signature shock-jock takes
How to tell someone has never bothered listening to the podcast they're criticizing.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
or they've never heard actual shock jock content and think it's mostly dumb riffing
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
I saw that it lumped Chapo and Red Scare together and didn't bother reading any more tbh
― Simon H., Monday, 25 March 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
also strongly suspect the entire column would be invalidated by any of their several in-show iterations of "listening to podcasts is not doing politics"
― Simon H., Monday, 25 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I didn't read the article but I don't think there's a big difference between Howard Stern and Chapo/Red Scare. Not necessarily in terms of content or politics (though Howard has a lot in common with both), but just as "hangout" shows. They function best in the background, easy listening, with occasional riveting moments of insight/drama/rage.
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
Matt rides a Sybian while explaining the Thermidorian Reaction.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
pod save america is stern, chapo is o&a, red scare is mancow
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
circa 2008 for all three comparisons
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
the premise that a podcast is supposed to be a guide to socialism or teach a nuanced approach to political thought is a huge leap of projection, and not one that writer's alone in supposing
maybe it's the post-fox news/talk radio world, but the idea that commentary is the same thing as reportage or actual political thought seems to be taken as the basis of too many arguments
having just read Matt Taibbi's take on the press's failure to actually cover things of substance re: "russiagate," I might be reaching a little but I feel like it's a problem endemic to news media right now
having also read some bullshit article in WaPo by Dana Milbank on how liberals are screwing up -- which, reading between the lines, is really about how the *press* is screwing up -- by having stances on a myriad of peripheral things irritated me this morning. if one candidate makes an offhand remark about an issue (in this case, the electoral college) it doesn't mean reporters should ask every candidate about it and then write clickbait based on that premise alone! it's the press making all issues of seemingly equal importance
it almost makes me think Beto O'Rourke has an amazingly canny strategy by not taking a strong stance on anything in particular, which is mind-blowing
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
just as "hangout" shows. They function best in the background, easy listening
In this sense you could also equate Chapo with HGTV real estate shows. Or any podcast to any other podcast. The content matters.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
xp sorry, that kind of meandered, but the CTH skewering of news media coverage of politics is one of the stronger things in their shows
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
xpnah i get what he means, though, chapo does the hangout vibe really well and i would like to hear matt talk about arby's just like i would have tuned in to the wrap up show to hear jon hein talk about burger king circa 2009, although maybe i haven't seen enough hgtv real estate shows. stern is a better comparison i think than even other podcasts.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Stern just chatting or doing interviews isn't the shock jock part, though. The belittling of show regulars, insulting comments targeted at guests, getting people to say things that could be socially controversial that might reveal some ugly opinions (see: the whole stupid recent Tucker Carlson recording fiasco), and punching down. I mean, there are moments that approach that in CTH but there are few long-winded diversions about the sex lives of politicians or whatever
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
I can't imagine Stern brought in many experts on monetary policy or international socialism to expound wonkily/humorlessly for most of an episode, either
― Simon H., Monday, 25 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
flappy bird get back in herei'm just saying just like dunking on libs doesn't really explain why people listen to chapo make fun of gary in a fake space ship isn't exactly why longtime fans of stern listened (especially after 06) but like stern, chapo is good at creatiing a particular chill atmosphere (so that even if i wasn't a rabid communist interested in the topic i would prbably still lsiten to amber interviewing yanis varoufakis)
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
sorry, i've been drinking.i'm saying, just like dunking on libs doesn't really explain why people listen to chapo, making fun of gary (the conquerer) in a fake space ship isn't exactly why longtime fans of stern listened, especially if they hung on after the jump to satellite in 2006 especially after 06. like stern, chapo is good at creatiing a particular chill atmosphere (so that even if i wasn't a rabid communist interested in the topic i would prbably still lsiten to amber interviewing yanis varoufakis).
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
lmao I absolutely skipped the Varoufakis interview, Amber interviews suck
― Simon H., Monday, 25 March 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
yes, unlike stern, i agree that chapo, and this is a big difference, has definitely suggested TO ME AT LEAST that it's a good idea to not just listen but get out there and engage and give money to causes i agree with.also this article is dumb as hell and i think it's funny that i writer posted it on the chapo and redscre subreddits trawling for reaction.also i find it troubling and stupid that people—american pop culture take writers—in the past month have compared the cultural revolution to brooklyn podcasts, political correctness and the american left in general.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
the Varoufakis thing is 90% him talking!
and I'm not completely on board with his views, but I'm glad that they presented a long conversation with him as a sidebar to their podcast
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
Beto O'Rourke has an amazingly canny strategy by not taking a strong stance on anything in particular, which is mind-blowing
he knows Being There
or Mr Smith Goes to Washington
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
i think aufhebunga bunga is good on (narrowly defined) world politics, europe specifically speaking of varoufakis, and south america
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link
xp let it be noted I had some marked qualifiers in front of that statement!
