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not actually new but I only just binge-scovered it on netflix (overlooked ftb boring name i guess): caught up w/s1/2 since sunday, started s3 late yesterday, will get to s4 in next couple days no doubt

the anti-corruption ppl try to reign in the corrupt ppl, except who is which? and who will win? lots of things to enjoy, some things that bug me

SPOILERY NOTES FOLLOW, tracer i need yr input here
a: neil morrissey has (a) turned into cary grant kinda, and (b) shd give up comedy, he's good at serious sleazy drama!
b: it is great at shock developments (on sun i told myself "just one more ep b4 bed" and hence confronted self w/a home invasion and a throat-cutting)
c: it seems happy to bump off characters you assume will be around for a while
d: a couple of the are-they-aren't-they villains have been a bit swervy as plausible character types (i'm thinking dryden mainly)
e: lol they shd make a dexter-style tec series round denton, she solves crimes FROM PRISON on the days she's let out or something -- anyway she was terrific to spend time with, as a "who/what exactly is she?" kind of an invention you invest a lot of sympathy in and then omg
f: i'm hearing a bit of jumps-the-shark talk abt the most recent developments (hence girding my challopsy loins for the argts)
g: at heart it's *very* ACAB (even the good ones are arseholes, and treachery institutionally determined)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 09:57 (one year ago) Permalink

neil morrissey has (a) turned into cary grant kinda

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tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:02 (one year ago) Permalink

gonna need a bit more unpacking of that one

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:03 (one year ago) Permalink

looks strangely like him now, has evolved unexpected silverback gravitas, real name archibald leach

(it doesn't really work obv, since cary g was all abt the comedy even in serious roles, and neil is -- it turns out -- only tolerable when he isn't being one bit comical)

(but he does look like cg all of a sudden) (possibly bcz acting with a stick reveals his previously less-evident tallness)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:10 (one year ago) Permalink

i've been meaning to get around to watching this show for a while and i think this frankly startling news is the gonna be the tipping point

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:13 (one year ago) Permalink

is recommend, esp. in 5-hrs-at-a-time splurges :)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i've heard nothing but good things, but i think i might have spoiled a bit of it a while back by catching what appeared to be the unexpected death of a major character while i was channel-hopping :(

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:22 (one year ago) Permalink

no doubt this thread will not help much with that issue :|

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:23 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm out, back asap

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:26 (one year ago) Permalink

is recommend, esp. in 5-hrs-at-a-time splurges :)

Yep, watched the last series back-to-back on a flight and it was excellent - though i am not sure i entirely got what Denton was up to in the grand scheme of things.

The finale was audaciously silly in a way that worked surprisingly well.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:28 (one year ago) Permalink

sticking w/denton as a dexter-esque "the darkest villain is the best cop" invention

"maverick you say? hold my beer"

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:34 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm hearing a bit of jumps-the-shark talk abt the most recent developments

Not so far!

I think the show has vaccinated itself against shark-jumping by being very silly indeed and almost always getting away with it. There's an amazing moment in the season three finale involving a text message that's Adam-West-Batman-level preposterous - you'll know it when you see it - but the way it plays out is quite fun and exciting.

When Doctor Who and other BBC shows go blockbuster, I tend to eyeroll - but this show seems unique its ability to be "gritty realistic" and also totally daft at the same time - the momentum always keeps you from questioning the story. It's almost Ian Fleming-like.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

End of the last season seemed to be pretty shark jumping for various character interpersonal and behaviour reasons. But I'm lookiing at the new one anyway.

But the guy from forensics may be getting himself a little type cast.
& hope that Tandie's in throughout the season.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

it has some of the best queasily confrontational hostile interviewing i think i've ever watched -- where you really aren't sure who you want to root for, when both sides are quite compromised and also quite unpleasant ppl (or have anyway recently behaved unpleasantly)

and this seems to happen in nearly every episode! as if the somewhat ludicrous turns the story often takes are devised purely to engineer these confrontations (i mean, i kind of assume they are)

a couple of those involved are a bit too mask-like too often maybe

good work too with police computer systems: all horrible 90s design and typefaces, the opposite of CSI nonsense

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:29 (one year ago) Permalink

DENTON

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 16:54 (one year ago) Permalink

When do we get to talk about the ending of S4E1? That was preposterous (in a good way, like most of the rest of it, esp that text message moment mentioned upthread. Happy Valley it ain't).

