2020 Democratic presidential primary

I think she's right, but I also remember how everyone fretted about Bernie going on Fox, and then when it was done, it was considered a major win for him, so who knows?

ultimately I think it was fine for Bernie to do it, but if you're not going to do it then the way Warren went about declining is absolutely the way to go, just go scorched-earth on those assholes.

I think she's right, but I also remember how everyone fretted about Bernie going on Fox, and then when it was done, it was considered a major win for him, so who knows?

that's the thing, though - the benefits of doing it are tangible and happen immediately, while the negatives are much harder to quantify and play out over long periods of time.

it was fun to see bernie do well and that the fox audience agreed with him (eg, support for medicare for all) over the protests of the moderator. and of course, his message reached some of the typical fox audience that night and maybe even changed the minds of some of them.

but it also strengthened the legitimacy of ...actually, i don't know why i'm trying to rephrase what warren already said in the message unperson posted above. those things are harder to measure

She is consistently blazingly right about everything.

And then there's Biden.

In New Hampshire, Joe Biden predicts that once President Trump is out of office, Republicans will have “an epiphany” and work with Democrats toward consensus.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) May 14, 2019

lol

it was all just a dream...

a foolproof strategy

it's safe to say he doesn't actually believe that, right? i mean he was there for 8 years of republican stonewalling. so is his hope that this kind of rhetoric will win over former trump voters?

I don't think it's safe to say that at all.

I think he talks like a dolt because he is one.

probably true

Didn't McConnell call Biden to reach a deal on a bill behind Harry Reid's back? That's probably the type of thing he wants

McConnell: "We got results that would not have been possible without a negotiating partner like Joe Biden. Obviously, I don't always agree with him, but I do trust him, implicitly. He doesn't break his word, he doesn't waste time telling me why I'm wrong.… There's a reason 'Get Joe on the phone' is shorthand for 'Time to get serious' in my office.”

See, that reminder of how often the GOP sassed Barack Obama to his face like that is why I don't miss three years ago.

I understand Warren's reasoning for not going on Fox, and each candidate has to play to their strengths and decide their own path but it still feels like something of a missed opportunity

the opportunity to brutally dunk on the #1 US cable news network in a manner that guarantees a disproportionate response and increased coverage from other, fairer outlets > the opportunity to be condescended to by that network's on-air personalities and have one's message ignored by its wet-brained, knuckle-walking viewers

There probably are GOP-ers who, in a post-Trump world, will be looking for some sort of Operation Paperclip-esque reentry into the civilized world which allows them to pooh-pooh their former hatemongering, but they'll probably be few and far between because I think they'll mostly still be sitting pretty in the mess they helped to create.

ultimately I think it was fine for Bernie to do it, but if you're not going to do it then the way Warren went about declining is absolutely the way to go, just go scorched-earth on those assholes.

how has no one on the thread mentioned the newly announced candidacy of Montana Gov. Steve Bullock???????

is his hope that this kind of rhetoric will win over former trump voters?

Why do people keep saying this? I guess as a side effect it's possible some low-information voters who chose Trump out of some vague sense Clinton was "dirty" might vote for Joe Biden. But Biden's message is aimed squarely at a totally different group -- old Democrats. He is one! That's his identity politics!

No matter who's running, old Democrats are a lot more likely to show up and vote than young Democrats. Now tactically I guess you have to ways to go from that uncontroversial fact: a) "older people are where the votes are so aim your message at them" or b) "older people are gonna show up and vote for us anyway, it's just what they do, so the margin is all in messages aimed at the young people."

yeah biden's p dumb but on this one thing he might be more otm than i'm usually willing to credit him.

not that the GOP will actually come to its senses once trump's out--that's preposterous. but i suspect this whole 'play nice and work together' bullshit polls pretty well with older democratic primary voters.

No matter who's running, old Democrats are a lot more likely to show up and vote than young Democrats.

Which will be explained/justified to a great extent by the selection of Joe Biden as the 2020 democratic nominee.

Being just as dumb as your base is a version of "otm" I'm unfamiliar with.

not much more reality-based than Yooknowwho

yeah not so much “otm” as surprisingly savvy. I’m the last to attribute either of these things to Biden the man, but if his campaign is centered on making aging Dems (who turn the fuck up for primaries) nostalgic for the relative comity they think they remember from the last half of the 20th Century, it could work out for him.

which would goddamn suck, obv

This made me laugh. (And if you don't hear it in DMX's voice by the time you get to "Felicia," I don't trust your opinions on culture.)

There was Brenda, LaTisha, Linda, Felicia, Dawn, LeShaun, Ines, and Alicia, Teresa, Monica, Sharron, Nicki
Lisa, Veronica, Karen, Vicky
Cookie, well, I met her in a ice cream parlor, Tonya, Diane, Lori, and Carla
Marina, Selena, Katrina, Sabrina
About three Kims, LaToya, and Tina https://t.co/vryJJVBTrY

— David Dennis Jr. (@DavidDTSS) May 14, 2019

Paul Heaton or GTFO

I thought it was Phiphe from Butter at first

same

Gravel teens 1, Delaney 0

Sen. Warren just finished batting around Joseph Otting, the comptroller of currency at Treasury, over policing Wells Fargo. She called his office a “low bar” for oversight.

OTTING: “I find it insulting that you would make that comment.”

WARREN: “Good.” pic.twitter.com/flzdrBa2t1

— Dan Zak (@MrDanZak) May 15, 2019

ok but this "let's green up the US military!" angle of hers fucking sucks and I'll let a HOOS take it from here on why

the short answer is that rather than retrofitting the single biggest polluter in the world we could reduce its footprint by, for example, closing some of our 800+ bases https://t.co/SBxaKU9NBg

— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) May 15, 2019

Did we cover yesterday’s big story?

More presidential candidates should have mustaches pic.twitter.com/xD9kFxFW7O

— the mustache thread guy (@dagotron) May 11, 2019

lol remember this guy

Beto is livestreaming his haircut pic.twitter.com/xAuBtC7BWe

— Joe Perticone (@JoePerticone) May 15, 2019

Next up, live-streaming his hit on Buttigieg for stealing Beto’s thunder.

Never noticed the faint resemblance to Rick Perry before.

Uh-oh, De Blasio!

lol please

At this rate they might as well make the race opt-out.

Some of these guys are doing that thing where they get so overwhelmed with their current projects, deadlines at work that instead of figuring it out they just look for another job.

afaik Bill dB ain't done much, but I'll give him this:

The police unions hate him.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwngb3/area-man-regrets-helping-turn-joe-biden-into-a-meme

Hi, Joe Biden campaigned for anti-abortion Republican Fred Upton in Michigan last year and got paid $200,000 to do it.

Upton won.https://t.co/myyFPZx50L

— Steph Is Not Having This Nonsense🌹 (@RantsByDesign) May 16, 2019

And looking forward to digging into this later

Even if you don't support a candidate (or maybe especially if you don't support them) you should make an effort to understand their appeal. No one has explained the appeal of Joe Biden better than @blauwsteen in this splendid piece. https://t.co/SGzEZCb6p0

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) May 17, 2019

I don’t need to read an article to understand the appeal of Joe Biden. I understand it here. Right here. *taps the heart area*

I don’t need to read an article to understand the appeal of Joe Biden. I understand it here. Right here. *strokes the hair area*

that was a good read.

It really is.

Does anyone really need an explainer on the appeal of Obama’s VP who’s also an old white centrist who talks about bipartisanship?