Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (two years ago) link

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (two years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (two years ago) link

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (two years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (two years ago) link

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (two years ago) link

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (two years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (two years ago) link

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (two years ago) link

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (two years ago) link

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (two years ago) link

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (two years ago) link

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (two years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (two years ago) link

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (two years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (two years ago) link

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (two years ago) link

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (two years ago) link

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (two years ago) link

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (two years ago) link

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (two years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (two years ago) link

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (two years ago) link

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (two years ago) link

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (two years ago) link

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (two years ago) link

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (two years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (two years ago) link

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (two years ago) link

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (two years ago) link

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (two years ago) link

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (two years ago) link

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (two years ago) link

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (two years ago) link

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (two years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (two years ago) link

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (two years ago) link

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (two years ago) link

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (two years ago) link

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (two years ago) link

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (two years ago) link

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (two years ago) link

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (two years ago) link

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (two years ago) link

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (two years ago) link

Alaska destroying state institutions to better find direct cash transfers is the future UBI people want. Every political fight after UBI would be the right marshalling popular support for increased cash held-in-person and decreased capital held-in-common.

— Blood Music (@IlllllllllllllI) July 6, 2019

I find it bizarre how hard the UBI "left" work to ignore this. Any UBI paid out below subsistence returns *immediately* to capital. What would you do with an extra 3 grand? Pay off debt and buy products. It's money laundering for a massive privatization of state property.

— Blood Music (@IlllllllllllllI) July 6, 2019

flopson, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:07 (two weeks ago) link

Isn't most of the left anti-UBI?

Isn't it conventional wisdom UBI is the ultimate libertarian scheme?

Van Horn Street, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:11 (two weeks ago) link

if tech industry dickholes like something it's probably bad is how I break it down to an extent

historically speaking, unconditionally giving everyone means of material security has been a core tenet of the left since the beginning

flopson, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

maybe because some tech guys got into it that will now change. But it would be a big twist and so far seems mostly confined to twitter

flopson, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

xpost also a core tenet of free market purists/chicago school jackasses afaic

Van Horn Street, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:19 (two weeks ago) link

maybe it’s the wrong thread for it but what is the ilx chapo bro consensus on like, welfare/transfers?

in the US aside from foodstamps it’s basically impossible to get transfers if you are not employed. (and trump is trying to add work requirements to SNAP). this is very different from the way it works in Canada and Europe. i think it’s desirable for those transfers to not be conditional on work, since often the most vulnerable populations can’t work (for a living wage, or at all). suspect most of you agree? once you agree to give people who don’t work money, UBI is the extreme argument that they shouldn’t depend on income, either. i think not depending on income makes sense at least to a point; if you’re making 20k per year UBI and decide to work part time but they take away your UBI you’ll just end up back at 20k. so maybe we don’t go all the way to the extreme of UBI, maybe you keep your 20k and your UBI and then it gets clawed back by progressive taxes.

i think there’s a strong political impetus to remove conditions on income support in the US, and kinda hoped the left would be the ones to do it. but maybe not?

flopson, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:33 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah maybe it’s another thread but generally speaking I have no problem with basic income given to citizens in need of an extra lift, regardless of employment status. I just don’t understand why it must be ~universal. Dunno why we would give free handouts at a whole lot of comfortable households with say private health insurance and a solid mortgage.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 8 July 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

i’m fascinated by the anti-UBI left

historically speaking, unconditionally giving everyone means of material security has been a core tenet of the left since the beginning

― flopson,

Yes, but I think theres maybe a growing realization that UBI isn't that - if it was, why not do Universal Basic Services instead?

Andrew Yang gave the game away, unwittingly, when he let slip on Rubin(!) that once UBI was in place, you could start to cut welfare, because you would give people the choice. I'm not anti-Yang per se, but this is a huge problem, and in his core policy. Trojan horse laid bare (and thats before you get into whether its inflationary or not)

But the bigger question is....why UBI and not UBS? Maybe you think both, but it seems cart before horse to me. Universal Basic Income without Universal Basic Healthcare seems a poor band-aid

anvil, Monday, 8 July 2019 06:00 (two weeks ago) link

I just don’t understand why it must be ~universal.