Lindsay Denton is/was a fascinating character though. As are/were Nige and Dot and Dryden. I still love the bit at the end of S1 where someone was chopping Arnott's finger off in a vice and he was trying to arrest them for assaulting a police officer as they were doing it.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:26 (one year ago) Permalink

i am still watching S3! (ep3 right now)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:28 (one year ago) Permalink

OMG the "truth and reconciliation" face off!!!

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:54 (one year ago) Permalink

the guy who plays matthew "dot" cottan is probably my least favourite main actor

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:11 (one year ago) Permalink

arnott increasingly reminds me lookwise of someone i know really well -- tho obviously not very like him in temperament

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

WAIT WHAAAAAAAAT?????

(i have just reached the operation yewtree reveal)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:40 (one year ago) Permalink

hastings is terrific

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love Hastings.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:02 (one year ago) Permalink

The Dale Roach/Rochdale "ha, doesn't he look like Cyril Smith", "oh, look, here's Jimmy Savile" bit was HI DERE LET US HIT YOU WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:02 (one year ago) Permalink

BEST SLEDGEHAMMER EVER :D

sadly followed now by a v sad sledgehammer :(

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:16 (one year ago) Permalink

one of the little things i like is ppl being interviewed constantly complaining abt the aggressive and hurtful tone being used

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:18 (one year ago) Permalink

My favourite moments are when Fleming stands on the AC-12 balcony, and a SUSPICIOUS GLARE-OFF erupts between Kate and whoever's leaving the building.

Aside from that - the ending to the season four premiere suggests the new season will just be an extended game of exquisite corpse

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:48 (one year ago) Permalink

*MARK MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS NEXT BIT*

I dunno, it might be fun to subvert the "hi, we have a new lead actor, OH LOOK THEY'RE DEAD" trope.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:54 (one year ago) Permalink

*CARRY ON NOT LOOKING MARK*

I assumed they were deliberately leading you into thinking they'd pulled the same trick as last time, until the very last second. I guess we'll find out next week...

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:58 (one year ago) Permalink

ok lol i have just completed series 3

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:47 (one year ago) Permalink

thinking of meetings where i'd have liked to have sent that text

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:54 (one year ago) Permalink

*MARK MAY OR MAY NOT ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERIES 4 HERE*

Series 1-3 all killed off leading actors who were meant to have prominent roles really early on - Gina McKee in S1 (to be fair, she lasted until episode 2), that lass from Call the Midwife that went out the window in S2, then Daniel Mays in S3. It's totally a thing, so much so that we were taking bets as to who was going to bite it by the end.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:02 (one year ago) Permalink

In fact, did they not off Will Mellor quite early on last year as well?

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:04 (one year ago) Permalink

yes i had spotted this trend and am unlikely to be totally startled by its early resumption in s4

mutton-chops guy playing bowls has needed arresting since he was bob in RITA, SUE AND BOB TOO (1987)

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:08 (one year ago) Permalink

He was a nice bloke in Happy Valley though iirc.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Although we've been cheated out of a good Neil Morrissey death scene

Personally I fear for Hastings this year

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:13 (one year ago) Permalink

His replacement will be Zombie Denton, the best copper in history

mark s, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I mentioned elsewhere how last year there were loads of folk on Twitter going "OMG IT WAS A TRUE STORY" just because they did they "Nige retired on a full pension, Kate was given a medal of honour" type summary over the credits, people took that to be what actually happened to real people rather than a lazy plot device.

btw, since Kate went full-on action hero and got herself a medal at a big showy ceremony, how come she still gets to go undercover as a mystery secondee called Kate and no-one ever still knows who she is?

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:30 (one year ago) Permalink

i liked the end summaries in the earlier series: they were p much "wrong person is jailed, corrupt cops still at large and in charge, everything is fucked and getting worse"

mark s, Thursday, 30 March 2017 10:36 (one year ago) Permalink

ok i am up to speed lol

i worry a bit abt banging my own head like that on my kitchen top

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 20:42 (one year ago) Permalink

e1 s4 was not on the whole a good episode

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 20:47 (one year ago) Permalink

it's been a big year for kitchentop headbang deaths (see also search party)

i'm pretty sure that, unless you bull charge your kitchen top from fifty feet away, you're unlikely to injure yourself more than a mild boink

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:09 (one year ago) Permalink

i enjoyed the first episode of the news season, btw

although yes it does seem like the show is resting on its tropes for the first time

