A thread about the Denis Villeneuve-helmed reboot of DUNE

there's some debate whether the string character will appear in this version

i call him string

String theory

I'm not a Guardians of the Galaxy fan, but his role in that was far more memorable

https://summary.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dave-bautista.jpg

I've found a pic of him auditioning for Death of a Salesman in some regional theatre

Attention must be paid. Basketballs don't hold grudges

looks like he’s the one who killed the salesman

such a sensitive artistic soul as he - constantly getting offered scripts to play monstrous psychopaths, bouncers, skullcrushers etc with credited names like "mongo" and "bear" is just not on mate!

This was dope.

can’t knock Bautista or anyone not feeling satisfied in their career and trying to make the most of it.

Even in GotG where he is walking around shirtless saying stupid shit he's very good at it and gives a great comedic performance.

dunerereadwatch: the paul of the book is exhausting and i wish a sandworm wd roll over him

i) he can do anything and easily overcomes all narrative obstacles
ii) he never stops mumbling that "the jihad must not happen"
iii) i have read DUNE MESSIAH and i know that, whatever else does not happen, the jihad *does* happen (he blames his mum)
iv) it is p funny when stilgar and his mum lose patience with his self-regard and massively neg him when he's expecting praise lol

I like how so many of the current field of crossover muscle dudes have pretty good comic timing. Bautista, Momoa, Cena, even the Rock. Arnold could be funny, too, but it was also kind of campy and winky and always more or less Arnold as Arnold. These other dudes seem like they take direction better.

yeah true. i remember when the rock was on snl in the early 2000s being surprised at how good he was at comedy, not something we were generally trained to expect with the previous generation of gigantic musclemen. i think a big part of it is how many of these guys came out of pro wrestling, where you have to be good at comic timing and getting across to a live audience. as opposed to say arnold, who came out of bodybuilding which literally only asks you to stand still and pose silently.

He ruined it for himself by getting into politics (and going insane, not necessarily in that order), but Jesse "The Body" Ventura was really a pioneer in this regard and deserves a lot more praise for his work than he gets these days.

still catching up with the thread, so these points may have already been discussed but:
1. The Atreides walk into the trap because they feel the Harkonnen and Emperor have underestimated the Fremen in both fighting ability and population size. They know it's a trap, but they see a way to win. They also see value in knowing the trap, and worry that refusing Arrakis would just lead to another better hidden trap.
2. The Emperor is killing the Atreides in this seemingly roundabout way because it also allows him to sell spice reserves at high prices. The Harkonnen also get to do this. The emperor is threatened by Duke Leto's popularity. The Baron has old beef with the family. They both have their reasons to kill off the family, and they both get to make a shit ton of DuneDollars by doing it this way.

bigger plot hole for me has always been Dr. Yueh's betrayal. He went through "Imperial Conditioning", as indicated by the mark on his forehead, which is supposed to make it impossible for him to harm the people he serves. And yet Piter "discovers" that people with "Imperial Conditioning" will still do your bidding "if you capture and threaten to kill somebody they love," which seems to make the conditioning worthless, so why bother coming up with it at all. I suppose the new movie has so little Dr Yueh (and Piter) that the betrayal and its mechanisms don't really matter.

yeah that is a strange one. You'd think there would be some internal logic to this conditioning where he'd adhere to some kind of "least people ending up dead" code of ethics.

mofo must have cheated on his imperial exam

The end result of him being left to choose between his duty and his love made it somewhat of a sham POO rather than conditioning

Im no happier with that that any of ye are i promise but yknow its late

Just-started thread from a fave Twitter follow of mine, she knows her fashion.

1 - Hello, darlings. Welcome to #Threadtalk! This edition we're taking an interstellar trip to Arrakis to review the costumes of #Dune (2021).

Like before, featuring minimal to no spoilers. A focus on fashion and its relation to fashion history, plus bit of... spice. 🪐 pic.twitter.com/Edpu11D7dz

— Natania Barron (@NataniaBarron) November 8, 2021

An interesting article on the architecture that influenced the design of Dunehttps://t.co/HEyT54IaIa

— Duncan Bell (@DrDuncanBell) November 7, 2021

and here's architecture take

SUK medical conditioning more like medical conditioning that SUKS

― mark s, Saturday, 23 October 2021 20:57 (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

"Imperial Conditioning", as indicated by the mark on his forehead, which is supposed to make it impossible for him to harm the people he serves. And yet Piter "discovers" that people with "Imperial Conditioning" will still do your bidding "if you capture and threaten to kill somebody they love," which seems to make the conditioning worthless

but this actually isn't quite what piter ends up discovering that he's discovered, which is more that the coditioning can be overriden if a conditioned suk doctor can be caused to hate someone that they decide to kill them (and killing rather than harm is what the conditioning supposedly makes imposdsible): in the event yueh fails to kill the baron, but that's his intention, and that's why others have to die -- leto, shadout mapes, esmar tuek. yueh says as much in his note to paul and jessica (while jessica has already noted the extreme intensity of his hatred towards the harkonnens (which gets fatally misread, as fostering loyaty towards the atreides -- but no, it overrides that too. yueh loves the atreides but the hatred piter unleashes just swamps all that. piter teaches yueh to want to kill: this is buried in the text but i think important -- and of course it's why piter dies (also he dies bcz mentats just can't stop making dumb mistakes lol, they think like computers = they are dumm).

