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Discuss this batfuck tv show

... and if any of you comic-splainers try to take over this thread with boringness I'll whack you with a rolled up newspaper (jk it's cool, luv u guys)

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:26 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm interested in this. big Dan Stevens stan here.

nomar, Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:28 (two years ago) Permalink

he's so good!!! and completely different again from his prev work. he even seems younger

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:30 (two years ago) Permalink

i like the weird retro staging too, and the music has been p good

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:31 (two years ago) Permalink

i liked him in downton abbey, loved him in the guest. probably not gonna see Beauty and the Beast but glad he landed that role.

i know he had auditioned for The Force Awakens, don't know what part he was aiming for.

nomar, Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:32 (two years ago) Permalink

the cast looks good. love Aubrey Plaza too. And Rachel Keller and Jean Smart, glad they are in it. Keller really impressed me in Fargo S2.

nomar, Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:33 (two years ago) Permalink

there can only be one many apparently

Mordy, Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:33 (two years ago) Permalink

One of the characters is called Syd Barrett???

MaresNest, Saturday, 11 February 2017 11:08 (two years ago) Permalink

Lol, the two threads were made at exactly the same time?

Noah Hawley, of Fargo, is running this, and directed first episode. Can't wait to see it!

Frederik B, Saturday, 11 February 2017 11:16 (two years ago) Permalink

i have no experience or really interest in psychotherapy, medication or superhero stories... but i'm in

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:07 (two years ago) Permalink

either this tv version also sees people who aren't there, or that weird yellow-eyed ogre person looks normal to everyone else

mh 😏, Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:15 (two years ago) Permalink

i too want to know how dan stevens looks ten years younger in this (i didn't recognise him till about 10 mins in)

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 11 February 2017 23:05 (two years ago) Permalink

right!?

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 23:17 (two years ago) Permalink

clearly occult worshiping involved

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2017 23:18 (two years ago) Permalink

this was outstanding! good lord.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:38 (two years ago) Permalink

yes i'm very excited for next ep.

Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:41 (two years ago) Permalink

the final sequence w/ all the CGI was almost too silly but i think they pulled it off at the end

i was trying to remember where i recognized the interrogator from - he's the guy from new adventures of old christine!

Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:42 (two years ago) Permalink

ohhhhhh that's where I recognized him from. I was trying to to place him too!

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:53 (two years ago) Permalink

he's v handsome, I like him

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:53 (two years ago) Permalink

I kept trying to figure out how many of the ppl were real and who was in his head

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:54 (two years ago) Permalink

gave myself a headache pretty quick haha

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 00:54 (two years ago) Permalink

aubrey plaza: was real, now in head
silent secret service escort team: head
syd: head

everyone else: tbd

mh 😏, Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:01 (two years ago) Permalink

he's v handsome, I like him

haha char said the exact same thing and then bemoaned the fact that he was dead + would not be appearing on future episodes

Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:01 (two years ago) Permalink

agree

;_;

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:02 (two years ago) Permalink

he was dead + would not be appearing on future episodes

These two things aren't definitely mutually exclusive though, right?

The high concept, the swimming pool and the presence of a skinny, twitchy English actor all made me think of Sherlock, which made me worry that this show will become crap sooner rather than later. I hope it doesn't. I really liked the first episode.

trishyb, Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:13 (two years ago) Permalink

ime a stylish director can keep an even quickly tired premise watchable for long past its expiration date cf most of bryan fuller's career (looking at imdb btw i didn't realize he was running american gods?? i'm suddenly interested in a show whose premise i was sure i was uninterested in.)

Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:21 (two years ago) Permalink

american god is dope, looking forward to the series

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

*s

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2017 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

this worked p well as an extended music video, looking forward to more

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Sunday, 12 February 2017 02:50 (two years ago) Permalink

not totally sold on this yet. I like how the editing finds ways to mimic comic-book framing temporally, but I hated the beyond-stereotypical mental ward and the pretty much 100% CGI'd action (which was also an irritant on Fargo). also the "which characters are in his heeeeaaadddd maaaan" angle is fucking annoying and I hope they do away with it as quickly as possible

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 12 February 2017 03:08 (two years ago) Permalink

i liked the memory hijacking

Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 03:09 (two years ago) Permalink

aubrey plaza: was real, now in head
silent secret service escort team: head
syd: head

everyone else: tbd

i am on record as being extremely literal and trusting and gullible when watching TV shows and movies so maybe i'm missing something big here, but at the end when he says "are you real? is this real?" and syd says "i'm real. this is real. i love you, and i came back for you" i was like YES!!! and i'm gonna be pretty pissed if i was wrong to feel that way

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 10:37 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah i think that breakdown is wrong. aubrey was real, now in head, yes. but it is a show about a mutant w/ powers to go along w/ his other problems. there isn't much of a show if silent secret service escort team and syd are in his head. (not to mention that would mean that all the gov ppl were also in his head otherwise how'd he get out of there.)

