A thread about the Denis Villeneuve-helmed reboot of DUNE

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Nerds everywhere seem mostly ambivalent

https://www.cnet.com/news/as-if-blade-runner-wasnt-enough-denis-villeneuve-is-rebooting-dune/

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/1/14469524/dune-director-denis-villeneuve-arrival-blade-runner

The new Dune movie, being produced by Legendary Pictures, marks the second time the book will be adapted on the big screen. The first adaptation, directed by David Lynch (Twin Peaks) in 1984 only made $30 million at the box office and was scorned by critics. Prior to Lynch’s adaptation, cult director Alejandro Jodorowsky tried to capture the world of Herbert’s book to no avail. The events and problems surrounding the making of the film were eventually collected and edited together in a 2013 documentary, Jodorowsky’s Dune.

There is no estimated release date for the project at this time.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:44 (seven years ago) link

completely unnecessary!

the original is a stone cold classic

the late great, Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:55 (seven years ago) link

totally into it

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 2 February 2017 01:57 (seven years ago) link

this guy is a menace

adam, Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:07 (seven years ago) link

it's gonna end up playing like Gods of Egypt.

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link

This seems v unnecessary

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:39 (seven years ago) link

Last (necessary) movies you saw [Started by Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz) in January 2003]

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 February 2017 02:43 (seven years ago) link

I guess I'm ok with this. I'm sure Villeneuve will make a visually interesting movie. The real problem is making some kind of good and coherent script out of Dune.

I'm not sure what qualities a movie needs to have to be necessary.

silverfish, Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link

Dune is maybe the worst novel i have ever finished aside from The Hotel New Hampshire

ambivalent or full of loathing, nerds will show up

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link

(also i wd probably watch for free at home to see who inherits the thong from Sting and Matt Keeslaar)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

baron harkonnen is currently occupying the white house so there's plenty of latitude for villeneuve to play with heavy-handed allegory

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link

could be watchable, but they'll probably need to make it a trilogy to capture everything. Also, please do not go overboard on CGI -- Dune is mostly talking and getting insight into what people are thinking, so if they do this right, more than billion dollar FX, they need good actors, screenwriter, and yeah the director.

Dominique, Thursday, 2 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link

like if they say "we wanted to make sure we got the sandworms juuuust right", it's gonna suck, badly

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 February 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

let lynch do it again

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 2 February 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link

trailer better have exactly zero BRAAAAMMMMS in it
if there's a BRAAAAAMMMM with sandworms coming out of the ground trying to eat an ornithopter then basically, fuck everything

El Tomboto, Thursday, 2 February 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link

haha you know that's exactly what it's going to be like

the late great, Thursday, 2 February 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link

It'll be told from the sandworms' POV

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 February 2017 22:10 (seven years ago) link

ryan gosling running towards the screen, jumping, the sound DROPS OUT, he grabs onto a vehicle escaping, a sandworm JUMPS out of the ground behind him, jaws snapping (and a second, smaller but lengthier jaw snapping after him ever closer), and that "dying engine" sound kinda comes up on the soundtrack.

title card

DUNE

tagline -- some things were never meant to be unearthed

nomar, Thursday, 2 February 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link

SPICE

MUST

FLOW

coming summer 2019

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Uh.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-new-dune-movie-is-being-written-by-the-man-who-wrot-1794046167

Variety reports that Eric Roth, who won an Oscar for his adapted screenplay for Forrest Gump, has been hired to adapt the Frank Herbert novel Dune for director Denis Villeneuve. Roth also wrote The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, The Insider, Munich, Ali, and many, many more. So even though you say the words “Forrest Gump” and some people get nauseous, Roth is still a writer who is respected and has worked with some of the best filmmakers of all time: Fincher, Mann, Spielberg, and Zemeckis, just to name a few.

This is good news.

Is it now.

Even if Roth has previously only written one science fiction film: Kevin Costner’s The Postman.

