it's usually no more than "you're making me feel bad. I don't like people who made me feel bad"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:19 (six years ago) link
is there any reason to think conservatives are not disposed to worry about complicity arguments
― j., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/iat-behavior-problem.html
singal doing his i-just-have-some-questions schtick
― j., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 06:03 (six years ago) link
Thought this was a good interview: http://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2017/11/racial-justice-doesnt-trickle-down.html
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
I will listen to that but the "class only" strawman from the description really bugs me. Who's seriously advancing that?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
I think there are some problems w this but the overall gist gets at some aspects of the conversation that has confused old people
https://t.co/CHXmHsmLQG?amp=1
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
x-post: Lol, sorry, but that's perfect for the 'Posts perfectly in character' thread.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
fair
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
Something I'm struggling with in the discourse advanced/described in the Tablet piece (and that I've seen replicated on social media in slightly more extreme forms on the strongly identitarian wings of the left) is, what takes the place of whiteness-as-identity? If whiteness is inherently supremacist, and therefore an identity and oppressive superstructure to be scrapped in history's dustbin (an argument I am totally fine with in and of itself), I would think that risks once again reverting to white people not "seeing" race when they look at themselves, reverting to the nullity that white supremacy encourages, a sort of "otherness" beyond race. Yet I also see people frequently dismissing the idea of "reforming" or "redefining" white identity. So I guess what I'm wondering is, and what I can't seem to piece together from the existing discourse, is what is the non-oppressive way for white people to conceive of themselves?
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
history's greatest monsters
― j., Thursday, 7 December 2017 06:02 (six years ago) link
If whiteness is inherently supremacist, and therefore an identity and oppressive superstructure to be scrapped in history's dustbin (an argument I am totally fine with in and of itself)
lol you are the phoniest motherfucker on this board
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 7 December 2017 06:23 (six years ago) link
I'd assume that if whiteness as an identity is to be abolished, so is race as an identity altogether? Non-white identities having been thrust on ppl by white supremacy.
I say this a lot in these kinds of threads but it feels cart-before-the-horses.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 7 December 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
tell me how you really feel sb
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link
Handy how sleepingbag's screen name abbreviates to suggest ban.
― Akdov Telmig (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
I mean that’s just a long smarty pants way of saying what DJP, Nhex, NV, OL and Neanderthal all expressed or alluded to above, reallyBut you know what’s really long winded and smarty pants is that Tablet piece. Jesus Christ:
This intricate system of racial casuistry, worthy of Jesuits, is a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique and optimized for virality.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
You can tell that that piece is different from all the optimized casuistry because it's so badly written
― Frederik B, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
It starts out okay and then gets worse as it goes on. “I had an outline and a deadline and it was one or the other”
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:36 (six years ago) link
after i posted that, it occurred to me that the right-wing attitude toward federal tax dollars for abortions is worried about complicity. so they understand the principle!
― j., Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
That’s really not at all the emotion behind that though. It’s about control over other people’s options.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
A story my wife told on Facebook yesterday:
Overheard in my doctor’s waiting room:Scene: Two older folks (a man and a woman), obviously related, are sharing pics from a recent family event that the man missed due to illness.W: Oh, and here’s my nephew’s girlfriend. Well, fiancée, now, since he proposed that day.M: She’s black?!W (really agitated, all of a sudden): She’s not black!M (giggling a bit): Of course she’s black. Do you not have eyes?W (still agitated): Well, no one said she was black.M: What?W (now growling): If she was black, someone would have said so. And, pipe down, people are going to think you’re prejudiced.M: Not me. I’m just noting that she’s black. She’s gorgeous. You’re the one who’s upset about it.W: *silence*M: Ha! Welcome to the family, gorgeous!W: *leaves the waiting room*#guesswhoscomingtodinneryall
W: Oh, and here’s my nephew’s girlfriend. Well, fiancée, now, since he proposed that day.M: She’s black?!W (really agitated, all of a sudden): She’s not black!M (giggling a bit): Of course she’s black. Do you not have eyes?W (still agitated): Well, no one said she was black.M: What?W (now growling): If she was black, someone would have said so. And, pipe down, people are going to think you’re prejudiced.M: Not me. I’m just noting that she’s black. She’s gorgeous. You’re the one who’s upset about it.W: *silence*M: Ha! Welcome to the family, gorgeous!W: *leaves the waiting room*#guesswhoscomingtodinneryall
UPDATE: They just left the office (I was hella early for this appointment). The guy walked right over to me, patted me on the knee (boundaries much?), and said “You are the most gorgeous thing in this whole place!” I think I love him. She huffed and sped up to leave the office.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
My wife was the only black person in the room when this conversation happened and everyone else studiously avoided eye contact with her in its aftermath, like they had something to be embarrassed about or something.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
"if she was black, someone would have said so" is I don't even know what
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
Competing Beyonce/Fu-Schnickens "Ring The Alarm" signals going up in that household
ATTN ATTN THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS, I REPEAT THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
This intricate system of racial casuistry, worthy of Jesuits, is a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique and optimized for virality.― El Tomboto, Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:18 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah this is he main quote where it loses me For most of it though I thought it was a pretty good summation from a distance of what happened within the left over the past few years and explains why so many ostensibly liberal ppl I went to school with are suddenly so concerned with political correctness gone mad
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Competing Beyonce/Fu-Schnickens "Ring The Alarm" signals going up in that householdATTN ATTN THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS, I REPEAT THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:01 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:01 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*extremely nasal white person voice* Actually, it's a Tenor Saw sample
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
lol
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
the SC cop who murdered Walter Scott just got 20 years. bracing for inevitable Trump tweet on this news that brings up Katie Steinle.