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

i am not going to stop watching

mark s, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:15 (one year ago) Permalink

neil morrissey very much not cary grant in one important respect: not handsome

||||||||, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:20 (one year ago) Permalink

come on they're basically twins

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Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:29 (one year ago) Permalink

HERE BE SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED LAST NIGHT YET

Trope subverted! (though still managed to kill off a potentially major character, just not the one we were expecting)

Thandie was fair compos mentis for someone who had just survived a fairly major bump to the head though, eh?

ailsa, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

I can't believe that every inch of that evidence room isn't covered by CCTV

nate woolls, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was kind of ridiculous. Also can't believe Steve's being considered for promotion after all the fuck-ups in the Denton case, let alone the fact he never spotted Dot being shifty for three years.

ailsa, Monday, 3 April 2017 13:19 (one year ago) Permalink

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ailsa, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Finished S4 last night. It has not helped with my questions from previous the series one little bit! There are so many loose threads and overall S4 was rather weak, but I still utterly love this show and I hope Mercurio can pull off S5 & S6 well.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 09:27 (one year ago) Permalink

This is not my original observation, but reading comments on a review of the finale, one eagle-eyed viewer spotted something very interesting...

Danny Waldren's hit list from S3, which featured Fairbanks, Tommy Hunter and the two Murphys, also features a couple of names that appear in the line-up of faces we see on the boards in the final scenes at AC-12 in S4, specifically on the board relating to identifying the potential "H"...

To quote.. "One is Paul Haleton (from Danny Waldren's list) ...... who on Sunday was named and pictured as Det Ch Insp Paul Haleton. The other is Supt Susan Hyde-Albert (pictured on the board). On DW's list is Roger Hyde-Albert .... surely a relation with a name like that ....? Two key names for series five?"

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Are we completely ruling out H from Steps?

Warren's Treat (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 25 May 2017 07:28 (one year ago) Permalink

studiously avoiding thread but i just finished E1 and omg they don't play

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 May 2017 07:47 (one year ago) Permalink

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Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 25 May 2017 07:58 (one year ago) Permalink

just finished watching this and i have one important thing i would like to point out....

that i have the right to be questioned by an officer at least one rank superior!!!

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otm

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 08:03 (one year ago) Permalink

maneet says "that's it.. i'm finished". hilton (or whoever hilton was answering to) must have had something on her. blackmail of some kind. either fabricated or not.

speaking of what maneet was up to it's surely extra evil to make it look like it was jamie breaching security when you're then going to turn around and get him to do the dirty work of delivering lakewell up to the executioner! talk about treating people disposably. who's the REAl racist eh?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

omg why didn't I watch this series when it was on? Just binged s3 and s4. <3 it so.

kinder, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 21:02 (one year ago) Permalink

s4 though I don't get why they got a balaclava man to attack Arnott when he was about to question Husband Huntley about his knowledge of where Roz Huntley was on the night of Ifield's murder? Ultimately no-one in The Conspiracy would've cared much about that murder other than to keep the spotlight off Roz, and it's not like getting rid of one officer would've stopped that line of enquiry as they all knew about it.

kinder, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:01 (one year ago) Permalink

IT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE AT THE TIME OKAY

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 23:48 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Anyone else watching Bodyguard? Excellent first episode, the opening sequence was some of the tensest TV I've ever seen.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 30 August 2018 11:58 (six months ago) Permalink

Is that the scene where Keeley sings "I Will Always Love You"?

mick signals, Thursday, 30 August 2018 13:50 (six months ago) Permalink

ep 1 was great, bit meh about ep 2 but gonna keep watching

kinder, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:05 (six months ago) Permalink

Agree about the tension at the start of episode one (not often our household is both glued to the screen in total silence), but it's tailed off somewhat since then.

ailsa, Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:12 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

OK we got some more tension

mick signals, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 01:26 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Just caught up with the last episode and wow. Great twist at the end re the villain.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 12 October 2018 07:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Are you meaning Line of Duty Series 4? I realise I can't recall the finale of that properly.

