Rolling 2017 Thread on Race

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a new year, a new thread.

j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:34 (one year ago) Permalink

Leadership, however, would like it removed through an official process: Longtime police chief David Reichert (R-Wash.) wrote a letter to the Architect of the Capitol arguing that the painting does not comply with the rules of the U.S. Congressional Art Competition and should be removed. Those rules point to House policies that prohibit “exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature.”

“While it is not the intent to censor any artwork, we do wish to avoid artwork that is potentially inappropriate for display in this highly traveled area leading to the Capitol,” the rules state.

j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:37 (one year ago) Permalink

I fear it will be a very active thread. But I hope not.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:38 (one year ago) Permalink

intriguing: one of the judges (Pryor) has met with Trump, is a presumed Supreme Court short-lister.

A three-judge federal court panel has blocked Alabama from using in next year's elections 12 legislative districts challenged as unconstitutional by black political groups.

The districts are part of the district map drawn and approved by the Republican-led Alabama Legislature after the 2010 Census and were used in the 2014 election.

The judges ruled for the plaintiffs on 12 of the 36 districts in dispute and enjoined the state from using those district lines again.

The court ruled in favor of the state on the other 24 districts that were challenged.

All 140 seats in the Alabama Legislature will be up for election next year.

One of the three judges, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, issued a separate order dissenting, in part, from the other two judges, Circuit Judge Bill Pryor and Chief District Judge Keith Watkins.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 January 2017 01:32 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

For all of this, dismissing Khan as a crank would be a mistake. While his associations are extremist, his science is not, and very little of what he writes about human genetics falls outside the pale of ordinary scientific discourse. Khan is also not alone in bridging the worlds of scientific racism and mainstream science and science writing. The Times dropped Khan in 2015, less than a year after one of its own science journalists, Nicholas Wade, published a book that made more sustained, incendiary arguments about race, with far more blowback from scientists.

Still, Khan’s career exemplifies the sometimes-murky line between mainstream science and scientific racism, and it illustrates how difficult it can be to define the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable speech about race — and to understand what, if anything, science has to do with it.

This issue isn’t going away. Researchers are getting better at quantifying minute differences among individuals and among groups, and their findings will almost certainly be used, as they have long been, by people willing to ascribe a sort of racial destiny to all manner of human virtues and faults. Most scientists will object to this application of their work, but the illiberal challenges to scientific scholarship, perhaps now more than ever, seem destined to come not just from creationists and neo-skinheads, but from self-styled hyper-rationalists, too — from people who adhere to what they consider a “science-first” worldview, who often ignore history and social context, and who are predisposed to drawing troubling, and sometimes patently racist conclusions based on otherwise dispassionate science.

In other words, they’ll come from people who sound a lot like Razib Khan.

just started this

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Dolezal's latest move not getting the love it deserves. We are literally two press cycles away from her rap album if we play our cards right

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:32 (one year ago) Permalink

she's a ridiculous person but I feel sort of bad for her tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:35 (one year ago) Permalink


k3vin k., Friday, 3 March 2017 23:46 (one year ago) Permalink


In the two and a half years since Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., the explosive case has been parsed in intricate detail. Witnesses offered varying descriptions of the fatal encounter. Investigators examined bloodstain evidence on the street where Mr. Brown died. And the police released a security video from a nearby store that showed Mr. Brown pushing a worker and taking cigarillos minutes before the shooting.

But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.

The footage shows Mr. Brown entering the store, Ferguson Market and Liquor, shortly after 1 a.m. on the day he died. He approaches the counter, hands over an item that appears to be a small bag and takes a shopping sack filled with cigarillos. Mr. Brown is shown walking toward the door with the sack, then turning around and handing the cigarillos back across the counter before exiting.

Jason Pollock, a documentary filmmaker who acquired the new tape, says the footage challenges the police narrative that Mr. Brown committed a strong-armed robbery when he returned to the store around noon that day. Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.

Karl Malone, Monday, 13 March 2017 03:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Thought this was interesting:

I grew up on all-white catalogs. When I look at photos of my daughter's class, or candid shots from the birthday parties for her and her friends, I think "lol Benetton" because some part of me knows this is exceptional and old ad campaigns are my reference.

