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not actually new but I only just binge-scovered it on netflix (overlooked ftb boring name i guess): caught up w/s1/2 since sunday, started s3 late yesterday, will get to s4 in next couple days no doubt

the anti-corruption ppl try to reign in the corrupt ppl, except who is which? and who will win? lots of things to enjoy, some things that bug me

SPOILERY NOTES FOLLOW, tracer i need yr input here
a: neil morrissey has (a) turned into cary grant kinda, and (b) shd give up comedy, he's good at serious sleazy drama!
b: it is great at shock developments (on sun i told myself "just one more ep b4 bed" and hence confronted self w/a home invasion and a throat-cutting)
c: it seems happy to bump off characters you assume will be around for a while
d: a couple of the are-they-aren't-they villains have been a bit swervy as plausible character types (i'm thinking dryden mainly)
e: lol they shd make a dexter-style tec series round denton, she solves crimes FROM PRISON on the days she's let out or something -- anyway she was terrific to spend time with, as a "who/what exactly is she?" kind of an invention you invest a lot of sympathy in and then omg
f: i'm hearing a bit of jumps-the-shark talk abt the most recent developments (hence girding my challopsy loins for the argts)
g: at heart it's *very* ACAB (even the good ones are arseholes, and treachery institutionally determined)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 09:57 (three years ago) link

neil morrissey has (a) turned into cary grant kinda

https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/33.gif?w=798

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:02 (three years ago) link

gonna need a bit more unpacking of that one

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:03 (three years ago) link

looks strangely like him now, has evolved unexpected silverback gravitas, real name archibald leach

(it doesn't really work obv, since cary g was all abt the comedy even in serious roles, and neil is -- it turns out -- only tolerable when he isn't being one bit comical)

(but he does look like cg all of a sudden) (possibly bcz acting with a stick reveals his previously less-evident tallness)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:10 (three years ago) link

i've been meaning to get around to watching this show for a while and i think this frankly startling news is the gonna be the tipping point

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:13 (three years ago) link

is recommend, esp. in 5-hrs-at-a-time splurges :)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:19 (three years ago) link

i've heard nothing but good things, but i think i might have spoiled a bit of it a while back by catching what appeared to be the unexpected death of a major character while i was channel-hopping :(

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:22 (three years ago) link

no doubt this thread will not help much with that issue :|

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:23 (three years ago) link

i'm out, back asap

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:26 (three years ago) link

is recommend, esp. in 5-hrs-at-a-time splurges :)

Yep, watched the last series back-to-back on a flight and it was excellent - though i am not sure i entirely got what Denton was up to in the grand scheme of things.

The finale was audaciously silly in a way that worked surprisingly well.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:28 (three years ago) link

sticking w/denton as a dexter-esque "the darkest villain is the best cop" invention

"maverick you say? hold my beer"

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:34 (three years ago) link

i'm hearing a bit of jumps-the-shark talk abt the most recent developments

Not so far!

I think the show has vaccinated itself against shark-jumping by being very silly indeed and almost always getting away with it. There's an amazing moment in the season three finale involving a text message that's Adam-West-Batman-level preposterous - you'll know it when you see it - but the way it plays out is quite fun and exciting.

When Doctor Who and other BBC shows go blockbuster, I tend to eyeroll - but this show seems unique its ability to be "gritty realistic" and also totally daft at the same time - the momentum always keeps you from questioning the story. It's almost Ian Fleming-like.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:15 (three years ago) link

End of the last season seemed to be pretty shark jumping for various character interpersonal and behaviour reasons. But I'm lookiing at the new one anyway.

But the guy from forensics may be getting himself a little type cast.
& hope that Tandie's in throughout the season.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:21 (three years ago) link

it has some of the best queasily confrontational hostile interviewing i think i've ever watched -- where you really aren't sure who you want to root for, when both sides are quite compromised and also quite unpleasant ppl (or have anyway recently behaved unpleasantly)

and this seems to happen in nearly every episode! as if the somewhat ludicrous turns the story often takes are devised purely to engineer these confrontations (i mean, i kind of assume they are)

a couple of those involved are a bit too mask-like too often maybe

good work too with police computer systems: all horrible 90s design and typefaces, the opposite of CSI nonsense

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:29 (three years ago) link

DENTON

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 16:54 (three years ago) link

When do we get to talk about the ending of S4E1? That was preposterous (in a good way, like most of the rest of it, esp that text message moment mentioned upthread. Happy Valley it ain't).

