Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (three years ago) link

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (three years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (three years ago) link

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (three years ago) link

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (three years ago) link

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (three years ago) link

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (three years ago) link

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (three years ago) link

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (three years ago) link

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (three years ago) link

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (three years ago) link

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (three years ago) link

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (three years ago) link

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (three years ago) link

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (three years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (three years ago) link

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (three years ago) link

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (three years ago) link

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (three years ago) link

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (three years ago) link

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (three years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (three years ago) link

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (three years ago) link

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (three years ago) link

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (three years ago) link

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (three years ago) link

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (three years ago) link

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (three years ago) link

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (three years ago) link

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (three years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (three years ago) link

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (three years ago) link

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (three years ago) link

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (three years ago) link

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (three years ago) link

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (three years ago) link

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (three years ago) link

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (three years ago) link

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (three years ago) link

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (three years ago) link

I mean, say whatever you want, make up shit. Biden was and remains very popular and well-known among key democratic voting constituencies. Mayor Pete had no traction outside of specific Manhattan neighborhoods.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:13 (one week ago) link

Like, we get it, you don't like Biden, and you wish it was Bernie. Me too. But let's not confuse preference for reality.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:14 (one week ago) link

"Key Democratic voting constituencies" aren't the concern? Biden is not doing particularly well with Black voters or Latino voters, he's pretty much at Clinton 2016 numbers (or worse) in polling before Trump got the 'rona. Any Democrat's floor with Black voters is in the high 80s. Biden's gain has been with old people - who would not have switched without COVID - and rich white suburbanites. Who are... that "specific Manhattan neighborhood" kind of demographic you refer to.

It's ridiculous to pretend that Biden was some kind of all-conquering world beater - we all lived through the run up to the primaries and then the primaries themselves.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:18 (one week ago) link

Yes, I'm clearly just, uh, wishcasting for Bernie by arguing that Mayor Pete would have been a better candidate than Biden in a normal summer and fall.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:19 (one week ago) link

It's ridiculous to pretend that Biden was some kind of all-conquering world beater - we all lived through the run up to the primaries and then the primaries themselves.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 14, 2020 9:18 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Mayor Pete won zero primaries. Are you sure you actually remember them?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:24 (one week ago) link

sorry, one primary - Iowa

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:25 (one week ago) link

and that's arguable

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:25 (one week ago) link

Then finished second in New Hampshire, then was running competitively even in the south until Clyburn's endorsement and then Obama clearing the field.

Do you think post-1968 nominees are inherently the best option from the party each election?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:29 (one week ago) link

I think Biden is polling well above Trump right now so you're just not on the best footing to argue he was a poor choice. I think Bernie could hypothetically have done just as well. I don't understand the case for Mayor Pete other than just your own surmisings.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:31 (one week ago) link

We're not talking about right now, we're talking about a world without COVID. A world where Biden couldn't disappear from April until August, where he would have been traveling every day actually talking to people.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:34 (one week ago) link

Biden was and is highly popular due to his association with Obama and his being an affable old white dude, like it or not. No one except Bernie ever really got any traction against Biden. It's true that there came a time when the other candidates closed ranks around Biden and that did sort of screw Bernie. But Biden made a strong showing in primaries prior to that. Mayor Pete's supposed greater mental sharpness doesn't really make up for the fact that he is not well-liked and not well-known.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:36 (one week ago) link

Seriously, how well do you think "shoot 'em in the leg" plays with the most important of those "key Democratic voting constituencies" you referenced earlier, if his opponent wasn't so unabashedly evil?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:37 (one week ago) link

Biden isn't highly popular though - his positives have just started to break 50% (against unabashed evil). He's just not hated.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:38 (one week ago) link

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/joe_biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.html
these are old but up through June

somewhere else on RCP I saw the more recent numbers that are cresting 50% favorable

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:39 (one week ago) link

I'd also suggest that Tara Reade's account might have landed with more impact had it not come the same week most of the country locked down.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:45 (one week ago) link

mighta coulda. You can beat a dead horse all you want, but passive aggressive vote withholding is not going to move the democratic party a micrometer.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:52 (one week ago) link

Okay? (pssst, I voted for Biden at lunch today - in a state where I don't think he's going to win)

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:54 (one week ago) link

You seem to really want something to be mad at or a gotcha but as above, yes, the idea of leveraging votes has to be organized and demand concessions. No idea who you think is arguing otherwise.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:57 (one week ago) link

counterfactuals are unprovable, but I also think any of the primary candidates that are better at talking in full sentences than Biden would have done better than him, in that alternate timeline. I think a world where Biden's record and mental acuity were the focus of prolonged media scrutiny would be bad for him

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 October 2020 03:58 (one week ago) link

sorry, one primary - Iowa


Mayor Pete pulled in Iowa what the libs have been afraid Trump will pull election night if there’s not a landslide electoral victory for Biden.

