Rolling 2017 Thread on Race

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j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

Leadership, however, would like it removed through an official process: Longtime police chief David Reichert (R-Wash.) wrote a letter to the Architect of the Capitol arguing that the painting does not comply with the rules of the U.S. Congressional Art Competition and should be removed. Those rules point to House policies that prohibit “exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature.”

“While it is not the intent to censor any artwork, we do wish to avoid artwork that is potentially inappropriate for display in this highly traveled area leading to the Capitol,” the rules state.

j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:37 (ten months ago) Permalink

I fear it will be a very active thread. But I hope not.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

intriguing: one of the judges (Pryor) has met with Trump, is a presumed Supreme Court short-lister.

A three-judge federal court panel has blocked Alabama from using in next year's elections 12 legislative districts challenged as unconstitutional by black political groups.

The districts are part of the district map drawn and approved by the Republican-led Alabama Legislature after the 2010 Census and were used in the 2014 election.

The judges ruled for the plaintiffs on 12 of the 36 districts in dispute and enjoined the state from using those district lines again.

The court ruled in favor of the state on the other 24 districts that were challenged.

All 140 seats in the Alabama Legislature will be up for election next year.

One of the three judges, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, issued a separate order dissenting, in part, from the other two judges, Circuit Judge Bill Pryor and Chief District Judge Keith Watkins.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 January 2017 01:32 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

For all of this, dismissing Khan as a crank would be a mistake. While his associations are extremist, his science is not, and very little of what he writes about human genetics falls outside the pale of ordinary scientific discourse. Khan is also not alone in bridging the worlds of scientific racism and mainstream science and science writing. The Times dropped Khan in 2015, less than a year after one of its own science journalists, Nicholas Wade, published a book that made more sustained, incendiary arguments about race, with far more blowback from scientists.

Still, Khan’s career exemplifies the sometimes-murky line between mainstream science and scientific racism, and it illustrates how difficult it can be to define the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable speech about race — and to understand what, if anything, science has to do with it.

This issue isn’t going away. Researchers are getting better at quantifying minute differences among individuals and among groups, and their findings will almost certainly be used, as they have long been, by people willing to ascribe a sort of racial destiny to all manner of human virtues and faults. Most scientists will object to this application of their work, but the illiberal challenges to scientific scholarship, perhaps now more than ever, seem destined to come not just from creationists and neo-skinheads, but from self-styled hyper-rationalists, too — from people who adhere to what they consider a “science-first” worldview, who often ignore history and social context, and who are predisposed to drawing troubling, and sometimes patently racist conclusions based on otherwise dispassionate science.

In other words, they’ll come from people who sound a lot like Razib Khan.

just started this

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I can't believe this is still going on

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 3 March 2017 14:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dolezal's latest move not getting the love it deserves. We are literally two press cycles away from her rap album if we play our cards right

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

she's a ridiculous person but I feel sort of bad for her tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:35 (eight months ago) Permalink


k3vin k., Friday, 3 March 2017 23:46 (eight months ago) Permalink


In the two and a half years since Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., the explosive case has been parsed in intricate detail. Witnesses offered varying descriptions of the fatal encounter. Investigators examined bloodstain evidence on the street where Mr. Brown died. And the police released a security video from a nearby store that showed Mr. Brown pushing a worker and taking cigarillos minutes before the shooting.

But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.

The footage shows Mr. Brown entering the store, Ferguson Market and Liquor, shortly after 1 a.m. on the day he died. He approaches the counter, hands over an item that appears to be a small bag and takes a shopping sack filled with cigarillos. Mr. Brown is shown walking toward the door with the sack, then turning around and handing the cigarillos back across the counter before exiting.

Jason Pollock, a documentary filmmaker who acquired the new tape, says the footage challenges the police narrative that Mr. Brown committed a strong-armed robbery when he returned to the store around noon that day. Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.

Karl Malone, Monday, 13 March 2017 03:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thought this was interesting:

I grew up on all-white catalogs. When I look at photos of my daughter's class, or candid shots from the birthday parties for her and her friends, I think "lol Benetton" because some part of me knows this is exceptional and old ad campaigns are my reference.

Do other folks look at all-white catalog spreads or stock photos and think "oh goodness, what a sad throwback?" I know the answer, I guess. They want to be in that catalog, when Reagan was king, or whatever.

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 March 2017 19:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's weird because many of those remind me of stock photos you'd see in hippie health food stores from the 70s/80s.

pplains, Monday, 13 March 2017 21:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

im dead

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

That seems a little strange.

pandemic, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

i always thought he was talking about the color

Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This piece is massively undercut by the author's need to tell jokes and I don't think she supports her thesis well but I can't deny that I have been looking askance at SURJ since I first heard about it. It's interesting to see UU churches mentioned as part of the lineage of problematic allies she's identifying because my wife and I sing at a UU church and my wife, after becoming a member, was recruited heavily to serve on the vestry committee and to help them define the focus of the church's social justice mission. The lead pastor is a white woman who was a former lawyer before seminary who is adamant about both bringing in more young people and more diversity to the church. There have been some bumps along the way but the group as a whole is definitely committed to doing The Right Thing in The Right Way;

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol I guess I didn't finish that thought:

I would like to watch a conversation between this woman and my wife in the context of what our church is trying to do.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

gg Nivea:

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

who in the HELL could have possibly greenlit that?