I want to rewatch the whole four series of Line of Duty before the fifth comes around next year, so all the wee details are fresh in my mind, ready for potential clues/red herrings/connecting of the dots. Hoping Jed Mercurio doesn't pull a Bodyguard on us though after all this build up.

brain (krakow), Friday, 12 October 2018 08:53 (five months ago) Permalink

No sorry, I was referring to the finale of Bodyguard. I revived this thread to talk about Bodyguard as well as LoD since it didn't seem worth its own thread.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 12 October 2018 09:52 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I'm also considering a re-watch of all of LoD before s5 starts...

kinder, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 14:02 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm hoping to have time for the same. I think there's a few details in 1-4 that I missed from a single viewing.

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 14:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm doing just that - just finished season 2.

ailsa, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:59 (one week ago) Permalink

i did this. S2 is my favourite. but generally over the entire arc the writing is amazing - sustained complexity. ok if the causal incidents sometimes feel a bit weird (S4), the games of three way cat and mouse, and individual motivations are incredibly well handled. JM’s use of the administrative framework, process and language of policing is great - it increases tension (the amazing interview scenes), can often be incorporated as a plot device - using the rule book to your own ends, and has a great aesthetic feeling.

the way things are resolved through the unraveling of the most imperceptible of threads. the claustrophobia and desperation of the mouse, making ever narrower and risky evasions. all great.

which is what makes the total wackness of the bodyguard a bit surprising.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 21:15 (one week ago) Permalink

and of course hastings is all time. “No? I’ll give you no.”

Fizzles, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 21:15 (one week ago) Permalink

I've never seen S1! so it's a bit spoiled obv but I reckon I probably should.

agree S2 is just tremendous.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 22:26 (one week ago) Permalink

By the way, everyone should read Jed Mercurio's novel ASCENT, which is genuinely great

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 23:45 (one week ago) Permalink

2 eps in and totally sucked in again!
I remembered the first ep being quite weird in tone, stilted dialogue, not quite sure what they were going for, and it still feels like that.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Ep 3 and they've just dropped the zinger catchphrase for the first time
'i'm entitled to be interviewed by an officer at least one rank superior'

kinder, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

stray observations so far from halfway through s1 (mainly things I don't remember catching the first time round):
*SPOILERS* if you haven't seen any of it *SPOILERS*

- 'Humourous'(?) or satyrical mentions of 'health and safety' paperwork, must do that impact assessment before chasing the bad guy etc - from the off, making it seem tongue in cheek but then also seemingly played perfectly seriously? I think we just settle in to this being a daft series though, right?
- 'There's no-one blacker than me' says Hastings, referring to his victimisation as a Catholic police officer in NI - is this supposed to show his lack of PC or is it a bit off?
- I don't really understand how AC12 are trying to catch Gates out with the 'laddering' - surely a bit of data analysis about the cases taken/not taken would be more illuminating than going round trying to get colleagues to say 'yeah he's doing laddering'? What evidence are they after? If the system/metrics/targets incentivise this while allowing it then surely it's the system that's wrong?
- It's a bit uneven with what Arnott looks into/doesn't e.g. I would've thought it's quite a big deal that Laverty ran over her accountant yet they're more interested in the money laundering (presumably bc of links to big drug guys but still). He takes ages to even search for 'Laverty' on the database. Also getting really hung up on that whole 'I'll find the whisky glass' thing where any sane Gates would've smashed it into a million pieces?
- We don't know it at the time but Dot is lying about telling AC12 that Gates took them off surveillance early, indicating that Gates is far more corrupt than he actually is (facilitating the double murder). Or you're meant to think Dot's just spineless. Whereas on second viewing we realise why he's doing it.

That little kid who viciously shouts BASTARD at everyone is lol

kinder, Thursday, 14 March 2019 23:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Watching S2 again: Lindsay Denton – the character and the performance – is so great. What I really like about it on a second viewing is the way the normal hidden functioning of dramatic irony in television and film is completely under attack by Denton. Taking Kate Fleming's ill-fated undercover mini-op. In order to show the inner dramatic workings of Fleming's presence, the direction and performance will pick up on all sorts of mannerisms and behaviour by Fleming, which is invisible to the people around her. Even within LoD, this is already made more complicated by Fleming's unconvincing undercover persona – that grating matiness, that doesn't sit very well on top of her somewhat glassy even hardboiled manner, makes even her targets wary of her.