Lindsay Denton is/was a fascinating character though. As are/were Nige and Dot and Dryden. I still love the bit at the end of S1 where someone was chopping Arnott's finger off in a vice and he was trying to arrest them for assaulting a police officer as they were doing it.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:26 (three years ago) link

i am still watching S3! (ep3 right now)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:28 (three years ago) link

OMG the "truth and reconciliation" face off!!!

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:54 (three years ago) link

the guy who plays matthew "dot" cottan is probably my least favourite main actor

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

arnott increasingly reminds me lookwise of someone i know really well -- tho obviously not very like him in temperament

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:32 (three years ago) link

WAIT WHAAAAAAAAT?????

(i have just reached the operation yewtree reveal)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:40 (three years ago) link

hastings is terrific

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:48 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I love Hastings.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:02 (three years ago) link

The Dale Roach/Rochdale "ha, doesn't he look like Cyril Smith", "oh, look, here's Jimmy Savile" bit was HI DERE LET US HIT YOU WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:02 (three years ago) link

BEST SLEDGEHAMMER EVER :D

sadly followed now by a v sad sledgehammer :(

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:16 (three years ago) link

one of the little things i like is ppl being interviewed constantly complaining abt the aggressive and hurtful tone being used

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:18 (three years ago) link

My favourite moments are when Fleming stands on the AC-12 balcony, and a SUSPICIOUS GLARE-OFF erupts between Kate and whoever's leaving the building.

Aside from that - the ending to the season four premiere suggests the new season will just be an extended game of exquisite corpse

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:48 (three years ago) link

*MARK MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS NEXT BIT*

I dunno, it might be fun to subvert the "hi, we have a new lead actor, OH LOOK THEY'RE DEAD" trope.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:54 (three years ago) link

*CARRY ON NOT LOOKING MARK*

I assumed they were deliberately leading you into thinking they'd pulled the same trick as last time, until the very last second. I guess we'll find out next week...

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:58 (three years ago) link

ok lol i have just completed series 3

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:47 (three years ago) link

thinking of meetings where i'd have liked to have sent that text

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:54 (three years ago) link

*MARK MAY OR MAY NOT ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERIES 4 HERE*

Series 1-3 all killed off leading actors who were meant to have prominent roles really early on - Gina McKee in S1 (to be fair, she lasted until episode 2), that lass from Call the Midwife that went out the window in S2, then Daniel Mays in S3. It's totally a thing, so much so that we were taking bets as to who was going to bite it by the end.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:02 (three years ago) link

In fact, did they not off Will Mellor quite early on last year as well?

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:04 (three years ago) link

yes i had spotted this trend and am unlikely to be totally startled by its early resumption in s4

mutton-chops guy playing bowls has needed arresting since he was bob in RITA, SUE AND BOB TOO (1987)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:08 (three years ago) link

He was a nice bloke in Happy Valley though iirc.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:12 (three years ago) link

Although we've been cheated out of a good Neil Morrissey death scene

Personally I fear for Hastings this year

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:13 (three years ago) link

His replacement will be Zombie Denton, the best copper in history

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:16 (three years ago) link

I think I mentioned elsewhere how last year there were loads of folk on Twitter going "OMG IT WAS A TRUE STORY" just because they did they "Nige retired on a full pension, Kate was given a medal of honour" type summary over the credits, people took that to be what actually happened to real people rather than a lazy plot device.

btw, since Kate went full-on action hero and got herself a medal at a big showy ceremony, how come she still gets to go undercover as a mystery secondee called Kate and no-one ever still knows who she is?

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:30 (three years ago) link

i liked the end summaries in the earlier series: they were p much "wrong person is jailed, corrupt cops still at large and in charge, everything is fucked and getting worse"

mark s, Thursday, 30 March 2017 10:36 (three years ago) link

ok i am up to speed lol

i worry a bit abt banging my own head like that on my kitchen top

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 20:42 (three years ago) link

e1 s4 was not on the whole a good episode

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 20:47 (three years ago) link

it's been a big year for kitchentop headbang deaths (see also search party)

i'm pretty sure that, unless you bull charge your kitchen top from fifty feet away, you're unlikely to injure yourself more than a mild boink

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:09 (three years ago) link

i enjoyed the first episode of the news season, btw

although yes it does seem like the show is resting on its tropes for the first time

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:11 (three years ago) link

i am not going to stop watching

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:15 (three years ago) link

neil morrissey very much not cary grant in one important respect: not handsome

||||||||, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:20 (three years ago) link

come on they're basically twins

http://yeoldecybershoppe.com/malahide/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Boon_In-It-for-the-Monet-008.jpg