secondary deaths do seem like a problem for the conditioning tho: every time yueh gives idaho or halleck their yearly flu jab he is making it more likely that these legendary ducal killing machines will kill again. in conclusion this was a hurried device of suspect value, which is not exectly territory herbert shies away from. ps doctors with the conditioning are allowed to wear their hair long and gathered though a silver "suk ring", mister police i gave you all the clues

It is a lie of political convenience and therefore quite easily absorbed into any narrative

*slapping roof of dune* this narrative can absorb so many lies of political convenience

^^^not even actually a joke, it's what the book is about

A sandworm wouldnt swallow it but look here we are

the bene gesserit would know about this lie of political convenience given that they usually author them, but you've reminded me that the book at least tells of jessica nearly discovering him when she misreads darth yueh's switch to the dark side.

iirc she is probing Yueh's hatred of the harkonnen when she receives an interrupting vision that her thopter warranty has expired. Herbert foresaw everything.

at that stage in the story herbert is pedal-to-the-metal on the "strategics of love" vs the "tactics of hate" i think, leto glumly and somewhat self-hating talking to paul abt the atriedes propaganda flooding arrakis, about how he's kind and not cruel and etc, and then we see the power of loyalty unfold vs how the harkonnens do things, and the harkonnens are kinda dumb -- their thing nearly fully fucks up right at the start and carries on fucking up despite them now having all the resources and also all the imperial support. except of course FH's moral is "well hate is bad adn stupid yes, imagine now that you have a supersmart leader-prophet that ppl adoringly follow out of love -- imagine how much WORSE that might be!"

Folks, I'm sorry in advance but I'm going to shit up the thread...

My reaction to this is that you could see this on a double/triple-plusIMAX++++ screen with MBV's sound system and none of it will do any good because this script (and what to leave in or out) was by the same dudes who gave you The Concorde Airport '79, Forrest Gump, The Postman, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, the latest A Star Is Born, Prometheus, Doctor Strange, and Passengers. It's one heck of a foundation of wet cardboard to build a space opera on.

I may be the only person in the world who went to see it in a theater and came away disliking it - like serious dislike - all the flaws in sharp relief the size of a building.

I mean it was OK enough first seeing it on my laptop screen in a haze of Moderna booster, but taking it on again as a proper movie in a theater just exposes it for what it is as a very good looking book of art stills populated by people who don't want to be there.

Gawd, yes, Elvis, felt the same about after being in the cinema....and even the visual side was a let down, in the sense that it really didn't linger on many of the big moments..for example, they asked Stellan Skarsgård to sit in a vat of oil or whatever and I expected this scene to start revelling in the weird, macabre aspects of the harkonnen but it flashes by without any poignancy, like the rest of the film. It lacked a trust in the actors to bring the story to life and the cast looked bored amongst the stale green screen set pieces

Half of Villeneuve’s movies, especially the large release science fiction ones (Arrival, BR 2049, this Dune) remind me of Underworld’s song Pearl’s Girl because at some point you’re going to see lingering shots of

the water on stone
the water on concrete
the water on sand.

lucky he had some caladan material to sneak that in, along with the very moist harkonnens

baron's floating, baron's floating

Baron Saturday?

st eloise of the knife

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/56250ed56015429a1debbd21/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/eloise-illustration-01.jpg

part 2 needs a rival aesthetic intruding against the relentless malickness, alia is the correct character to hang this on

part 2 needs a rival aesthetic intruding against the relentless malickness, alia is the correct character to hang this on

Split directing duties between Villeneuve and Paul W.S. Anderson. He knows how to shoot deserts, too (cf. Monster Hunter, the third or fourth Resident Evil). He’s good with slow motion too.

split the difference and give it to wes anderson

get Ken Loach in, the pisshead guy who played Les Battersby can replace Bautista

"wes anderson's dune" parody sketch practically writes itself, but i for one think Owen Wilson would make a fantastic Feyd-Rautha

worm is a long line of schoolchildren in worm masks

White Stripes = we're going to be Fremen on the soundtrack.

Animal Farm by The Kinks over worm riding montage

We come from the land where sandworms blow
From the hot-ass sun where the spice must flow

watched it again with Dad this past weekend, liked it a bit more but it's still like an excessively packaged double swirl vinyl rerelease of a classic album where it's been remastered and brickwalled all to hell... I predict Half Price Books will contain roughly 500 copies of this on Blu-Ray within a year.

does this movie sync up with dopesmoker y/y