But of course right from the get go Lindsay Denton isn't having a bit of it. Her watery eyes see everything the viewer does. It's an assault on the devices of the crime drama convention, similar in its own way to her amazing front foot attack on AC12 by getting incriminating records on all the investigating officers. Watching her fight using all the tricks available against institutional and criminal conspiracy and AC12 is like watching her fight the writer - I know what you've got planned for me but I'm going to use every trick in the book and quite a few outside it to try and prevent it happening. Quite brilliant.

kinder – had a couple of thoughts on your points:

  • I don't think it's humorous or satirical. There's a constant tension between regulations as 1) unnecessarily preventative of action 2) needing to be adhered to 3) vehicles for retribution 4) vehicles for criminal exploitation. If i'm identifying the bits you're talking about it - this is about a not highly motivated PC wanting to take the easy route to avoid pursuing justice. it may also be a comment the consequence of that meaning the regs can be a barrier to justice because it encourages people to avoid it (a converse point is made about crime targets generally, and the encouragement of laddering). However, her partner is seen to want to pursue justice regardless of the paperwork, or, when it's convenient to use 'risk assessment' as a reason not to pursue someone.
  • Going back to S1, Hastings seemed to me to be a wobbly in how he was drawn. Hadn't found his feet yet as a character. That said he's pretty complicated, and his experience of institutional prejudice within the police, as giving him a free pass around the accusation of othering and prejudice elsewhere is not necessarily outside character. So I don't think it's 'lack of PC' or a bit off. All that said, again, Bodyguard threw me slightly. The terrorism angle in S1 of LoD is important, but it's clear that it's being used as a thing to be exploited. In Bodyguard it felt like JM was half in love with the politics and HO style of the institutions he's portraying. It means I do always have a slight suspicious of 'elf and safety gone mad' and 'PC' in his writing, but wherever you look in LoD, it's an angle someone's got, it's part of the structure in which people are operating and which they're exploiting.
  • I think 'the system is wrong' point on laddering is made fairly early. LoD is all about systemic exploitation - who wins at the system wins the game. I don't really know about the data analysis? I just trust JM here, partly as a writer - you need an excuse to make things happen – and partly as an expert observer of police process – you need someone to say definitively 'they did this, and they asked us to do select these specific cases for additional charges under a system we called 'stick or twist'.
  • my recollection is Arnott doesn't know about the accountant. He delays going into Laverty because it's a hit and run, and it seems such a minor crime. Hastings as in the battle suggests this is suspicious but Arnott shoulder-shrugs it by saying he's picked it up to reduce suspicion on the laddering charge. Didn't see a hole here, but admit I may just not have seen it.

Fizzles, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:39 (six days ago) Permalink

You're spot on with those tensions, which is basically what the whole show is about. Even if not intentional, there are several instances in the first couple of episodes ('that's a 6-page form rather than a 1-page one', etc) where in any other show that'd be a punchline. I think it's also supposed to be highlighting the unprofessional/uncaring nature of that particular officer, though (she later patronises that victim with Down's Syndrome).
The fact the first 'yellow notice' against Gates (the free breakfast) was brought by the muggers was also part of this (criminals as well as cops knowing the system) - I liked it.

I'd forgotten quite how little Hastings actually appears in S1! I mentioned 'PC' because he brings it up when he asks Arnott if he's got a girlfriend (something like 'oh sorry, I'm not being PC' to indicate he realises he could have a boyfriend). Anyone white posting on here about how they're 'black' because they've been on the receiving end of prejudice etc would get piled on. Although obviously it made sense in context (discussion about how it doesn't look good to be going after the only black officer). Just stuck out a bit to me, that's all.

Arnott does find out about the hit & run victim being the accountant but it's quite sketchy what he looks into and when. Don't think it's particularly a plot hole, just I find Arnott a slightly weird character to 'get' and thought he'd be more dogged, particularly as he chanced on finding out about Gates & Laverty being together. I think the actor isn't too great (sorry DS Arnott) in S1, I was never massively clear on when he was being audacious within the authority of his job or totally overstepping the mark because he plays everything with the same pissed-off aggression (even when he tells that waitress 'sorry I can't do this, you're a witness').