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:29 (three years ago) link

HERE BE SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED LAST NIGHT YET

Trope subverted! (though still managed to kill off a potentially major character, just not the one we were expecting)

Thandie was fair compos mentis for someone who had just survived a fairly major bump to the head though, eh?

ailsa, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:02 (three years ago) link

I can't believe that every inch of that evidence room isn't covered by CCTV

nate woolls, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:03 (three years ago) link

Yeah, that was kind of ridiculous. Also can't believe Steve's being considered for promotion after all the fuck-ups in the Denton case, let alone the fact he never spotted Dot being shifty for three years.

ailsa, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:19 (three years ago) link

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ailsa, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:01 (three years ago) link

so jealous

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:21 (nine months ago) link

i’m only 3 eps in and it fairly whips along! def onboard

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:28 (nine months ago) link

omg VG where ya been?

kinder, Sunday, 1 December 2019 23:23 (nine months ago) link

hello double glazed GLAREd windows

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 December 2019 23:30 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

midway through s2
The Denton misdirect is impressive!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2020 05:57 (eight months ago) link

this show is bananas and i love it
finished s2, now rolling thru s3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:12 (eight months ago) link

lil stevie arnott gets about - i literally snorted at his “happy anniversary” flowers opening of s3 like get the fuck outta here anniversary of what lol

i love the aggro interviews so much
Dryden in s2 playing gentlemanly like querying what the definition of sexual relations and then growling “aye i shagged her”

is there a window push in s3, i hope so, quite enjoy those

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:18 (eight months ago) link

Don't think so but you do get to see Keeley Hawes doing a great Denton snarl

kinder, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:55 (eight months ago) link

yes! watching her rn
she is GOAT i love this character & her acting
she’s wonderfully shaded ... like there’s some nutso Annie Wilkes in there for sure but also cold logic and loneliness and strategy and she plays it amazingly well

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:58 (eight months ago) link

omg u guys i just finished s4 and I need to lie the fuck down.... what a ride.
Thandie was amazing, obv.

BUT Hulu doesnt have S5 yet so I may have to go “find” it

why?

because the only thing I care about anymore is CATCHING BENT COPPERS

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 05:38 (eight months ago) link

oh and shoutout to the makeup effects team for making a barf-tastic MRSA infection ye gods

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 05:40 (eight months ago) link

ONE OF US
ONE OF US

warning, s5 is a bit ... mm... not up to scratch at the end.

kinder, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 13:18 (eight months ago) link

End of S5 is, yeah. I watched it with my LoD posse, all entirely stoked for the madness, and we all just went "uh?" and drank a lot and went "uh?" some more. There's some good stuff in the rest of the series though. Anna Maxwell Martin is awes.

ailsa, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 21:01 (eight months ago) link

just learned that S5 will never be on Hulu bc AcornTV got exclusive rights to S5 - apparently it switched to BBC etc RaGH

so i will definitely be “finding” it and watching soon

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 22:04 (eight months ago) link

S5 has some good pay-offs to really, really old plot threads, but yeah the ending was a sore disappointment. The biggest crime(no pun intended) is that it wastes what should've been one of the crowning interview scenes of the entire series.

I'm hoping S6 goes back to the usual AC12 vs Bent Bastard chess game format which is when the show is at it's best.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:17 (eight months ago) link

at least it ended better than Bodyguard, fucked up that people thought the second half of that was good

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 23:22 (eight months ago) link

VG: If you can’t “find” it, I think Acorn offers a free trial for a week.

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 00:08 (eight months ago) link

omg yes! you’re a genius! thank u tokyo

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 05:23 (eight months ago) link

target acquired :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 06:27 (eight months ago) link

just started watching this and finished the first series. compston's accent is hilarious to me

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:06 (eight months ago) link

I know he is Scottish (and is a big Celtic fan) but you would never know it! Is it literally to set up that s3 bit that he can’t use his own accent, or did they feel his personality was more suited to generic southeast?

steer karma (gyac), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:14 (eight months ago) link

Arnott is 100% a Tory

steer karma (gyac), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:15 (eight months ago) link

how the characters from line of duty vote:
steve arnott- labour
kate fleming- lib dem
ted hastings- labour (possibly a non voter)
dot cottan- spoils his ballot
lindsay denton- green
derek hilton- tory
patricia carmichael- lib dem
nigel morton- brexit party
tony gates- tory

— harriet (@flyingpalin) December 8, 2019



This list is entirely wrong, he is 100% petty bourgeois generic south of England Tory who tightens his mouth at Labour posters and doesn’t join in with political discussions when he doesn’t want a fight.

steer karma (gyac), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:17 (eight months ago) link

i was semi-ironically complaining to my gf that compston being a goody gets made to do the southeast of england accent but the baddy in season one is fine to speak in a west of scotland accent #scotophobiainmedia

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:18 (eight months ago) link

yeah the Bodyguard was tosh towards the end :(

kinder, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:41 (eight months ago) link

xp. finished series 2 last night. not as good as the first series i didn't think, ending didn't quite land for me.

jeddy mercury's vendetta agains the scots continues unabated however. useless, top-brass paedo character = by all means use your scottish accent.