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link
dylan otm re: Howard's appeal. it's a 3+ hour show, Chapo/Red Scare are all an hour plus, they go a lot of places. Howard asking Beet to spell "red" = Matt touching the poop. the interviews are often the most substantive and interesting parts of both shows. and then of course their rants, my personal favorites. the shows veer all over the place, from serious to silly to dramatic to incredibly stupid. good broadcasters can go all over the place and keep audiences listening, they don't have to be captivated the whole time. if I found HGTV hosts interesting (possible), yeah I'd tune in. but I'd rather listen to something adjacent to my interests, and to people whose opinions I'm interested in.
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 March 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
Having the same appeal for you doesn’t make them actually similar, though. “People chatting” is not a feature unique to shock jocks.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link
just had question marks appear over my head as I pondered, "are desus and mero shock jocks?"
― mh, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link
“People chatting” is not a feature unique to shock jocks.
I mean, isn't this what Stern pioneered though? People chatting on the radio.(I'm not actually sure, but it's the first place I heard it.) I feel like his influence or my perception of it is all over these unscripted podcasts. Rush Limbaugh, say, is an extremely different vibe.
― ryan, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
have you listened to Howard and Robin talking during the news (the last hour of the show)? it's really not that far off from Chapo
xp ryan otm, Limbaugh is more of a one man show vibe
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
That article is an interesting artifact of what happens when people start interpreting ideological commitments as cultural capital.
― ryan, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link
I think your views are being colored by being Stern aficionados and seeing that influence elsewhere.
Panel shows discussing the events of the day have been around throughout radio and TV history. Chapo has much more to do with the McLaughlin Group or the Firing Line crossed with the Stewart-era Daily Show than it does with 3 hour radio broadcasts.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
Down to the “it’s just comedy” disavowal of political responsibility.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link
Will Menaker@willmenaker
Are we the Leftist Howard Stern? That's not for me to say... I'll let others decide.9:22 AM - 19 Nov 2016
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
Chapo has much more to do with the McLaughlin Group or the Firing Line crossed with the Stewart-era Daily Show than it does with 3 hour radio broadcasts.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, March 25, 2019 2:42 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i am not even a huge stern fan but this seems like an absurd claim
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link
"chapo trap house" + "daily show"About 24,300 results (0.51 seconds)
"chapo trap house" + "howard stern"About 7,470 results (0.60 seconds)
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:01 (five years ago) link
^^Yeah that's a fair point. Let me rephrase: I think Stern is an influence in some primordial way (after all I'd argue he's an influence on the Daily Show!) but I actually wish Chapo were MORE like mid 00's Stern. It often feels like they are running down bullet points and there's not as much room for spontaneity as I'd personally prefer. (The more scripted or structured a podcast feels the faster I tend to tune out....not quite sure why.)
― ryan, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
well Google search results I guess it's proven
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:42 (five years ago) link
which one of the chapo bros should grow the howard stern hair
― mh, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 02:57 (five years ago) link
Matt can't.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:11 (five years ago) link
I think whoever wants to pay for it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:35 (five years ago) link
neither can howardxp
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 05:30 (five years ago) link
By the time Chapo appeared the concept of several dudes in a room shooting the shit was a pretty well worn podcast format. Idk if we have to reach for Stern as a model.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:00 (five years ago) link
this show has gotten back to being funnier again and the last few have been very good i think
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
Former ILXor on the pod tonight
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 28 March 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
him again!
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 March 2019 03:01 (five years ago) link
Is he the first/only?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 28 March 2019 03:16 (five years ago) link
That was basically the platonic ideal of a Chapo ep
― Simon H., Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
guess I gotta shell out $5, huh
― mh, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
reddit.com/r/blackwolffeed
― Simon H., Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:38 (five years ago) link
I can afford $5! I just lapsed a long time back because I wasn't really listening that much.
guess that's a nice resource for the broke comrades or w/e though
― mh, Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:43 (five years ago) link
The way I figure it is they make more than enough goddamn money and my 5 bones can go to Citations Needed or whatever
― Simon H., Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:50 (five years ago) link
at least they pay Adomian for his appearances
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 28 March 2019 13:55 (five years ago) link