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 13:33 (two years ago) Permalink

I had a cold last week and I am willing to suspend all ideas until I rewatch the show, which I can't seem to remember at all this morning

mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 14:49 (two years ago) Permalink

like did each of the secret service-esque people use a mutant power or was that something I dreamt happened after watching the show and taking cold meds

mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 14:50 (two years ago) Permalink

you mean at the end? yeah they were force-throwing baddies left and right, popping them right over the tree line toward the horizon with a jerk of their elbows

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:11 (two years ago) Permalink

whew, I was ready to chalk that scene up to the nyquil

mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Dan Stevens overacts like crazy in this show. And the interrogator in brown is kind of unwatchable, not sure why. I love Fargo but am struggling to see the same kind of subtlety and intelligence here

calstars, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:21 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm ok with the overacting cause the guy's reacting to stuff that's in his head, plus it'll all kinda hyperreal/surreal - but yeah, i hope he starts getting a little more real and honest with his performance

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:22 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't know that 'honest' is a good goal for a performance basically ever, but particularly here, which (comic nerdery) is closer to a Shade the Changing Man TV show than anything else.

I found the interrogator (Hamish Linklater, no relation) to be incredibly watchable, hope to see more of him. Which may mean that I need to see more Fargo?

(not to mention that would mean that all the gov ppl were also in his head otherwise how'd he get out of there.)

The idea I guess would be that he has all these powers himself but he is along the road to being convinced that he's sane, so he has to imagine people who can use them.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't understand accusations of overacting in a show that exists in a state of heightened reality the way this one did in the pilot. Like, nothing that was going on was particularly "realistic" so I don't see how Stevens' performance crossed any lines that, for example, Plaza's didn't also cross.

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 16:51 (two years ago) Permalink

otm

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:22 (two years ago) Permalink

now picturing a mumblecore version of Legion & i already hate it

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:23 (two years ago) Permalink

the last season of 'girls' reveals all of the titular women were actually in one character's head

mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:19 (two years ago) Permalink

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:23 (two years ago) Permalink

I dunno, to me it feels like Plaza's tuned into her own inner frequency. Stevens often seems like he's doing "hey look at me being crazy", little hyperactive face twitchy stuff a la Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Maybe I just like Plaza's "don't give a fuck" crazy better and that's all there is to it. To be fair, in the big moments where Stevens needed to be super locked-in w/Syd he abandons the hyper-alert sparrow act mostly.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:27 (two years ago) Permalink

that's because being both people in a conversation is hard work

mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Heh

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:56 (two years ago) Permalink

Lenny was apparently written as a middle-aged man until the show-runner met Plaza - she insisted on keeping the lines as was - which does explain her enthusiasm for the idea of having tits.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:06 (two years ago) Permalink

So awesome!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 07:56 (two years ago) Permalink

probably a question that crosses over with the comics board: what particular things do you feel like it's aesthetically close to from fifteen years ago?

They're definitely playing with some of the weirdness of Bill Sienkiewicz's visual ideas, but the aesthetic reminds me more of some Chris Bachalo stuff from the mid 90s when it comes to some of the sets and use of patterns and light.

alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

for anyone enjoying the show and wondering about the earlier comics with some of the characters, this collection is still a buck at amazon if you're fine with reading the digital copy:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077ZG3DHQ/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1

the cover seems to have been picked at random and has nothing to do with the contents

amusingly, the issues collected cover enough time over one of x-men's more tumultuous periods that they've inserted catch-up pages of text between arcs. even with those, the ephemeral bits happening seem ridiculous. "by the way, since the previous page, the x-men are now dead (but not really) and storm is a child. have fun!"

alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 15:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Maybe a little more than 15 years ago, but this show's clearly very reminiscent of The Invisibles and Doom Patrol! I'd assumed the only reason no one had explicitly said so upthread is that it's so obvious that there's nothing to say.