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:49 (eight months ago) link

its more sinister lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:55 (eight months ago) link

I am 4 eps in to S5
I cant figure out what’s weird about it but it doesnt grab me quite the way the others have. Maybe bc all the Hastings stuff is so top-line now? idk. Also I hate Arnott’s facial hair now, he looks like a cross between evil Spock & a nightclub promoter.

But Stephen Graham is fucking great.
The stuff with his wife on the phone was so good. I have loved him in pretty much everything he’s ever been in.
Sidebar: It’s crazy to me that his career was total happenstance: he didn’t even go out for Snatch, apparently he just went along w a friend to the audition.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2020 06:36 (eight months ago) link

oh and now he’s off it so thats just great
GREAT JOB SHOW >:(

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2020 06:36 (eight months ago) link

ooh but I love Anna Maxwell Martin
Best interview sequence yet I reckon, loved her quiet dominance of Hastings
v fun to watch o’shouty get some pushback

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2020 07:53 (eight months ago) link

steve arnott- Well Labour was alright when Blair was in but Tory ever since
kate fleming- Labour
dot cottan- Tory
lindsay denton- this is a tough one, natural LibDem but there's something about the levels of seething rage that suggests Tory
derek hilton - greasing up to RW Labour councillor type
patricia carmichael- lib dem
nigel morton - Brexit or Tory
tony gates- Labour
ted hastings - only interested in one thing, BENT COPPERS

Matt DC, Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:07 (eight months ago) link

Yes I typed that entire thing out so I could make that joke what of it?

I recently saw Superintendent Ted Hastings directing his free jazz version of The Wasteland which was not a direction I expected my life to take. He's a lot smaller than he appears on TV so the real Steve Arnott must struggle to make himself seen above medium-sized chairs.

Matt DC, Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:10 (eight months ago) link

Dont think Compston is crazy small. 5'7 or 5'8

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:26 (eight months ago) link

It's Graham's actual missus and kids on the other end of the phone in those sequences.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:22 (eight months ago) link

for real?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:13 (eight months ago) link

Playing Corbett's wife and kids? No it's not.

Martin Compston's real wife is the women who contacts Steve via the dating app though.

ailsa, Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:41 (eight months ago) link

Graham was on something recently (Graham Norton, maybe?) and he said that for the phone call his character made to his family, the director had arranged for it to be his actual family on the other end. He'd been missing his family horribly; the reaction on camera was a genuine one.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:52 (eight months ago) link

Aw!! <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:29 (eight months ago) link

Ah, ok, I thought you'd meant playing the rest of the Corbett family on screen. That makes absolute sense, cheers.

ailsa, Sunday, 26 January 2020 19:56 (eight months ago) link

DOT

DOT

DOT

DOT

what the dotting christ was that retrofitted nonsense jfc

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 January 2020 02:10 (seven months ago) link

you dreamed that
we all dreamed it
it will never be mentioned again

kinder, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:21 (seven months ago) link

Love how they just magically notice this on a video they’ve probably watched thousands of times

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:51 (seven months ago) link

we haven't got the bit where they pan out further and realise what he's saying with his feet

mark s, Monday, 27 January 2020 11:09 (seven months ago) link

Four dots is Morse code for H. The entire thing was retcon wankery of the highest order.

ailsa, Monday, 27 January 2020 12:26 (seven months ago) link

in s6 they will re-view the clip and realise that four dots are actually four Es:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcOY8ziJdLk

mark s, Monday, 27 January 2020 12:30 (seven months ago) link

it was actually "fore" and the real villain is the golf course from season 1

seandalai, Monday, 27 January 2020 16:22 (seven months ago) link

line of duty season 3 - scotophobia report: lindsay denton's caseworker who tries to sexually exploit her: scottish

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 17:16 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Filming of series 6 suspended.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 19 March 2020 01:08 (six months ago) link

boooooo

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 March 2020 02:11 (six months ago) link

Le fuck

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 March 2020 09:17 (six months ago) link


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