I'm fine with the universal part (same w free college, healthcare) - any universal benefit is harder to remove once its out in the wild and in use. But this is why it works better as service rather than income, at point of need.

anvil, Monday, 8 July 2019 06:05 (two weeks ago) link

maybe I'm wrong on UBI, I don't really have a solid position on it, but I've definitely moved from a "sure, why not, give it a go" position to "hmm, I'm not so sure about this" over the last year or two.

anvil, Monday, 8 July 2019 06:08 (two weeks ago) link

it's exciting and useful as a way of reframing welfare/transfers and I can see why it's particularly appealing and charged in the US. as a side-effect of that some ppl have got overexcited and sometimes it's oversold. I also think there's a whiff off its hype in the tory govt's new 'universal credit' scheme which is currently further immiserating the most vulnerable ppl in the nation through bureaucracy. afaik the most successful transfer programmes have been targeted cf. brazil where they paid money to mothers of poor families and had v good results.

ogmor, Monday, 8 July 2019 08:42 (two weeks ago) link

One of the points of it being universal would be that it massively cuts down on the bureaucracy - as soon as there's an 'in-list' and an 'out-list', it's a target for the right in a way that, say Medicare for All isn't.

This is obviously UK-based, but I think it's of more than no relevance to the US:

https://www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/06/18/new-labours-lessons/

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 July 2019 09:36 (two weeks ago) link

my concerns are mostly about the limits of this individualist approach to welfare. all the non-cash-transfer parts of the welfare state are already getting fucked for funding, lots of ppl have needs that require more than whatever the basic income will be and it's not hard to see how they would get squeezed to protect a big inflexible expense. plus lots of vulnerable ppl aren't so hot at managing their money, and there's an argument that the bigger project for the left should be bolstering public/common ownership

ogmor, Monday, 8 July 2019 09:56 (two weeks ago) link

the rub is in the implementation -- SV venture capital/libertarian types are sold on it because the fine print in their proposals implies that the total expenditures would be less than the existing welfare programs

there's also strong interest in it being a federal program that includes a multiplier to adjust for differences in cost of living by location. so in california, and specifically the bay area, the amount of federal expenditures would be higher than in less populous/affluent areas

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 8 July 2019 14:20 (two weeks ago) link

the hunter biden riff was v funny

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 22:21 (one week ago) link

if I was that kid I’d probably be smoking crack, too :(

untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 11 July 2019 03:01 (one week ago) link

Felix really seems like the only one who's not a complete nightmare to deal with in real life.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 03:08 (one week ago) link

this from a jezebel takedown of red scare made me lol:

Audrey Gelman of The Wing tagged herself as a “longtime listener,” and her buddy Lena Dunham excitedly shared her fandom in a now-deleted tweet. This is despite the fact that both women have been ruthlessly mocked by Khachiyan and Nekrasova; Dunham announced that she enjoyed the show despite the pair calling her a “human beanbag.” (Gelman’s husband was also a co-host of a short-lived podcast of men recapping Red Scare, a kind of irony so circular it disappears immediately into its own collective ass.)

flopson, Thursday, 11 July 2019 20:58 (one week ago) link

Pitchforkreviewsreviews.com

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:04 (one week ago) link

the sex pistols and nazi symbolism, finally back together again

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:25 (one week ago) link

i was a teen who read vice in the early-mid 00s and they often referred to the 90s as this period that was stultifyingly pc which the mag was a reaction to; i wonder if in the '20s we'll see a similar alt-reactionnary 'correction' to '10s wokeness and red scare is just an early example

flopson, Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:32 (one week ago) link

it's inevitable

imagine Borat coming out today - or in 1991

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:58 (one week ago) link

i was born in 1991 and actually have no idea whether the 90s were actually pc

flopson, Thursday, 11 July 2019 22:25 (one week ago) link

the 90s weren't pc

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 July 2019 22:48 (one week ago) link

whether or not an era was considered pc is more about whether assholes were butthurt about being exposed to the opinions of minorities. since they are butthurt about this all the time, EVERY era is pc

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 July 2019 22:56 (one week ago) link

in the 90s there were lots of dramas where "the battle of the sexes" is a big thing and men bemoan women making them want to marry, and how they don't want to be "modern men" and all this crap and act super sexist but you're supposed to sympathize with them

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 July 2019 22:57 (one week ago) link

this is the kind of advert companies made in the 1990s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP3V25pkNY

now they're making ads about stopping toxic masculinity

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:00 (one week ago) link

lol that ad kinda rules, no?

