Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (five years ago) link

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (five years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (five years ago) link

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (five years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (five years ago) link

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (five years ago) link

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (five years ago) link

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (five years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (five years ago) link

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (five years ago) link

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (five years ago) link

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (five years ago) link

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (five years ago) link

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (five years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (five years ago) link

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (five years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (five years ago) link

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (five years ago) link

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (five years ago) link

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (five years ago) link

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (five years ago) link

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (five years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (five years ago) link

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (five years ago) link

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (five years ago) link

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (five years ago) link

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (five years ago) link

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (five years ago) link

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (five years ago) link

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (five years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (five years ago) link

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (five years ago) link

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (five years ago) link

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (five years ago) link

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (five years ago) link

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (five years ago) link

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (five years ago) link

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (five years ago) link

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (five years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (five years ago) link

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (five years ago) link

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (five years ago) link

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (five years ago) link

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (five years ago) link

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (five years ago) link

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (five years ago) link

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (five years ago) link

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (five years ago) link

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (five years ago) link

let's not talk about ukraine on a thread about a show that just had an episode about ukraine

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 15:52 (three months ago) link

hey, do as you will, I’m just making a request

mh, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:04 (three months ago) link

There were other claims on the show that particularly bothered me too, for example Felix's repetition that the US had somehow "gassed up" Ukraine for this conflict. As though people wouldn't care about being invaded/taken over by Russia if the US hadn't engaged in some kind of psyop to make them think fighting for their homeland is worth it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:13 (three months ago) link

I’m just thankful that these dangerous horseshoe theorists aren’t the president or secretary of state or get inches in the paper of record or offered standing invites as ‘experts’ on every cable news channel. you know, like people who supported the Iraq invasion.

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:20 (three months ago) link

I haven't listened to This Is Sus... Is it assumed that the listener HAS watched these shows or HASN'T watched these show? Some of them, like Oz or Homeland seem like they're regular wheelhouse PRESTIGE TEEVEE things, and then others it's like ironic normie TV, and then it's like didn't everyone get excited about Nashville so which is it?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 18 March 2022 22:10 (three months ago) link

It started out as What Pseudo-Prestige TV Says About Us (kind of) and then seems to have morphed into Felix watching bad TV and recapping it.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 18 March 2022 22:33 (three months ago) link

The live show episodes are the absolute worst sales pitch for buying a ticket to see them on tour.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 18 March 2022 22:34 (three months ago) link

i thought the live show bits from the other week were alright but the audience participation stuff this week was painful, particularly the guy whose podcast pitch was about how he was one of the cool fans of the show, not like those other fans. Kind of grim to think that those ideas were the best that the audience had to offer.

JoeStork, Saturday, 19 March 2022 06:29 (three months ago) link

The tv recaps are kind of a grab bag. I’ve never watched Homeland and the way it was broken down would probably work better for someone who’s watched some episodes. Kind of trashy propaganda-filled thriller with weird character arcs is how they ended up describing it.

The La Brea episode is a strong warning to not watch the show unless you want to see absolutely terrible television and it’s mostly goofing on how bad the show is

mh, Saturday, 19 March 2022 15:12 (three months ago) link

I don’t think I listened to a CTH episode about Oz, but hoo boy was that show ever a proto-prestige show. I watched it when it aired and it’s funny how they hit so many things that would be later hallmarks of prestige television, but also just had wild trash flying out of every plot device

mh, Saturday, 19 March 2022 15:14 (three months ago) link

xxp I forgot I had even played this. It's a yikes my dude.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 19 March 2022 15:14 (three months ago) link

Oz’s trash ones and insanity actively thwart binge watching. More than two episodes in 48 hours and your brain starts to melt.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 16:24 (three months ago) link

Trashiness

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 16:24 (three months ago) link

What were the original “prestige” shows? The Sopranos? Sex and the City?

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 March 2022 17:42 (three months ago) link

Sopranos for sure. even tho it was network feels like West Wing was in the running

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Saturday, 19 March 2022 17:47 (three months ago) link

The West Wing/Homicide/NYPD Blue were all pointing that way but Sopranos is the first one that really had that "it's a NOVEL but on TV" air to it IMO.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 17:51 (three months ago) link

yeah totally. i should watch Homicide and the Shield at some point.

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Saturday, 19 March 2022 18:14 (three months ago) link

I had a bootleg DVD set once upon a time but Homicide has never gone up for streaming anywhere AFAIK, it's a shame

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 19 March 2022 18:23 (three months ago) link

Twin Peaks

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 March 2022 19:56 (three months ago) link

Yeah Twin Peaks may be the grandfather of the genre.

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 March 2022 20:21 (three months ago) link

Hill Street Blues afaik

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 19 March 2022 21:28 (three months ago) link

Miami Vice and Crime Story gotta fit in there somewhere, too

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 19 March 2022 22:18 (three months ago) link

If we’re going to keep going backwards, then—-
Twilight Zone

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 March 2022 23:17 (three months ago) link

I think one defining thing about “prestige tv” is the season long (or show long) story arc, so not sure Twilight Zone would count.

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 March 2022 23:47 (three months ago) link

I guess Black Mirror isn’t Prestige then

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 March 2022 00:48 (three months ago) link

Season-long arcs and when you watch it you feel smarter than the schmoes watching normal TV are the primary requirements.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 20 March 2022 01:08 (three months ago) link

Definitely also shows that dominate media discourse way out of proportion to their viewership numbers. Josh Fruhlinger on Twitter a couple years ago was pointing out how millions more people watch, like CBS old-people bait like NCIS than Mad Men but all “the discourse” is about the latter.