IS IT GOOD NEWS NOW.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link

to be fair, i suspect most of the problems with the postman were caused by costner's ego

i'm more concerned that this guy's track record suggests we'll end up with a solidly middlebrow dune which won't satisfy anyone. what's the point in a dune which isn't batshit?!

stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:25 (seven years ago) link

"...and Brad Pitt as Leto."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link

when I think of the best guy to helm a mushroom fueled sci fi epic I think of the dude who wrote forrest gump

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link

nerds everywhere increasingly ambivalent

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Thursday, 6 April 2017 00:29 (seven years ago) link

we're talking Robocop remake ambivalent

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 April 2017 01:07 (seven years ago) link

I note that this fellow, who is indeed an industry pro (to a fault, perhaps) also wrote The Horse Whisperer and The Concorde...Airport 79.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 April 2017 01:40 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

I feel like if Blade Runner 2049 bombs maybe this doesn't have to happen

El Tomboto, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link

At least not with that screenwriter either.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

Well, it's still happening and...this is actually a smart idea.

https://www.avclub.com/denis-villeneuve-says-hes-now-making-two-dune-movies-1823660070

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link

this guy started out so promisingly, and now it's nerdstuff til he's done

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link

Gotta get paid. To be fair this is top tier nerd stuff, imo.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link

nertz to that, other filmmakers alternate lucre with arthouse

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 March 2018 04:02 (six years ago) link

Kinda having it both ways simultaneously now. As much as you can for Mega Budget sci fi. I’m glad he’s around and doing these things.

circa1916, Saturday, 10 March 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

LONG LIVE THE CHALAMET

Timothee Chalamet (@RealChalamet) in talks to star in Denis Villeneuve's 'Dune' https://t.co/CLKsqLD7jV pic.twitter.com/k6r8WvadDU

— Hollywood Reporter (@THR) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link

I'm trying to think of who they could cast to plausibly lose a duel to T.C. Paul Dano?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link

Smart move

I have just received Draft #4 of the DUNE screenplay from Legendary Pictures. This is for the first movie, covering approximately half of the novel DUNE. I'm very excited and pleased about this, and I'm beginning to burn the midnight oil. pic.twitter.com/nIfgb2zJ2J

— Brian Herbert (@DuneAuthor) July 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link

Feel like Brian Herbert being very excited and pleased about the dune screenplay is a bad sign.

Dan I., Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:44 (five years ago) link

Oh my god yes, get him away from it!
"DuneAuthor" as his Twitter handle, what a nerve.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link

If I wanted to read the Dune series should I stop at Chapterhouse or are their post Frank Herbert books worth reading?

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link

The consensus is that the post-FH books are pretty weak fanfic at best. Certainly when I picked one of them up in a bookstore I found the writing cringeworthy, and apparently the stories are not much chop ("you know how they ended up banning thinking machines? well here's a story where a thinking machine went bad and t was bad for humanity so they fought back and outlawed them").

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link

Ok so basically like ‘Solo’ then, got it, thanks.

I never got further than ‘Children’ and that was years ago. I wouldn’t mind revisiting them.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link

I think I have about 150 pages or so left to read in Chapterhouse Dune. I stopped reading it about 20 years ago, every once in a while I have the urge to go back and finish it. I still have the book on the bookshelf with the bookmark where I stopped.

silverfish, Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

(Kinda brilliant, really -- that was the only role I could guess would work for him and behold. Also enough of a blank slate character in the book that they can really go to town.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2019 23:11 (five years ago) link

And Stellan Skarsgard as Baron Harkonnen

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stellan-skarsg-play-villain-legendarys-dune-1174870

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link

This cast is getting more and more interesting by the day. Charlotte Rampling as Gaius Helen Mohiam.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/charlotte-rampling-joins-timothee-chalamet-dune-1176429

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link

I saw the Lynch version for the first time last year and was surprised to find that it was a faithful and fairly straight-ahead adaptation of the book, hampered by apparently not having shot enough scenes, or else having had the connective tissue edited out by the studio and replaced by voiceover in a panic

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link

anyway I'll watch this for Timothee

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link

Herbert’s characterization beyond Paul and Jessica is pretty light,- even everyone’s favorite character, Duncan Idaho is barely in the book, so there’s a lot that casting can bring to the table. I like it so far.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:36 (five years ago) link

somebody should write this up

stuck in the Lidl with EU (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:37 (five years ago) link