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm gonna go with "someone who most would consider white and/or is not a native English speaker"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

Could quite easily be a Middle East marketing team not thinking through the racial aspect, tbh.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

I wrote a thing yesterday and then got called away to do work at my work and when I came back it had logged me out and I lost it.

I also would love to see more discussion of white allies' role(s) and maybe working towards some best practices pointers. I really don't think that people of color who are giving their time and energy to do social justice work & anti-racism organizing want to spend their time holding white people's hands and listening to us blunder through entry-level lessons we need to learn. I do think that some kind of white ally-supported effort is healthy and good and keeps the workload off of Black leadership. The *accountability* to Black leadership is the crucial thing, I think.

I have also seen where a person of color presents themselves as a leader and can convince the SURJ or other white allies to gather around them, but they themselves might not be accountable to any other POC in the movement, and their politics or message or personal priorities may be a problem. In that case it's a delicate negotiation for everyone, and it can pull apart a new or developing group, or make it hard for other partners to see them in a positive way.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

To add: I saw that happen precisely once. It did put me off joining that group though.

I'm in a small group of white ppl that belong to a community organization near my home that is Black-led. We're working on ways to support the org and train prospective white members to understand that we put ourselves under Black leadership and what an intersectional and anti-gentrification approach looks like in social justice circles. It's a long and slow conversation.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

speaking of SURJ:

Whites Only: SURJ and the Caucasian Invasion of Racial Justice Spaces

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Apparently the author of that article is based in Boston so I could totally get that conversation to happen. Hmm...

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

okay I just clicked on Karl's link and lol

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

How do we even fight these subtle, insidious forms of racism that it's hard to even know about?

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

My wife gets slammed by that car insurance thing. Of course, it doesn't help that we live in NJ, one of the most expensive states for car insurance, period.

Why is Montana so expensive? Insurance against having your car rammed by a buffalo?

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

no speed limits in Montana?

example (crüt), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

The whole Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad debacle continues to be hilarious.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

on the good side, i'd never seen that Chemical Brothers video before and it rules in so many ways

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 April 2017 18:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

I don't think this belongs on the Trump / politics threads

The reactions have not all been supportive. The mayor said that the Beristains’ eighth- and ninth-grade daughters were on “the receiving end of some ugliness at their school.” He added that there had been some negative responses from people online, who have said that Mr. Beristain does not have an excuse because he had years to try and become a citizen.

Live up to your end of my fucking oath just once in a blood moon you dumb, depressing fucks.

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Saturday, 8 April 2017 02:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

I grew up near here (and my dad continues to live nearby) and can't recall there ever being a protest there about anything, much less something like BLM:

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

that article is deeply uninformed at best

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 18:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

things like surj are sort of a direct result of years of arguments exactly like those the article makes, and people trying to conduct themselves according to those arguments. i think the fact that doing that leads to exactly the same criticisms (which even if they don't hang together stem for geniune anxieties and concerns about broader society and the possibilities for leadership and change) points to a sort of no-win situation for that standpoint, and generally the idea that who groups are "accountable" to is a distinct and important question as opposed to "what do they directly do, and what purpose does it serve".

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

White Floriday state senator, in talking to two black Florida state senators, refers to six other white Florida senators as "niggers", claims it's okay because he meant "niggas" which is a completely different word:

my primary reaction to this is "lol"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:40 (six months ago) Permalink

in conclusion: hip-hop is dangerous in the wrong hands

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:41 (six months ago) Permalink

the wite hands

bought 2 raris, went to chili's (crüt), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:02 (six months ago) Permalink


Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:03 (six months ago) Permalink

"No, see, when I say it, I use a non-rhotic pronunciation. That means I'm just kidding around!"

pplains, Thursday, 20 April 2017 02:19 (six months ago) Permalink

"My racism was taken out of context"

Neanderthal, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:03 (six months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

this is a Chappelle's Show skit

— Vann R. Newkirk II (@fivefifths) May 10, 2017

, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:31 (six months ago) Permalink

ha I was just about to post this

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 11 May 2017 15:54 (six months ago) Permalink

George Wallace‏

BREAKING: New England patriots win, 40,000 to 133. #Boston

Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 16:50 (two months ago) Permalink

Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Toe Stubs Self

sleepingbag, Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:14 (two months ago) Permalink

long, devastatingly sad piece on 'the making of dylann roof':

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 09:50 (two months ago) Permalink


jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I have neither the strength nor desire to read that.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:30 (two months ago) Permalink

classic behavior on display here. KKK leader makes deeply appalling violent racist statements aloud to a reporter, then claims that neither he nor his wife are racist or condone violence

after threatening to "burn" her, he adds Barker denied that he led a hate group. Both he and his wife said they “don’t hate anyone,” were “not racist” and do not condone violence.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:12 (two months ago) Permalink

That should at least throw them into a temporary limbo. But they won't roll over and die. They'll just infect some other server eventually.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:56 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

this fucking country

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Not Guilty verdict for Stockley murder of Anthony Lamar Smith

Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:18 (two months ago) Permalink

this fucking country

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, September 11, 2017 2:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Got friends in St Louis sending updates, schools and after school activities are cancelled and people are being told to stay home. Could get nasty tonight in St Louis.

Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:27 (two months ago) Permalink

downtown is already barricaded, no cars allowed.

Forceful, pained statement from @RepMikeButler in response to #jasonstockley not guilty verdict

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) September 15, 2017

Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Ex-ilxors are on the scene, too

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 15 September 2017 22:01 (two months ago) Permalink

"I don't know where else to put this so I'm putting it here"

I am sort of surprised nobody has attempted to copyright / trademark "wypipo" yet. It just seems like a candidate for a terrible startup name (cf "Bodega" which we as a nation all shit on last week)

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

*squashes sudden desire to create a business plan for a rideshare app called Wypipo*

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 22 September 2017 22:26 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

*hides skateboard*

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Living in this country often feels like constantly getting kicked in the balls.

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:44 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I think this World Series incident is worth a crossover from sportsland.

It's complicated by the fact that Gurriel is Cuban, and acc to many white guys online "doesn't understand our culture." It overlooks the fact that he played in Japan for awhile.

This may blow up further today depending on whether there's a suspension or not.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 15:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol this isn’t even a little bit complicated IMO

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i meant purely in terms of the shitshow that will ensue

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

too bad gurriel doesn't play for cleveland

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

already whiteguy sports fans weighing in with "hey he was raised under communist oppression" and "he doesn't know what racism is"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i sort of doubt anyone whose opinion is worth hearing has said anything like that

k3vin k., Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

luckily no one else is allowed to say things

j., Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

turns out "lifelong democratic operatives" include guys like this

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 11:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

anyone have any recommendations for reading on the history of race & racism in the UK? an overview focused on the domestic situation rather than empire would be ideal

ogmor, Monday, 30 October 2017 09:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I saw this book on the weekend, and it looks good:,204,203,200_.jpg

glumdalclitch, Monday, 30 October 2017 11:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that looks good but there's no way I'll get through 650 pages of it

ogmor, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A post-Halloween reminder that the real monsters are regular people:

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

To follow up on my previous post, I started cataloging all of the reported instances of Halloween blackface in a Facebook post:

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Jesus that's depressing

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 3 November 2017 17:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Re: Trump and Economic insecurity....

— Ta-Nehisi Coates (@tanehisicoates) November 8, 2017

j., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Gotta hand it to racists. They are prolific when it comes to making up unfunny acronyms.

pplains, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

: /

j., Friday, 10 November 2017 05:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Briahna Joy Gray on Coates (and identity politics in the age of Trump more broadly):

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:02 (five days ago) Permalink

Before we start arguing about this, Simon, do you agree with the piece? Or is this another one of those 'I don't necessarily agree with everything, but it raises some interesting points' kind of thing?

Frederik B, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:35 (five days ago) Permalink

at this point I'm not particularly invested or interested in what messaging the Dems do or don't engage in, just thought folks here might find it interesting/worthy of discussion

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:41 (five days ago) Permalink

Well, if you like that discussion you should check out the 98 times we've had it already. It was worthy.

Frederik B, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:51 (five days ago) Permalink

Well, if you like that discussion you should check out the 98 times we've had it already.

Wait, we’ve had several dozen discussions of this Briahna Joy Gray piece already? But it was posted today

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:32 (five days ago) Permalink

We have talked this exact argument to death multiple times; the end result is that people who want to downplay race in favor of class do not have a firm grasp of how this country has historically solved class problems (ie, by making them slightly better for white people at the expense of non-white people until those non-white people protest and mobilize legislative allies who put them at the starting point their white counterparts were in decades before them).

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:37 (five days ago) Permalink

If you don't want to acknowledge that, feel free to continue tooting the "only class really matters" horn; I tooted it myself when we were living in a country where it wasn't patently obvious that a large segment of the country would inflict grievous harm upon themselves in order to protect the success of already-successful people who looked like them who wanted to put in place roadblocks that affect people who look like me. Watching the country's reaction to Obama's presidency was enlightening and terrifying.

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:40 (five days ago) Permalink

DJP otm

the late great, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:50 (five days ago) Permalink

this essay does the sort of concern-trolling abt "electability" that leftists otherwise recognize as diseased thinking among centrists

— 🌺JUSTIN CHARITY (@justincharity) November 13, 2017

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 20:53 (five days ago) Permalink

Reading through this article, it's completely disingenuous. It holds up Coates' critique, which criticizes the rush that a bunch of white centrists, liberals, and progressives made to absolve some segment of Trump voters from racism and recommendations to downplay critique of racial issues in favor of more discussion of economic issues, as if it has no intersectional component to it and then presents as a solution the logical endpoint of the arguments Coates has been making from the get-go.

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (five days ago) Permalink

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