These are just nitpicky things though or stuff I hadn't remembered. Looking forward to S2. (Agree re the 'grating matiness' of Fleming, we have a joke here that she's always 'Hi! Nice to meet you. Girls need to stick together, so tell me all your secrets!'

kinder, Saturday, 16 March 2019 13:26 (six days ago) Permalink

It's also a credit to JM how he manages to get devastating tension out of a huge cliche - the number 6/9 on the door at the start of s1.

kinder, Saturday, 16 March 2019 13:32 (six days ago) Permalink

I might be wrong re the hit & run guy, I'm re-reading the Guardian recaps and they mention Steve charges Jackie with manslaughter.

kinder, Saturday, 16 March 2019 13:41 (six days ago) Permalink

Bodyguard/Line of Duty skit on Comic Relief yesterday. Not very good (obviously) but worth it for this Hastings side-eye:

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Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:15 (six days ago) Permalink

If Hastings turns out to be a baddie I will be inconsolable.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 17 March 2019 23:31 (five days ago) Permalink

I bloody love this program

ian, Sunday, 17 March 2019 23:57 (five days ago) Permalink

*SPOILERS AGAIN* I'm on ep5 of s2 and can't wait to watch the last one tonight. even having watched it before I can't remember the outcome! one particular weird assumption being made so far which iirc is a total red herring - thinking the body is the missing girl when steps have been taken to hide her identity. I'm still unclear/ can't remember how the two crimes are initially linked (mis per and ambush) other than due to Denton picking that one missing girl to concentrate on?

when Prasad makes his dying declaration he admits they did the 'ambush' but could it be argued (if he needs a defence ever) that he was referring to the ambush on Denton's prison vehicle?

kinder, Monday, 18 March 2019 09:29 (four days ago) Permalink

Some mentions that S5 might have a date... Sun 31st March, 9pm.

brain (krakow), Monday, 18 March 2019 10:41 (four days ago) Permalink

Am still creeped out by the “I had to CLEAN her BRAINS off the pavement” line in S2

I love the **spy intrigue** in this & bodyguard but the violence & tension are prob my least favourite parts of the show (even though they are clearly key parts of what makes this show great and not too cosy)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 March 2019 10:49 (four days ago) Permalink

Am still creeped out by the “I had to CLEAN her BRAINS off the pavement” line in S2

I love the **spy intrigue** in this & bodyguard but the violence & tension are prob my least favourite parts of the show (even though they are clearly key parts of what makes this show great and not too cosy)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 March 2019 10:49 (four days ago) Permalink

(Sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 March 2019 10:50 (four days ago) Permalink

the other bold thing about s2 is how much hinges on the very first sequence of events (phone call, exchange between Denton and Jayne Akers) which is shown right from the off, even as the titles are still rolling iirc

kinder, Monday, 18 March 2019 13:21 (four days ago) Permalink

Sunday 31st March confirmed.

brain (krakow), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:16 (four days ago) Permalink

If Hastings turns out to be a baddie I will be inconsolable
I would hope JM knows this would be a terrible idea (right Jed? RIGHT?!) - the only way I could see they might run in this direction is if we see him being compromised and how he tries to resolve it, but that'd be more '24' territory

kinder, Monday, 18 March 2019 20:12 (four days ago) Permalink

You're getting way ahead of yerself there, fella

mick signals, Monday, 18 March 2019 21:03 (four days ago) Permalink

Am still creeped out by the “I had to CLEAN her BRAINS off the pavement” line in S2

I love the **spy intrigue** in this & bodyguard but the violence & tension are prob my least favourite parts of the show (even though they are clearly key parts of what makes this show great and not too cosy)

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, March 18, 2019 10:49 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The level of brutality in S2 is quite something isn't it, the prison scenes in particular are almost unbearable to watch (and it cleverly achieves the desired effect putting us on Denton's side before the extent of her duplicity is revealed).

I'm sticking to my theory that Hastings isn't necessarily involved in the big conspiracy but probably has some skeletons he wouldn't want unearthed by any investigation.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Monday, 18 March 2019 22:14 (four days ago) Permalink

less than two weeks away! excellent.
Yes funny that a show that's had a shooting, throat slitting, almost-finger-chopping, actual finger chopping, car set on fire, throwing someone from a window, hand scalding, dead girl blowtorching, plus numerous abh - in the first two series so far - is mainly known for police officers quoting regs in internal interviews.

kinder, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 00:03 (three days ago) Permalink

Less than two weeks = better get my re-watching skates on (have just watched s3e1).

ailsa, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 07:13 (three days ago) Permalink

Only on S1 of re-watch so won't finish in time but as it's only on weekly will probably just hold off the new ones for a couple of weeks.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 09:02 (three days ago) Permalink

S3 ep 4 (I think) - does Steve admit (to Kate) to planting the money in Denton's house? Huge if so?

kinder, Friday, 22 March 2019 00:04 (fifty-four minutes ago) Permalink


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