― evol j, Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
i am picturing the man and woman in mrs djp's story as the queen and prince philip
― straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
Definitely works, I can imagine Phil's eyes lighting up whenever Meghan walks in the room.
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
well that's some imagery
― pplains, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
How to lose an election: https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Goodness me
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I mentioned that on rolling US politics at some point, It's, uh, very bad
― Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
when keeping it allied goes wrong
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
God it’s so damn pandering. Is the Democratic Party capable of engaging evenly with its constituency, or is its entire Southern strategy still based on a presupposition of racial deficits?
― rb (soda), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
this is like the horrific opposite of Matthew McConaughey's "now imagine that girl was white!" climax from A Time to Kill
― Nhex, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Beyond being awful on every conceivable level, the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach would never vote for a black candidate in the first place.
― Smoothie Newton (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach
It's targeted at black voters according to that article
― President Keyes, Friday, 8 December 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
what an asshole is how i break it down to some extent
― best display name of 2017 (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
It appears the choice in Alabama is between a well-meaning racist and a virulent capital-R Racist who likes young girls.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
negative politics is a bad idea. using voters as props is a bad idea. using this stereotype in particular was a bad idea. this is what they used to justify lynchings.
Democrats are fond of negative politics, i think that's a dangerous thing to combine with identity politics, because they are complicit in the system too and fond of forgetting as much because of all the finger pointing. reflexively they will use a stereotype to make a point. it is far more productive to not lower oneself to such tactics. what good have you done, what good will you try to do as a candidate?
hey the good guy locked away KKK members that bombed a church. wouldn't that make for an interesting flyer? and it's true! and it's about the candidate you are voting for! wouldn't that be a good thing to publicize instead to show that you are on the side of social justice? with negative politicking you trip on your own dick.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
it's almost like they don't have a compelling, positive, consistent vision of their own to offer
― Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
fuck this shitty world
Say increasing diversity makes country betterUS 58%Sweden 36%UK 33%Spain 31%France 26%Germany 26%Greece 10%https://t.co/a2cWnURrvU pic.twitter.com/RTV7Oeq7NA— Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) December 8, 2017
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 December 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
https://www.theroot.com/felony-charges-against-deandre-harris-dropped-in-charlo-1821138524?utm_source=theroot_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
― j., Saturday, 9 December 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/12/13/there-was-an-enormous-gap-between-black-evangelical-voters-and-white-evangelical-voters-in-alabama/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.44b35c21178f
Here we have WashPo bending over backwards to write a story about the difference between white evangelicals and black evangelicals in Alabama that doesn't end with "white evangelicals in Alabama are racists"
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
that would be divisive
― all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
all articles about white evangelicals should include some variation on "white evangelicals are racist" and/or "white evangelicals are the most unabashedly evil motherfuckers on the planet"
― crüt, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
good article, tho yeah conclusion just begging to be pointed out
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Signal boost to this excellent extended audio interview with Karen & Barbara Fields, authors of _Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life_
The new @thedigradio is lengthy interview revisiting the seminal essay collection Racecraft—talking Coates, Dolezal, BLM, and why we must believe that racism & the economic exploitation that it protects can be defeated—w its authors Barbara & Karen Fields. https://t.co/EF9n5szkMd— Daniel Denvir (@DanielDenvir) December 13, 2017
(Also their book is currently onsale at Verso, and you really should check it out as the ebook is only five bucks American)
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link