this year alongside Captain America.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 19:00 (six days ago) link

Also OL may have given the wrong impression of what sort of drugs Speedy got into.

https://i.imgur.com/9zzYcgD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/axwJCxx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5VMwuuB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mfsJU4g.jpg

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 19:10 (six days ago) link

Shoulda renamed himself Dopey imo

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 19:56 (six days ago) link

Josh, I would suggest that there's no less obscure mainstream comics character than Green Arrow that you could possibly be unaware of but now I'm motivated to ferret one out.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:18 (six days ago) link

Martian Manhunter?

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:19 (six days ago) link

Ohh, good one. Black Canary, too, obvs. Kinda thinking along the lines of old school and/or long-term JLA-ers that haven't been emblazoned on bedsheets for decades. Dr. Fate, probably.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:21 (six days ago) link

Hawkman? Atom? Spectre? Thinking of ones that have been around as long as an average human lifespan.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:28 (six days ago) link

Oh, I knew Shazam, too, from my dad's book.

your dad's what now?

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:28 (six days ago) link

also xp Phantom Stranger. Or Vixen!

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:29 (six days ago) link

xpost Josh mentioned upthread that he was largely familiar with DC heroes via a collection of first issues his dad had.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:33 (six days ago) link

oh okay, that make more sense. I was wondering if your dad was CC Beck!

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:35 (six days ago) link

Oh: Nightwing

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:36 (six days ago) link

Green Arrow just finished its eighth consecutive year as a primetime television show!

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:46 (six days ago) link

Lol, yeah, I had a book of DC origins or something like that, which had a lot of the most obvious subjects in it. But no, Green Arrow, Atom, Spectre, Black Canary, Dr. Fate, Martian Manhunter ... never heard of them. If you told me those were made up characters in some contemporary superhero satire like "The Boys" I'd believe you. Oh, wait, I know Hawkman! But Hawkman might have been in that DC coffee table book.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:42 (six days ago) link

DC as a comics company has been very bad at promoting any character individually aside from a handful of Batverse main characters for a while now.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:50 (six days ago) link

Green Arrow's origin is "bought a bow and arrow," tbf, not hard to catch up

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:04 (six days ago) link

xpost It's true. It says something that all of these characters have been around long enough to have great grandchildren, are still utilized in the comics as well as other media, and hardly anyone outside of the nerdlinger elite has any idea they exist.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:05 (six days ago) link

xp

also once he was super-rich but got radicalised when he lost it, and turned into Whatabout Man. which his simp white wealthy-middle-class pals would roll their eyes endlessly at, waiting for him to stfu so they could go back to brutalizing the poor

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:08 (six days ago) link

Must-read thread of old: THE FINGER: or, how I stopped worrying and learned to love Green Arrow

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:25 (six days ago) link

lol @ THE FINGER

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:48 (six days ago) link

I expected that to be a much longer recap: THE FINGER must have been an ILC meme for a while before Huk threaded

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Monday, 1 March 2021 04:32 (five days ago) link

Yeah, it must've been. I recall many more instances of Oliver jamming THE FINGER in everyone's face.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 March 2021 04:34 (five days ago) link


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