Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (four years ago) link

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (four years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (four years ago) link

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (four years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (four years ago) link

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (four years ago) link

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (four years ago) link

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (four years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (four years ago) link

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (four years ago) link

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (four years ago) link

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (four years ago) link

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (four years ago) link

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (four years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (four years ago) link

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (four years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (four years ago) link

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (four years ago) link

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (four years ago) link

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (four years ago) link

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (four years ago) link

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (four years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (four years ago) link

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (four years ago) link

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (four years ago) link

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (four years ago) link

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (four years ago) link

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (four years ago) link

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (four years ago) link

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (four years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (four years ago) link

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (four years ago) link

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (four years ago) link

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (four years ago) link

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (four years ago) link

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (four years ago) link

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (four years ago) link

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (four years ago) link

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (four years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (four years ago) link

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (four years ago) link

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (four years ago) link

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (four years ago) link

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (four years ago) link

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (four years ago) link

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (four years ago) link

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (four years ago) link

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (four years ago) link

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (four years ago) link

The knobs who’ve pushed all in on the idea of DSA careerism are amazing.

I already joined the dsa and attended their general. It was filled with careerist speakers and ngo representatives. They made no attempt at greeting new members or reaching out personally to anyone. It was an entirely cliqueish affair. Totally dysfunctional org

— talk about unions now please (@dirtbag_atx) December 31, 2020

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 1 January 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

what do i do if i enjoy matt's politics takes but his art/culture takes make me want to never go on the internet again?

shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

the safe answer is probably just to never go on the internet again

shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

whenever he says "squib" skip ahead 15 minutes

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

https://newrepublic.com/article/160738/modern-monetary-theory-left-debate

(about Chapo adjacent internecine podcast drama, not just MMT)

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, December 31, 2020 4:03 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

it makes sense that a large portion of the US left would eat up some anti-tax pro-workfare snakeoil but it’s still depressing to me

flopson, Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

As one listener put it on Twitter, their podcasts have “just enough Heidegger to confuse the economists. just enough economics to confuse philosophers. all of it not specific enough to even be wrong. an interdisciplinary mish mash making even the film theorists blush.” Likewise, another wrote, “*MMT humanities bro rips bong* MMT bro: the ontologic historical problematic mediates and reifies through the univocal application of a transhistoric monetary epistemology that mediates the primordial ooze that is ‘your hand’ and ‘toothpaste.’”

loool this is accurate

i like this substack a lot tho https://vebaccount.substack.com/p/production-dsirante-and-the-investment

flopson, Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

this tweet quoted in the piece says it all really

*love* the MMT humanities guys. just enough Heidegger to confuse the economists. just enough economics to confuse philosophers. all of it not specific enough to even be wrong. an interdisciplinary mish mash making even the film theorists blush. am subscribing to their patreon

— BO H (@bo_austin_) December 5, 2020

(xp!!)

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:52 (two weeks ago) link

One paper by members of the Money On The Left project called for the creation of a Fed-backed, university-issued currency, known as “the Uni,” to both support operations and provide an academic jobs guarantee, insulating scholars from questions about whether their work is a worthy use of “taxpayer” money.

The Uni project is a model: Instead of funding the project by taking existing monetary wealth from rich people—and thus ultimately granting the propertied classes the privileged place they enjoy in our politics as “tax payers”—it undertakes public investment using the state’s unique money-creating power. This has some profound political implications: if investment in public projects like universities or infrastructure ultimately stems from the state’s money-creating powers, not taxes, then a politics that fully harnesses that power would make the rich politically irrelevant. The government still taxes, but to check inflation and accumulations of unproductive wealth.

so painfully dumb and embarrassing. this is as bad as the crypto currency people

flopson, Sunday, 3 January 2021 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

but his art/culture takes make me want to never go on the internet again?

― shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:00 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is one of the primary reasons why i just can't

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 January 2021 16:09 (two weeks ago) link

I mean I agree with him about squibs vs CGI blood but also that's a ten-second opinion at most

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 3 January 2021 16:24 (two weeks ago) link

i don't listen to the show much anymore, but he's sparked a sub-bill simmons-level discussion on twitter about "dumb smart" and "smart dumb" film directors

shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Sunday, 3 January 2021 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

nfc east / democratic party

- love sidelining their best players
- heavy presence in nyc and dc
- washington finally made least-they-could-do concessions in 2020 after decades of protest
- had a presence in texas a long time ago
- not interested in doing anything
- losers

— Jon Bois (@jon_bois) January 4, 2021

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 4 January 2021 05:25 (one week ago) link

pic.twitter.com/5M99iGWA7V

— dr. professor kashiwagi, esq. (@kwamurai) January 9, 2021

I'm sure everyone is going to be super chill about this

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 04:47 (one week ago) link

haha what the fuck did they do?