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 20 March 2022 01:20 (three months ago) link

The Prisoner fits most of the qualifications.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 March 2022 03:09 (three months ago) link

I finally cancelled my patreon. Time for these guys to get a real job.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 20 March 2022 03:48 (three months ago) link

I think the official modern prestige era, if you accept that The Sopranos kind of bridged from proto- to actual-prestige tv, is The Wire. (You can just count The Sopranos, idk whatever)

Which lines up with Homicide being a precursor

mh, Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:05 (three months ago) link

the general critical line is that Sopranos, The Wire, and Deadwood are the initial trinity of prestige TV, and so I think one of the hallmarks is that prestige TV should be About Something Bigger, as well as having this more uniformly high level of acting, directing, and creative control. Twin Peaks definitely stands apart from other TV at the time and has Lynch's creative stamp on it, but the acting and directing...varies, and it was famously subject to the demands of ABC executives. The Prisoner kind of qualifies, but most of the episodes barely contribute to the story arc. Twin Peaks and Homicide seem like the shows where there was a real conflict between the show's potential and the demands of network TV, rather than just issues with the standards and practices department.

If miniseries count then I'd say that Roots and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy would be the closest to prestige TV pre-90s.

JoeStork, Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:50 (three months ago) link

Right I always got the impression that prestige tv shows no matter when and where they are set we’re meant to be “It’s About America Today don’t you see”

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:53 (three months ago) link

The "it's about AMERICA" thread in The Sopranos is my least favorite aspect of it. I mean, obviously it's about America, but whenever they try to work in larger commentary about foreign policy or that sort of thing.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:57 (three months ago) link

I like season two of the Wire because the Sobotkas/union guys/Greeks are good characters on their own but Frank's "we used to BUILD SHIT" asides are a bit on the nose.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 21 March 2022 00:27 (three months ago) link

What I really loved about Deadwood and The Wire is how much they were shows about entire communities; The Sopranos had a bit of that + in depth psychological analysis of one individual character, and then shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad explored that second aspect to the extent that it now seems to be the prestige TV default. I know Simon got rightfully clowned for saying The Wire was "more like a novel" but I do wish more TV shows had that sprawling 19th century novel feel to them with dozens of characters.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 March 2022 11:33 (three months ago) link

i feel like this genre probably kicked off in the US with the PBS slot MASTERPIECE THEATRE in 1971? one of the earliest series it broadcast was the BBC's THE FORSYTE SAGA (26 eps first broadcast from mid-1967, the last BBC drama filmed in B/W). galsworthy's novel sequence it's based on was published in the early 20th century but it's about the 19th century: and it's very much sprawling with dozens of character -- watching it as a tiny i was afraid of the patriach soames forsyte (eric porter) and had a bit of a crush on fleur (susan hampshire) tho all i know remember is that hampshire the actress publicly discussed her dyslexia -- which was the first time i learned of this condition

where is my chapo invite

mark s, Monday, 21 March 2022 11:42 (three months ago) link

I remember there being a fun thread years ago where we pitched ideas for The Wire S6, but can't find it now.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 21 March 2022 11:58 (three months ago) link

Emily Nussbaum had a very good piece about how Sex and the City was a flagship show for HBO but how that has since been revised down by the post-show’s legacy films and…revisionism.

mardheamac (gyac), Monday, 21 March 2022 12:03 (three months ago) link

"Puzzle Box" TV kind intersects with Prestige TV too, though it can obviously also just be trash. It's a slightly different lineage The Prisoner---Twin Peaks---X-Files---Lost--Carnivale---Mr. Robot---True Detective--The Leftovers---Westworld--Russian Doll etc. I suppose you could throw Battlestar in there as well.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 21 March 2022 13:43 (three months ago) link

last Citations Needed episode “news brief”on US media narratives and tropes in response to Russian invasion is A+

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 21 March 2022 20:18 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Blowback S3 is going to supportingcast.fm instead of Stitcher, hallelujah

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 01:09 (two months ago) link

my god, is the crank back?!

Counterpoint: 17th,18th, & early 19th century Americans had arguably the world's highest standards of living before the development of widespread public education. https://t.co/nleUUBPqo1

— Dan McLaughlin (@baseballcrank) April 26, 2022

mh, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 02:26 (two months ago) link

public education is bad? most engagement he’s had since the old days of podcasts doing easy dunks on his takes. he’s maybe back from doing still-dumb but less-dunkable takes

mh, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 02:28 (two months ago) link

nice how that tweet is itself a good argument for the importance of education

symsymsym, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 02:39 (two months ago) link

"the world's highest"

towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 02:44 (two months ago) link

*dies of consumption*

towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 02:45 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

How are you guys celebrating Virgil Disappearance Day 2022?

PROMISES MADE AND BROKEN: WHERE'S @VIRGILTEXAS?

WHY IS @briebriejoy LYING?

SCHOOL BOND DOGS EXCLUSIVE: @chrishansen reporting pic.twitter.com/MKaYk3PAqA

— SchoolBondWolfie (@BondWolfie) June 8, 2022

If BJG is pivoting to Tucker world she could just bring Texas back and not say anything.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Virgil could totally make a comeback as a cancel culture victim in right wing media

this is going to be fun to hear about on the show

Rod getting deported from Hungary is the sad adult version of Aslan sending the human children back to their world at the end of every adventure. pic.twitter.com/6sPZUMI8BK

— Unworthy Hand (@kisstheblade_) June 17, 2022

mh, Friday, 17 June 2022 18:24 (two weeks ago) link


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