Shame he disappeared and never made any more movies

Brazil was a hell of a note to go out on, though.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 25 March 2024 17:49 (two weeks ago) link

i got time for parnassus actually

but he as a persona i could do without pretty much from day 1

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2024 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

it did and absolutely no one watched it. i have no idea if it's any good or not.

it was bad. but even if it had been good, it would have been redundant next to lost in la mancha anyway

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

to live and die in la mancha

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

parnassus was alright, I didn't like some of the CGI effects but I thought he worked around Ledger's death in an interesting way. Zero Theorem was dire. I never got around to watching Tideland which had awful reviews, but the one person I personally know who actually watched it really liked it.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:44 (two weeks ago) link

Btw I haven't seen new Dune and I'm not really dying to, and I don't always love Hans Zimmer scores, but I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast on the process. Seems fun to have an unlimited budget to hire musicians and engineers to create bespoke sample instruments for your every whim!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI28oowy4Dc

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:45 (two weeks ago) link

tideline execrable in more ways than i have ever found any piece of creative work and ill never watch a gilliam movie again as long as i live after it

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:56 (two weeks ago) link

xpost Relatedly, a pretty good promo VF bit from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLEVXJoetU

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:56 (two weeks ago) link

i am stoked for this to stream, so i can watch it again. i feel that i surely missed something. or i'm like, too dumb for its fine points.

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

The spice is oil

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:27 (two weeks ago) link

Coconut oil

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:43 (two weeks ago) link

cocaine oil

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:12 (two weeks ago) link

shai and muad’s trap hole

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:16 (two weeks ago) link

i am stoked for this to stream, so i can watch it again. i feel that i surely missed something. or i'm like, too dumb for its fine points.

Better than being too fine for its dumb points like some of the snobs ITT, amirite?

It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 04:31 (two weeks ago) link

lol thx. kind or mock-kind i can't say but still-- this seems like a lot of work for a heavily referential pile of-- not that much?-- that is like, very overly emphasized?

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 04:36 (two weeks ago) link

Mental oil

Nabozo, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 08:38 (two weeks ago) link

btw, I think I asked before, but how is this guy about to make such convincingly tactile and lived in looking FX when most movies can't come close?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 March 2024 01:08 (two weeks ago) link

I think because I've seen so many Marvel movies I kind of forgot that VFX can actually look good. It's crazy that so many other huge budget movies look so terrible when it's clearly possible to do it right.

silverfish, Thursday, 28 March 2024 13:23 (two weeks ago) link

doing it right:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJokEW5WAAAQDtb?format=jpg

(courtesy twitter's @drawbrandondraw aka bluesky's @drawbrandondraw.com )

mark s, Thursday, 28 March 2024 13:32 (two weeks ago) link

I suspect both Dune movies had longer post-production time than a typical Marvel movie these days, probably a big help re refined vfx. Maybe the realism of the actual muad'dib demonstrates this as well as anything.

It's not really dealing with many 'improbable' or 'magical' fx either though (Emperor's ship and the fire effect around it excepted) and nothing radical or OTT (apart from the infrared aspect Giedi Prime looks p boring). Most MCU films are trying to show actual 'magical' powers, 'aliens' and creatures etc. and with a kids appeal. Guardians 3 did all that pretty well.

nashwan, Thursday, 28 March 2024 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

Tideland which had awful reviews, but the one person I personally know who actually watched it really liked it.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, March 25, 2024 9:44 PM (six days ago)

Did it have awful reviews? I recall a bunch of people saying it was one of his best films (I think it is). I like Zero Theorem too

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2024 01:58 (one week ago) link

yeah, 31% positive on Rotten Tomato's critic tally

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 31 March 2024 02:02 (one week ago) link

I know it was hardly a hit but I recall people being enthusiastic about it, definitely worth trying if you like Gilliam, I've cooled on it a bit but I still think it's among his better films

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2024 02:23 (one week ago) link

