Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (two years ago) Permalink

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (two years ago) Permalink

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (two years ago) Permalink

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (two years ago) Permalink

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (two years ago) Permalink

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (two years ago) Permalink

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (two years ago) Permalink

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (two years ago) Permalink

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (two years ago) Permalink

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (two years ago) Permalink

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (two years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (two years ago) Permalink

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (two years ago) Permalink

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (two years ago) Permalink

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (two years ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (two years ago) Permalink

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (two years ago) Permalink

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (two years ago) Permalink

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (two years ago) Permalink

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (two years ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (two years ago) Permalink

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (two years ago) Permalink

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (two years ago) Permalink

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (two years ago) Permalink

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (two years ago) Permalink

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (two years ago) Permalink

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (two years ago) Permalink

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (two years ago) Permalink

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (two years ago) Permalink

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (two years ago) Permalink

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (two years ago) Permalink

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (two years ago) Permalink

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (two years ago) Permalink

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (two years ago) Permalink

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (two years ago) Permalink

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (two years ago) Permalink

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't care about his taste in movies. what's the Trump nonsense and Stalin trolling

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 April 2019 22:23 (one month ago) Permalink

and yea obv writing about a movie you haven't seen is journalistic malpractice, but in what universe is he like JP

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 April 2019 22:24 (one month ago) Permalink

the only Stalin trolling I'm aware of is his keeping a portrait of him in his apartment to be edgy

Simon H., Saturday, 20 April 2019 22:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Pretty terrible on open borders, Islam and the Roma. Flirts with pretty unseemly ideas just because it'll own the libs - think he even wrote an article against punching nazis just because he saw majority opinion went the other way.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 21 April 2019 16:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Zizek said he would vote for Trump in 2016, because Clinton was 'the true danger'. His stalinist trolling is stuff like in his book on violence, where he makes fun of Russian émigrés who didn't think they had did anything wrong, which is ok, but then in a footnote underlines that he agrees with anything that happened to them, which is a bit much. I read a lot of his books back when I was younger, but a lot of them are collections of the same anecdotes. That fucking wheel-barrow, I get it. But when he gets a good idea, like the contrast between 'passive' and 'active' violence in On Violence, or his focus on why Kieslowski wanted to get away from documentary realism in The Fright of Real Tears, he is very good. And then the next ten pages will be that wheel-barrow anecdote all over again.

Frederik B, Sunday, 21 April 2019 18:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh, lol, no, forgot, the reason I read so much Zizek was because I took a course called 'The Hysterics Guide to Pixar', where we mostly read Zizek's explanations of Lacan - because, believe it or not, they are more coherently written... - and then saw a new Pixar film each week. You'll never get what the rat symbolizes in Ratatouille.

Frederik B, Sunday, 21 April 2019 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Virigl's intro to the latest was hilarious.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:39 (one month ago) Permalink

imagine spending your entire career claiming chaos is feminine and then meeting slavoj zizek

— sarah jeong (@sarahjeong) April 21, 2019

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 07:48 (one month ago) Permalink

If you can’t see the scam these centrist Warren boosters are running you’re a farm-fresh rube and I’ve got some prime Florida swampland to sell you. https://t.co/gZLWkU9UgL

— Matt Christman (@cushbomb) April 23, 2019

his dumbness is boundless

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 07:36 (one month ago) Permalink

also Bernie.. did answer it?

What Democratic socialism means to me is we expand Medicare, we provide educational opportunity to all Americans, we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. In other words, the government serves the needs of all people rather than just wealthy campaign contributors. That’s what it means to me

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, nobody in their right mind could think a woman is smarter than St Bernie. Must be a scam.

Also, come on, Ezra is right. He went directly to the talking points:

I happen to believe that in the United States there is something fundamentally wrong when we have three families owning more wealth than the bottom half of American society, 160 million people. Something wrong when the top 1 percent owns more wealth than the bottom 92 percent. Something very wrong when 49 percent of all new income today is going to the top 1 percent.

And something is equally wrong when we have a corrupt political system made even worse by this disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision which allows billionaires to spend unlimited sums of money to elect candidates who represent the wealthy and the powerful.

So answer number one, to your question. This is a radical idea. Maybe not everybody agrees. But I happen to believe we should have a government that represents working families and not just the 1 percent and powerful corporations. All right? That's point number one.

Etc.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:07 (one month ago) Permalink

And, btw, that is why he will win easily over Trump, I think.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Bernie is Trump's kryptonite, his messaging is concise and effective, and his consistency a strength too. He's good at keeping the focus where he wants it (as we've seen, forcing even establishment democrats to pay lip service to his platform). He's entirely predictable, and thats a strength

anvil, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, in an election context, that's a strength.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 08:40 (one month ago) Permalink

ennhhh I'm sure Matt is right that there's a class of canny centrists who are happy to have Warren around not for the policies she supports (which they abhor or don't care about) but as a policy-wonk cudgel to beat Bernie with / divide the left flank. whether Ezra is one of those or not would require a knowledge of Ezra's inner life I don't care to have.

also Bernie's answer was fine/typically on-message but the question was another lame gotcha variant on "Venezuela!!" in that a serious, thorough answer would require a significantly longer discussion the asker is never, ever interested in actually having