and that’s why nOtHinG mATteRs

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:09 (one week ago) link

Dem voters would have lined up behind Pete (or Harris, or etc) just as they did with Biden, noses held or not, because Trump. Doesn't seem controversial to me.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:44 (one week ago) link

we're talking about a world without COVID

cool thought experiment bro

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:50 (one week ago) link

The party power brokers' eagerness to clear the field for a doddering centrist sex pest rather than cede ground to the left is actually pretty important to think about in terms of future left strategy, brad.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 05:28 (one week ago) link

Kind of weird to go "well you can't prove this!" or "cool thought experiment" this late into a discussion that started with milo saying Biden wouldn't be winning w/o covid and others disagreeing with that.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 15 October 2020 10:31 (one week ago) link

"Like what the fuck do you think is going to happen, 200,000 leftists in key swing states are going to spontaneously express their "discontent with the rightward drift of the party" by not voting or voting third party, Democrats will lose, and then four years from now they'll say "Man, we fucked up in 2020, we'd better nominate a socialist this time." I can't even begin to parse the cloudy thinking behind that idea."

This strategy, of organised abstention, could've been tried but the militancy isn't there at the moment. This organisation is not just for an election but it also flows at the workplace and at street-level too.

That should've been the strategy at this election and maybe every election until concessions are extracted.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:01 (one week ago) link

daniel welcome to the non-linear world of message board conversation

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:44 (one week ago) link

this whole convo started off as a non-sequitur in one of milo’s posts and is just a bunch of unprovable theorizing, which i guess qualifies this for a politics thread

i fucking hate joe biden’s guts but don’t think it’s necessarily guaranteed that he’d be losing to trump rn without covid but also we don’t live in that world and i hate this discussion

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:48 (one week ago) link

just feels less like strategizing and more like a way of shoring up superiority, the cool new bernie would’ve won

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:52 (one week ago) link

two ways forward for the left, form a worker's party or write choose yr own adventure books

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:55 (one week ago) link

or stock up on Campari.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:07 (one week ago) link

there's a reason Trump wanted to run against Bernie and not Biden. The "Commies are coming" campaign strategy is kind of laughable when deployed against Biden. Mayor Pete would have faced a strategy of "God is angry, our values are crumbling!" Biden's main weaknesses were all zeroed out because they applied to Trump as well--groping women, old, can't put sentences together.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:08 (one week ago) link

ah yes, noted master of 2020 campaign stratagems, Donald Trump

but seriously this is fuckin boring yall

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:24 (one week ago) link

yes, absolutely, split the left

Bnad, Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:30 (one week ago) link

The "Commies are coming" campaign strategy is kind of laughable when deployed against Biden.

Nonetheless, the campaign the GOP has run against Biden anyway.

Mayor Pete would have faced a strategy of "God is angry, our values are crumbling!"

Nonetheless, the campaign the GOP has run against Biden anyway.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:54 (one week ago) link

both of which are falling flat

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:55 (one week ago) link

Because the culture war arguments of 1970 don't really work in 2020. They were going to be deployed, and fail, regardless.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:56 (one week ago) link

Every republican and a sizable chunk of liberals are uncomfortable with socialism.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:43 (one week ago) link

Just as we can't pretend that there are no voters Bernie would have reached that Biden can't, we also can't pretend that there are no Biden voters that wouldn't have voted for Bernie. I don't know how to quantify which category is greater.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:46 (one week ago) link

lol i thought "oh funny there must be some left podcaster dude named tim robbins too -- oh wow like THE tim robbins"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:04 (one week ago) link

Not a single Bull Durham joke, disappointing.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:05 (one week ago) link

lol I had the same thought re Tim Robbins (in fact I thought "Oh wait, is that one of those repeat past guests?" probably conflating Tim Faust and some other guy in my mind)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:22 (one week ago) link

could not get through the Tim Robbins intvw tbh

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:54 (one week ago) link

Haven't listened yet but I imagine him to be one of those guests who kind of doesn't *get* the podcast and acts like he's on Terry Gross

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:10 (one week ago) link

yeah not far off

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:13 (one week ago) link

he knows he's with leftists, and laughs at some of the jokes, but his tone doesn't match the show as much as some other actors who have appeared

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:16 (one week ago) link

The way he describes this Bobbo thing is the sort of deal they’d make fun of any other time, but it’s not very awkward except when he doesn’t believe their appreciation of “Mission to Mars.”

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:16 (one week ago) link

for half a sec I thought it was the I Think You Should Leave guy and was pretty excited

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:33 (one week ago) link

Da Bears

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:07 (six days ago) link

book looks fun & interesting. I remember in the earlier internet days, chained to my desk and being amused and curious about this nascent NH “free state project”. Luckily I was safely past my college libertarian phase and it didn’t go beyond point and lol

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:27 (six days ago) link

Matt’s Trump impression actually manages to get even worse over time. Someone please ban it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 17 October 2020 21:28 (six days ago) link


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