Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (one year ago) Permalink

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (one year ago) Permalink

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (one year ago) Permalink

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (one year ago) Permalink

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (one year ago) Permalink

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (one year ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (one year ago) Permalink

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (one year ago) Permalink

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (one year ago) Permalink

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (one year ago) Permalink

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (one year ago) Permalink

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (one year ago) Permalink

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (one year ago) Permalink

"collusion truthers"

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:02 (four days ago) Permalink

Russia is a futuristic public infrastructure dreamland. Afaict all cars have automated GOPRO to memorialize the sundry pleasures of driving there.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:08 (four days ago) Permalink

Russia hacked the DNC so Trump would give us maternity leave

— Quinoa🖕Appropriator (@MattAlwaysWrong) July 18, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:41 (four days ago) Permalink

they have bullet trains in moscow?

Yes, they do (Sapsan). You can do Moscow to St Petersburg in four hours at 290 km/h. I suspect she’s at least partly trolling though.

fwiw, I disagree with the characterisation of her as a potential paleo-conservative. Personal unpleasantness aside, her scepticism of liberal feminism, mild streak of cultural essentialism, etc, etc, are not very uncommon on the left in Europe, particularly in the FSU. She basically sounds like a lot of Russian liberals rather than an iconoclast.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:40 (four days ago) Permalink

Having followed from afar the illnesses and deaths of two of my in-laws in Russia over the past few years, I can attest that a health care system based around idea "fuck you. Go find somewhere to die" is probably less bloated and expensive than ours.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:53 (four days ago) Permalink

wow, I hadn't read her twitter feed in a long time, it's actually much shittier and less smart than I remembered

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:46 (four days ago) Permalink

Xp, yes I don’t think anyone in good faith could support a system where surgeons earn $6000 a year and healthcare is ‘free’ only in the sense that the cash you pay them to bribe your way into treatment is not on any official books.

But again, she doesn’t seem particularly interested in how anywhere other than a small portion of the US works in practice.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:36 (four days ago) Permalink

a note on the book just posted on their Patreon:

Have You Considered Buying the Book?

Hi everyone,
Greetings and semper games. As you may have heard, we have a book coming out. While a lot of people have already sprung for a pre-order, we wanted to touch base with you, the subscribers who fund Chapo, seeing as we still don’t take money from advertisers like WonderWear, the antimicrobial one-piece pajamas with the special moisture wicking ass-flap, or MealMe, the company that will send you all the ingredients for a healthy meal and a disposable chef to cook it for you.

We are genuinely excited about the book. Its rallying cry is that weak willed, compromise-humping liberalism cannot resist fascism, i.e. the current collection of brain-melted psychopaths we call the Republican Party. It’s an unrelenting indictment of the so-called #Resistance, the Democrats, and (for all you tankies out there) the social-democratic half measure of American progressivism. The book is, if you like, a prequel to the show — it lays out the backstory of the people, events, and history that have led us to this particular Verhoeven-esque moment in American history. It is Chapo: Origins. Above all, we really had fun writing it, and we truly hope you will have the same experience reading it.

For us, selling our book is not about money. Sure, if sales go astronomical, it’s possible the publisher and the show will make something back. But far more important to us is the pure spectacle the book will ignite if we manage to get in that Bestseller VIP Section, easily done if each one of you pre-ordered a copy before Aug 21. You know what that would mean....

It would mean we could force the smug gatekeepers of conventional wisdom to take socialism seriously; it would mean we could force the worst people in the world to read us owning them — and have them write about it. It would mean we could knock fucking Hillbilly Elegy or 12 Rules for Dating My Wife off the list. It would mean we could reach people like your lib parent who still has faith in Chuck Schumer, or your apolitical coworker who doesn’t yet hate his boss enough.

Imagine David Brooks having to engage with NoFap as political praxis. Imagine Ezra Klein and Matty Yglesias having to Voxplain their long-forgotten support for the Iraq War. Imagine the National Review having to prove that William F. Buckley didn’t officially die in 1977, only to continue to his abominable "un-life" jacking off in coffins and haunting America for thirty more years of op-eds.

Perhaps more than anything, imagine sending a message — through your favorite large failchildren— to the lib, centrist, establishment pundit class: Get out of the way. We’re done with you. You say say we can’t violate the norms, or have socialized healthcare and a planned economy? We say fuck off. We want socialism, the return of the vastly-underrated TV show Becker, and the abolition of ICE. And we’ll do it ourselves if we have to.

This is what we want from the book release. If you want it too, please join us in the greatest Duck Hunt yet. Buy the book (and preferably not from Jeff Bezor at Amazon).

H.A.G.S.,

Chapo

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:48 (four days ago) Permalink

the return of the vastly-underrated TV show Becker,

Virgil wrote this bit, I bet $1000

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Permalink

#libtears

Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Permalink

I think the world would be a slightly better place if they had never written the book

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:58 (four days ago) Permalink

one for the book jacket

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:59 (four days ago) Permalink

Virgil wrote this bit, I bet $1000


i challenge anyone to read ‘semper games’ without hearing virgil’s voice in their heads

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:00 (four days ago) Permalink

I think the world would be a slightly better place if they had never written the book

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive)

I'm looking forward to it now! I like that it'll give more background on the hosts.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:03 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't think you're gonna get that - I'm expecting more Christman-style US historical context, not personal biography.

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:20 (four days ago) Permalink

‘We’re not doing this to make money’ - oh fuck off

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:22 (four days ago) Permalink

You don't believe they did it to make Chuck Schumer cry?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:34 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't think you're gonna get that - I'm expecting more Christman-style US historical context, not personal biography.