Felix was extremely good at guessing the neolib nudges on the latest Patreon Trashfuture.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 10 January 2021 04:52 (one week ago) link

the Will Sommer episode was terrible, they should never have guests with both Matt and Amber on because they never get a chance to say anything

plus Amber started talking a bunch of specious conspiracy stuff right away and Felix's lol quit overreacting thing gets dumber the more we know about it

more and more it feels disjointed, like Virgil is basically done with it, Will, Matt and Amber seem to be going in different directions, Felix just seems to double down on saying "This [shitty person] is so rad" facetious schtick but often feels like he's probably just not paying attention

the movie watching episodes seem like everyone has fun with

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 January 2021 04:55 (one week ago) link

man the QAnon Anonymous people found a rich, dependable lane huh

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 06:23 (one week ago) link

that video of matt super drunk from that livestream still gives me the creeps man lmao he's like poltergeist drunk

That's not just alcohol, trust me.

fields of salmon, Monday, 11 January 2021 01:12 (six days ago) link

the QAA people were on vacation during the riot. lol.

wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 11 January 2021 06:24 (six days ago) link

sorry if wrong thread but loooool

Absolutely incredible. pic.twitter.com/NJRplehf08

— Marc ⛳️ (@ethnicohioan) January 10, 2021

rob, Monday, 11 January 2021 14:31 (six days ago) link

Nick Mullen is the president of the DSA? or is this some sort of injoke incomprehensible to outsiders? Also I knew he dated one of the Redscare weirdos but is he uhh suspect or crypto fascist?

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 11 January 2021 16:56 (six days ago) link

that is a long running joke

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:18 (six days ago) link

i think he dated the less shitty red scare weirdo

here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:19 (six days ago) link

the people who think that the DSA either is, or has been taken over by, sexist male edgelords were also very anti-Mullen on twitter

so, the sarcastic joke is “yes, Nick Mullen, DSA president”

mh, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:20 (six days ago) link

i think he dated the less shitty red scare weirdo

― here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, January 11, 2021 12:19 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

he didn't, adam did

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:19 (six days ago) link

oops

here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 11 January 2021 23:07 (six days ago) link

QAA Capitol episode very good so far

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 00:14 (five days ago) link

Just got to the clip of Trump’s speech where he whines about Oprah before sending off his minions to try and kill Senators.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 01:50 (five days ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/w8MIaFC.jpg

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 04:02 (four days ago) link

cuuuuursed

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 04:03 (four days ago) link

It's very Giamatti

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 04:04 (four days ago) link

Not unexpectedly so, tho

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 08:07 (four days ago) link

the show is very lazy and bad right now. please just do an episode about the khashoggi movie thank you

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 15 January 2021 12:39 (two days ago) link

I watched First Blood the other night and was thinking that would be a fun one for them to do

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 12:40 (two days ago) link

Yeah it's absolutely wretched at the moment, barely ever funny at all and you can feel their "Actually, Trump was good" contrarianism master-class take coming.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:13 (two days ago) link

seems like a stretch

well, maybe a stoned Amber could galaxy-brain her way there idk

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:22 (two days ago) link

I wouldn't go that far but it's embarrassing to hear them guffaw over anticipated fuckups and disappointments of their own imagining

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:24 (two days ago) link

I mean,,, $1400 after winning GEORGIA with the promise of $2k is kind of Charlie Brown purposely missing the ball

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:27 (two days ago) link

and let’s be real: 1400 probably ain’t happening either after it’s been poked and prodded and pragmatized to death

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:28 (two days ago) link

Matt's own streams are a mess right now too, but it's interesting hearing him trying to work out his thoughts

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 15 January 2021 13:54 (two days ago) link

they were already on the "trump was actually good for foreign policy" a couple months ago then making chicken shit little asides to acknowledge that the drone program was worse under Trump and more secretive

they seem pretty invested in sticking with the "lol the capitol riot was nbd" despite more and more evidence we've seen since the day it happened continue to point to the fact that is was serious and coordinated

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:15 (two days ago) link

They're going big on the odds of little changing, seems pretty safe, and if they're wrong then they'll be happy about it. They're so dedicated to this that i don't think they bothered to mention Bernie's new job? I am owning myself now by thinking that could be anything at all?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:20 (two days ago) link

sometimes i need to remind myself that they rake in $170k a month on patreon so they aren't exactly that worried

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:28 (two days ago) link

Are they cool with Sinophobia? It seems the online left was far more concerned with making fun of liberals worrying about Russia that they missed the boat on Trump’s new cold war with China. Just last week the US and Taiwan exchanged high level diplomats, breaking precedent since the Nixon era.

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:57 (two days ago) link

Bernie’s new job is indeed rad and lord please keep the angel of death from grandpa’s door.

xposts

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:02 (two days ago) link

I’m not on Twitter so can’t really speak to the online left but it did seem like Biden got clowned pretty hard for leaning into Sinophobia back in the spring and his folks kinda dropped that thread? (for now)

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:04 (two days ago) link

Just remember, there is no left

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 15 January 2021 15:06 (two days ago) link

They sounded so reenergized clowning the $2000 $1400 stimulus plan. I think Biden is going to be great for the show. They're back, baby!

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:46 (fourteen hours ago) link

Yeah it's absolutely wretched at the moment, barely ever funny at all and you can feel their "Actually, Trump was good" contrarianism master-class take coming.

Dumb people have been predicting this since March of 2016 and yet...

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:59 (thirteen hours ago) link

The "online left" has been pretty consistent in opposing ginning up global conflicts, whether that's Iran, North Korea, China or Russia.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:00 (thirteen hours ago) link

Just last week the US and Taiwan exchanged high level diplomats, breaking precedent since the Nixon era.

― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:57 (two days ago) link

I'm not sure I understand tbh, diplomatic relations with a democracy should be seen as bad by the left because it offends a repressive authoritarian regime that puts minorities in concentration camps?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:19 (thirteen hours ago) link


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