Do other folks look at all-white catalog spreads or stock photos and think "oh goodness, what a sad throwback?" I know the answer, I guess. They want to be in that catalog, when Reagan was king, or whatever.

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 March 2017 19:36 (one year ago) Permalink

It's weird because many of those remind me of stock photos you'd see in hippie health food stores from the 70s/80s.

pplains, Monday, 13 March 2017 21:04 (one year ago) Permalink

im dead

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:02 (one year ago) Permalink

That seems a little strange.

pandemic, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:11 (one year ago) Permalink

i always thought he was talking about the color

Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:35 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This piece is massively undercut by the author's need to tell jokes and I don't think she supports her thesis well but I can't deny that I have been looking askance at SURJ since I first heard about it. It's interesting to see UU churches mentioned as part of the lineage of problematic allies she's identifying because my wife and I sing at a UU church and my wife, after becoming a member, was recruited heavily to serve on the vestry committee and to help them define the focus of the church's social justice mission. The lead pastor is a white woman who was a former lawyer before seminary who is adamant about both bringing in more young people and more diversity to the church. There have been some bumps along the way but the group as a whole is definitely committed to doing The Right Thing in The Right Way;

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:05 (one year ago) Permalink

lol I guess I didn't finish that thought:

I would like to watch a conversation between this woman and my wife in the context of what our church is trying to do.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

gg Nivea:

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

who in the HELL could have possibly greenlit that?

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm gonna go with "someone who most would consider white and/or is not a native English speaker"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Could quite easily be a Middle East marketing team not thinking through the racial aspect, tbh.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

I wrote a thing yesterday and then got called away to do work at my work and when I came back it had logged me out and I lost it.

I also would love to see more discussion of white allies' role(s) and maybe working towards some best practices pointers. I really don't think that people of color who are giving their time and energy to do social justice work & anti-racism organizing want to spend their time holding white people's hands and listening to us blunder through entry-level lessons we need to learn. I do think that some kind of white ally-supported effort is healthy and good and keeps the workload off of Black leadership. The *accountability* to Black leadership is the crucial thing, I think.

I have also seen where a person of color presents themselves as a leader and can convince the SURJ or other white allies to gather around them, but they themselves might not be accountable to any other POC in the movement, and their politics or message or personal priorities may be a problem. In that case it's a delicate negotiation for everyone, and it can pull apart a new or developing group, or make it hard for other partners to see them in a positive way.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

To add: I saw that happen precisely once. It did put me off joining that group though.

I'm in a small group of white ppl that belong to a community organization near my home that is Black-led. We're working on ways to support the org and train prospective white members to understand that we put ourselves under Black leadership and what an intersectional and anti-gentrification approach looks like in social justice circles. It's a long and slow conversation.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

speaking of SURJ:

Whites Only: SURJ and the Caucasian Invasion of Racial Justice Spaces

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Apparently the author of that article is based in Boston so I could totally get that conversation to happen. Hmm...

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:03 (one year ago) Permalink

okay I just clicked on Karl's link and lol

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:05 (one year ago) Permalink

How do we even fight these subtle, insidious forms of racism that it's hard to even know about?

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:25 (one year ago) Permalink

My wife gets slammed by that car insurance thing. Of course, it doesn't help that we live in NJ, one of the most expensive states for car insurance, period.

Why is Montana so expensive? Insurance against having your car rammed by a buffalo?

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:45 (one year ago) Permalink

no speed limits in Montana?

example (crüt), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:47 (one year ago) Permalink

The whole Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad debacle continues to be hilarious.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink

on the good side, i'd never seen that Chemical Brothers video before and it rules in so many ways

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 April 2017 18:17 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think this belongs on the Trump / politics threads

The reactions have not all been supportive. The mayor said that the Beristains’ eighth- and ninth-grade daughters were on “the receiving end of some ugliness at their school.” He added that there had been some negative responses from people online, who have said that Mr. Beristain does not have an excuse because he had years to try and become a citizen.

Live up to your end of my fucking oath just once in a blood moon you dumb, depressing fucks.