flopson, Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:04 (one week ago) link

it's kind of emblematic of the approach to male sexuality that was rife in the 90s, and which is not congruent at all with the current zeitgeist

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:05 (one week ago) link

A variation of every reactionary backlash happening today was happening in the '90s... and the '00s and the '80s and so on.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:24 (one week ago) link

feel like american culture was more conservative in 00s than 90s
operative word here "feel"

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:26 (one week ago) link

beer commercial music has improved at least
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Aqfj/michelob-ultra-get-up-song-by-james-brown

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:28 (one week ago) link

Its like you can’t even screech in a bagel shop that women won’t let short men smash without someone making a tweet about it anymore

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:29 (one week ago) link

I don't see a lot of difference in American culture between the '00s and the '90s. 1999 lasted until the iPhone came out, pretty much.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:30 (one week ago) link

feel like american culture was more conservative in 00s than 90s

Murphy Brown becoming a single mom and Ellen kissing a woman once were major national news stories (because the right flipped their shit).

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:32 (one week ago) link

Its like you can’t even screech in a bagel shop that women won’t let short men smash without someone making a tweet about it anymore

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten)

lol

Dan S, Thursday, 11 July 2019 23:56 (one week ago) link

xp I know, and don't ask don't tell, DOMA, other celebrities that stayed (glass) closeted. what did the first/second wave of political correctness hit? just academia? sincerely asking. I read Roth's The Human Stain earlier this year, and now Sabbath's Theater, and it feels utterly of the moment despite being from 2000 and 1995 respectively.

the 90s ended on 9/11

flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 00:55 (one week ago) link

People have been complaining about political correctness since the mid '80s and it was used before that in a different manner. It feels utterly of the moment because it's all been the same play over and over with different actors and slightly altered scenes.

The '90s didn't end (culturally) on 9/11 by any stretch. Even politically, the Bush era was just the fruition of the 1994 House election.
2008ish you get Obama/iPhone-Youtube-social media culture in ascendancy/Great Recession.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 12 July 2019 01:12 (one week ago) link

my formative years, turning 18 in ‘99, were the 90s

by our definitions now, it was not amazingly progressive. it’d be like asking someone in the 90s if the 70s were progressive and then showing them a tv show where some guy is like “wow, a broad in the office? and she’s my manager! gee, wiz!” and they all wink at the camera. the difference is the wink goes away and maybe no one calls her a broad

the 90s were “pc” in the way a lot of things were given lip service and token social changes happened but there was no follow-through. as always, maybe

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 12 July 2019 04:10 (one week ago) link

There was "PC" stuff on campuses in the 90s, but it kind of felt as much a a reaction against boomer permissiveness as against entrenched patriarchy etc. There was a lot of "Hey, superstar former hippie professor, stop grabbing students' breasts!" which caused a bunch of oldsters to believe the thought police were coming for them.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 12 July 2019 13:36 (one week ago) link

i'd had drinks and i'm not sure where i was going with that post

in any case, the 90s were notionally progressive in some ways, but you generally can judge the progressiveness of any particular era by the norms adopted that were, in the immediately prior era, pushing social boundaries. the norms didn't change a whole lot, and the things that seemed like they were really pushing boundaries seem pretty quaint by 2019 standards

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:32 (one week ago) link

Matt, Virgil, and Brendan were at the Netroots Nation thing today and dropped on Majority Report, midway thru this clip:

https://youtu.be/jfjaxQrCdb8

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 12 July 2019 19:47 (one week ago) link

the return of brendan would be sweet, always enjoyed his guest appearances/producer insights

oiocha, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:26 (one week ago) link

biggest get yet, no?

👑 CHAPO X Ilhan Omar 🤩 pic.twitter.com/RmzRpth1Lt

— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) July 14, 2019

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:17 (one week ago) link

well it’s just bc they were all at netroots nation right?

JoeStork, Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:53 (one week ago) link

Why are you doing this to her

— Member of D.S.A.—“Drinking Some Ale!” (@90sSlowJamz) July 14, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:54 (one week ago) link

The 90s version of PC was mocked the most for the phrase "vertically challenged" iirc

billstevejim, Monday, 15 July 2019 02:37 (one week ago) link

re: Ross Perot?

flappy bird, Monday, 15 July 2019 04:08 (one week ago) link


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