Dan I., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I know it's firing up the sic-signal but I find it curiously reminiscent of Steranko's Nick Fury run. Something about the slightly go-go costume design, slightly archaic but stylised technology and the psych undercurrents to David's experiences. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

My favourite bit was Cary Loudermilk dancing while David was in the flotation tank. Him dancing round while plugging 1/4" jacks into a giant panel made him look like a modular synth guy waiting for his new release on Tone Science to drop.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:21 (one year ago) Permalink

I keep waiting for swirling black and white or checkerboard patterns on things, which I was coding as Bachalo but probably move obviously is a Nick Fury thing!

alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 21:07 (one year ago) Permalink

xp

Movin’ and groovin’. #LegionFX pic.twitter.com/WKF4vkx4HR

— Legion (@LegionFX) April 4, 2018

groovypanda, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 21:17 (one year ago) Permalink

oh maaaan i have missed this show

same as always, i dont know what i watched but i loved how it felt to take it all in!!

things i love
-the mustache girls who talk like Tina Weymouth in “Genius of Love”
-delusion chickens
-hexagons & shapes everywhere always
- dance off!!
- two of my favorite comedic actors doing the straightest, most serious faces is perversely hilarious
- BASKET HEAD BASKET HEAD
- vape elephant (rip vape frog?)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:39 (one year ago) Permalink

aldo otm re Cary dancing & plugging his plugs

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

probably a question that crosses over with the comics board: what particular things do you feel like it's aesthetically close to from fifteen years ago?

They're definitely playing with some of the weirdness of Bill Sienkiewicz's visual ideas, but the aesthetic reminds me more of some Chris Bachalo stuff from the mid 90s when it comes to some of the sets and use of patterns and light.

― alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heyo i was more thinking of the tone that arrived when they had grant morrison and peter milligan writing x-men books, the kind of awkward grafting of the tone they'd developed on vertigo and second-tier dc properties onto what still had to situate itself as mainstream and comprehensible. actually the second season is way more just straight up doom patrol on present evidence. i didn't mean visually.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 5 April 2018 06:19 (one year ago) Permalink

things i love
-the mustache girls who talk like Tina Weymouth in “Genius of Love”
-delusion chickens
-hexagons & shapes everywhere always
- dance off!!
- two of my favorite comedic actors doing the straightest, most serious faces is perversely hilarious
- BASKET HEAD BASKET HEAD
- vape elephant (rip vape frog?)

cosign all of these

also 'that creepy thing they do with their teeth'
also i didn't even notice the narrator was jon hamm

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 5 April 2018 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

ughhhhh the teeth was a huge pile of nope, that freaked me OUT

and yeah, Jon Hamm combining the Mercedes commercial voiceover & DSM nightmares, good stuff

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 06:39 (one year ago) Permalink

first 30 seconds of this are momentarily amusing but there’s no way it needs to be 2:30 long (also lol @ the twitter acct)

lets get it started // legion pic.twitter.com/M7X8rJtH5X

— iconic scenes to iconic songs (@flghtscenes) April 4, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 07:08 (one year ago) Permalink

thomp, that makes sense and I'd agree

-the mustache girls who talk like Tina Weymouth in “Genius of Love”

they sound almost exactly like the GLADOS computer from the video game Portal

alvin noto (mh), Thursday, 5 April 2018 14:35 (one year ago) Permalink

oohhh you’re right

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

there are a half dozen things the basket-head guy reminds me of
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-24-at-1.35.32-PM-630x628.jpg

alvin noto (mh), Thursday, 5 April 2018 16:09 (one year ago) Permalink

i was hoping he would talk like Cobra Commander

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2018 16:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i was hoping the sword in the stone bit would go on longer. B- episode

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 15:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Not as thrilling or narratively compelling as the last, but that's a weakness of a lot of exposition episodes in television. Hopefully it picks up a bit.

alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 15:18 (one year ago) Permalink

this week's episode was a slight step backward, but i'm looking forward to exploring Syd's psyche next week. i think my favorite image of the entire season is still the cafeteria with the table river and the little boats bringing food. reminds me of something murakami might dream of.

bhad bhabie...you gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

the plot detail I've been trying to figure out is if this tv version of David is just a telepath and the Shadow King has other abilities? I assumed when he was doing all the wonky things (people dropping into the ground, being incinerated, etc) in the last season that was Farouk using David's powers, but now that he's exorcised, he's been doing those things in Oliver's body, too.

very minor nerd lawyering, here

mh, Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:13 (one year ago) Permalink

David is capable of affecting the physical world too, like in the most recent episode when he teleported himself and the monk to the top of the building

bhad bhabie...you gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah!