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Saturday, 8 April 2017 02:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I grew up near here (and my dad continues to live nearby) and can't recall there ever being a protest there about anything, much less something like BLM:

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

that article is deeply uninformed at best

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 18:21 (one year ago) Permalink

things like surj are sort of a direct result of years of arguments exactly like those the article makes, and people trying to conduct themselves according to those arguments. i think the fact that doing that leads to exactly the same criticisms (which even if they don't hang together stem for geniune anxieties and concerns about broader society and the possibilities for leadership and change) points to a sort of no-win situation for that standpoint, and generally the idea that who groups are "accountable" to is a distinct and important question as opposed to "what do they directly do, and what purpose does it serve".

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:33 (one year ago) Permalink

White Floriday state senator, in talking to two black Florida state senators, refers to six other white Florida senators as "niggers", claims it's okay because he meant "niggas" which is a completely different word:

my primary reaction to this is "lol"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:40 (one year ago) Permalink

in conclusion: hip-hop is dangerous in the wrong hands

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

the wite hands

bought 2 raris, went to chili's (crüt), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:02 (one year ago) Permalink


Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:03 (one year ago) Permalink

"No, see, when I say it, I use a non-rhotic pronunciation. That means I'm just kidding around!"

pplains, Thursday, 20 April 2017 02:19 (one year ago) Permalink

"My racism was taken out of context"

Neanderthal, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

this is a Chappelle's Show skit

— Vann R. Newkirk II (@fivefifths) May 10, 2017

, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

ha I was just about to post this

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 11 May 2017 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink


Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

the SC cop who murdered Walter Scott just got 20 years. bracing for inevitable Trump tweet on this news that brings up Katie Steinle.

evol j, Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

i am picturing the man and woman in mrs djp's story as the queen and prince philip

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

Definitely works, I can imagine Phil's eyes lighting up whenever Meghan walks in the room.

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

well that's some imagery

pplains, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

Goodness me

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

I mentioned that on rolling US politics at some point, It's, uh, very bad

Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

when keeping it allied goes wrong

k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

God it’s so damn pandering. Is the Democratic Party capable of engaging evenly with its constituency, or is its entire Southern strategy still based on a presupposition of racial deficits?

rb (soda), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

this is like the horrific opposite of Matthew McConaughey's "now imagine that girl was white!" climax from A Time to Kill

Nhex, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Beyond being awful on every conceivable level, the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach would never vote for a black candidate in the first place.

Smoothie Newton (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach

It's targeted at black voters according to that article

President Keyes, Friday, 8 December 2017 17:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

what an asshole is how i break it down to some extent

best display name of 2017 (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

It appears the choice in Alabama is between a well-meaning racist and a virulent capital-R Racist who likes young girls.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

negative politics is a bad idea. using voters as props is a bad idea. using this stereotype in particular was a bad idea. this is what they used to justify lynchings.

Democrats are fond of negative politics, i think that's a dangerous thing to combine with identity politics, because they are complicit in the system too and fond of forgetting as much because of all the finger pointing. reflexively they will use a stereotype to make a point. it is far more productive to not lower oneself to such tactics. what good have you done, what good will you try to do as a candidate?

hey the good guy locked away KKK members that bombed a church. wouldn't that make for an interesting flyer? and it's true! and it's about the candidate you are voting for! wouldn't that be a good thing to publicize instead to show that you are on the side of social justice? with negative politicking you trip on your own dick.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

it's almost like they don't have a compelling, positive, consistent vision of their own to offer

Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 17:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

fuck this shitty world

Say increasing diversity makes country better
US 58%
Sweden 36%
UK 33%
Spain 31%
France 26%
Germany 26%
Greece 10%

— Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) December 8, 2017

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 December 2017 20:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

Here we have WashPo bending over backwards to write a story about the difference between white evangelicals and black evangelicals in Alabama that doesn't end with "white evangelicals in Alabama are racists"

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

that would be divisive

all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

all articles about white evangelicals should include some variation on "white evangelicals are racist" and/or "white evangelicals are the most unabashedly evil motherfuckers on the planet"

crüt, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

good article, tho yeah conclusion just begging to be pointed out

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

Signal boost to this excellent extended audio interview with Karen & Barbara Fields, authors of _Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life_

The new @thedigradio is lengthy interview revisiting the seminal essay collection Racecraft—talking Coates, Dolezal, BLM, and why we must believe that racism & the economic exploitation that it protects can be defeated—w its authors Barbara & Karen Fields.