― Simon H., Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:20 PM

"The book is, if you like, a prequel to the show — it lays out the backstory of the people, events, and history that have led us to this particular Verhoeven-esque moment in American history. It is Chapo: Origins. Above all, we really had fun writing it, and we truly hope you will have the same experience reading it."

close enough

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:39 (four days ago) Permalink

"we didn't do it for $$$" is def disingenuous but I would be surprised if the book is anywhere near as lucrative as touring or (strictly in their case) podcasting, esp as profits are split many more ways (not just the publisher but also the illustrators - Eli Valley etc)

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:39 (four days ago) Permalink

‘We’re not doing this to make money’ - oh fuck off

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:22 PM

i too took every word of their statement at face value

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:40 (four days ago) Permalink

Since they've proposed buying the book to own the cons over and over I don't think it's quite as irony drenched as you want to think.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:16 (four days ago) Permalink

ehh, some fascist sheriff will probably release a book the same week and stay at #1 the rest of the summer

President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:18 (four days ago) Permalink

Sure, if sales go astronomical, it’s possible the publisher and the show will make something back.

umm unless they took a monster advance, it will be pretty easy for both the publisher & the show to make something back on this.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:46 (four days ago) Permalink

Since they've proposed buying the book to own the cons over and over I don't think it's quite as irony drenched as you want to think.


I didn’t say they were doing it just for money, but why not have both?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:22 (four days ago) Permalink

Tim Faust called into our podcast ep on Medicare for All. He really _is_ that great.

https://soundcloud.com/givingthemic/organizing-for-medicare-for-allwith-riley-brann-and-tim-faust

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:31 (three days ago) Permalink

tiiiiiiiiiiim

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:04 (three days ago) Permalink

He’s speaking in Eugene tonight and Portland tomorrow night

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:57 (three days ago) Permalink

Really kind of burnt out on these guys. I keep listening because i haven’t found my next fix but often don’t finish episodes. They served a much more important and cathartic function for me before Trump won.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 00:53 (two days ago) Permalink

I have been enjoying the show more since I stopped giving them money lol

I've tried out probably two dozen other lefty podcasts that have spawned in its wake and tbh none of them are as reliably entertaining to me. The closest is probably either Champagne Sharks or Struggle Session. (I will be listening to yours tho kingfish!) People who haven't ttried 'casting may not get that doing it well and consistently is actually not that easy!

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:04 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm getting more into Street Fight lately. Finding it easier to connect with flyover dirtbag dads than NY media people.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:07 (two days ago) Permalink

Street Fight is great and the clear grandaddy for this whole phenomenon, I just can't keep up with their output!

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:12 (two days ago) Permalink

I’ve been liking the recent Dig eps. I like hearing about strategy and policy and not just theory although that’s important too.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:22 (two days ago) Permalink

The Dig is nice to dip into every once in a while, it's just a tad too NPR Left for me

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:51 (two days ago) Permalink

I've been obsessing over tone, form and stuff because I'm recording the trial ep of a pod about the intersection of tech + politics in a few weeks with some v smart friends of mine and I would really like it to not suck lol

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:58 (two days ago) Permalink

yet another ep where they talk over women way too much, first Will interrupting Karina Moreno with flat out wrong information (and Brendan at least interrupting her with someone informed thoughts), followed by Matt not shutting the fuck up with his unfunny generic english guy impression so we can hear Amber's account of what actually sounds like an interesting trip, at which point I just turned it off

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:01 (two days ago) Permalink

i liked ashley feinberg on it a lot, but they really didn't sell her jokes

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:13 (two days ago) Permalink

I feel like they constantly talk over each other in general and it stands out more with women because there are fewer of them, but tbh as a producer crosstalk quietly infuriates me so maybe I'm just not picking up on the gendered aspect amidst my generalized annoyance

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:17 (two days ago) Permalink

lmao at Felix's line about Trump having "minotaur dysphoria"

flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:43 (two days ago) Permalink

"just try and get out of my maze"

flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:43 (two days ago) Permalink

Tiger Mom being a guide to furry parenting was a good oen

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:44 (two days ago) Permalink

lol yes

flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:45 (two days ago) Permalink

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BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:03 (two days ago) Permalink

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BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:04 (two days ago) Permalink

I feel like they constantly talk over each other in general and it stands out more with women because there are fewer of them, but tbh as a producer crosstalk quietly infuriates me so maybe I'm just not picking up on the gendered aspect amidst my generalized annoyance

― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, July 20, 2018 12:17 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's def part of it. It's also more generally annoying when Matt and Felix can't tone it down and let the conversation flow because they have to just keep interjecting with their schtick.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:42 (two days ago) Permalink

Felix has gotten better while Will and Matt have gotten worse about that.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 20 July 2018 20:26 (two days ago) Permalink

They need to bring back the talking stick(vhs box of Police Academy)

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 20 July 2018 23:50 (two days ago) Permalink

xp You're right, I haven't thought about that until now but wow it's a lot different than a year ago.

flappy bird, Saturday, 21 July 2018 04:57 (yesterday) Permalink

lmao the talking stick does need to come back

flappy bird, Saturday, 21 July 2018 04:57 (yesterday) Permalink

They're gonna need an entire other book just to decompress from Ozyfest

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— Matt Christman (@cushbomb) July 21, 2018

Also, Boots said he's going on.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 19:47 (yesterday) Permalink

I love Boots so much I'm kind of dreading that tbh. They'll need a taser to keep Felix from taking about Soundcloud rappers.

louise ck (milo z), Sunday, 22 July 2018 00:10 (twelve hours ago) Permalink


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