maybe Oliver's a telekinetic, too, and he's doing the incinerating

mh, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:52 (one year ago) Permalink

right. i think maybe the King is just a parasite that knows how to use his hosts powers better than they even do, kinda like Fry's worms in that one episode of Futurama lol

bhad bhabie...you gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

THE INEXPLICABLE LETTERBOXING IS BACK

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 27 April 2018 14:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Loved that episode. Even made Turtleneck sound good.

groovypanda, Friday, 27 April 2018 22:46 (one year ago) Permalink

in the same vein i have a longstanding moratorium on dark moody covers but "white room" tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq7ZP215n0A

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 28 April 2018 06:37 (one year ago) Permalink

I still haven't seen any of this show, but someday I'll binge it all (probably will buy the DVDs).

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 28 April 2018 08:01 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWqAkhDLhhw

etc, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 10:17 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Renewed for a third season, which will certainly be interesting after this week's finale.

groovypanda, Thursday, 14 June 2018 07:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

This season started veering into hate-watch territory for me. I hope they right the ship next year.

DJI, Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

same tbh. i stanned hard for the first season but this one was... not as good

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Damn, I was just about to start this. What flubbed the second season?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

A lot of nonsense-for-nonsense's sake. I didn't read the comic, so maybe it comes from there (wouldn't be shocked! The comic creators were pretty nutty), but the mustachioed robot women, the basket head guy, the random ninjas and dance-offs and other goofiness. Also, the elliptical dialog really started to creak, with every sentence trailing off, questions being answered with more questions, etc. This show needs a voice-of-the-viewer character SO BAD, to just shake all these weirdos and be like "WTF IS HAPPENING DUDE?!"

DJI, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Also it's tough to get invested in a show which doesn't seem to have any rules. David is pretty much a god, and so it's hard to tell what limits he has, and whether scenes are taking place in reality, his mind, or the astral plane. We never see ANY normal people (or I guess if we do, they are just cannon-fodder), only this collection of weirdos, so that's also hard to relate to.

DJI, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

But if you liked Twin Peaks, then this will probably feel like CSI Miami to you, so ymmv.

DJI, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:39 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Season was definitely a mixed bag but the highs were still very high

groovypanda, Friday, 15 June 2018 06:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i lost interest halfway through because it felt overexplained ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Monday, 18 June 2018 17:00 (eleven months ago) Permalink

catching up

so would people say noah hawley has issues with women or

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 30 June 2018 14:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

hell of a finale

three people played by the same actor yelling at each other to express mental illness is kinda .. not something to be doing in 2018 though

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 1 July 2018 15:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

one should have been a dwarf obv

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 1 July 2018 15:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I liked the showcase episodes a lot, I'm happy that the next season will presumably have a lot of Aubrey Plaza.

This show needs a voice-of-the-viewer character SO BAD, to just shake all these weirdos and be like "WTF IS HAPPENING DUDE?!"

We never see ANY normal people (or I guess if we do, they are just cannon-fodder), only this collection of weirdos, so that's also hard to relate to.

Hah, we were actually laughing about how much use they got out of Dan Stevens' "WTF IS HAPPENING" expression, apart from the showcase for Normal Person Amy Haller, which was pretty clearly the "Dan would also like to stretch his acting chops" episode.

We took in the last three in one sitting yesterday, partly because we were near the end and partly because we kept having to remember what happened before.

The end is fucked up in, eh, more than one way.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 July 2018 13:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Third and final season coming in June

groovypanda, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 11:49 (two months ago) Permalink

ooooh

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 11:53 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

There’s no time like the present. Or the past. Or the future. The final season of #LegionFX premieres Mon. Jun. 24 pic.twitter.com/TEH5jfAT0d

— Legion (@LegionFX) May 7, 2019

groovypanda, Sunday, 19 May 2019 10:41 (five days ago) Permalink

Damn, I completely dropped off the train on this show right on start of S2. And I was heavily into it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 20 May 2019 04:24 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah i fell off too! :/

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2019 04:57 (four days ago) Permalink

S2 was not as satisfying as S1, but I’m ready to give S3 a shot.

plus Preacher’s back in June too

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 May 2019 05:51 (four days ago) Permalink

ooh yay :D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2019 06:00 (four days ago) Permalink

I remember really enjoying an awful lot of Season 2, but have no memory whatsoever of what happened in the end.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:07 (two days ago) Permalink

David broke bad

groovypanda, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 18:04 (two days ago) Permalink


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