— Daniel Denvir (@DanielDenvir) December 13, 2017

(Also their book is currently onsale at Verso, and you really should check it out as the ebook is only five bucks American)

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

the guy who drove into the crowd was charged with first-degree murder

j., Friday, 15 December 2017 06:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

In Lebanon, Tenn., when a mayor visited her cell and referred to her as "Mary," Hamilton corrected him. It was Miss Hamilton. Hamilton and Michaels recalled the moment in their oral history: "And if you don't know how to speak to a lady," Hamilton told the mayor, "then get out of my cell."

At the time, throughout the '60s, many white people — particularly in positions of authority — refused to use honorifics like "Miss," "Mrs." or "Mr." to refer to black people.

j., Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:25 (ten months ago) Permalink


j., Friday, 22 December 2017 01:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

what do people think of this (kinda old) article?

i was reminded of it because NYT had a similar story today

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 23:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

I didn’t read the NYT article but I was in favor of the message behind the Teen Vogue article.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

teen vogue article expressed something that had bothered me but i was unable to put into words why for years yeah

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

I am very very far from being anyone with standing to talk about this, but I did find it odd that the article talked almost exclusively about the colour aspect and barely at all about the queerness.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 12:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

This article is interesting, especially the guy who argues that the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 17:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

that's an argument more or less every prominent radical black intellectual has made at one point or another. not sure that I really buy it in 2017 -- the terms of the debate are just not as they were in decades past. not to mention passing gun laws is going to get harder and harder, thanks to our judiciary and supreme court

good piece of journalism, thanks for sharing. I personally do not accept that there is a legitimate reason to own a gun. I'm white btw

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

There are definitely legit reasons to own a gun, and I fully support black gun ownership even as an organized political platform. Personally, I have no interest in owning a gun, but my long term plan is to move out of the US, so.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:26 (nine months ago) Permalink

the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.

do you mean, buying legal guns that can be easily traced if one were used to in a crime?

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

*used in a crime

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

and whether or not the registered owner of said gun had any knowledge or responsibility of the crime, the racist criminal justice system could fuck up their lives?

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of black people started open carrying at Target

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

there was a shooting a couple weeks ago in the parking lot of the Target near me. Pretty sure both perp and victim were black.

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

I understand why some people may feel that it is in their best interest to own a gun, particularly recently. it is an irrational belief held by people of all races.

a handful of people interviewed for that article wrestled with that issue, the idea that even though they realized having a gun made them no safer, or even less safe, they felt compelled to own one anyway. it's not my place to judge that individual decision. I'm glad it's not something I have to personally consider

some of them were just run of the mill gun nuts, which in a way was refreshing to read

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

you could own one and keep it locked in a secure gun safe forever with the expensive silverware and china you inherited when grandma died -- I don't know if that would really do anything as far as safety/increased risk of accidental death ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

i think you could find a lot of examples alongside gun ownership where people are rationally aware that the thing they are doing does not protect them but they do it anyway, culture is way deeper than rationality

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:35 (nine months ago) Permalink


k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

found this to be a very interesting read

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

Not that it makes it any less a tragedy, but that seems to be from last year, when The Root was still The Root.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

oh, sorry. someone was tweeting it out as new.

j., Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

1. First, download and install VRChat on Steam. The game is entirely free-to-play and doesn't actually require a VR headset like its name implies. Oh, and prepare to lose dozens of hours of your life.

2. While installing, begin working on your Ugandan accent. This will come in handy later, as hinted in the video below.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm not going to say that I didn't find the early ones kind of funny, or that I don't understand how human nature automatically responds to a phenomenon like VRChat with exactly this kind of role playing, and that if you watch the evolution of the meme on the youtube compilations in chronological order from last december, you can see how it starts off as affectionate surrealism -- ignorant, but more WTF than hateful (the one where someone shows up as Ugandan Knuckles driving a minature tank whie screaming in Russian while the volga boatmen theme plays is amazing) -- then of course it hits meme supernova and the hordes show up. It reminds of me the scene in Bamboozled at the Mantan premiere where the act is so over the top racist that the white audience is stunned speechless, leaving them desperately looking around for cues as to how they're supposed to respond, until Mantan finally lands a genuinely funny joke and gets a mild supportive laugh from the black audience, at which point it becomes 'ok' for everyone to laugh, and then the tone of the laughter changes

Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

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