The plot summary for Tideland makes it sound horrifying.

default damager (lukas), Sunday, 31 March 2024 03:51 (one week ago) link

There's horrible things but the naive viewpoints of the girl and young man take the edge off

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2024 04:56 (one week ago) link

nope

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 March 2024 09:55 (one week ago) link

gilliams lens makes it worse than the plot tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 March 2024 09:56 (one week ago) link

it was horrifying and i’ll never watch it again but it was an interesting contrast to pan’s labyrinth in that both dealt with children dealing with unimaginable horrors, but tideland really felt like it was _her_ story told by herself (i don’t know if it would be tolerable told in any other way) while labyrinth felt very much like an adult telling the story.

scanner darkly, Sunday, 31 March 2024 17:14 (one week ago) link

There's some fun in it too, I recall Jodelle Ferland being good in it (she will be 30 this year, how is that possible? I'm turning to corpsedust)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2024 20:54 (one week ago) link

Tideland is much older than I thought. Ferland has mostly been in horror films and television

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2024 21:00 (one week ago) link

Saw the first film for the first time yesterday, really liked it. It was all good and didn’t feel like it was as long as it was. Easily my favourite part was when the desert mouse is shown and our small tortoiseshell cat froze and stared at the screen and tried to get a better look. 10/10 motion capture, obviously.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:16 (one week ago) link

Rewatched it last night in anticipation of seeing the second part. I enjoyed it more, probably in part because I watched it on a TV with good sound as opposed to my iPad with headphones. It's visually stunning, and even if it's mostly vibes, well, so is the book (which I now need to read for the fifth (?) time).

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:21 (one week ago) link

i dont mean to gripe but if ever movies needed watching at the cinema its these

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:32 (one week ago) link

Thanks be to Odeon Luxe reclining seats in respect to that.

nashwan, Monday, 1 April 2024 15:42 (one week ago) link

i was hoping 1 would have gotten a general theatrical re-release but if it did I missed it. I would not mind wasting an entire day watching these back to back in a theater.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:53 (one week ago) link

otm. they did put part 1 back in theaters briefly, but at least in my area it was over & done with a week or two before part 2 came out, so there was no chance to double feature them, which was frustrating.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:03 (one week ago) link

I finally saw Dune part 1 on an airplane, surely not the ideal viewing configuration, but it exceeded my somewhat modest expectations. I loved the book as a young sci-fi fan, and enjoyed the Lynch film. This version is perhaps better. It does a good job of finding the core of the story and building suspense in the right places. The pacing seemed about right. It wasn't as ponderous as I had been led to believe.

o. nate, Monday, 1 April 2024 16:09 (one week ago) link

here was actually surprisingly little up-close spice-related action or even conversation

― mark s, Saturday, October 23, 2021 3:36 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

kind of weird to adapt dune and barely touch on melange

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:36 (one week ago) link

well there was a lot of different things mixed in there tbf

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:53 (one week ago) link

Melange definitely better than her sister Beyonce

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 23:42 (one week ago) link

^^^ music inspired by the book

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 11 April 2024 09:30 (two days ago) link

Saw the first film on Netflix a couple of days ago. Initial thought is this would've annoyed me if there was no sequel. It literally fucking stops.

Will watch the followup if it's still playing somewhere. Imagine waiting years for this. Not me mate

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 April 2024 11:47 (two days ago) link

The music was very funny when the subs were trying to convey..

Low tense music
Tense music
Dramatic music
Loud dramatic music
Yodelling

Now forget but I wanted to make a poll on these

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 April 2024 11:49 (two days ago) link

amazing issue to take with a movie that has sequels baked in but yeah ok

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 April 2024 12:07 (two days ago) link

👍

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 April 2024 12:52 (two days ago) link

The music in the first film is probably the closest I can think of to a film using the score as pure sound effects.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 11 April 2024 13:26 (two days ago) link

eraserhead is the original dune the movie

mark s, Thursday, 11 April 2024 13:28 (two days ago) link

what we need is prequels

“i don't like sand. it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere”

scanner darkly, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:28 (two days ago) link


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