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 11:31 (one month ago) Permalink

ennhhh but I'm also sure there's a class of sexist leftists who just can't stand the idea of a woman being better at policy than a man. whether Matt is one of those or not would require a knowledge of Matt's inner life I don't care to have. And also arguments like these are useless.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 11:40 (one month ago) Permalink

AFAICT the Chapos (except Amber, lol) don't have anything against Warren. they certainly haven't spent 20+ minutes tearing apart her record like they have w. Biden, Harris, Beto, Klobuchar, etc

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 11:44 (one month ago) Permalink

I think that tweet is dumb but Will said on the show there's Bernie...Warren, a grand canyon sized gap and everyone else

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 12:02 (one month ago) Permalink

also I was *sure* the Harvard Centrists Society was a joke left twitter came up with but apparently not

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:14 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm also sure there's a class of sexist leftists who just can't stand the idea of a woman being better at policy than a man.

yes, they do the "Red Scare" pod if you wanna check it out

goole, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:56 (one month ago) Permalink

yup

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Matt also looked askance at this one

Yes! @ewarren has been setting the pace for serious progressive proposals. Everyone else is either following or insisting on things that have no chance of actually happening (cough Sanders cough). https://t.co/v8dEUd0YcA

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) April 24, 2019

again, liking Warren better than Sanders is a more than defensible position, but I don't get Krugman's line here at all, especially in the absence of the mass movement EW has yet to build. her proposals are just as (in some cases more!) radical; those who oppose her reforms won't care how reasoned-out they are

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:48 (one month ago) Permalink

"Warren has been more serious about policy" is a reasonable (and I think broadly correct) take; "Warren is proposing things we can actually do vs. Sanders' cRaZy talk!" isn't

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Well, at least some of it can be done by executive orders, but yeah, stuff like the numbers in Warrens free college plan adding up a bit better than in Sanders doesn't mean any of it will happen.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:53 (one month ago) Permalink

the delusion is that, as Simon says, pundits want to act like the GOP isn't some warped white power death cult bent on destroying the social safety net

they opposed Obama's lukewarm remix of Mitt Romney's healthcare plan like it was literally imposing Soviet rule, it's not like presenting facts and figures matters to them

I think Warren is doing an excellent job and she's my number one by far

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Amber screenshotted a diatribe from Red Scare Anna for Instagram stories this week and it was like a half step off of Jordan Peterson in assessing relationships between men and women. The continued existence of Red Scare confuses me.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 17:44 (one month ago) Permalink

when contrarianism and lib-dunking goes wrong, basically

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

some economist at harvard policy school tweeted his ranked list of candidates and had Liz at number 1 and Bernie at 8 (lowest), when i said ‘your #8 is most similar to your #1 on policy, thought that would be a more salient dimension to you’ he replied ‘I find Warren more thoughtful about most policy issues, agree with her more on the balance between regulation and free markets, and think her record of accomplishments is more compelling (CFPB, for example). Also, less cagey about tax returns.’

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Liz is my #1 and Bernie is my #8 too. A lot of it is about demeanor, disposition, and intelligence.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:46 (one month ago) Permalink

they’re my 1 and 2, i switch day to day

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:53 (one month ago) Permalink

i do think he has a great chance of winning the general

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:53 (one month ago) Permalink

it’s interesting and valid for non policy dimensions to matter, just funny when even ppl who are purportedly all about policy (Klein, a prof in a policy school) put effectively zero weight on it.

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Was the tax returns jab from before he released them? Seems odd otherwise

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

week of

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 22:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Simon, did you see this one?
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/14/centrist-society/


“In the (political) climate today,” she says, “everything is so polarized, and it just feels so personal and emotional that it can be very hard to have a rational argument. It’s very hard to beat someone’s emotional argument with rational facts”

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 26 April 2019 03:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Also, JFC the tax returns thing was so fucking stupid

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 26 April 2019 03:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Harvard Future Middle-Aged Republicans Society

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 26 April 2019 03:50 (one month ago) Permalink

of course

I love the Red Scare podcast and the ladies who make it. My primary motivation to go to NYC next time is finally being on this show. It's hilarious, insightful, independent-minded, and scornful of those who deserve it https://t.co/mOjrMMGYcg

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 28, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

ooof

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:23 (four weeks ago) Permalink

their collective fascination with Marianne Williamson is hilarious but also sort of adorable

Simon H., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i doubt ill ever go to a live podcast event but if i were in glasgow in june i might be tempted to catch chapo on their uk tour just because it seems incongruous

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'd never pay to see chapo but I'd def see Street Fight, who've said they're going to come through at some point

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i mean i don't even listen to the podcast anymore so maybe i wouldn't i guess lol

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oran mor. shiter venue

can't fathom how unbearable they'd be live. bad enough recorded

... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 20:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i don't think i've ever heard a good live podcast, live shows are almost always worse

gbx, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 21:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Marianne is going to be appearing at a store near me that sells healing crystals

mh, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 22:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

“Don’t use your phone at all unless you really have to post something” pic.twitter.com/MiaaRhpP2m

— David Klion🔥 (@DavidKlion) May 1, 2019

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 2 May 2019 00:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Marianne just qualified for the debates, which I am choosing to attribute to the Chapo Bump.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

apparently no one remembers Sigourney Weaver (and Paul Rudnick) parodying Marianne Williamson in 1995

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6WsyWRXY18

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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